Chemical X
Footballguy
the defense needs lots of help. just shows you how short on talent they are after the douglas error era.
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Indefinite New York Jets Official thread - **2025 season** - The indefinite rebuild continues (10 Viewers)
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sheerterror
Footballguy
Am I the only one that would be intrigued with picking Sanders here?
::ducks::
::ducks::
Crash Davis
Footballguy
I think he gets picked by either the Browns or Saints before the Jets get that chance, but if he was there I could see them strongly considering it.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
No, I've seen one other guy mention it. Ha.
Seriously, Sanders is like the poster child for a player Glenn wouldn't even want in the 5th round.
Crash Davis
Footballguy
You are probably right about that. Similar to them not wanting anything to do with Rodgers they wouldn't want the Deion/Shedeur circus on their hands either. Especially since they've already committed to Fields as the starter. At a certain point the value/risk proposition is going to be intriguing for QB needy teams though.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
For sure, but I'm pretty sure it won't be us.
I personally like Higgins, the WR from Iowa State. Good size on him.
I could see them targeting Taylor the TE. There is some depth at TE, but I'm not sure how ready any of these guys are. They seem to all need some development.
Emmanworri is interesting if we go defense. I'm sure Glenn is probably salivating at the thought of him. Watts is another Safety that I think Glenn would like.
rockaction
Footballguy
Membou! I picked him for the Jets in our mock draft we did a few weeks ago. I took Mason Taylor in the second because there weren't any WRs I liked and I waited until the third to pick one.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
What are the winning lotto tickets tomorrow?
rockaction
Footballguy
No ****, huh? I'm bummed though. I wanted Sanders when he fell. It's a second round pick and I'm not a scout, but Taylor doesn't have the upside a QB that was supposed to go in the first like Sanders has. They must have hated his pocket presence and figured they couldn't coach the drifting out of him. I dunno.
But yeah, hoist one for me, RAGE. Good to see you around.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I was kind of surprised they didn’t take a chance in Round 3. At that point it’s worth it to kick the tires. I’m a Fields supporter so I don’t totally mind but I would have been good with it at that point.
Then again Cleveland passed a few times and the Steelers just did as well. Kind of odd.
rockaction
Footballguy
I was just telling somebody that there's something clearly wrong with his interviews or his father and his situation. I'm not shocked or anything, but I'm trying to think of how all the draft guys could be so wrong.
Chemical X
Footballguy
i am hoping the jets finally unlock the mystery of the drafted TE. every time i hear them draft a TE i feel a little chill come across the room.
Chemical X
Footballguy
i’m thinking stephens is moving to S, but $12mm per for a S seems high. i’ll trust Glenn with the DBs though.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
A few had decent but short careers (Johnny Mitchell, Dustin Keller) - but yeah, like QBs their TE development has been poor.
Guess we can say that about most positions.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I was thinking it was possible for the Jets to finish second in the Division this season, if Miami started selling off their stars, but man I like what New England is doing this offseason (I know they had a lot of money to spend). They’ve done real well in the draft also.
Don’t rule out New England actually winning the division (I just puked in my mouth a little) if Maye takes the next step. He looked very good as a rookie.
Don’t rule out New England actually winning the division (I just puked in my mouth a little) if Maye takes the next step. He looked very good as a rookie.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
The fact that the Pats have already ripped it down....found a franchise QB and solid HC this quick is truly agonizing
Kiddnets
Footballguy
im questioning this as well - they are locked into Stephens and Michael Carter for 2 yrs - why spend a high 3rd on a CB then....maybe Sauce has indicated hes not extending or asking for way too much. Stephens to safety doesnt make much sense with that contract. I also trust AG with CBs - maybe the value was just too high.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I’ll take a speed WR from Georgia.
RC94
Footballguy
Not thrilled about a track star who can't catch.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
It’s late in the draft. There aren’t complete players left and the Jets don’t have a field stretcher.
zamboni
Footballguy
Do we really know he can’t catch or is that just a few scouting reports? Hands can improve with work, I suppose.
RC94
Footballguy
I agree about the general need, but not about this specific player. There are others who would have been better IMO.
RC94
Footballguy
Sure, I suppose it can. It needs to if he wants to play much of a role.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
It's hard being a Jets fan these days..well, more than ever. The fanbase is so negative and toxic. Try reading about the draft on other message boards or social media. Complete sewer. Everyone with pre-draft narratives and ready to complain.
Membou - solidifies the o-line. Very young.
Taylor - should be a solid starting TE for several years. Less Ruckert is a win. Our TEs missed so many blocking assignments and had no athletic ability.
