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Giardi on the Milton deal:

BSJ ANALYSIS

I'm surprised the Pats moved on from Milton for this price, but he and his people haven't been quiet about wanting to move on from the situation he was in. I'm sure this isn't their preferred destination, but there was no reason for Vrabel and company to show loyalty to a player who a) they didn't draft and b) was making noise without any real accomplishments. That said, I believe there would have potentially been more value post-draft (for a team that missed out on a QB) or even in training camp if another team had suffered an injury at the quarterback position.
I think if Milton didn’t get traded now that there was a very real chance he’d get cut by the end of training camp and they’d get nothing for him. Moving him (a 2024 6th rder) and a 2025 7th rder and getting a 2025 5th rder in return isn’t amazing, but it’s more than nothing. Milton has always struggled with his progressions and his cannon of an arm comes with very little in terms of touch and accuracy. That’s not going to work in a Josh McDaniels offense.

Lost his job at Michigan to a QB who has since transferred to two other schools (McNamara), transferred himself to Tennessee and lost the job there too (Hooker), only getting it back after Hooker’s injury. Didn’t produce all that much, at an SEC school, and despite how enamored teams get with physical traits, no team thought enough to draft him until Mayo’s team did in the 6th round. What’s between his ears may be the bigger problem. If he seriously thinks he’s owed a chance at a starting job after spending all season on the inactive list except for the glorified preseason game in Week 18, then he’s as delusional as his fanboys are. He didn’t want to have to earn the backup job in New England, well now he’ll have to do that in Dallas. Hopefully for his sake he has better luck than Trey Lance did. Will Grier should pose less of a challenge than Joshua Dobbs, so there’s that.

I don't think he was going to get cut but who knows since it is pretty obvious they wanted him gone...that being said the more I look at this I think his past history of being "a tease" probably limited his market (the old fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me)...he has always looked the part (he looks like he was built in a QB lab) but he never played consistently in college...I forget who said it on the radio yesterday but they said Vrabel was coaching the Titans when Milton was at Tennessee so he probably saw him a decent amount and that he may have been influenced by that...probably just talk radio chatter but it definitely made me say "huh" and think for a second...just guessing here but if he just spent a year with O'Connell or McVay instead of Mayo and Van Pelt that probably would have helped as well... overall I was hoping for a better return but I guess you need to look at this with the Bill Parcells "you are what your record says you are" mindset and move on because in a QB-starved league in a down year for QBs in the draft a guy who physically checks every box and looked like John Elway in his one start (I get it, it was against backups but no one can deny he looked great) was only able to get back a #5 while also adding in a #7 (to be honest that's the part that bothers me)...the NFL has spoken and in a league that more often than not overpays or reaches for QBs they didn't here so it's time to move on and hope that that #5 helps them facilitate a trade-up in this year's draft.
He was closer to being cut than he was to being the Pats starter, as much as some want to believe the contrary. It seems the Cowboys offer was the only one on the table for Milton. Maybe that would’ve changed after the draft, but it wasn’t worth it to Vrabel to wait. It makes more sense that Milton was making too much of a fuss about what he’s deserved versus what he’s earned and that’s why he had to go. They weren’t trading him out of fear of looking impressive against backups.

In all honesty I can't picture anyone thinking he was anywhere close to being a starter...Maye is 110% locked in as he should be...if someone thinks Milton had any chance of starting over him they are delusional...I also think 99.9% of Patriot fans are good with trading him...I think the second he looked great against Buffalo that was expected although I do believe the hope was you would get more because he plays the premium-position where teams usually reach/overpay and this return is very pedestrian...now, with Geno only going for a 3rd maybe we are seeing a change in philosophy in that thinking but I do believe looking at this the evaluation on Milton probably hasn't changed too much since college because there are teams like the NYG, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, the Rams and New Orleans that could really use a young QB with upside but as Giardi points out teams in that situation probably want to see the draft play out until they think about someone like Milton and as you point out Vrabel may be more concerned with now.
 
Giardi on the Milton deal:

BSJ ANALYSIS

I'm surprised the Pats moved on from Milton for this price, but he and his people haven't been quiet about wanting to move on from the situation he was in. I'm sure this isn't their preferred destination, but there was no reason for Vrabel and company to show loyalty to a player who a) they didn't draft and b) was making noise without any real accomplishments. That said, I believe there would have potentially been more value post-draft (for a team that missed out on a QB) or even in training camp if another team had suffered an injury at the quarterback position.
I think if Milton didn’t get traded now that there was a very real chance he’d get cut by the end of training camp and they’d get nothing for him. Moving him (a 2024 6th rder) and a 2025 7th rder and getting a 2025 5th rder in return isn’t amazing, but it’s more than nothing. Milton has always struggled with his progressions and his cannon of an arm comes with very little in terms of touch and accuracy. That’s not going to work in a Josh McDaniels offense.

Lost his job at Michigan to a QB who has since transferred to two other schools (McNamara), transferred himself to Tennessee and lost the job there too (Hooker), only getting it back after Hooker’s injury. Didn’t produce all that much, at an SEC school, and despite how enamored teams get with physical traits, no team thought enough to draft him until Mayo’s team did in the 6th round. What’s between his ears may be the bigger problem. If he seriously thinks he’s owed a chance at a starting job after spending all season on the inactive list except for the glorified preseason game in Week 18, then he’s as delusional as his fanboys are. He didn’t want to have to earn the backup job in New England, well now he’ll have to do that in Dallas. Hopefully for his sake he has better luck than Trey Lance did. Will Grier should pose less of a challenge than Joshua Dobbs, so there’s that.

