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Indefinite New York Jets Official thread - **2025 season** - The indefinite rebuild continues (2 Viewers)
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Chemical X
Footballguy
somehow, i always get sucked in spending $200 or so being out of market to watch this ****show. i swore off them during the wilson years, but it’s hard to remove 50 years of fandom. just a horribly managed organization from head to toe. usually, horribly coached. how this was their effort after a 10 day hiatus is all on saleh, whose time has come. in season changes are brutal and there really is no one to elevate. cause if saleh goes, hackett can’t be elevated. that leaves ulbrich? ugh. what a mess. at least it’s been fun watching reddick on the edge, ooops. and all i read and hear is that quinnen williams is all world and this and that. man, sometimes he just seems to be inactive to me. when they are being gashed in the run game, i don’t even notice him. lots of blame to go around, but there is no offensive imagination and i don’t think saleh understands that each game has both offense and defense, ala rex. but rex got 2 teams to the conf final.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Rodgers didn't look great but the team is still saddled with a high school level offensive system and play calling. Hackett has to be the first sacrificial lamb here even if it upsets King Aaron.
Crash Davis
Footballguy
Throwing to your D tackle in the red zone when you have Mike Williams, Wilson, Lazard and Hall as potential options along with just pounding a 235 lb RB through the line is unforgivable.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
He runs the least creative offense but tries to get cute when it matters. How do you not run Braelon Allen 3 straight times there, He was a beast yesterday.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Well I called it a trap game and man did they get caught into the trap. Perfect storm literally as it poured on all of us fans dumb enough to sit through one of the the worst game I can remember and thats saying something.
QB: I stayed to the bitter end because this is what Rodgers does - team plays awful and he finds a way to win it at the end. Not with the Jets. As in command as he looked last week he looked uncomfortable, out of synch and rattled. Cant blame the elements as the guy played a decade in Green Bay. Welcome to the Jets Aaron
OL - bad day - awful run blocking and let Rodgers get hit a ton. Denver has a decent D but that was awful job by the OL. Couldnt tell if the rookie was an issue but not good enough
RB: Hall looked slow and indecisive. Didnt get a lot to work with but dropped balls and looked completely out of sorts. Maybe the kid doing so well has given him the yips. As for Allen the kid looked awesome again and needs to see the ball more especially short yardage. Breece has trouble in sort years and as much as it will kill his fantasy value its time to let Allen take over that job
WR - GW blanketed by Surtain. Williams had a solid day and should only get better - but they need another weapon badly. While Lazard is functional he is not good and Gibson needs to ride pine - how bad can Corley be to be sitting behind this guy. They traded to the top of the 3rd for him and were chirping that they would have taken him in the 2d - then play him! Another indictment on JD
TE: Conklin showed his break out was 1 week only....Ruckert is not a bad blocking TE who can give you a once and while play
Def - cant complain - held them to 10 pts. Gotta win - loss on the O and coached
Coaches - All of us here said it from last year - this coaching staff isa the worst in the NFL. Literally awful. Saleh somehow never wins when he has extra time to prepare. Plays down to his competition. A slew of undisciplined penalties that he glosses over as self inflicted wounds that they need to work on - even Rodgers scoffed at that and said its time to hold people accountable for them - ya think? We were hoping Rodgers could rise above the coaching concerns - I dont think thats possible with the worst HC and OC in the league. Not sure where to go from here as Woody doesnt fire coaches in season and I cant see Rodgers wanting to fire him in season so here we are. Gotta cross fingers and hope for the best.
