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Reiss wonders if Diggs will replace Douglas in the slot
They’re going to need to find another boundary option at WR if that’s going to work. Boutte and Hollins aren’t going to cut it as more than rotational options there, and Polk and Baker haven’t shown enough to be depended on either. It was easily for Diggs to move around between slot and boundary with the Texans because they had Collins and Dell. No such talent there with the Patriots as of now apart from Diggs himself.

Matt Harmon of Reception Perception did his yearly charting of Diggs. Said he doesn’t win deep anymore but can still play outside (and the slot). Since your best receiver in the role he is playing now is Demario Douglas (he’s not your best receiver but he’s the best in his role on the team, i.e., he’s better in the slot than Boutte or Bourne are out wide), it would probably behoove the Patriots to move Diggs out wide while acknowledging his limitations in the deep passing game.

I don't think Pop is a fit for the slot in a McDaniel's offense...those guys take some pretty good hits and Pop just isn't built for that.

Oh, I didn’t know that. Yep, he’s not built to block or take big hits. His helmet looks so big in proportion to his body that I often think he’s going to tip over.
 
Reiss wonders if Diggs will replace Douglas in the slot
They’re going to need to find another boundary option at WR if that’s going to work. Boutte and Hollins aren’t going to cut it as more than rotational options there, and Polk and Baker haven’t shown enough to be depended on either. It was easily for Diggs to move around between slot and boundary with the Texans because they had Collins and Dell. No such talent there with the Patriots as of now apart from Diggs himself.

Matt Harmon of Reception Perception did his yearly charting of Diggs. Said he doesn’t win deep anymore but can still play outside (and the slot). Since your best receiver in the role he is playing now is Demario Douglas (he’s not your best receiver but he’s the best in his role on the team, i.e., he’s better in the slot than Boutte or Bourne are out wide), it would probably behoove the Patriots to move Diggs out wide while acknowledging his limitations in the deep passing game.
The Titans had speedy lil bugger Kendall Wright catch like 90-95 passes from the slot but defenses were letting him. Vrabel even told a story of Belichick allowing the passes to Wright.
Since then, the Titans had peculiarly little production from the slot and- aside from Delanie playing underrated great and Smith with a good year or two- their TE play hasn't been much either.
They spent and drafted but no one really did anything. Humphries was the biggest bust in some time as the highest paid free agent WR wound up with like 12 catches in the slot.

Henry demands eight in the box.
Arthur put two TEs and pounded the rock of shifted to take advantage of matchups outside. LaFleur and everyone else really failed miserably at working up a way to take advantage of eight in the box.

Vrabel flat out gushes about how valuable Henry is and carries on about the rest he provides to the defense and he makes the linemen have the right mindset and... I'm not sure he doesn't want Jeanty. If everything is better (in Vrabel's mind) with a top back then there's gotta be some consideration to it.

I think McDaniels using two TE and the slot is a perfect mesh of what Vrabel's offenses couldn't do. Everything above was McDaniels' forte.

They gotta merge it somehow.

There were definitely series that the offense mailed it in and Vrabel makes little hand signs or gestures like keep doing it so we know the D was gassed and he doesn't care about offensive success this series; he needs them to rest up and get rehydrated.

I know the Pats are projected to take just about every back and Stevenson is either fine or a fumbler and...
I just strongly wonder how much Vrabel is saying he NEEDS his back.

Dillon and Glenn? I'm a little fuzzy but..in here is some Patriots history that Vrabel and McDaniel can talk about and incorporate. Diggs could maybe do a Terry Glenn role. They haven't had a lot of 8 men in box type backs but they've had backs get hot plenty of times. How did McDaniels use that?

I've got Ocho and Moss deep in my head. That's not Diggs.
Troy Brown?

Vrabel is definitely a defensive guy talking about offense when he does. "We just got it into AJBs hands and let him do the rest" comments on blocks and "gotta catch that" or "gotta see the defender there" during an INT.

I think Vrabel wants his back and y'all can say McDaniels will play off the RBs success by doing....whatever you think. I think you guys know this one from history

(Somewhere in here is the oddness that he wanted Downing over Welker as the WR coach too)
 
Agree or disagree: if Travis Hunter is available at 4 and NE doesn't take him, there will be an uproar from the fan base.

Some schmoe wrote this today, and it made me curious what others think. I can see SOME fans not liking the choice but I will not be happy taking Hunter over OT or EDGE or even trading down.

Imagine Hunter becomes the next Troy Brown or even better....who cares? There are bigger structural opportunities that chasing the shiny object. (imho).
 
Agree or disagree: if Travis Hunter is available at 4 and NE doesn't take him, there will be an uproar from the fan base.

Some schmoe wrote this today, and it made me curious what others think. I can see SOME fans not liking the choice but I will not be happy taking Hunter over OT or EDGE or even trading down.

Imagine Hunter becomes the next Troy Brown or even better....who cares? There are bigger structural opportunities that chasing the shiny object. (imho).
There will be outrage. Pandemonium in the streets. Cars overturned. Chaos will ensue.

There isn't an offensive lineman worth the 4th overall pick in this draft. IMO, the only other player worth drafting there would be Abdul Carter. If the draft goes QB-QB-Carter, then Hunter is clearly the play. There isn't another defender rated high enough to take there either.

You are undervaluing Hunter, as he has double the chances of working out . . . he can either be a WR or a CB (most players only have one position). He has an elite skill set, and the other guys available at 4 don't have the upside or the floor that Hunter has. You may not like him there, but the draft gurus love him.

IMO, the worst-case scenario is the draft goes QB-Hunter-Carter. Then NE is in a quandary. They would be best served to trade down if they could get a decent return, but in a draft like this one, they may not find a team willing to give up much to move up. There are probably 6 players with evaluation scores to be serious considerations as Top 5-6 picks. Unfortunately, 2 of them are TEs and the other is a RB. Maybe they can find a team willing to take Sanders (they probably shouldn't).

They can draft OL help later. The guys available in other rounds won't be a ton different than who they could pick at 4. They need a PK too . . . doesn't mean they have to take the first one off the board and earlier than he deserves to go.
 
What would the cowboys need to trade Micah Parsons?

No, I’m serious. With Jerry Jones making disrespectful statements to the media, maybe they decide to just trade him if the relationship between player and organization is souring.
 
Maybe they just take Jeanty in that case
I'm starting to warm up this idea.

Just watched a segment on Underdog Network review Jeanty. Comps include a denser N. Chubb who can catch passes and early Zeke. The stat that amazes me is the yards he gained after contact. He is just tough to bring down. If you watch the film, guys just bounce off this guy and if he then reaches the 2nd level...he's gone.

I mean...how much better is W. Campbell vs. the OTs you can get late first round early 2nd? If they believe in a couple guys later and can trade back into the late first round to satisfy the LT need it could make sense.

I'd rather them take Jeanty vs. reach for Campbell at 4.

And you know Vrabel wants to run the damn ball.

If they can figure out LT...man...pairing D. Maye with Jeanty for the next few years could be damn good.
 
If Ward, Carter and Hunter go top 3, I think Sanders presents great trade op. Trade down get a player of similar value to what would be there at 4 anyway.
 
If Ward, Carter and Hunter go top 3, I think Sanders presents great trade op. Trade down get a player of similar value to what would be there at 4 anyway.

If that opportunity arises I think they would be very happy...the more I listen to Vrabel (and see this offseason) the more I think they are leaning Campbell and locking up the LT position and bringing in another leader...while I have zero issues going with Hunter (and a Jeanty or Warren would be exciting) the left side of the line has a chance to derail the season and that is without injuries...I just don't see Vrabel not addressing this with a substantial upgrade and unless they like Banks or Membou there Campbell appears to be the best option.
 