This sounds like it comes with extra salt and bitters.
No rockaction, you’re right, I’m super butthurt about trading away our third string QB.

(Also feel free to add to the conversation and refute what I actually said when you’re done making jokes. I’ve read your posts and I know you’re capable of better than this. Much appreciated.)

Oh, don’t be so sensitive. It sounds like wagon circling and the best possible way and most generous way to look at it from the Pats’ side.

They spent a year developing and giving reps and attention to a guy who then went out and dominated a game that cost them the first pick while showing remarkable physical talent that doesn’t come along every day.

Once the league called their bluff because they knew New England had to move him, he was moved for about twenty slots and one pick less. Before we discuss the twenty spots, let’s discuss the lost pick and the hit rates of late fifth-round picks. I guarantee you that very few fifth-round compensatory picks at premium positions have anywhere near the success in the NFL for their career than Milton just had in his one year (his one game and change).

If you think the Pats either did well in this deal or did well by the player, I think you’re looking at it with homer blinders. You lost a pick and moved up some spots and sent the guy to Siberia. Josh Dobbs is a great team guy and someone to pull for but is nowhere near the talent Milton is. Nobody is mentioning Maye’s concussions this year. If they can’t protect him and that trend continues, this deal looks even worse and is worse than a QB room where a guy thinks he can start.

And that’s about it. Don’t see how the Pats come out of the deal winners, and now Milton is buried on the Cowboys behind Dak. Nobody but Jerry Jones made out in this deal, and that should disappoint any football fan.
 
Giardi on the Milton deal:

BSJ ANALYSIS

I'm surprised the Pats moved on from Milton for this price, but he and his people haven't been quiet about wanting to move on from the situation he was in. I'm sure this isn't their preferred destination, but there was no reason for Vrabel and company to show loyalty to a player who a) they didn't draft and b) was making noise without any real accomplishments. That said, I believe there would have potentially been more value post-draft (for a team that missed out on a QB) or even in training camp if another team had suffered an injury at the quarterback position.
I think if Milton didn’t get traded now that there was a very real chance he’d get cut by the end of training camp and they’d get nothing for him. Moving him (a 2024 6th rder) and a 2025 7th rder and getting a 2025 5th rder in return isn’t amazing, but it’s more than nothing. Milton has always struggled with his progressions and his cannon of an arm comes with very little in terms of touch and accuracy. That’s not going to work in a Josh McDaniels offense.

Lost his job at Michigan to a QB who has since transferred to two other schools (McNamara), transferred himself to Tennessee and lost the job there too (Hooker), only getting it back after Hooker’s injury. Didn’t produce all that much, at an SEC school, and despite how enamored teams get with physical traits, no team thought enough to draft him until Mayo’s team did in the 6th round. What’s between his ears may be the bigger problem. If he seriously thinks he’s owed a chance at a starting job after spending all season on the inactive list except for the glorified preseason game in Week 18, then he’s as delusional as his fanboys are. He didn’t want to have to earn the backup job in New England, well now he’ll have to do that in Dallas. Hopefully for his sake he has better luck than Trey Lance did. Will Grier should pose less of a challenge than Joshua Dobbs, so there’s that.

This sounds like it comes with extra salt and bitters.
No rockaction, you’re right, I’m super butthurt about trading away our third string QB.

(Also feel free to add to the conversation and refute what I actually said when you’re done making jokes. I’ve read your posts and I know you’re capable of better than this. Much appreciated.)

Oh, don’t be so sensitive. It sounds like wagon circling and the best possible way and most generous way to look at it from the Pats’ side.

They spent a year developing and giving reps and attention to a guy who then went out and dominated a game that cost them the first pick while showing remarkable physical talent that doesn’t come along every day.

Once the league called their bluff because they knew New England had to move him, he was moved for about twenty slots and one pick less. Before we discuss the twenty spots, let’s discuss the lost pick and the hit rates of late fifth-round picks. I guarantee you that very few fifth-round compensatory picks at premium positions have anywhere near the success in the NFL for their career than Milton just had in his one year (his one game and change).

If you think the Pats either did well in this deal or did well by the player, I think you’re looking at it with homer blinders. You lost a pick and moved up some spots and sent the guy to Siberia. Josh Dobbs is a great team guy and someone to pull for but is nowhere near the talent Milton is. Nobody is mentioning Maye’s concussions this year. If they can’t protect him and that trend continues, this deal looks even worse and is worse than a QB room where a guy thinks he can start.

And that’s about it. Don’t see how the Pats come out of the deal winners, and now Milton is buried on the Cowboys behind Dak. Nobody but Jerry Jones made out in this deal, and that should disappoint any football fan.
I don't disagree with any of this.

There's a much greater chance that NE ends up looking very bad on this deal in hindsight vs. the opposite.

Let's turn the page. More Milton talk (along with a continued market crash) is making me sick this morning.
 
Sorry to have touched a nerve. Your analysis, though Patriot-friendly, was really well-reasoned and well-thought out from a NE perspective. I should recognize the work in the future rather than being so dismissive and critical. In all seriousness, yours was a great analysis if you want the cold, hard facts of the matter from New England’s perspective. My apologies if you’ll accept them.
 