QB: I stayed to the bitter end because this is what Rodgers does - team plays awful and he finds a way to win it at the end. Not with the Jets. As in command as he looked last week he looked uncomfortable, out of synch and rattled. Cant blame the elements as the guy played a decade in Green Bay. Welcome to the Jets Aaron
OL - bad day - awful run blocking and let Rodgers get hit a ton. Denver has a decent D but that was awful job by the OL. Couldnt tell if the rookie was an issue but not good enough
RB: Hall looked slow and indecisive. Didnt get a lot to work with but dropped balls and looked completely out of sorts. Maybe the kid doing so well has given him the yips. As for Allen the kid looked awesome again and needs to see the ball more especially short yardage. Breece has trouble in sort years and as much as it will kill his fantasy value its time to let Allen take over that job
WR - GW blanketed by Surtain. Williams had a solid day and should only get better - but they need another weapon badly. While Lazard is functional he is not good and Gibson needs to ride pine - how bad can Corley be to be sitting behind this guy. They traded to the top of the 3rd for him and were chirping that they would have taken him in the 2d - then play him! Another indictment on JD
TE: Conklin showed his break out was 1 week only....Ruckert is not a bad blocking TE who can give you a once and while play
Def - cant complain - held them to 10 pts. Gotta win - loss on the O and coached
Coaches - All of us here said it from last year - this coaching staff isa the worst in the NFL. Literally awful. Saleh somehow never wins when he has extra time to prepare. Plays down to his competition. A slew of undisciplined penalties that he glosses over as self inflicted wounds that they need to work on - even Rodgers scoffed at that and said its time to hold people accountable for them - ya think? We were hoping Rodgers could rise above the coaching concerns - I dont think thats possible with the worst HC and OC in the league. Not sure where to go from here as Woody doesnt fire coaches in season and I cant see Rodgers wanting to fire him in season so here we are. Gotta cross fingers and hope for the best.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
This is the one I don't get. Conklin thrived with Zach under center. Got open short and bulled his way to nice gains. I thought Rodgers would LOVE this guy, but he's an afterthought,
Rodgers insists on making his boy Lazard the star of the offense - it's the last guy the offense should feature.
I know Rodgers gives us hope, and he's the best QB we've seen on this team in years but the guy has done just as much damage to this franchise as good with brining in his good ol' boy network, which includes the worst OC in the league.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
All good points - the worst is the team is in complete limbo with him. Seriously doubt that he'll want to start over with a new coaching staff so either he'll retire after one year and the team is stuck without a QB or we are stuck with his coaching band of misfits for yet another year. Perhaps he would come back if his buddy McCarthy gets fired by Dallas and comes in as OC or HC but then Jets are stuck with another lousy coach.
Doesnt seem to be a good way out of this mess so no choice but to root that Rodgers gets hot and carries this mess.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Yes, I really don't like much about him personally, but the team's success is tied to him so its not like I won't root for him.
He's held them hostage in many ways. I guess we should be grateful that Randall Cobb was so embarrassingly bad last year that even Rodgers couldn't get him another season or we would be dealing with that slug as well.
Lazard isn't horrible - and if Aaron wants to make him his go to guy on short third downs, that's fine - but he should be 4th option at best in the passing game.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
I actually thought the same on Sunday. Now Lazard is his go to guy? ugh. Yet we keep ignoring GW. Hard to fathom. Almost as much as not using Allen from the 1 yard line.
Are these coaches freaking idiots? yes, apparently so, but I/we have known this for a few seasons.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
To be fair - GW was Surtained and has been covered by some pretty good CBs that shut down a lot of top WRs. However - a good OC would find ways to get him the ball. Move him around/etc - OC just doesnt have any clue. I think GW gets hot in the next few games - if not hes costing himself a ton of $
TLEF316
Footballguy
i would be very surprised if Adams isnt a Jet in the next 2 weeks.
That being said....does it REALLY solve the problem? I dont think Garrett Wilson all of a sudden starts playing better once Aaron starts throwing all the balls to his BFF. Now, maybe those miscommunications that stalled out some drives on Sunday go away, which would obviously help.
But its still Hackett calling the plays and Saleh running things. And they still cant stop the run.
They're gonna do it and I'm not saying they shouldn't. I just dont think it gets us anywhere. Lack of pass catching options is not this team's problem.
Also just a horrible use of resources drafting Corley and signing Williams if this all goes down.
That being said....does it REALLY solve the problem? I dont think Garrett Wilson all of a sudden starts playing better once Aaron starts throwing all the balls to his BFF. Now, maybe those miscommunications that stalled out some drives on Sunday go away, which would obviously help.
But its still Hackett calling the plays and Saleh running things. And they still cant stop the run.
They're gonna do it and I'm not saying they shouldn't. I just dont think it gets us anywhere. Lack of pass catching options is not this team's problem.
Also just a horrible use of resources drafting Corley and signing Williams if this all goes down.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I’m sure Garrett Wilson will be so happy to sign an extension after they make him the #3 behind Adams and Lazard.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
speaking of Wilson - comments he made below were brutal and a complete indictment of the coaching staff. Things better change quick or he's going to check out mentally. If Devante comes it would likely help him a lot as he wont get as much attention. Wilson looking like a 1b rather than an alpha so far
"I don’t think we do a lot of different stuff to be honest. I watch football on Sundays and I see a lot of teams mix it up and stuff like that. I don’t think we do that. I think we know our identity. It’s just about going out and executing it or figuring out if it’s going to work. I don’t think we’re trying a lot of different things.