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If Ward, Carter and Hunter go top 3, I think Sanders presents great trade op. Trade down get a player of similar value to what would be there at 4 anyway.

If that opportunity arises I think they would be very happy...the more I listen to Vrabel (and see this offseason) the more I think they are leaning Campbell and locking up the LT position and bringing in another leader...while I have zero issues going with Hunter (and a Jeanty or Warren would be exciting) the left side of the line has a chance to derail the season and that is without injuries...I just don't see Vrabel not addressing this with a substantial upgrade and unless they like Banks or Membou there Campbell appears to be the best option.

I agree...and maybe would go Membou....but is this a case where we have Oline PTSD coloring our perspective?

If so and if Carter is not there...and I don't think he will be...I'll be hoping for a trade down scenario.

I've watched Hunter tape and the only elite skill I see is ball hawking. I remember when folks flipped out when Asante Samuel left town...I'm fine with the secondary we've got now compared to oline and pass rush, and I think a WR in the 2nd and 4th is fine.

Prefs:
1. Carter
2. Trade Down
3. Membou / Campbell
4. Hunter
5. Vrabel's favorite LB
6. (not cool) other WR/TE/RB
 
If Ward, Carter and Hunter go top 3, I think Sanders presents great trade op. Trade down get a player of similar value to what would be there at 4 anyway.

If that opportunity arises I think they would be very happy...the more I listen to Vrabel (and see this offseason) the more I think they are leaning Campbell and locking up the LT position and bringing in another leader...while I have zero issues going with Hunter (and a Jeanty or Warren would be exciting) the left side of the line has a chance to derail the season and that is without injuries...I just don't see Vrabel not addressing this with a substantial upgrade and unless they like Banks or Membou there Campbell appears to be the best option.

I agree...and maybe would go Membou....but is this a case where we have Oline PTSD coloring our perspective?

If so and if Carter is not there...and I don't think he will be...I'll be hoping for a trade down scenario.

I've watched Hunter tape and the only elite skill I see is ball hawking. I remember when folks flipped out when Asante Samuel left town...I'm fine with the secondary we've got now compared to oline and pass rush, and I think a WR in the 2nd and 4th is fine.

Prefs:
1. Carter
2. Trade Down
3. Membou / Campbell
4. Hunter
5. Vrabel's favorite LB
6. (not cool) other WR/TE/RB

I don't see how we can't have Oline PTSD after watching the line the past few years and looking at the current depth chart...as I have said ad nauseum the most important thing for the Pats is Maye's development...if he turns into what I believe he will be future is very bright...while there is zero doubt he needs more weapons that left-side of the line has a chance to have a very negative impact on both Maye and the overall team this season.
 
I think a WR in the 2nd and 4th is fine.
Do you actually think they could find someone at WR in those rounds? To recap, the scouting department and draft decision-makers (many of which are still there) that were responsible for selecting N'Keal Harry, Tyquan Thornton, Kayshon Boute, Demario Douglas, Ja'Lynn Polk, and Javon Baker are going to find someone for once? This draft is said to be weak in terms of WR talent.

I know NE needs a LT, but just taking one early doesn't automatically mean that guy will work out. Their recent OL picks have been almost as bad as their WR picks. A lot of the best tackles in recent years were drafted in the second half of Round 1 or early in Round 2. Unfortunately, the guys NE have taken in that range haven't worked out (Strange, Wynn) and guys they've taken in Rounds 3 and 4 haven't done much (Wallace, Cajuste, Garcia).

I also tend to disagree with the take that taking a LT at 4 is a no brainer, 10-year starter at the position. In this era, OL guys coming off their first contract will demand insane amounts of money for a second contract. The one thing we should have learned over the past decade plus is NE doesn't want to pay out big money to offensive lineman, and the only one they re-upped was Owenu (and they may already regret doing that). The point being, there is nothing to suggest they would want to give a starting LT a 5 year/$125+ million extension. The only thing they would be assured of would be having that player for a minimum of 4 years.
 
I think a WR in the 2nd and 4th is fine.
Do you actually think they could find someone at WR in those rounds? To recap, the scouting department and draft decision-makers (many of which are still there) that were responsible for selecting N'Keal Harry, Tyquan Thornton, Kayshon Boute, Demario Douglas, Ja'Lynn Polk, and Javon Baker are going to find someone for once? This draft is said to be weak in terms of WR talent.

I know NE needs a LT, but just taking one early doesn't automatically mean that guy will work out. Their recent OL picks have been almost as bad as their WR picks. A lot of the best tackles in recent years were drafted in the second half of Round 1 or early in Round 2. Unfortunately, the guys NE have taken in that range haven't worked out (Strange, Wynn) and guys they've taken in Rounds 3 and 4 haven't done much (Wallace, Cajuste, Garcia).

I also tend to disagree with the take that taking a LT at 4 is a no brainer, 10-year starter at the position. In this era, OL guys coming off their first contract will demand insane amounts of money for a second contract. The one thing we should have learned over the past decade plus is NE doesn't want to pay out big money to offensive lineman, and the only one they re-upped was Owenu (and they may already regret doing that). The point being, there is nothing to suggest they would want to give a starting LT a 5 year/$125+ million extension. The only thing they would be assured of would be having that player for a minimum of 4 years.

Not to be a pain but you have been very critical on pretty much every option they have...since this is not a "lay-up" draft with an easy pick what do you want to see happen?
 
I think a WR in the 2nd and 4th is fine.
Do you actually think they could find someone at WR in those rounds? To recap, the scouting department and draft decision-makers (many of which are still there) that were responsible for selecting N'Keal Harry, Tyquan Thornton, Kayshon Boute, Demario Douglas, Ja'Lynn Polk, and Javon Baker are going to find someone for once? This draft is said to be weak in terms of WR talent.

I know NE needs a LT, but just taking one early doesn't automatically mean that guy will work out. Their recent OL picks have been almost as bad as their WR picks. A lot of the best tackles in recent years were drafted in the second half of Round 1 or early in Round 2. Unfortunately, the guys NE have taken in that range haven't worked out (Strange, Wynn) and guys they've taken in Rounds 3 and 4 haven't done much (Wallace, Cajuste, Garcia).

I also tend to disagree with the take that taking a LT at 4 is a no brainer, 10-year starter at the position. In this era, OL guys coming off their first contract will demand insane amounts of money for a second contract. The one thing we should have learned over the past decade plus is NE doesn't want to pay out big money to offensive lineman, and the only one they re-upped was Owenu (and they may already regret doing that). The point being, there is nothing to suggest they would want to give a starting LT a 5 year/$125+ million extension. The only thing they would be assured of would be having that player for a minimum of 4 years.

Also, Mike Vrabel is running the show...what happened under BB does not matter anymore...I think you need to allow him some space and stop using past history he was not involved with dictate what they are going to do.
 
This is the same info that's been out there for awhile. If anything, they may move Milton just to get him off the roster. I still don't think he will be involved in a standalone trade for a Top 100 pick. Put another way, if Milton feels like he is there against his will, they may just take whatever they can get for him to avoid having a disgruntled player in the locker room. As for teams waiting until after the draft, that seems like an odd time to move him. All the other teams would have filled their holes through free agency and the draft. That would seem to be a bad time to find a home for Milton, as other teams would likely be looking at him as a backup only. I still think his trade value is around a pick in the 175-200 range . . . and that starts going in the wrong direction after the draft.
 