Sorry to have touched a nerve. Your analysis, though Patriot-friendly, was really well-reasoned and well-thought out from a NE perspective. I should recognize the work in the future rather than being so dismissive and critical. In all seriousness, yours was a great analysis if you want the cold, hard facts of the matter from New England’s perspective. My apologies if you’ll accept them.
I appreciate it. If I came off as combative it’s because I was already well-versed in debating with other Pats fans all day yesterday, some of whom were having meltdowns about giving away Milton for a 5th. I didn’t find the uproar to be justified and I wanted to be clear on why I felt that way. I didn’t think a simple “they’ll be fine with Maye, Milton isn’t anything special” would suffice without additional context.

Speaking of context, Milton looked good in his one game but it was against a playoff-bound Buffalo team benching their starters for second and third stringers and playing prevent defense the entire game. When Trubisky gave the Bills the lead in the 3rd, McDermott benched him for White in the 4th and starting throwing ducks to Coleman. The only earnest attempt to win that game was by the backups in the game in Patriots uniforms.

I think the deal doesn’t move the needle for the Pats but actually gives Milton a higher chance of playing time. He has more upside but he wasn’t a sure bet to usurp Dobbs for the backup job. Dobbs at least has experience managing an offense against NFL starting defenses and did a decent job of it in 2023. Milton has a clearer path with only an injury prone Prescott ahead of him at this time. The Pats are still screwed if anything happens to Maye, whether Dobbs or Milton was the guy to sub in.
 
Downing on Polk and Baker
“And you see those same flashes of ability. So as long as the character and approach to this offseason matches that fresh start mentality, I think they have the tools to be able to do some things and show out as NFL wide receivers.”

Positive article with the added coach comment
 
Downing on Polk and Baker
“And you see those same flashes of ability. So as long as the character and approach to this offseason matches that fresh start mentality, I think they have the tools to be able to do some things and show out as NFL wide receivers.”

Positive article with the added coach comment
Not a jab at you, but what are the coaches going to say about the players on their roster? "Not sure why they drafted these guys, they're clearly bums . . . even more baffling is how they're still on the roster." Downing was brought in specifically to get something out of the receivers.

I've heard plenty of internal glazing over Polk, Baker, Douglas, and Boutte. The comments I have seen aren't as prominent as talk on other issues or things Vrabel has said. But it sounds like they are blaming the lack of production and development of this group on prior coaches.

It would not shock me at all if NE passes on taking another WR this draft. Wolf mentioned that they already have a great young core. I somewhat agree in a roundabout manner. The incoming crop of WRs this draft is not said to be great. I would rather they used their early picks to shore up other spots on the roster. (I'm afraid they may move Day 2 picks to move up into . . . but that's a different discussion and would revolve on who they moved up to get.) Not sure that taking the next Polk or Thornton in the second round would help them all that much.

The other issue with WR now is that McDaniels' scheme is very complicated and that's part of the reason why they struggled for years to find young WR to absorb it and thrive in it. JMD mentioned that he was asked this year to simplify his offense and/or modify it based on what the offensive players knew how to run. It sounded like they wanted Josh to both dumb down the offense and run more plays that fit the skill set and capability of the roster. We'll have to see how that goes.
 
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It being the slow season, I can't help clicking on articles with made up trade propositions. Athlon Sports pitched some potential Bourne trades (which I scratched my head on).

Here's the ones they suggested . . .

WR Kendrick Bourne to DAL for CB Caelen Carson and a 6th. Or Bourne for a 5th. (Carson was a 5th round pick last year and played 250 snaps.)
WR Kendrick Bourne and S Jaylinn Hawkins to MIA for a 3rd. Or Bourne and Hawkins for RB Jaylen Wright and a 7th. (Wright was a 4th round pick last year.)
WR Kendrick Bourne and the #4 overall pick to PHI for 3-time Pro-Bowl G Landon Dickerson, the 32nd overall pick, and a 5th.

It's rare that people suggest trades that don't make much sense for either trading partner, but that might be the case here. IMO, Bourne likely doesn't have much trade value (30-year-old receiver still recovering from ACL and at this point an NFL team's WR4). He's more likely to be cut than traded. No sane team is going to give up a 3rd for him and Hawkins. As for the proposed trade with Philly, I don't think either team would be all that interested.
 
I'm hoping a stud falls to them at #4 (Hunter or Carter) .... so they can maximize a deal to trade down a few slots.
Get their LT at #8 or #10, one of the top 3 should still be available there
... and use some of that new-found draft capital to move back into the bottom of round 1 to grab another stud like TE Tyler Warren.
This pair would instantly give Maye major tools to be successful.
Obviously I haven't been paying much attention to the prospects.
People are now projecting Ty Warren to go in the top 10 picks so ... this theory of mine is flawed pie-in-the-sky.
Suppose they could still trade down to #7-#10 and hope to land Warren, then move back into the bottom of rd.1 to grab a lesser LT since the top 3 would likely be gone.
Guess that's my "best case scenario" now and what I'll be hoping for.
 
I'm hoping a stud falls to them at #4 (Hunter or Carter) .... so they can maximize a deal to trade down a few slots.
Get their LT at #8 or #10, one of the top 3 should still be available there
... and use some of that new-found draft capital to move back into the bottom of round 1 to grab another stud like TE Tyler Warren.
This pair would instantly give Maye major tools to be successful.
Obviously I haven't been paying much attention to the prospects.
People are now projecting Ty Warren to go in the top 10 picks so ... this theory of mine is flawed pie-in-the-sky.
Suppose they could still trade down to #7-#10 and hope to land Warren, then move back into the bottom of rd.1 to grab a lesser LT since the top 3 would likely be gone.
Guess that's my "best case scenario" now and what I'll be hoping for.
They might be able to finagle what you suggest (trading down from #4 to #7-10) if someone offers them a package that would wet their whistle. But they would likely take OL or DL help there (not a TE). At this point, TE is one of the few positions they don't really need to improve at. I'm guessing they are set on taking Campbell (for better or for worse).
 