Thomas - seems like a future starter. Perfect for the AG/Wilks system and was great value in the third.
Smith - Deserves the criticism. Great speed, but too many drops. Were there better receivers on the board? Looked that way and that they reached, but they wanted speed. Fields can fling it deep. Let's hope this guy does a lot of work with the Juggs machine. At least the occasional deep pass will do wonders for the offense as defenses will attempt to stop our run attack. At least it should be better than Rodgers never throwing deeper than 10-15 yards.
Moore - Smart safety from a great program that has a chance to start. Just has to beat out Adams. Realistically, it shouldn't be too hard to win that job or at the least, play in a rotation.
Mauigoa - LB depth and special teams.
Barron - underrated edge depth and special teamer.
Could have gotten a better WR and drafted a DT, but first 2 rounds provided 2 starters and probably another 2 starters at some point. I don't think we can complain too much. Lots of wait and see as usual.
Membou - solidifies the o-line. Very young.
Taylor - should be a solid starting TE for several years. Less Ruckert is a win. Our TEs missed so many blocking assignments and had no athletic ability.
Thomas - seems like a future starter. Perfect for the AG/Wilks system and was great value in the third.
Smith - Deserves the criticism. Great speed, but too many drops. Were there better receivers on the board? Looked that way and that they reached, but they wanted speed. Fields can fling it deep. Let's hope this guy does a lot of work with the Juggs machine. At least the occasional deep pass will do wonders for the offense as defenses will attempt to stop our run attack. At least it should be better than Rodgers never throwing deeper than 10-15 yards.
Moore - Smart safety from a great program that has a chance to start. Just has to beat out Adams. Realistically, it shouldn't be too hard to win that job or at the least, play in a rotation.
Mauigoa - LB depth and special teams.
Barron - underrated edge depth and special teamer.
Could have gotten a better WR and drafted a DT, but first 2 rounds provided 2 starters and probably another 2 starters at some point. I don't think we can complain too much. Lots of wait and see as usual.
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NYRAGE
Footballguy
Interesting to see the contrast of opinions on our draft by "analysts" vs fans.
Fans (outside of this forum) are feeling negative about our draft mostly because they reached one WR and didn't draft a DT.
Analysts draft grades are very positive ranging from A to the worst I've seen was a B by Kiper. Albeit, draft grades are pretty meaningless at this point, but hey it's part of the football draft cycle.
If you really want to see how some non-fans view our draft, go to Walter football. https://walterfootball.com/nfldraftgradesteam.php Walter C has always despised the Jets with a passion (Dolphins fan I think), but even he gave it an "A".
Personally, I was hoping for some combo of OT-TE-WR in the draft. I would have liked HIggins in the second or K Williams in the third. Both went a few picks before our selection. We needed a TE, so I'm ok with taking Taylor in the second.
Maybe we should have traded up in the third for Williams, but I can see the value in drafting Thomas in the third round even if CB wasn't a need right now. I guess we have to look at the big picture. We're not competing for the Super Bowl next year, so maybe Thomas provides more long term value.
I do get the criticisms by the fans though. WR2 still looks like a need. I don't think we're going to throw that much, so I guess we can get by this season and draft a WR next year. Maybe we sign someone like Cooper.
As far as not drafting a DT, we had too many needs to take one with the top 3 picks.
Were any of those DTs in the 4th round any better than the guys we have on the roster already? We added some rotational DT fatties to stop the run. None look great, but still better than what we had last year. Maybe Leonard Taylor who looked pretty decent last year is ready for the next step.
Personally, I'd like to give the new coach/gm a chance to see what they did with those 4-6th round picks before complaining about them. I saw some article that only 20% of third rounders become quality players. It was 10% of less starting in the 4th round, so if these guys don't pan out, it's probably much ado about nothing.
If we get 3 starters and a couple of contributors, then it was a good draft. Let's see if we add any other free agents now that there is no draft compensatory component to signing them.
Fans (outside of this forum) are feeling negative about our draft mostly because they reached one WR and didn't draft a DT.
Analysts draft grades are very positive ranging from A to the worst I've seen was a B by Kiper. Albeit, draft grades are pretty meaningless at this point, but hey it's part of the football draft cycle.
If you really want to see how some non-fans view our draft, go to Walter football. https://walterfootball.com/nfldraftgradesteam.php Walter C has always despised the Jets with a passion (Dolphins fan I think), but even he gave it an "A".
Personally, I was hoping for some combo of OT-TE-WR in the draft. I would have liked HIggins in the second or K Williams in the third. Both went a few picks before our selection. We needed a TE, so I'm ok with taking Taylor in the second.