“I know, personally, my route tree hasn’t been what it has been the last two years as far as the stuff I’ve been running. It’s just about figuring out if it's the right identity and whether it’s going to win games.”
"I don’t think we do a lot of different stuff to be honest. I watch football on Sundays and I see a lot of teams mix it up and stuff like that. I don’t think we do that. I think we know our identity. It’s just about going out and executing it or figuring out if it’s going to work. I don’t think we’re trying a lot of different things.
“I know, personally, my route tree hasn’t been what it has been the last two years as far as the stuff I’ve been running. It’s just about figuring out if it's the right identity and whether it’s going to win games.”
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
we've been saying this for years in here, unfortunately.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
yep - but for a player - and one of the core ones at that - to say it is pretty impactful
zamboni
Footballguy
Maybe Elijah Moore was right in the first place. He has since seemed to check out as a player entirely, but looked really good as a rookie and got frustrated (probably too quickly).
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Probably correct but Elijah bad example - hes tanked even in Cleveland.
Jets have a history on not developing WRs - Corley is the newest indictment. They crowed about how he was the 4th best WR on their board and would have drafted him in the 2d rd yet he cant beat out an awful Gibson.
Im at the point where i think they are barely getting snaps off because Rodgers is vetoing several of the awful plays from the OC
zamboni
Footballguy
Agreed on Elijah not being the best example - I think he's just not into playing football but the main point about the development of WRs has been a longstanding issue. It's a diva position for the most part and when they're not being developed, many of them just check out.
Crash Davis
Footballguy
The Jets don't develop offensive skill players, period. QBs, WRs, TEs, RBs, none of them. We all live in the FF world, think of the last relevant Jets fantasy players that weren't imported as FAs? Pennington? Coles? Breece and GW5 were looking to be the exception to the rule, but now that's in question as well.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
That makes sense because the Jets always have a defensive coach/staff. The last full on offensive coach they had was Bruce freaking Coslet from 1993! The NFL has been an offensive league for decades and they keep going with defensive coaches. If this thing tanks Id love for them to get the Lions OC Johnson but doubt he would touch this dumpster fire.
Note - technically Kotite and Gase were offensive coaches but they were so putrid overall I cant even count them
NYRAGE
Footballguy
The players know the coaching is the problem e.g. comments by Rodgers and Wilson this week.
Hackett should be Rodgers's movie buddy, not his OC. I saw a play on third down when all three receivers basically ran into each other. They can't scheme anyone open. Every route is a struggle to get open in this design.
Then you have Saleh who is a charlatan, especially when it comes to the offense. His responses to whatever is asked by the press are terrible. He seems clueless and just spews out general cliches "we'll take a look at it and fix it". Yet it never gets fixed.
Even if we clean house with the coaching staff at the end of the year, who is coming to work for dopey Woody? Woody will just run Saleh out there again in a desperate hope to keep Rodgers around another year.
Hackett should be Rodgers's movie buddy, not his OC. I saw a play on third down when all three receivers basically ran into each other. They can't scheme anyone open. Every route is a struggle to get open in this design.
Then you have Saleh who is a charlatan, especially when it comes to the offense. His responses to whatever is asked by the press are terrible. He seems clueless and just spews out general cliches "we'll take a look at it and fix it". Yet it never gets fixed.
Even if we clean house with the coaching staff at the end of the year, who is coming to work for dopey Woody? Woody will just run Saleh out there again in a desperate hope to keep Rodgers around another year.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
If they dont make the playoffs even if Rodgers stays he may sign off on a coaching change - Saleh is a good salesman that got Rodgers here - but I dont think he knew how bad of a HC he was.
The questions is has JD done enough to survive and pick another HC if they fire Saleh. Im much more on t he fence with JD - has not been great but miles better than the last few GMs.....not saying much!
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I think JD has been better than average and it may be a case of “be careful what you wish for” for those wanting him out.
The team has talent - but the coaching has been quite bad. Personally I’d d give him one more coaching hire, but wouldn’t shed tears if they completely clean house including the GM position.
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
It has and always will be about the ownership, Woody seems fine from a distance, but he just does not have an understanding on who to hire. The sharpest owners across this league are shooting ducks in a Barrell year after year with the novice and naive ownership scattered across this league.
Cohen in 4 years (already 2 playoff appearances) has already changed the culture of the Mets, waiting out to hire the correct people and now he can sit back and write checks as needed based on the guidance of those he hired.