I'm hoping a stud falls to them at #4 (Hunter or Carter) .... so they can maximize a deal to trade down a few slots.
Get their LT at #8 or #10, one of the top 3 should still be available there
... and use some of that new-found draft capital to move back into the bottom of round 1 to grab another stud like TE Tyler Warren.
This pair would instantly give Maye major tools to be successful.
Obviously I haven't been paying much attention to the prospects.
People are now projecting Ty Warren to go in the top 10 picks so ... this theory of mine is flawed pie-in-the-sky.
Suppose they could still trade down to #7-#10 and hope to land Warren, then move back into the bottom of rd.1 to grab a lesser LT since the top 3 would likely be gone.
Guess that's my "best case scenario" now and what I'll be hoping for.
They might be able to finagle what you suggest (trading down from #4 to #7-10) if someone offers them a package that would wet their whistle. But they would likely take OL or DL help there (not a TE). At this point, TE is one of the few positions they don't really need to improve at. I'm guessing they are set on taking Campbell (for better or for worse).
It's sounding more and more like Carter will be there at #4 if they want him.
Media reporting that teams may be concerned over a foot issue ... which may be justified or just those teams attempt to get him to fall to them.
As pathetic as NE offense is, I'd rather them trade back and draft someone on that side of the ball.
4 more years of your QB on a rookie contract. Let's give the kid some help now and not wait another year.
.... and I'd like to be done watching them lose whenever their opponent scores more than 17 points.
 
Current Vegas odds on the 4th pick of the draft: Campbell -140, Membou +400, Carter +550, Walker +600, Graham +1500, Jeanty +1800, Hunter +2000, Sanders +2500.
 
Current Vegas odds on the 4th pick of the draft: Campbell -140, Membou +400, Carter +550, Walker +600, Graham +1500, Jeanty +1800, Hunter +2000, Sanders +2500.
Sanders is tempting.
New report out that D. Carr has a shoulder injury, considering surgery, may not be ready for the start of the season.

Could see NO as a potential trade down partner for S. Sanders.

Unless A. Rodgers suddenly ditches the Steelers for NO.
 
Current Vegas odds on the 4th pick of the draft: Campbell -140, Membou +400, Carter +550, Walker +600, Graham +1500, Jeanty +1800, Hunter +2000, Sanders +2500.
Sanders is tempting.
New report out that D. Carr has a shoulder injury, considering surgery, may not be ready for the start of the season.

Could see NO as a potential trade down partner for S. Sanders.

Unless A. Rodgers suddenly ditches the Steelers for NO.
With that news and looking at the other teams that is probably your best bet for a trade-down...Jax at #5 doesn't make sense...Raiders aren't totally out-of-the question but they just extended Geno and if they actually want Sanders (which they may not) they could possibly get him without a trade...I don't see the Pats making a deal with the Jets even if they want him (which they may not) after signing Fields...Young played well enough the second-half of last year and Carolina has plenty of other needs so they are a pass...which gets you to NO at #9 which keeps you in the top 10 which is what you want...Carr was already iffy as a long-term answer pre-injury and with a new offensive HC they could be in the market for a young QB...definitely see the logic here.
 
Current Vegas odds on the 4th pick of the draft: Campbell -140, Membou +400, Carter +550, Walker +600, Graham +1500, Jeanty +1800, Hunter +2000, Sanders +2500.
Sanders is tempting.
New report out that D. Carr has a shoulder injury, considering surgery, may not be ready for the start of the season.

Could see NO as a potential trade down partner for S. Sanders.

Unless A. Rodgers suddenly ditches the Steelers for NO.
Drafting Sanders is not going to help if Carr is not ready for the opener. Sanders will get blown up if he starts day 1.
 
I’m making peace with this. I don’t think Campbell will end up being an elite NFL LT, but even if he’s just top 15 or so that is a big win for the Pats. We’ve seen this offseason just how hard it is to find LT help if you’re not getting one in the draft. I still think guys like Warren and Jeanty are technically the better players available after Hunter and Carter are off the board, but Campbell is part of that group with them along with Graham, Membou and Walker. They’re all close enough to each other value wise that I could see going with position of greatest need as the tiebreaker. Campbell isn’t the sexy pick but he’s one I could see being a great fit in the long run. I’d much rather have Hunter or Carter but barring a trade-up it isn’t going to happen.
 
I’m making peace with this. I don’t think Campbell will end up being an elite NFL LT, but even if he’s just top 15 or so that is a big win for the Pats. We’ve seen this offseason just how hard it is to find LT help if you’re not getting one in the draft. I still think guys like Warren and Jeanty are technically the better players available after Hunter and Carter are off the board, but Campbell is part of that group with them along with Graham, Membou and Walker. They’re all close enough to each other value wise that I could see going with position of greatest need as the tiebreaker. Campbell isn’t the sexy pick but he’s one I could see being a great fit in the long run. I’d much rather have Hunter or Carter but barring a trade-up it isn’t going to happen.
Fine. I'd prefer a trade down but I'm also tired of complaining about the O-line.
Draft Campbell ... and I'm sure I will have no problem finding something else to complain about this season.
 