Maybe we should have traded up in the third for Williams, but I can see the value in drafting Thomas in the third round even if CB wasn't a need right now. I guess we have to look at the big picture. We're not competing for the Super Bowl next year, so maybe Thomas provides more long term value.
I do get the criticisms by the fans though. WR2 still looks like a need. I don't think we're going to throw that much, so I guess we can get by this season and draft a WR next year. Maybe we sign someone like Cooper.
As far as not drafting a DT, we had too many needs to take one with the top 3 picks.
Were any of those DTs in the 4th round any better than the guys we have on the roster already? We added some rotational DT fatties to stop the run. None look great, but still better than what we had last year. Maybe Leonard Taylor who looked pretty decent last year is ready for the next step.
Personally, I'd like to give the new coach/gm a chance to see what they did with those 4-6th round picks before complaining about them. I saw some article that only 20% of third rounders become quality players. It was 10% of less starting in the 4th round, so if these guys don't pan out, it's probably much ado about nothing.
If we get 3 starters and a couple of contributors, then it was a good draft. Let's see if we add any other free agents now that there is no draft compensatory component to signing them.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I think he signed with Buffalo.
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
can't fix it all in one off-season, I am in the camp of waiting to see what kind of Defense and Offense is run before we get too nuts on 4-6th rd picks. The first 3 rds all seemed like good value, but the proof is on the field. I gotta believe they are looking for a "type" of player in creating a team identity and culture. Let's see how it goes. I do love the draft, but with all these mock drafter analysts out there is a bit of group think that settles in and analyzing names for 12 months and perceived value warps opinions a lot. Shocked to see Walter Football love this draft, he has hates most Jets picks for years.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Amari looked like toast last year - but hes still a FA. Dallas is sniffing around.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
agreed - i focus on the 1st 3 picks. 1st rder should be a plug in starter. 2d rder should be starter in a rotation at least. 3rd should be getting decent PT in some way....rest are ST and dice rolls.
Membou is def starting RT.....dont see how Taylor doesnt beat out a very poor TE room and the new CB should be in a rotation at the very least - if others step up as reserve/ST thats a solid class.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
they must have known this was coming - would have liked them to have picked another QB project at some point. next year i suppose
NYRAGE
Footballguy
Didn't his agent blame the Jets for rushing him back?
Sucks that he didn't get a chance to see if he could make it in the NFL, but he was a flyer at best.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Yeah, he said something about them pushing him too hard or messing up his rehab in some way.
Could certainly see some sort of lawsuit coming down the pipeline at some point as a result.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Allen Lazard is in play for the Steelers
Rodgers could be getting part of the band back together.
www.nbcsports.com
Fleece them - which would be a 2026 day 3 pick! lol
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Ha. Honestly I don’t get why the Steelers or Rodgers would want him - but I’m also not sure the Jets can afford to give any WRs away.Allen Lazard is in play for the Steelers
Rodgers could be getting part of the band back together.
Fleece them - which would be a 2026 day 3 pick! lol
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Sadly you are correct - they are so thin they should probably keep him - but if Rodgers pushes for him and they can get a 3rd rder id go for it - for that return Id rather give the spot to one of the kids and see if they sink or swim - Corley or the 4th rounder - we know what Lazard can do.Ha. Honestly I don’t get why the Steelers or Rodgers would want him - but I’m also not sure the Jets can afford to give any WRs away.Allen Lazard is in play for the Steelers
Rodgers could be getting part of the band back together.
Fleece them - which would be a 2026 day 3 pick! lol
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Sadly you are correct - they are so thin they should probably keep him - but if Rodgers pushes for him and they can get a 3rd rder id go for it - for that return Id rather give the spot to one of the kids and see if they sink or swim - Corley or the 4th rounder - we know what Lazard can do.Ha. Honestly I don’t get why the Steelers or Rodgers would want him - but I’m also not sure the Jets can afford to give any WRs away.Allen Lazard is in play for the Steelers
Rodgers could be getting part of the band back together.
Fleece them - which would be a 2026 day 3 pick! lol
Yes if Pittsburgh was to offer a third, later Lazard. The other vets they signed are no worse than Lazard really
Since Pitt paid a 2nd for Metcalf and only got a 3rd for Pickens, I don't see how Lazard returns a 3rd though.
rockaction
Footballguy
Sadly you are correct - they are so thin they should probably keep him - but if Rodgers pushes for him and they can get a 3rd rder id go for it - for that return Id rather give the spot to one of the kids and see if they sink or swim - Corley or the 4th rounder - we know what Lazard can do.Ha. Honestly I don’t get why the Steelers or Rodgers would want him - but I’m also not sure the Jets can afford to give any WRs away.Allen Lazard is in play for the Steelers
Rodgers could be getting part of the band back together.