I think a WR in the 2nd and 4th is fine.
Do you actually think they could find someone at WR in those rounds? To recap, the scouting department and draft decision-makers (many of which are still there) that were responsible for selecting N'Keal Harry, Tyquan Thornton, Kayshon Boute, Demario Douglas, Ja'Lynn Polk, and Javon Baker are going to find someone for once? This draft is said to be weak in terms of WR talent.

I know NE needs a LT, but just taking one early doesn't automatically mean that guy will work out. Their recent OL picks have been almost as bad as their WR picks. A lot of the best tackles in recent years were drafted in the second half of Round 1 or early in Round 2. Unfortunately, the guys NE have taken in that range haven't worked out (Strange, Wynn) and guys they've taken in Rounds 3 and 4 haven't done much (Wallace, Cajuste, Garcia).

I also tend to disagree with the take that taking a LT at 4 is a no brainer, 10-year starter at the position. In this era, OL guys coming off their first contract will demand insane amounts of money for a second contract. The one thing we should have learned over the past decade plus is NE doesn't want to pay out big money to offensive lineman, and the only one they re-upped was Owenu (and they may already regret doing that). The point being, there is nothing to suggest they would want to give a starting LT a 5 year/$125+ million extension. The only thing they would be assured of would be having that player for a minimum of 4 years.

Not to be a pain but you have been very critical on pretty much every option they have...since this is not a "lay-up" draft with an easy pick what do you want to see happen?
I've already mapped out what I would do several times. Hunter or Carter if available. Trade down some to get an extra pick or two if not. If they stick at 4 anyway, I would rather they took a high upside player like Jeanty or Warren. Depending upon how far they moved down, tackles should still be there. Defensive lineman will be there. If they move further back, a couple of WR will be there.

This isn't just something I came up with. They were talking about this recently on one of the evening talk shows. A lot of draft prognosticators think there are maybe a half dozen top prospects and then a drop off with the next 20-25 guys in a very similar bucket talent wise. If they move into that huge group of similarly rated players, they may as well load up on extra picks. Perry, Breer, and Bedard had similar views.

As for being critical, I've researched what the tendencies and capabilities are for the guys running the show now. Vrabel has been good at developing defensive players, but n recent years, none of the parties has done great n terms of drafting and developing offensive players. That's really not my opinion, it's just how things worked out. Not saying that will carry over to this and future drafts, but it's something to monitor.

It also seems like Vrabel is looking to play a similar style as he did in TEN. Focus on defense and the run game to grind out wins and win games being more physical than opponents. I know we have touched on this before, but that seems like a similar style to what BB played with Vrabel on the roster, and it also seems like more of an old school strategy that is less prevalent this days when a lot of the successful teams are a lot more focused on high flying offenses. That doesn't mean it can't work, but I think a lot of fans would have liked to see a bigger commitment to the offensive side of the ball. Yes, I realize they tried to bring in help on offense so it's not like they decided to ignore that side of the ball.
 
I think a WR in the 2nd and 4th is fine.
Do you actually think they could find someone at WR in those rounds? To recap, the scouting department and draft decision-makers (many of which are still there) that were responsible for selecting N'Keal Harry, Tyquan Thornton, Kayshon Boute, Demario Douglas, Ja'Lynn Polk, and Javon Baker are going to find someone for once? This draft is said to be weak in terms of WR talent.

I know NE needs a LT, but just taking one early doesn't automatically mean that guy will work out. Their recent OL picks have been almost as bad as their WR picks. A lot of the best tackles in recent years were drafted in the second half of Round 1 or early in Round 2. Unfortunately, the guys NE have taken in that range haven't worked out (Strange, Wynn) and guys they've taken in Rounds 3 and 4 haven't done much (Wallace, Cajuste, Garcia).

I also tend to disagree with the take that taking a LT at 4 is a no brainer, 10-year starter at the position. In this era, OL guys coming off their first contract will demand insane amounts of money for a second contract. The one thing we should have learned over the past decade plus is NE doesn't want to pay out big money to offensive lineman, and the only one they re-upped was Owenu (and they may already regret doing that). The point being, there is nothing to suggest they would want to give a starting LT a 5 year/$125+ million extension. The only thing they would be assured of would be having that player for a minimum of 4 years.

Not to be a pain but you have been very critical on pretty much every option they have...since this is not a "lay-up" draft with an easy pick what do you want to see happen?
I've already mapped out what I would do several times. Hunter or Carter if available. Trade down some to get an extra pick or two if not. If they stick at 4 anyway, I would rather they took a high upside player like Jeanty or Warren. Depending upon how far they moved down, tackles should still be there. Defensive lineman will be there. If they move further back, a couple of WR will be there.

This isn't just something I came up with. They were talking about this recently on one of the evening talk shows. A lot of draft prognosticators think there are maybe a half dozen top prospects and then a drop off with the next 20-25 guys in a very similar bucket talent wise. If they move into that huge group of similarly rated players, they may as well load up on extra picks. Perry, Breer, and Bedard had similar views.

As for being critical, I've researched what the tendencies and capabilities are for the guys running the show now. Vrabel has been good at developing defensive players, but n recent years, none of the parties has done great n terms of drafting and developing offensive players. That's really not my opinion, it's just how things worked out. Not saying that will carry over to this and future drafts, but it's something to monitor.

It also seems like Vrabel is looking to play a similar style as he did in TEN. Focus on defense and the run game to grind out wins and win games being more physical than opponents. I know we have touched on this before, but that seems like a similar style to what BB played with Vrabel on the roster, and it also seems like more of an old school strategy that is less prevalent this days when a lot of the successful teams are a lot more focused on high flying offenses. That doesn't mean it can't work, but I think a lot of fans would have liked to see a bigger commitment to the offensive side of the ball. Yes, I realize they tried to bring in help on offense so it's not like they decided to ignore that side of the ball.

I don't agree with the last part...Vrabel played that style because Tannehill was his QB and Henry was his RB (i.e. it was the smart way to play with that personnel)...he has said one of the biggest draws to the Patriots job was Maye...while he is a believer in fundamentals and the trenches I fully expect him to open up the offense as they get the talent to do so (this is the key)...he also hired an OC that I don't think anyone would call old school.
 
This is the same info that's been out there for awhile. If anything, they may move Milton just to get him off the roster. I still don't think he will be involved in a standalone trade for a Top 100 pick. Put another way, if Milton feels like he is there against his will, they may just take whatever they can get for him to avoid having a disgruntled player in the locker room. As for teams waiting until after the draft, that seems like an odd time to move him. All the other teams would have filled their holes through free agency and the draft. That would seem to be a bad time to find a home for Milton, as other teams would likely be looking at him as a backup only. I still think his trade value is around a pick in the 175-200 range . . . and that starts going in the wrong direction after the draft.

I would not be surprised if he gets moved during the draft as part of a package to move up...especially once a few QBs come off the board.
 
He also hired an OC that I don't think anyone would call old school.
Speaking of McDaniels, I know people are high on him, but how well has he done without TB? Over the past 15 seasons since he left town the first time, he's had 7 as a HC or OC without Tom between DEN, STL, NE, and LV. Those teams averaged 20th in offensive yardage and 20th in offensive points scored. I hope people are right that he still has his fastball and can dial up huge improvements offensively. But they need more talent on offense to do that.
 
He also hired an OC that I don't think anyone would call old school.
Speaking of McDaniels, I know people are high on him, but how well has he done without TB? Over the past 15 seasons since he left town the first time, he's had 7 as a HC or OC without Tom between DEN, STL, NE, and LV. Those teams averaged 20th in offensive yardage and 20th in offensive points scored. I hope people are right that he still has his fastball and can dial up huge improvements offensively. But they need more talent on offense to do that.