I’m making peace with this. I don’t think Campbell will end up being an elite NFL LT, but even if he’s just top 15 or so that is a big win for the Pats. We’ve seen this offseason just how hard it is to find LT help if you’re not getting one in the draft. I still think guys like Warren and Jeanty are technically the better players available after Hunter and Carter are off the board, but Campbell is part of that group with them along with Graham, Membou and Walker. They’re all close enough to each other value wise that I could see going with position of greatest need as the tiebreaker. Campbell isn’t the sexy pick but he’s one I could see being a great fit in the long run. I’d much rather have Hunter or Carter but barring a trade-up it isn’t going to happen.
Fine. I'd prefer a trade down but I'm also tired of complaining about the O-line.
Draft Campbell ... and I'm sure I will have no problem finding something else to complain about this season.
SF is actively looking to trade up into the top 5.

Trading back to #11 could be tough. Membou and Campbell could be gone.
 
I’m making peace with this. I don’t think Campbell will end up being an elite NFL LT, but even if he’s just top 15 or so that is a big win for the Pats. We’ve seen this offseason just how hard it is to find LT help if you’re not getting one in the draft. I still think guys like Warren and Jeanty are technically the better players available after Hunter and Carter are off the board, but Campbell is part of that group with them along with Graham, Membou and Walker. They’re all close enough to each other value wise that I could see going with position of greatest need as the tiebreaker. Campbell isn’t the sexy pick but he’s one I could see being a great fit in the long run. I’d much rather have Hunter or Carter but barring a trade-up it isn’t going to happen.
Fine. I'd prefer a trade down but I'm also tired of complaining about the O-line.
Draft Campbell ... and I'm sure I will have no problem finding something else to complain about this season.
SF is actively looking to trade up into the top 5.

Trading back to #11 could be tough. Membou and Campbell could be gone.

Here are the Niners 2025 picks:

 
I’m making peace with this. I don’t think Campbell will end up being an elite NFL LT, but even if he’s just top 15 or so that is a big win for the Pats. We’ve seen this offseason just how hard it is to find LT help if you’re not getting one in the draft. I still think guys like Warren and Jeanty are technically the better players available after Hunter and Carter are off the board, but Campbell is part of that group with them along with Graham, Membou and Walker. They’re all close enough to each other value wise that I could see going with position of greatest need as the tiebreaker. Campbell isn’t the sexy pick but he’s one I could see being a great fit in the long run. I’d much rather have Hunter or Carter but barring a trade-up it isn’t going to happen.
Fine. I'd prefer a trade down but I'm also tired of complaining about the O-line.
Draft Campbell ... and I'm sure I will have no problem finding something else to complain about this season.
SF is actively looking to trade up into the top 5.

Trading back to #11 could be tough. Membou and Campbell could be gone.

Here are the Niners 2025 picks:


I’d trade them the #4 (as long as Carter and Hunter are gone) for the #11 and #43 or the #11 and their 1st in 2026.
 
I’m making peace with this. I don’t think Campbell will end up being an elite NFL LT, but even if he’s just top 15 or so that is a big win for the Pats. We’ve seen this offseason just how hard it is to find LT help if you’re not getting one in the draft. I still think guys like Warren and Jeanty are technically the better players available after Hunter and Carter are off the board, but Campbell is part of that group with them along with Graham, Membou and Walker. They’re all close enough to each other value wise that I could see going with position of greatest need as the tiebreaker. Campbell isn’t the sexy pick but he’s one I could see being a great fit in the long run. I’d much rather have Hunter or Carter but barring a trade-up it isn’t going to happen.
Fine. I'd prefer a trade down but I'm also tired of complaining about the O-line.
Draft Campbell ... and I'm sure I will have no problem finding something else to complain about this season.
SF is actively looking to trade up into the top 5.

Trading back to #11 could be tough. Membou and Campbell could be gone.

Here are the Niners 2025 picks:


I’d trade them the #4 (as long as Carter and Hunter are gone) for the #11 and #43 or the #11 and their 1st in 2026.

I'm not comfortable moving from #4 to #11 for just a #2 that is the 10th pick in the second round...would need more then that IMO.
 
I’m making peace with this. I don’t think Campbell will end up being an elite NFL LT, but even if he’s just top 15 or so that is a big win for the Pats. We’ve seen this offseason just how hard it is to find LT help if you’re not getting one in the draft. I still think guys like Warren and Jeanty are technically the better players available after Hunter and Carter are off the board, but Campbell is part of that group with them along with Graham, Membou and Walker. They’re all close enough to each other value wise that I could see going with position of greatest need as the tiebreaker. Campbell isn’t the sexy pick but he’s one I could see being a great fit in the long run. I’d much rather have Hunter or Carter but barring a trade-up it isn’t going to happen.
Fine. I'd prefer a trade down but I'm also tired of complaining about the O-line.
Draft Campbell ... and I'm sure I will have no problem finding something else to complain about this season.
SF is actively looking to trade up into the top 5.

Trading back to #11 could be tough. Membou and Campbell could be gone.

Here are the Niners 2025 picks:


I’d trade them the #4 (as long as Carter and Hunter are gone) for the #11 and #43 or the #11 and their 1st in 2026.

I'm not comfortable moving from #4 to #11 for just a #2 that is the 10th pick in the second round...would need more then that IMO.
Local talking heads were saying the same thing. More compensation needed.
But I doubt SF would be willing to give up the #11 and next years 1st for whomever they're looking to draft "top 5" here. Not as if they are getting a franchise QB.
If NE did trade down to #11, are the next tier OT there not worthy? Ersery / Simmons / Conerly / Banks?
Another 2nd round pick would certainly help. They could use those two 2nds on just about any position of need ... or best players available.
 