I never see this changing other than an anomaly year here or there when all stars must align.
It is what it is, I'll still watch and root for this team, but this team needs to really just luck into the correct GM/Coach combo despite the ownership.
Cohen in 4 years (already 2 playoff appearances) has already changed the culture of the Mets, waiting out to hire the correct people and now he can sit back and write checks as needed based on the guidance of those he hired.
I never see this changing other than an anomaly year here or there when all stars must align.
It is what it is, I'll still watch and root for this team, but this team needs to really just luck into the correct GM/Coach combo despite the ownership.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
The Woody debate is more complex in my eyes. Woody isnt cheap - he pays big contracts when needed and built a state of the art practice facility. He also is involved but mostly lets the football people do their thing. Problem is he picks bad football people. Jets went to back to back AFCCGs with Woody so its not like they cant win with him. All these great owners like Jones and Kraft look bad without a QB or stars as well - Woody is going nowhere and I dont think that limits them that much
zamboni
Footballguy
At least Sauce is having an All-Pro day
Chemical X
Footballguy
“maw, take ole robert out behind the shed….”
it’s time. can’t let this season get away with an entire season from saleh.
it’s time. can’t let this season get away with an entire season from saleh.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
and Rodgers.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
And Lazard.
zamboni
Footballguy
Leave it to the Jets for a teammate to knock Sauce out of the game with a potential concussion.
TLEF316
Footballguy
God....just SO much wrong with this team now.
Play calling is just awful.(And Rodgers doesn't have enough time at the LOS to audible out of Hackett's horrible calls) Can't run OR pass block now (even Tyron Smith is getting beat) . Breece a total non factor as a result. Rodgers and Wilson aren't even in the same library, let alone on the same page. Lazard presumably the only one who SORTA knows what Rodgers is doing out there....but he can't catch.
Rodgers banged up AND making bad mental mistakes. And oh yeah, now Sauce is getting called for PI.
Adams doesn't fix this.
Play calling is just awful.(And Rodgers doesn't have enough time at the LOS to audible out of Hackett's horrible calls) Can't run OR pass block now (even Tyron Smith is getting beat) . Breece a total non factor as a result. Rodgers and Wilson aren't even in the same library, let alone on the same page. Lazard presumably the only one who SORTA knows what Rodgers is doing out there....but he can't catch.
Rodgers banged up AND making bad mental mistakes. And oh yeah, now Sauce is getting called for PI.
Adams doesn't fix this.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Jet’s are in a world of trouble right now. Three out of the next four are Bill’s, Steelers, Texans. Jobs are about to be lost with no future at the league’s most valuable position.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Jefferson was getting a lot of calls. I’m not saying there was no contact but some of them were as you said super soft.
That said the entire team is a mess right now. Nothing positive at all really, other than they at least fought back a little.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Its Nathaniel Hackett. Nobody should be surprised.
Chemical X
Footballguy
is this considered a red shirt season for breece hall? i was so excited we actually had this guy as a rookie. of course he died and then became blair thomas (happy bday blair!).
TLEF316
Footballguy
I mean....we all knew this would be the deal. They went all in on Rodgers and if they dont make the playoffs (a pipe dream at this point based on performances....but they're still only 1 game out in the division and 2 of their losses are to the NFC) everyone is gone.
From a QB standpoint...yeah they're likely in purgatory....but again, we knew that would be the case. They obviously threw a dart at Jordan Travis late in the draft (and he likely would have been a MUCH higher pick if he was healthy) but you obviously can't count on him panning out. It was a serious injury and nobody knows how he'll recover. He's not untalented though.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
What a disaster. We all knew the coaching staff was awful but hoped Rodgers would be good enough to overcome....he's not
QB: Rodgers looked old and a gimpy. Never thought Id see Arod throw 3 awful picks and a ton of other lousy passes but the way he was getting hit you cant blame him too much
OL - besides the coaching staff the OL has been the biggest culprit. Another week of zero running push and now open season on Rodgers. A healthy Smith was supposed to be all world. Olu was supposed to be a blue chip OL. This looks bad and could get worse
RB - Breece has gone for all world weapon to completely predictable runs and stuffed behind the line. Allen's going from huge potential rookie to running up the middle all the time. Dont get me wrong both RBs were mid but I blame the OL and coaching more at this point
WR - Whats the point of even bringing in Devante? Wilson rebounded as predicted but 22 targets for 100 yds? awful. MWill completely absent from game plan. Corley inactive. Gibson underwhelming again
TE: Conklin flips decent game vs invisible - this was his decent game but still meh
Defense - cant criticize too much as they played solid and didnt let up many points despite Sauce looking lost and playing vs the refs.