He did an excellent job with a washed-up Cam and Mac as a rookie with very limited weapons…not sure how you could have done more with that collection than he did…it is why he got another HC job.
 
I'm hearing Jake Majors was someone Vrabel loved and others were like I love him too! And he's probably rising to the fourth round.

I didn't know who he was til a half hour ago so I don't have any context to offer.


Short arms don't really matter with centers and sometimes it's a reason they become centers.
The athletic ability and high IQ writeup has me thinking yep there's a Vrabel guy.
A Google does show other teams quite interested so it all seems sincere and not any "lying season" talk.

That Lance projects him as a backup but his IQ catches people's attention also strokes Vrabel's ego.
 
I'm hoping a stud falls to them at #4 (Hunter or Carter) .... so they can maximize a deal to trade down a few slots.
Get their LT at #8 or #10, one of the top 3 should still be available there
... and use some of that new-found draft capital to move back into the bottom of round 1 to grab another stud like TE Tyler Warren.
This pair would instantly give Maye major tools to be successful.
 
Nothing to get too excited about with this Milton deal…used a #6 on him and get a #5 back while also giving back a #7…looks like there was no market for him at all and I can’t see Milton being happy with this as he isn’t any closer for an opportunity to be a starter which was what he was reported to be seeking…not sure why this deal needed to be made now with that return but now we need to find our next Michael Bishop/Joe Milton.
 
Nothing to get too excited about with this Milton deal…used a #6 on him and get a #5 back while also giving back a #7…looks like there was no market for him at all and I can’t see Milton being happy with this as he isn’t any closer for an opportunity to be a starter which was what he was reported to be seeking…not sure why this deal needed to be made now with that return but now we need to find our next Michael Bishop/Joe Milton.
I’m okay with it if that’s the best the Pats could get in return for him. Jordan Schultz claims that wasn’t the case though:


“My understanding is since Joe Milton became available at the start of the offseason, teams that showed interest included the Raiders, Eagles, Giants, Steelers and the Cowboys.

The #Patriots had a better offer for Milton but chose to send him where he wanted out of respect for him, per source.”
 
Nothing to get too excited about with this Milton deal…used a #6 on him and get a #5 back while also giving back a #7…looks like there was no market for him at all and I can’t see Milton being happy with this as he isn’t any closer for an opportunity to be a starter which was what he was reported to be seeking…not sure why this deal needed to be made now with that return but now we need to find our next Michael Bishop/Joe Milton.
I’m okay with it if that’s the best the Pats could get in return for him. Jordan Schultz claims that wasn’t the case though:


“My understanding is since Joe Milton became available at the start of the offseason, teams that showed interest included the Raiders, Eagles, Giants, Steelers and the Cowboys.

The #Patriots had a better offer for Milton but chose to send him where he wanted out of respect for him, per source.”

I find that hard to believe and hope it is not true…he has been there one year…you aren’t trading a franchise icon…the goal should be to get the best return…will be interesting to see if anyone else follows up on this…also, it would be an odd place for Milton to pick since he has no chance of starting in Dallas…if his goal is an opportunity to compete for playing time there are better landing spots.
 
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Nothing to get too excited about with this Milton deal…used a #6 on him and get a #5 back while also giving back a #7…looks like there was no market for him at all and I can’t see Milton being happy with this as he isn’t any closer for an opportunity to be a starter which was what he was reported to be seeking…not sure why this deal needed to be made now with that return but now we need to find our next Michael Bishop/Joe Milton.
I’m okay with it if that’s the best the Pats could get in return for him. Jordan Schultz claims that wasn’t the case though:


“My understanding is since Joe Milton became available at the start of the offseason, teams that showed interest included the Raiders, Eagles, Giants, Steelers and the Cowboys.

The #Patriots had a better offer for Milton but chose to send him where he wanted out of respect for him, per source.”
Surprised.

If he was in the draft today...with the film he has in the preseason and in that Buffalo game...you're telling me he'd go in the fifth round?

I know that game was meaningless, but he put some good tape out there against NFL players (albeit backups).

And edit: Further annoying me, not only does this feel like poor value, but Milton already cost us dropping from the #1 pick to #4.

Grrrrr.
 
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Nothing to get too excited about with this Milton deal…used a #6 on him and get a #5 back while also giving back a #7…looks like there was no market for him at all and I can’t see Milton being happy with this as he isn’t any closer for an opportunity to be a starter which was what he was reported to be seeking…not sure why this deal needed to be made now with that return but now we need to find our next Michael Bishop/Joe Milton.
I’m okay with it if that’s the best the Pats could get in return for him. Jordan Schultz claims that wasn’t the case though:


“My understanding is since Joe Milton became available at the start of the offseason, teams that showed interest included the Raiders, Eagles, Giants, Steelers and the Cowboys.

The #Patriots had a better offer for Milton but chose to send him where he wanted out of respect for him, per source.”
Surprised.

If he was in the draft today...with the film he has in the preseason and in that Buffalo game...you're telling me he'd go in the fifth round?

I know that game was meaningless, but he put some good tape out there against NFL players (albeit backups).
Not even fifth round. The Pats had to throw in a seventh rounder on top of Milton to get that fifth. Milton wasn’t valued as highly by the NFL as fans are valuing him. The reality is he spent six years at college, is already 25, has been vocal about competing for a starting job as if this isn’t Drake Maye’s team. Has enticing physical traits but hasn’t proven anything against real NFL competition and wasn’t going to get a chance to here either. If the Pats moved on from him this quickly then there has to be more to this than we’re being told. He was a nice late round dart throw in case Maye pulled a Zach Wilson but I think we can feel confident we’re good at QB now.
 
Nothing to get too excited about with this Milton deal…used a #6 on him and get a #5 back while also giving back a #7…looks like there was no market for him at all and I can’t see Milton being happy with this as he isn’t any closer for an opportunity to be a starter which was what he was reported to be seeking…not sure why this deal needed to be made now with that return but now we need to find our next Michael Bishop/Joe Milton.
I’m okay with it if that’s the best the Pats could get in return for him. Jordan Schultz claims that wasn’t the case though:


“My understanding is since Joe Milton became available at the start of the offseason, teams that showed interest included the Raiders, Eagles, Giants, Steelers and the Cowboys.

The #Patriots had a better offer for Milton but chose to send him where he wanted out of respect for him, per source.”
Surprised.

If he was in the draft today...with the film he has in the preseason and in that Buffalo game...you're telling me he'd go in the fifth round?

I know that game was meaningless, but he put some good tape out there against NFL players (albeit backups).
Not even fifth round. The Pats had to throw in a seventh rounder on top of Milton to get that fifth. Milton wasn’t valued as highly by the NFL as fans are valuing him. The reality is he spent six years at college, is already 25, has been vocal about competing for a starting job as if this isn’t Drake Maye’s team. Has enticing physical traits but hasn’t proven anything against real NFL competition and wasn’t going to get a chance to here either. If the Pats moved on from him this quickly then there has to be more to this than we’re being told. He was a nice late round dart throw in case Maye pulled a Zach Wilson but I think we can feel confident we’re good at QB now.

Another wasted draft pick by Eliot Wolf…amazing he still has a job.
 