I’m making peace with this. I don’t think Campbell will end up being an elite NFL LT, but even if he’s just top 15 or so that is a big win for the Pats. We’ve seen this offseason just how hard it is to find LT help if you’re not getting one in the draft. I still think guys like Warren and Jeanty are technically the better players available after Hunter and Carter are off the board, but Campbell is part of that group with them along with Graham, Membou and Walker. They’re all close enough to each other value wise that I could see going with position of greatest need as the tiebreaker. Campbell isn’t the sexy pick but he’s one I could see being a great fit in the long run. I’d much rather have Hunter or Carter but barring a trade-up it isn’t going to happen.
Fine. I'd prefer a trade down but I'm also tired of complaining about the O-line.
Draft Campbell ... and I'm sure I will have no problem finding something else to complain about this season.
SF is actively looking to trade up into the top 5.

Trading back to #11 could be tough. Membou and Campbell could be gone.

Here are the Niners 2025 picks:


I’d trade them the #4 (as long as Carter and Hunter are gone) for the #11 and #43 or the #11 and their 1st in 2026.

I'm not comfortable moving from #4 to #11 for just a #2 that is the 10th pick in the second round...would need more then that IMO.
Local talking heads were saying the same thing. More compensation needed.
But I doubt SF would be willing to give up the #11 and next years 1st for whomever they're looking to draft "top 5" here. Not as if they are getting a franchise QB.
If NE did trade down to #11, are the next tier OT there not worthy? Ersery / Simmons / Conerly / Banks?
Another 2nd round pick would certainly help. They could use those two 2nds on just about any position of need ... or best players available.

Basically what I was thinking, I’d take Banks, Warren, Tet and the #43 over Campbell pretty easily.
 
I’m making peace with this. I don’t think Campbell will end up being an elite NFL LT, but even if he’s just top 15 or so that is a big win for the Pats. We’ve seen this offseason just how hard it is to find LT help if you’re not getting one in the draft. I still think guys like Warren and Jeanty are technically the better players available after Hunter and Carter are off the board, but Campbell is part of that group with them along with Graham, Membou and Walker. They’re all close enough to each other value wise that I could see going with position of greatest need as the tiebreaker. Campbell isn’t the sexy pick but he’s one I could see being a great fit in the long run. I’d much rather have Hunter or Carter but barring a trade-up it isn’t going to happen.
Fine. I'd prefer a trade down but I'm also tired of complaining about the O-line.
Draft Campbell ... and I'm sure I will have no problem finding something else to complain about this season.
SF is actively looking to trade up into the top 5.

Trading back to #11 could be tough. Membou and Campbell could be gone.

Here are the Niners 2025 picks:


I’d trade them the #4 (as long as Carter and Hunter are gone) for the #11 and #43 or the #11 and their 1st in 2026.

I'm not comfortable moving from #4 to #11 for just a #2 that is the 10th pick in the second round...would need more then that IMO.
Local talking heads were saying the same thing. More compensation needed.
But I doubt SF would be willing to give up the #11 and next years 1st for whomever they're looking to draft "top 5" here. Not as if they are getting a franchise QB.
If NE did trade down to #11, are the next tier OT there not worthy? Ersery / Simmons / Conerly / Banks?
Another 2nd round pick would certainly help. They could use those two 2nds on just about any position of need ... or best players available.

Gotta believe San Fran has their eye on someone specific but agreed that since it is not a QB they won’t be getting another #1 in 2026 back…another second definitely helps but you now don’t control your own destiny as to who will be there at #11…I would like to see something else like a 2026 third added in as well…Simmons is kind of a wildcard especially since he is from OSU…he could be a nice pick at #11 but the fact he is coming off an ACL makes me nervous if you are moving out of #4.
 
I’m making peace with this. I don’t think Campbell will end up being an elite NFL LT, but even if he’s just top 15 or so that is a big win for the Pats. We’ve seen this offseason just how hard it is to find LT help if you’re not getting one in the draft. I still think guys like Warren and Jeanty are technically the better players available after Hunter and Carter are off the board, but Campbell is part of that group with them along with Graham, Membou and Walker. They’re all close enough to each other value wise that I could see going with position of greatest need as the tiebreaker. Campbell isn’t the sexy pick but he’s one I could see being a great fit in the long run. I’d much rather have Hunter or Carter but barring a trade-up it isn’t going to happen.
Fine. I'd prefer a trade down but I'm also tired of complaining about the O-line.
Draft Campbell ... and I'm sure I will have no problem finding something else to complain about this season.
SF is actively looking to trade up into the top 5.

Trading back to #11 could be tough. Membou and Campbell could be gone.

Here are the Niners 2025 picks:


I’d trade them the #4 (as long as Carter and Hunter are gone) for the #11 and #43 or the #11 and their 1st in 2026.

I'm not comfortable moving from #4 to #11 for just a #2 that is the 10th pick in the second round...would need more then that IMO.
Local talking heads were saying the same thing. More compensation needed.
But I doubt SF would be willing to give up the #11 and next years 1st for whomever they're looking to draft "top 5" here. Not as if they are getting a franchise QB.
If NE did trade down to #11, are the next tier OT there not worthy? Ersery / Simmons / Conerly / Banks?
Another 2nd round pick would certainly help. They could use those two 2nds on just about any position of need ... or best players available.

Gotta believe San Fran has their eye on someone specific but agreed that since it is not a QB they won’t be getting another #1 in 2026 back…another second definitely helps but you now don’t control your own destiny as to who will be there at #11…I would like to see something else like a 2026 third added in as well…Simmons is kind of a wildcard especially since he is from OSU…he could be a nice pick at #11 but the fact he is coming off an ACL makes me nervous if you are moving out of #4.