Fleece them - which would be a 2026 day 3 pick! lol
Yes if Pittsburgh was to offer a third, later Lazard. The other vets they signed are no worse than Lazard really
Since Pitt paid a 2nd for Metcalf and only got a 3rd for Pickens, I don't see how Lazard returns a 3rd though.
Yeah, I think if the Jets got anything and also convinced the Steelers to take his salary then the Jets would jump.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
His salary was slashed to $2M with only$1.75M guaranteed - pretty cheap for a vet like Lazard. Gotta get a 3rd to make it worth while which I realize is ridiculousSadly you are correct - they are so thin they should probably keep him - but if Rodgers pushes for him and they can get a 3rd rder id go for it - for that return Id rather give the spot to one of the kids and see if they sink or swim - Corley or the 4th rounder - we know what Lazard can do.Ha. Honestly I don’t get why the Steelers or Rodgers would want him - but I’m also not sure the Jets can afford to give any WRs away.Allen Lazard is in play for the Steelers
Rodgers could be getting part of the band back together.
Fleece them - which would be a 2026 day 3 pick! lol
Yes if Pittsburgh was to offer a third, later Lazard. The other vets they signed are no worse than Lazard really
Since Pitt paid a 2nd for Metcalf and only got a 3rd for Pickens, I don't see how Lazard returns a 3rd though.
Yeah, I think if the Jets got anything and also convinced the Steelers to take his salary then the Jets would jump.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
It's easy to feel skeptical knowing our track record, but reports out of rookie camp are glowing.
Surprisingly, the best reports are about Arian Smith. Nick Faria compared him to Deshaun Jackson they was he ran routes and then exploded past defenders after catching the ball. Glenn was ga-ga talking about him. Blazing speed. His hands were pretty good in camp, but he acknowledges that he must focus better and improve his catching.
Mason Taylor looks very good. Catching everything away from his body and making moves after the catch. Reporters that saw rookie camp think he has more upside than he showed in college.
Nick Faria says that Tyler Baron is very underrated and looks bigger than expected. Looked great in camp and thinks at some point he will fill the JFM role.
Membou looked good and fluid.
Donavan Edwards have been the best performer in rookie camp. Every beat reporter said that he looked incredible. Maybe he was playing hurt the last year or so. All reports was that he looked like the 2022 version. It's a crowded RB room, but maybe they keep 4 guys.
Most importantly, everyone is raving about coach Glenn. He's spending a lot of time with the offense rotating with all the position groups. Lots of players are talking about how great Glenn is.
Glenn is constantly communicating with the players and also holding them accountable when they aren't using the techniques they have been taught in camp.
It almost feels like I am the head of the propaganda department here, but everyone is raving about the Jets so far. I don't know how it will translate to wins, but the vibes are great for a change. Things are being done professionally and without the typical drama.
Surprisingly, the best reports are about Arian Smith. Nick Faria compared him to Deshaun Jackson they was he ran routes and then exploded past defenders after catching the ball. Glenn was ga-ga talking about him. Blazing speed. His hands were pretty good in camp, but he acknowledges that he must focus better and improve his catching.
Mason Taylor looks very good. Catching everything away from his body and making moves after the catch. Reporters that saw rookie camp think he has more upside than he showed in college.
Nick Faria says that Tyler Baron is very underrated and looks bigger than expected. Looked great in camp and thinks at some point he will fill the JFM role.
Membou looked good and fluid.
Donavan Edwards have been the best performer in rookie camp. Every beat reporter said that he looked incredible. Maybe he was playing hurt the last year or so. All reports was that he looked like the 2022 version. It's a crowded RB room, but maybe they keep 4 guys.
Most importantly, everyone is raving about coach Glenn. He's spending a lot of time with the offense rotating with all the position groups. Lots of players are talking about how great Glenn is.
Glenn is constantly communicating with the players and also holding them accountable when they aren't using the techniques they have been taught in camp.
It almost feels like I am the head of the propaganda department here, but everyone is raving about the Jets so far. I don't know how it will translate to wins, but the vibes are great for a change. Things are being done professionally and without the typical drama.
sheerterror
Footballguy
But do we have any cool slogans yet?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Jets @ Steelers Week 1.
Obvious interpretation is Fields and Rodgers facing their former teams.
That could either go great or be another Jets embarrassment.
Obvious interpretation is Fields and Rodgers facing their former teams.
That could either go great or be another Jets embarrassment.