Nothing to get too excited about with this Milton deal…used a #6 on him and get a #5 back while also giving back a #7…looks like there was no market for him at all and I can’t see Milton being happy with this as he isn’t any closer for an opportunity to be a starter which was what he was reported to be seeking…not sure why this deal needed to be made now with that return but now we need to find our next Michael Bishop/Joe Milton.
I’m okay with it if that’s the best the Pats could get in return for him. Jordan Schultz claims that wasn’t the case though:


“My understanding is since Joe Milton became available at the start of the offseason, teams that showed interest included the Raiders, Eagles, Giants, Steelers and the Cowboys.

The #Patriots had a better offer for Milton but chose to send him where he wanted out of respect for him, per source.”
Surprised.

If he was in the draft today...with the film he has in the preseason and in that Buffalo game...you're telling me he'd go in the fifth round?

I know that game was meaningless, but he put some good tape out there against NFL players (albeit backups).
Not even fifth round. The Pats had to throw in a seventh rounder on top of Milton to get that fifth. Milton wasn’t valued as highly by the NFL as fans are valuing him. The reality is he spent six years at college, is already 25, has been vocal about competing for a starting job as if this isn’t Drake Maye’s team. Has enticing physical traits but hasn’t proven anything against real NFL competition and wasn’t going to get a chance to here either. If the Pats moved on from him this quickly then there has to be more to this than we’re being told. He was a nice late round dart throw in case Maye pulled a Zach Wilson but I think we can feel confident we’re good at QB now.

Another wasted draft pick by Eliot Wolf…amazing he still has a job.
I’m not a fan of Wolf either but I look at this differently: he turned a 2024 6th and a 2025 7th into a 2025 5th. That’s a win, unless you’re convinced that Milton is an NFL-caliber starting QB (which I do not). Milton was drafted with the pick the Pats got from the Jags when they traded away Mac Jones, who frankly was worth next to nothing by that point. It’s amazing they got any value at all out of Mac last offseason, when he was probably going to be cut outright. The real test is going to be who the Pats get with this 5th round pick.
 
I’m only speculating here but given Milton’s outspoken desire to compete for a starting job (rather than competing with Dobbs for the backup job), it made sense for Vrabel to eliminate the distraction. Milton isn’t good enough to compete with Maye for that starting job, and isn’t enough of an investment to be worth the headache.
 
Nothing to get too excited about with this Milton deal…used a #6 on him and get a #5 back while also giving back a #7…looks like there was no market for him at all and I can’t see Milton being happy with this as he isn’t any closer for an opportunity to be a starter which was what he was reported to be seeking…not sure why this deal needed to be made now with that return but now we need to find our next Michael Bishop/Joe Milton.
I’m okay with it if that’s the best the Pats could get in return for him. Jordan Schultz claims that wasn’t the case though:


“My understanding is since Joe Milton became available at the start of the offseason, teams that showed interest included the Raiders, Eagles, Giants, Steelers and the Cowboys.

The #Patriots had a better offer for Milton but chose to send him where he wanted out of respect for him, per source.”
Surprised.

If he was in the draft today...with the film he has in the preseason and in that Buffalo game...you're telling me he'd go in the fifth round?

I know that game was meaningless, but he put some good tape out there against NFL players (albeit backups).
Not even fifth round. The Pats had to throw in a seventh rounder on top of Milton to get that fifth. Milton wasn’t valued as highly by the NFL as fans are valuing him. The reality is he spent six years at college, is already 25, has been vocal about competing for a starting job as if this isn’t Drake Maye’s team. Has enticing physical traits but hasn’t proven anything against real NFL competition and wasn’t going to get a chance to here either. If the Pats moved on from him this quickly then there has to be more to this than we’re being told. He was a nice late round dart throw in case Maye pulled a Zach Wilson but I think we can feel confident we’re good at QB now.
It's too bad.

I think he has serious potential and probably could have seen his value increase if he was just held onto. Apparently, he's causing a stink about wanting to start? So trade him away for essentially zero added value? Because they don't want our fragile Drake Maye to have somebody over his shoulder?

Don't like it.

I would have held onto him and told him to grab a clipboard.
 
Nothing to get too excited about with this Milton deal…used a #6 on him and get a #5 back while also giving back a #7…looks like there was no market for him at all and I can’t see Milton being happy with this as he isn’t any closer for an opportunity to be a starter which was what he was reported to be seeking…not sure why this deal needed to be made now with that return but now we need to find our next Michael Bishop/Joe Milton.
I’m okay with it if that’s the best the Pats could get in return for him. Jordan Schultz claims that wasn’t the case though:


“My understanding is since Joe Milton became available at the start of the offseason, teams that showed interest included the Raiders, Eagles, Giants, Steelers and the Cowboys.

The #Patriots had a better offer for Milton but chose to send him where he wanted out of respect for him, per source.”
Surprised.

If he was in the draft today...with the film he has in the preseason and in that Buffalo game...you're telling me he'd go in the fifth round?

I know that game was meaningless, but he put some good tape out there against NFL players (albeit backups).
Not even fifth round. The Pats had to throw in a seventh rounder on top of Milton to get that fifth. Milton wasn’t valued as highly by the NFL as fans are valuing him. The reality is he spent six years at college, is already 25, has been vocal about competing for a starting job as if this isn’t Drake Maye’s team. Has enticing physical traits but hasn’t proven anything against real NFL competition and wasn’t going to get a chance to here either. If the Pats moved on from him this quickly then there has to be more to this than we’re being told. He was a nice late round dart throw in case Maye pulled a Zach Wilson but I think we can feel confident we’re good at QB now.

Another wasted draft pick by Eliot Wolf…amazing he still has a job.
I’m not a fan of Wolf either but I look at this differently: he turned a 2024 6th and a 2025 7th into a 2025 5th. That’s a win, unless you’re convinced that Milton is an NFL-caliber starting QB (which I do not). Milton was drafted with the pick the Pats got from the Jags when they traded away Mac Jones, who frankly was worth next to nothing by that point. It’s amazing they got any value at all out of Mac last offseason, when he was probably going to be cut outright. The real test is going to be who the Pats get with this 5th round pick.

I like the optimism but I see it as you drafted what looks to be a distraction and moved up a few spots in the draft and now may have to use another pick to draft another QB…hopefully this is an asset that helps them move around draft day but this move isn’t doing much for me.
 
Nothing to get too excited about with this Milton deal…used a #6 on him and get a #5 back while also giving back a #7…looks like there was no market for him at all and I can’t see Milton being happy with this as he isn’t any closer for an opportunity to be a starter which was what he was reported to be seeking…not sure why this deal needed to be made now with that return but now we need to find our next Michael Bishop/Joe Milton.
I’m okay with it if that’s the best the Pats could get in return for him. Jordan Schultz claims that wasn’t the case though:


“My understanding is since Joe Milton became available at the start of the offseason, teams that showed interest included the Raiders, Eagles, Giants, Steelers and the Cowboys.

The #Patriots had a better offer for Milton but chose to send him where he wanted out of respect for him, per source.”
Surprised.

If he was in the draft today...with the film he has in the preseason and in that Buffalo game...you're telling me he'd go in the fifth round?

I know that game was meaningless, but he put some good tape out there against NFL players (albeit backups).
Not even fifth round. The Pats had to throw in a seventh rounder on top of Milton to get that fifth. Milton wasn’t valued as highly by the NFL as fans are valuing him. The reality is he spent six years at college, is already 25, has been vocal about competing for a starting job as if this isn’t Drake Maye’s team. Has enticing physical traits but hasn’t proven anything against real NFL competition and wasn’t going to get a chance to here either. If the Pats moved on from him this quickly then there has to be more to this than we’re being told. He was a nice late round dart throw in case Maye pulled a Zach Wilson but I think we can feel confident we’re good at QB now.