Personally think if you’re asking for more than the 43, you’re getting greedy. If there’s a guy who the Pats think is the man at #4, then all means take him but if they feel like most draft analysts, you can basically flip 4-11 around and not blink an eye.
 
I’m making peace with this. I don’t think Campbell will end up being an elite NFL LT, but even if he’s just top 15 or so that is a big win for the Pats. We’ve seen this offseason just how hard it is to find LT help if you’re not getting one in the draft. I still think guys like Warren and Jeanty are technically the better players available after Hunter and Carter are off the board, but Campbell is part of that group with them along with Graham, Membou and Walker. They’re all close enough to each other value wise that I could see going with position of greatest need as the tiebreaker. Campbell isn’t the sexy pick but he’s one I could see being a great fit in the long run. I’d much rather have Hunter or Carter but barring a trade-up it isn’t going to happen.
Fine. I'd prefer a trade down but I'm also tired of complaining about the O-line.
Draft Campbell ... and I'm sure I will have no problem finding something else to complain about this season.
SF is actively looking to trade up into the top 5.

Trading back to #11 could be tough. Membou and Campbell could be gone.

Here are the Niners 2025 picks:


I’d trade them the #4 (as long as Carter and Hunter are gone) for the #11 and #43 or the #11 and their 1st in 2026.

I'm not comfortable moving from #4 to #11 for just a #2 that is the 10th pick in the second round...would need more then that IMO.
Local talking heads were saying the same thing. More compensation needed.
But I doubt SF would be willing to give up the #11 and next years 1st for whomever they're looking to draft "top 5" here. Not as if they are getting a franchise QB.
If NE did trade down to #11, are the next tier OT there not worthy? Ersery / Simmons / Conerly / Banks?
Another 2nd round pick would certainly help. They could use those two 2nds on just about any position of need ... or best players available.

Gotta believe San Fran has their eye on someone specific but agreed that since it is not a QB they won’t be getting another #1 in 2026 back…another second definitely helps but you now don’t control your own destiny as to who will be there at #11…I would like to see something else like a 2026 third added in as well…Simmons is kind of a wildcard especially since he is from OSU…he could be a nice pick at #11 but the fact he is coming off an ACL makes me nervous if you are moving out of #4.

Personally think if you’re asking for more than the 43, you’re getting greedy. If there’s a guy who the Pats think is the man at #4, then all means take him but if they feel like most draft analysts, you can basically flip 4-11 around and not blink an eye.

This deal just doesn’t interest me…I would rather stay put and draft whoever you think the best player is be it Campbell, Walker or Warren or someone else…just not enough assets coming back to move out of a premium draft position.
 
Simmons is kind of a wildcard especially since he is from OSU…he could be a nice pick at #11 but the fact he is coming off an ACL makes me nervous if you are moving out of #4.
I can't say that I know the difference or the severity of either, but Simmons had a torn patellar tendon not a torn ACL. From what little discussion I've seen about it, the talk was that for giant size linemen, a torn patellar tendon is way worse, the recovery timeline a lot longer, and the chances of returning to 100% not as good. The thought was he was someone they probably should stay clear of . . . too risky.
 
Simmons is kind of a wildcard especially since he is from OSU…he could be a nice pick at #11 but the fact he is coming off an ACL makes me nervous if you are moving out of #4.
I can't say that I know the difference or the severity of either, but Simmons had a torn patellar tendon not a torn ACL. From what little discussion I've seen about it, the talk was that for giant size linemen, a torn patellar tendon is way worse, the recovery timeline a lot longer, and the chances of returning to 100% not as good. The thought was he was someone they probably should stay clear of . . . too risky.

Still scarred from Dominique Easley.
 
Simmons is kind of a wildcard especially since he is from OSU…he could be a nice pick at #11 but the fact he is coming off an ACL makes me nervous if you are moving out of #4.
I can't say that I know the difference or the severity of either, but Simmons had a torn patellar tendon not a torn ACL. From what little discussion I've seen about it, the talk was that for giant size linemen, a torn patellar tendon is way worse, the recovery timeline a lot longer, and the chances of returning to 100% not as good. The thought was he was someone they probably should stay clear of . . . too risky.

Still scarred from Dominique Easley.
That was a result of BB getting too cute with trying to buy low on a prospect who would've gone top 10 if healthy, and drinking too much of the Urban Meyer Kool-Aid.
 
Simmons is kind of a wildcard especially since he is from OSU…he could be a nice pick at #11 but the fact he is coming off an ACL makes me nervous if you are moving out of #4.
I can't say that I know the difference or the severity of either, but Simmons had a torn patellar tendon not a torn ACL. From what little discussion I've seen about it, the talk was that for giant size linemen, a torn patellar tendon is way worse, the recovery timeline a lot longer, and the chances of returning to 100% not as good. The thought was he was someone they probably should stay clear of . . . too risky.

Still scarred from Dominique Easley.
That was a result of BB getting too cute with trying to buy low on a prospect who would've gone top 10 if healthy, and drinking too much of the Urban Meyer Kool-Aid.

The funny part was most of Urban's boys did not pan out for BB.
 

Not sure how K. Miller ranked last year, but if things get sticky with him in LV I wonder if NE could swing a deal for him.

I may be wrong but I think he played under McDaniels.

Would give them more flexibility at 4.

With their cap space they could easily extend him...not sure if it is even a possibility but since this is what we do here we can speculate... getting him prior to the draft would totally change the complexion of that #4 pick.
 