Coaching - Woody wont fire Saleh in season and Im not sure what it would even accomplish. The time to do that was last offseason but they doubled down. This is without a doubt the worst coaching staff in the NFL. Not much more to say
All that being said - if they win Monday vs Buffalo - who have a lot of their own issues - they will be in 1st place and a lot of the chatter would die down so its now or never
QB: Rodgers looked old and a gimpy. Never thought Id see Arod throw 3 awful picks and a ton of other lousy passes but the way he was getting hit you cant blame him too much
OL - besides the coaching staff the OL has been the biggest culprit. Another week of zero running push and now open season on Rodgers. A healthy Smith was supposed to be all world. Olu was supposed to be a blue chip OL. This looks bad and could get worse
RB - Breece has gone for all world weapon to completely predictable runs and stuffed behind the line. Allen's going from huge potential rookie to running up the middle all the time. Dont get me wrong both RBs were mid but I blame the OL and coaching more at this point
WR - Whats the point of even bringing in Devante? Wilson rebounded as predicted but 22 targets for 100 yds? awful. MWill completely absent from game plan. Corley inactive. Gibson underwhelming again
TE: Conklin flips decent game vs invisible - this was his decent game but still meh
Defense - cant criticize too much as they played solid and didnt let up many points despite Sauce looking lost and playing vs the refs.
Coaching - Woody wont fire Saleh in season and Im not sure what it would even accomplish. The time to do that was last offseason but they doubled down. This is without a doubt the worst coaching staff in the NFL. Not much more to say
All that being said - if they win Monday vs Buffalo - who have a lot of their own issues - they will be in 1st place and a lot of the chatter would die down so its now or never
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Listening to sports radio announcers howling that Jets took the short cut and need to draft and develop a QB the right way - problem is theyve shown time and time again they cant do that. If/when this fails - when the dust clears they will have no choice but to draft a QB - theyll have to finally draft a legit offensive coach and try to get lucky yet again. This is the future whether next year or year after
However - with all this disaster they win next Monday and much is forgiven for a while.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I suspect the Jets will stay in the division and playoff race, but unless somehow another switch is flipped (and with this coaching staff there’s little chance of that) this is a fringe, one and done, playoff team at best.
A win against the Bills gives a little hope but would we really expect them to build on that or remain inconsistent?
A win against the Bills gives a little hope but would we really expect them to build on that or remain inconsistent?
NYRAGE
Footballguy
The line is the most disappointing aspect. We all know the coaching is terrible, but we thought the o-line would be better.
Smith has not looked good at all. Fashanu has not looked good at RT. I haven't looked at PFF lately, but I keep seeing pressure up the middle, but they have ranked Tippman pretty high. Maybe it's just that they are pretty high when they do these rankings.
People were giving Simpson all kinds of props for getting into the face of one defender last week (big deal), but he is extremely friendly to every other defender coming through the line.
We get no push on running plays. It doesn't help that the defense knows what is coming from these simpleton-designed plays. They just sit there and run blitz to hit our runners in the backfield. I'm not getting on the case of Hall or Allen until we see even average blocking and play-calling.
Even the bad o-line doesn't excuse Rodgers. He was god-awful yesterday. We have to call it like it is.
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
Joe D has had 6 years to work on this O-line...
(what was stunning from the broadcast is all 5 o-line on the Vikings were home grown drafted. Incredible)
Looking more and more like a full reset again at years end..
we shall see.. tough sledding right now
(what was stunning from the broadcast is all 5 o-line on the Vikings were home grown drafted. Incredible)
Looking more and more like a full reset again at years end..
we shall see.. tough sledding right now
NYRAGE
Footballguy
One thing I told friends back in week 1 was that we must have the worst blocking TEs in the league. If (and I don't recommend it) you go back and watch yesterday's game again, you will puke watching our TEs miss almost every block terribly. I'm sure there are several clips on Twitter about it by now. Just go look if you dare. That Bates kid from Chicago might be the very worst of all of them. We were hit in the backfield all of the time.
Rest assured, Saleh says we'll take a look at it and all will be well again.
Rest assured, Saleh says we'll take a look at it and all will be well again.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
The Bills are in big trouble also. I think the Jets will be in first place by next week.
Looks like a good game to bet the under.
Looks like a good game to bet the under.