Another wasted draft pick by Eliot Wolf…amazing he still has a job.
I’m not a fan of Wolf either but I look at this differently: he turned a 2024 6th and a 2025 7th into a 2025 5th. That’s a win, unless you’re convinced that Milton is an NFL-caliber starting QB (which I do not). Milton was drafted with the pick the Pats got from the Jags when they traded away Mac Jones, who frankly was worth next to nothing by that point. It’s amazing they got any value at all out of Mac last offseason, when he was probably going to be cut outright. The real test is going to be who the Pats get with this 5th round pick.

I like the optimism but I see it as you drafted what looks to be a distraction and moved up a few spots in the draft and now may have to use another pick to draft another QB…hopefully this is an asset that helps them move around draft day but this move isn’t doing much for me.
Drafting Milton at all may have been a mistake in hindsight. I don’t think moving on from him is. I would hope they don’t waste it on another QB. I expect them to go into the season with 2 QBs (Maye and Dobbs) plus whoever they have on the practice squad. Maye is the only QB they need to focus on developing. I still remember the days of people wanting “Drew Badthrow” to take a seat for Michael Bishop. That was fun.
 
Nothing to get too excited about with this Milton deal…used a #6 on him and get a #5 back while also giving back a #7…looks like there was no market for him at all and I can’t see Milton being happy with this as he isn’t any closer for an opportunity to be a starter which was what he was reported to be seeking…not sure why this deal needed to be made now with that return but now we need to find our next Michael Bishop/Joe Milton.
I’m okay with it if that’s the best the Pats could get in return for him. Jordan Schultz claims that wasn’t the case though:


“My understanding is since Joe Milton became available at the start of the offseason, teams that showed interest included the Raiders, Eagles, Giants, Steelers and the Cowboys.

The #Patriots had a better offer for Milton but chose to send him where he wanted out of respect for him, per source.”
Surprised.

If he was in the draft today...with the film he has in the preseason and in that Buffalo game...you're telling me he'd go in the fifth round?

I know that game was meaningless, but he put some good tape out there against NFL players (albeit backups).
Not even fifth round. The Pats had to throw in a seventh rounder on top of Milton to get that fifth. Milton wasn’t valued as highly by the NFL as fans are valuing him. The reality is he spent six years at college, is already 25, has been vocal about competing for a starting job as if this isn’t Drake Maye’s team. Has enticing physical traits but hasn’t proven anything against real NFL competition and wasn’t going to get a chance to here either. If the Pats moved on from him this quickly then there has to be more to this than we’re being told. He was a nice late round dart throw in case Maye pulled a Zach Wilson but I think we can feel confident we’re good at QB now.
It's too bad.

I think he has serious potential and probably could have seen his value increase if he was just held onto. Apparently, he's causing a stink about wanting to start? So trade him away for essentially zero added value? Because they don't want our fragile Drake Maye to have somebody over his shoulder?

Don't like it.

I would have held onto him and told him to grab a clipboard.
I think you’re overvaluing Milton here. He’s raw arm strength and not much else. He flashed against third stringers in a game Buffalo was openly tanking to prevent us from getting 1st overall. If Milton was being a distraction then he needed to go. Remember what Vrabel said, he wants players who are going to buy in with the team and if they aren’t then it’s his job to protect the team. I think the mistake in evaluating Milton’s worth is coming from the fans, not the people who have seen him up close day to day.
 
Nothing to get too excited about with this Milton deal…used a #6 on him and get a #5 back while also giving back a #7…looks like there was no market for him at all and I can’t see Milton being happy with this as he isn’t any closer for an opportunity to be a starter which was what he was reported to be seeking…not sure why this deal needed to be made now with that return but now we need to find our next Michael Bishop/Joe Milton.
I’m okay with it if that’s the best the Pats could get in return for him. Jordan Schultz claims that wasn’t the case though:


“My understanding is since Joe Milton became available at the start of the offseason, teams that showed interest included the Raiders, Eagles, Giants, Steelers and the Cowboys.

The #Patriots had a better offer for Milton but chose to send him where he wanted out of respect for him, per source.”
Surprised.

If he was in the draft today...with the film he has in the preseason and in that Buffalo game...you're telling me he'd go in the fifth round?

I know that game was meaningless, but he put some good tape out there against NFL players (albeit backups).
Not even fifth round. The Pats had to throw in a seventh rounder on top of Milton to get that fifth. Milton wasn’t valued as highly by the NFL as fans are valuing him. The reality is he spent six years at college, is already 25, has been vocal about competing for a starting job as if this isn’t Drake Maye’s team. Has enticing physical traits but hasn’t proven anything against real NFL competition and wasn’t going to get a chance to here either. If the Pats moved on from him this quickly then there has to be more to this than we’re being told. He was a nice late round dart throw in case Maye pulled a Zach Wilson but I think we can feel confident we’re good at QB now.
It's too bad.

I think he has serious potential and probably could have seen his value increase if he was just held onto. Apparently, he's causing a stink about wanting to start? So trade him away for essentially zero added value? Because they don't want our fragile Drake Maye to have somebody over his shoulder?

Don't like it.

I would have held onto him and told him to grab a clipboard.
I think you’re overvaluing Milton here. He’s raw arm strength and not much else. He flashed against third stringers in a game Buffalo was openly tanking to prevent us from getting 1st overall. If Milton was being a distraction then he needed to go. Remember what Vrabel said, he wants players who are going to buy in with the team and if they aren’t then it’s his job to protect the team. I think the mistake in evaluating Milton’s worth is coming from the fans, not the people who have seen him up close day to day.
I guess Philly pretty much got the same for K. Pickett who was drafted much higher and has seen much more playing time.

Eh...still don't love this, but hopefully they make good use of the draft capitol.
 
Nothing to get too excited about with this Milton deal…used a #6 on him and get a #5 back while also giving back a #7…looks like there was no market for him at all and I can’t see Milton being happy with this as he isn’t any closer for an opportunity to be a starter which was what he was reported to be seeking…not sure why this deal needed to be made now with that return but now we need to find our next Michael Bishop/Joe Milton.
I’m okay with it if that’s the best the Pats could get in return for him. Jordan Schultz claims that wasn’t the case though:


“My understanding is since Joe Milton became available at the start of the offseason, teams that showed interest included the Raiders, Eagles, Giants, Steelers and the Cowboys.

The #Patriots had a better offer for Milton but chose to send him where he wanted out of respect for him, per source.”
Surprised.

If he was in the draft today...with the film he has in the preseason and in that Buffalo game...you're telling me he'd go in the fifth round?

I know that game was meaningless, but he put some good tape out there against NFL players (albeit backups).
Not even fifth round. The Pats had to throw in a seventh rounder on top of Milton to get that fifth. Milton wasn’t valued as highly by the NFL as fans are valuing him. The reality is he spent six years at college, is already 25, has been vocal about competing for a starting job as if this isn’t Drake Maye’s team. Has enticing physical traits but hasn’t proven anything against real NFL competition and wasn’t going to get a chance to here either. If the Pats moved on from him this quickly then there has to be more to this than we’re being told. He was a nice late round dart throw in case Maye pulled a Zach Wilson but I think we can feel confident we’re good at QB now.
It's too bad.

I think he has serious potential and probably could have seen his value increase if he was just held onto. Apparently, he's causing a stink about wanting to start? So trade him away for essentially zero added value? Because they don't want our fragile Drake Maye to have somebody over his shoulder?

Don't like it.