You know, if Vrabel and company don't think W. Campbell is a slam dunk LT at #4 AND Hunter and Carter are gone AND they can't trade down why not...

...draft A. Jeanty?

They need playmakers. He's a playmaker.

Campbell's issues are well documented at this point. He has flaws. My question is, how much better is he really than say J. Connerly who should be available at pick 38? Again, if he's not a slam dunk at 4, why reach for him there?

By all accounts, Jeanty looks like the real deal. He's a tackle breaking machine who can take it to the house. He is one of the "blue chippers" in this draft along with Hunter and Carter.

People hated DET taking J. Gibbs early. That seems to have worked out well.

Having Maye and Jeanty on rookie deals the next few years would be delish.
 

Not sure how K. Miller ranked last year, but if things get sticky with him in LV I wonder if NE could swing a deal for him.

I may be wrong but I think he played under McDaniels.

Would give them more flexibility at 4.

With their cap space they could easily extend him...not sure if it is even a possibility but since this is what we do here we can speculate... getting him prior to the draft would totally change the complexion of that #4 pick.
Pie in the sky, California dreaming...
Former 1st rd pick that's been performing well. Raiders having no one to fill his position. Raiders aren't letting him go no matter how disgruntled he is.
This was click-bait. Nothing to see here.
 

Not sure how K. Miller ranked last year, but if things get sticky with him in LV I wonder if NE could swing a deal for him.

I may be wrong but I think he played under McDaniels.

Would give them more flexibility at 4.

With their cap space they could easily extend him...not sure if it is even a possibility but since this is what we do here we can speculate... getting him prior to the draft would totally change the complexion of that #4 pick.
Pie in the sky, California dreaming...
Former 1st rd pick that's been performing well. Raiders having no one to fill his position. Raiders aren't letting him go no matter how disgruntled he is.
This was click-bait. Nothing to see here.
... are you kidding me? ... I thought this was my idea and this comes up on my facebook feed;
Halfback Toss
 
Schefter has the asking price for Jeffrey Simmons at just a third round pick.
He's an excellent DT, one of Vrabel's favorites, a Walter Payton man of the year, but also 28 years old.

That is so low, in my opinion. I'm bothered by it.
 
You know, if Vrabel and company don't think W. Campbell is a slam dunk LT at #4 AND Hunter and Carter are gone AND they can't trade down why not...

...draft A. Jeanty?

They need playmakers. He's a playmaker.
Same reason most teams picking early shouldn't pick Jeanty- opportunity cost on a team not ready to compete.
 
Schefter has the asking price for Jeffrey Simmons at just a third round pick.
He's an excellent DT, one of Vrabel's favorites, a Walter Payton man of the year, but also 28 years old.

That is so low, in my opinion. I'm bothered by it.
Would make for quite the pricey D-line. AAVs of $21M for Barmore and $26M for Williams already. Simmons is at $23.5M (not sure what's left on his deal). $70M for 3 defensive linemen would be a big number. New England has cap room to burn. Seems like overkill given their dire need for help on offense.
 
Schefter has the asking price for Jeffrey Simmons at just a third round pick.
He's an excellent DT, one of Vrabel's favorites, a Walter Payton man of the year, but also 28 years old.

That is so low, in my opinion. I'm bothered by it.
Would make for quite the pricey D-line. AAVs of $21M for Barmore and $26M for Williams already. Simmons is at $23.5M (not sure what's left on his deal). $70M for 3 defensive linemen would be a big number. New England has cap room to burn. Seems like overkill given their dire need for help on offense.
That is expensive.

I don't know enough about Barmore and his blood clot issue and health. https://youtu.be/6Z3PUnJY_1A?si=SK6-yQGV0-7QTqCB these guys came up on my next video and say there were questionable reports at the Combine.

The Titans set records for injuries under Vrabel and he cut or they didn't re-sign several that "weren't available often enough."

Has he said anything about Barmore?

No one likes the paying injured players stuff.

A third round pick is low. That might be low enough to get Vrabel to have things covered and tolerate Barmore's "unavailability" or ...idk just guessing here.
 
Schefter has the asking price for Jeffrey Simmons at just a third round pick.
He's an excellent DT, one of Vrabel's favorites, a Walter Payton man of the year, but also 28 years old.

That is so low, in my opinion. I'm bothered by it.
Would make for quite the pricey D-line. AAVs of $21M for Barmore and $26M for Williams already. Simmons is at $23.5M (not sure what's left on his deal). $70M for 3 defensive linemen would be a big number. New England has cap room to burn. Seems like overkill given their dire need for help on offense.
That is expensive.

I don't know enough about Barmore and his blood clot issue and health. https://youtu.be/6Z3PUnJY_1A?si=SK6-yQGV0-7QTqCB these guys came up on my next video and say there were questionable reports at the Combine.

The Titans set records for injuries under Vrabel and he cut or they didn't re-sign several that "weren't available often enough."

Has he said anything about Barmore?

No one likes the paying injured players stuff.

A third round pick is low. That might be low enough to get Vrabel to have things covered and tolerate Barmore's "unavailability" or ...idk just guessing here.
The team hasn't said much about Barmore other than he is available to participate in their offseason. Vrabel mentioned he made an appearance a couple of weeks ago, but not much else was mentioned other than they were cautiously optimistic about him moving forward. There have been discussions among the talking heads whether he would be a good fit for what they want to run, whether he would fall victim to being the choice of a different coaching staff but not this one, and whether his health would continue to be an issue. Not sure there is a lot to go on when it comes to Barmore.
 
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