I would have held onto him and told him to grab a clipboard.
I think you’re overvaluing Milton here. He’s raw arm strength and not much else. He flashed against third stringers in a game Buffalo was openly tanking to prevent us from getting 1st overall. If Milton was being a distraction then he needed to go. Remember what Vrabel said, he wants players who are going to buy in with the team and if they aren’t then it’s his job to protect the team. I think the mistake in evaluating Milton’s worth is coming from the fans, not the people who have seen him up close day to day.
I guess Philly pretty much got the same for K. Pickett who was drafted much higher and has seen much more playing time.

Eh...still don't love this, but hopefully they make good use of the draft capitol.
I hope they invest in some more interior linemen options on Day 3. Maybe they can get Drew Kendall. He's Pete Kendall's son, a local guy, went to BC, would make a nice flyer at the center position.
 
Nothing to get too excited about with this Milton deal…used a #6 on him and get a #5 back while also giving back a #7…looks like there was no market for him at all and I can’t see Milton being happy with this as he isn’t any closer for an opportunity to be a starter which was what he was reported to be seeking…not sure why this deal needed to be made now with that return but now we need to find our next Michael Bishop/Joe Milton.
I’m okay with it if that’s the best the Pats could get in return for him. Jordan Schultz claims that wasn’t the case though:


“My understanding is since Joe Milton became available at the start of the offseason, teams that showed interest included the Raiders, Eagles, Giants, Steelers and the Cowboys.

The #Patriots had a better offer for Milton but chose to send him where he wanted out of respect for him, per source.”
Surprised.

If he was in the draft today...with the film he has in the preseason and in that Buffalo game...you're telling me he'd go in the fifth round?

I know that game was meaningless, but he put some good tape out there against NFL players (albeit backups).
Not even fifth round. The Pats had to throw in a seventh rounder on top of Milton to get that fifth. Milton wasn’t valued as highly by the NFL as fans are valuing him. The reality is he spent six years at college, is already 25, has been vocal about competing for a starting job as if this isn’t Drake Maye’s team. Has enticing physical traits but hasn’t proven anything against real NFL competition and wasn’t going to get a chance to here either. If the Pats moved on from him this quickly then there has to be more to this than we’re being told. He was a nice late round dart throw in case Maye pulled a Zach Wilson but I think we can feel confident we’re good at QB now.
It's too bad.

I think he has serious potential and probably could have seen his value increase if he was just held onto. Apparently, he's causing a stink about wanting to start? So trade him away for essentially zero added value? Because they don't want our fragile Drake Maye to have somebody over his shoulder?

Don't like it.

I would have held onto him and told him to grab a clipboard.
I think you’re overvaluing Milton here. He’s raw arm strength and not much else. He flashed against third stringers in a game Buffalo was openly tanking to prevent us from getting 1st overall. If Milton was being a distraction then he needed to go. Remember what Vrabel said, he wants players who are going to buy in with the team and if they aren’t then it’s his job to protect the team. I think the mistake in evaluating Milton’s worth is coming from the fans, not the people who have seen him up close day to day.
I guess Philly pretty much got the same for K. Pickett who was drafted much higher and has seen much more playing time.

Eh...still don't love this, but hopefully they make good use of the draft capitol.
I hope they invest in some more interior linemen options on Day 3. Maybe they can get Drew Kendall. He's Pete Kendall's son, a local guy, went to BC, would make a nice flyer at the center position.

They have invested 4 picks the past two years doing that…Robinson, Sow, Mafi and Jake Andrews…hopefully Robinson turns into something…also, would be nice if Wallace can at least turn into a competent swing tackle after investing a third in him.
 
Giardi on the Milton deal:

BSJ ANALYSIS

I'm surprised the Pats moved on from Milton for this price, but he and his people haven't been quiet about wanting to move on from the situation he was in. I'm sure this isn't their preferred destination, but there was no reason for Vrabel and company to show loyalty to a player who a) they didn't draft and b) was making noise without any real accomplishments. That said, I believe there would have potentially been more value post-draft (for a team that missed out on a QB) or even in training camp if another team had suffered an injury at the quarterback position.
 
Giardi on the Milton deal:

BSJ ANALYSIS

I'm surprised the Pats moved on from Milton for this price, but he and his people haven't been quiet about wanting to move on from the situation he was in. I'm sure this isn't their preferred destination, but there was no reason for Vrabel and company to show loyalty to a player who a) they didn't draft and b) was making noise without any real accomplishments. That said, I believe there would have potentially been more value post-draft (for a team that missed out on a QB) or even in training camp if another team had suffered an injury at the quarterback position.
I think if Milton didn’t get traded now that there was a very real chance he’d get cut by the end of training camp and they’d get nothing for him. Moving him (a 2024 6th rder) and a 2025 7th rder and getting a 2025 5th rder in return isn’t amazing, but it’s more than nothing. Milton has always struggled with his progressions and his cannon of an arm comes with very little in terms of touch and accuracy. That’s not going to work in a Josh McDaniels offense.

Lost his job at Michigan to a QB who has since transferred to two other schools (McNamara), transferred himself to Tennessee and lost the job there too (Hooker), only getting it back after Hooker’s injury. Didn’t produce all that much, at an SEC school, and despite how enamored teams get with physical traits, no team thought enough to draft him until Mayo’s team did in the 6th round. What’s between his ears may be the bigger problem. If he seriously thinks he’s owed a chance at a starting job after spending all season on the inactive list except for the glorified preseason game in Week 18, then he’s as delusional as his fanboys are. He didn’t want to have to earn the backup job in New England, well now he’ll have to do that in Dallas. Hopefully for his sake he has better luck than Trey Lance did. Will Grier should pose less of a challenge than Joshua Dobbs, so there’s that.
 
Giardi on the Milton deal:

BSJ ANALYSIS

I'm surprised the Pats moved on from Milton for this price, but he and his people haven't been quiet about wanting to move on from the situation he was in. I'm sure this isn't their preferred destination, but there was no reason for Vrabel and company to show loyalty to a player who a) they didn't draft and b) was making noise without any real accomplishments. That said, I believe there would have potentially been more value post-draft (for a team that missed out on a QB) or even in training camp if another team had suffered an injury at the quarterback position.
I think if Milton didn’t get traded now that there was a very real chance he’d get cut by the end of training camp and they’d get nothing for him. Moving him (a 2024 6th rder) and a 2025 7th rder and getting a 2025 5th rder in return isn’t amazing, but it’s more than nothing. Milton has always struggled with his progressions and his cannon of an arm comes with very little in terms of touch and accuracy. That’s not going to work in a Josh McDaniels offense.

Lost his job at Michigan to a QB who has since transferred to two other schools (McNamara), transferred himself to Tennessee and lost the job there too (Hooker), only getting it back after Hooker’s injury. Didn’t produce all that much, at an SEC school, and despite how enamored teams get with physical traits, no team thought enough to draft him until Mayo’s team did in the 6th round. What’s between his ears may be the bigger problem. If he seriously thinks he’s owed a chance at a starting job after spending all season on the inactive list except for the glorified preseason game in Week 18, then he’s as delusional as his fanboys are. He didn’t want to have to earn the backup job in New England, well now he’ll have to do that in Dallas. Hopefully for his sake he has better luck than Trey Lance did. Will Grier should pose less of a challenge than Joshua Dobbs, so there’s that.

This sounds like it comes with extra salt and bitters.
 
Giardi on the Milton deal:

BSJ ANALYSIS

I'm surprised the Pats moved on from Milton for this price, but he and his people haven't been quiet about wanting to move on from the situation he was in. I'm sure this isn't their preferred destination, but there was no reason for Vrabel and company to show loyalty to a player who a) they didn't draft and b) was making noise without any real accomplishments. That said, I believe there would have potentially been more value post-draft (for a team that missed out on a QB) or even in training camp if another team had suffered an injury at the quarterback position.
I think if Milton didn’t get traded now that there was a very real chance he’d get cut by the end of training camp and they’d get nothing for him. Moving him (a 2024 6th rder) and a 2025 7th rder and getting a 2025 5th rder in return isn’t amazing, but it’s more than nothing. Milton has always struggled with his progressions and his cannon of an arm comes with very little in terms of touch and accuracy. That’s not going to work in a Josh McDaniels offense.

Lost his job at Michigan to a QB who has since transferred to two other schools (McNamara), transferred himself to Tennessee and lost the job there too (Hooker), only getting it back after Hooker’s injury. Didn’t produce all that much, at an SEC school, and despite how enamored teams get with physical traits, no team thought enough to draft him until Mayo’s team did in the 6th round. What’s between his ears may be the bigger problem. If he seriously thinks he’s owed a chance at a starting job after spending all season on the inactive list except for the glorified preseason game in Week 18, then he’s as delusional as his fanboys are. He didn’t want to have to earn the backup job in New England, well now he’ll have to do that in Dallas. Hopefully for his sake he has better luck than Trey Lance did. Will Grier should pose less of a challenge than Joshua Dobbs, so there’s that.

I don't think he was going to get cut but who knows since it is pretty obvious they wanted him gone...that being said the more I look at this I think his past history of being "a tease" probably limited his market (the old fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me)...he has always looked the part (he looks like he was built in a QB lab) but he never played consistently in college...I forget who said it on the radio yesterday but they said Vrabel was coaching the Titans when Milton was at Tennessee so he probably saw him a decent amount and that he may have been influenced by that...probably just talk radio chatter but it definitely made me say "huh" and think for a second...just guessing here but if he just spent a year with O'Connell or McVay instead of Mayo and Van Pelt that probably would have helped as well... overall I was hoping for a better return but I guess you need to look at this with the Bill Parcells "you are what your record says you are" mindset and move on because in a QB-starved league in a down year for QBs in the draft a guy who physically checks every box and looked like John Elway in his one start (I get it, it was against backups but no one can deny he looked great) was only able to get back a #5 while also adding in a #7 (to be honest that's the part that bothers me)...the NFL has spoken and in a league that more often than not overpays or reaches for QBs they didn't here so it's time to move on and hope that that #5 helps them facilitate a trade-up in this year's draft.
 
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Giardi on the Milton deal:

BSJ ANALYSIS

I'm surprised the Pats moved on from Milton for this price, but he and his people haven't been quiet about wanting to move on from the situation he was in. I'm sure this isn't their preferred destination, but there was no reason for Vrabel and company to show loyalty to a player who a) they didn't draft and b) was making noise without any real accomplishments. That said, I believe there would have potentially been more value post-draft (for a team that missed out on a QB) or even in training camp if another team had suffered an injury at the quarterback position.
I think if Milton didn’t get traded now that there was a very real chance he’d get cut by the end of training camp and they’d get nothing for him. Moving him (a 2024 6th rder) and a 2025 7th rder and getting a 2025 5th rder in return isn’t amazing, but it’s more than nothing. Milton has always struggled with his progressions and his cannon of an arm comes with very little in terms of touch and accuracy. That’s not going to work in a Josh McDaniels offense.

Lost his job at Michigan to a QB who has since transferred to two other schools (McNamara), transferred himself to Tennessee and lost the job there too (Hooker), only getting it back after Hooker’s injury. Didn’t produce all that much, at an SEC school, and despite how enamored teams get with physical traits, no team thought enough to draft him until Mayo’s team did in the 6th round. What’s between his ears may be the bigger problem. If he seriously thinks he’s owed a chance at a starting job after spending all season on the inactive list except for the glorified preseason game in Week 18, then he’s as delusional as his fanboys are. He didn’t want to have to earn the backup job in New England, well now he’ll have to do that in Dallas. Hopefully for his sake he has better luck than Trey Lance did. Will Grier should pose less of a challenge than Joshua Dobbs, so there’s that.

This sounds like it comes with extra salt and bitters.
No rockaction, you’re right, I’m super butthurt about trading away our third string QB.

(Also feel free to add to the conversation and refute what I actually said when you’re done making jokes. I’ve read your posts and I know you’re capable of better than this. Much appreciated.)
 
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Giardi on the Milton deal:

BSJ ANALYSIS

I'm surprised the Pats moved on from Milton for this price, but he and his people haven't been quiet about wanting to move on from the situation he was in. I'm sure this isn't their preferred destination, but there was no reason for Vrabel and company to show loyalty to a player who a) they didn't draft and b) was making noise without any real accomplishments. That said, I believe there would have potentially been more value post-draft (for a team that missed out on a QB) or even in training camp if another team had suffered an injury at the quarterback position.
I think if Milton didn’t get traded now that there was a very real chance he’d get cut by the end of training camp and they’d get nothing for him. Moving him (a 2024 6th rder) and a 2025 7th rder and getting a 2025 5th rder in return isn’t amazing, but it’s more than nothing. Milton has always struggled with his progressions and his cannon of an arm comes with very little in terms of touch and accuracy. That’s not going to work in a Josh McDaniels offense.

Lost his job at Michigan to a QB who has since transferred to two other schools (McNamara), transferred himself to Tennessee and lost the job there too (Hooker), only getting it back after Hooker’s injury. Didn’t produce all that much, at an SEC school, and despite how enamored teams get with physical traits, no team thought enough to draft him until Mayo’s team did in the 6th round. What’s between his ears may be the bigger problem. If he seriously thinks he’s owed a chance at a starting job after spending all season on the inactive list except for the glorified preseason game in Week 18, then he’s as delusional as his fanboys are. He didn’t want to have to earn the backup job in New England, well now he’ll have to do that in Dallas. Hopefully for his sake he has better luck than Trey Lance did. Will Grier should pose less of a challenge than Joshua Dobbs, so there’s that.

I don't think he was going to get cut but who knows since it is pretty obvious they wanted him gone...that being said the more I look at this I think his past history of being "a tease" probably limited his market (the old fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me)...he has always looked the part (he looks like he was built in a QB lab) but he never played consistently in college...I forget who said it on the radio yesterday but they said Vrabel was coaching the Titans when Milton was at Tennessee so he probably saw him a decent amount and that he may have been influenced by that...probably just talk radio chatter but it definitely made me say "huh" and think for a second...just guessing here but if he just spent a year with O'Connell or McVay instead of Mayo and Van Pelt that probably would have helped as well... overall I was hoping for a better return but I guess you need to look at this with the Bill Parcells "you are what your record says you are" mindset and move on because in a QB-starved league in a down year for QBs in the draft a guy who physically checks every box and looked like John Elway in his one start (I get it, it was against backups but no one can deny he looked great) was only able to get back a #5 while also adding in a #7 (to be honest that's the part that bothers me)...the NFL has spoken and in a league that more often than not overpays or reaches for QBs they didn't here so it's time to move on and hope that that #5 helps them facilitate a trade-up in this year's draft.
He was closer to being cut than he was to being the Pats starter, as much as some want to believe the contrary. It seems the Cowboys offer was the only one on the table for Milton. Maybe that would’ve changed after the draft, but it wasn’t worth it to Vrabel to wait. It makes more sense that Milton was making too much of a fuss about what he’s deserved versus what he’s earned and that’s why he had to go. They weren’t trading him out of fear of looking impressive against backups.
 

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