Ingram in ppr leagues (1 Viewer)

[BuckeyeChaos]

I keep seeing people moving up the WRs over Ingram on these boards often citing ppr as a reason. I can't help but wonder if this is some elaborate smoke screen. First of all Ingram is going to be very productive as a reciever (great route running and soft hands). Second of all, at least in our scoring, the #10 WR scores about the same as the #20 RB and it gets significantly worse after that. You cannot guarantee that Green or Jones will even be perenial top 10s. In fact it is much harder (for me at least) to predict WR success than RB success. I have more confidence in selecting Ingram #1 than AJ Green (don't get me wrong, I love Green).

All Ingram has done is be dominant in the SEC, no small feat. Tough to tackle, lots of yac. Great vision and burst even though he lacks tru elite breakaway speed. Great pass catching ability. Three likely destinations are Miami, NE and NO. Not bad there.

I can't imagine not taking him #1

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I keep seeing people moving up the WRs over Ingram on these boards often citing ppr as a reason. I can't help but wonder if this is some elaborate smoke screen. First of all Ingram is going to be very productive as a reciever (great route running and soft hands). Second of all, at least in our scoring, the #10 WR scores about the same as the #20 RB and it gets significantly worse after that. You cannot guarantee that Green or Jones will even be perenial top 10s. In fact it is much harder (for me at least) to predict WR success than RB success. I have more confidence in selecting Ingram #1 than AJ Green (don't get me wrong, I love Green).All Ingram has done is be dominant in the SEC, no small feat. Tough to tackle, lots of yac. Great vision and burst even though he lacks tru elite breakaway speed. Great pass catching ability. Three likely destinations are Miami, NE and NO. Not bad there.I can't imagine not taking him #1

I would rather draft LeShoure before Ingram. I would also take the two WRs over Ingram in a PPR league. I don't think Ingram is as good as his college stats indicate, not to mention the issue with the knee and his lack of speed. I do believe that Alabama team in 2009 was one hell of a team however

 

[Boom Switch]

I keep seeing people moving up the WRs over Ingram on these boards often citing ppr as a reason. I can't help but wonder if this is some elaborate smoke screen. First of all Ingram is going to be very productive as a reciever (great route running and soft hands). Second of all, at least in our scoring, the #10 WR scores about the same as the #20 RB and it gets significantly worse after that. You cannot guarantee that Green or Jones will even be perenial top 10s. In fact it is much harder (for me at least) to predict WR success than RB success. I have more confidence in selecting Ingram #1 than AJ Green (don't get me wrong, I love Green).All Ingram has done is be dominant in the SEC, no small feat. Tough to tackle, lots of yac. Great vision and burst even though he lacks tru elite breakaway speed. Great pass catching ability. Three likely destinations are Miami, NE and NO. Not bad there.I can't imagine not taking him #1

I would rather draft LeShoure before Ingram.

Bet you wouldnt take Leshoure over Ingram if lets say the Titans draft him.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I keep seeing people moving up the WRs over Ingram on these boards often citing ppr as a reason. I can't help but wonder if this is some elaborate smoke screen. First of all Ingram is going to be very productive as a reciever (great route running and soft hands). Second of all, at least in our scoring, the #10 WR scores about the same as the #20 RB and it gets significantly worse after that. You cannot guarantee that Green or Jones will even be perenial top 10s. In fact it is much harder (for me at least) to predict WR success than RB success. I have more confidence in selecting Ingram #1 than AJ Green (don't get me wrong, I love Green).All Ingram has done is be dominant in the SEC, no small feat. Tough to tackle, lots of yac. Great vision and burst even though he lacks tru elite breakaway speed. Great pass catching ability. Three likely destinations are Miami, NE and NO. Not bad there.I can't imagine not taking him #1

I would rather draft LeShoure before Ingram.

Bet you wouldnt take Leshoure over Ingram if lets say the Titans draft him.

Got me there. Of course I wouldn't, that's a given. I would probably take Ryan Williams.

 

[Go deep]

I keep seeing people moving up the WRs over Ingram on these boards often citing ppr as a reason. I can't help but wonder if this is some elaborate smoke screen. First of all Ingram is going to be very productive as a reciever (great route running and soft hands). Second of all, at least in our scoring, the #10 WR scores about the same as the #20 RB and it gets significantly worse after that. You cannot guarantee that Green or Jones will even be perenial top 10s. In fact it is much harder (for me at least) to predict WR success than RB success. I have more confidence in selecting Ingram #1 than AJ Green (don't get me wrong, I love Green).All Ingram has done is be dominant in the SEC, no small feat. Tough to tackle, lots of yac. Great vision and burst even though he lacks tru elite breakaway speed. Great pass catching ability. Three likely destinations are Miami, NE and NO. Not bad there.I can't imagine not taking him #1

I would rather draft LeShoure before Ingram.

Bet you wouldnt take Leshoure over Ingram if lets say the Titans draft him.

Nobody will be drafting Leshoure over Ingram by the time their rookie drafts come around.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I keep seeing people moving up the WRs over Ingram on these boards often citing ppr as a reason. I can't help but wonder if this is some elaborate smoke screen. First of all Ingram is going to be very productive as a reciever (great route running and soft hands). Second of all, at least in our scoring, the #10 WR scores about the same as the #20 RB and it gets significantly worse after that. You cannot guarantee that Green or Jones will even be perenial top 10s. In fact it is much harder (for me at least) to predict WR success than RB success. I have more confidence in selecting Ingram #1 than AJ Green (don't get me wrong, I love Green).All Ingram has done is be dominant in the SEC, no small feat. Tough to tackle, lots of yac. Great vision and burst even though he lacks tru elite breakaway speed. Great pass catching ability. Three likely destinations are Miami, NE and NO. Not bad there.I can't imagine not taking him #1

I would rather draft LeShoure before Ingram.

Bet you wouldnt take Leshoure over Ingram if lets say the Titans draft him.

Nobody will be drafting Leshoure over Ingram by the time their rookie drafts come around.

Want to bet? I have the first 3 picks in HyperActive League (I'm rebuilding after winning the title in the first year) and I will take LeShoure over Ingram. I guarantee you I will unless LeShoure gets drafted in a horrible situation or gets hurt between now and the time we draft. I don't mind telling my league mates because I'm in control of the first 3 picks.

 

[Go deep]

I keep seeing people moving up the WRs over Ingram on these boards often citing ppr as a reason. I can't help but wonder if this is some elaborate smoke screen. First of all Ingram is going to be very productive as a reciever (great route running and soft hands). Second of all, at least in our scoring, the #10 WR scores about the same as the #20 RB and it gets significantly worse after that. You cannot guarantee that Green or Jones will even be perenial top 10s. In fact it is much harder (for me at least) to predict WR success than RB success. I have more confidence in selecting Ingram #1 than AJ Green (don't get me wrong, I love Green).

All Ingram has done is be dominant in the SEC, no small feat. Tough to tackle, lots of yac. Great vision and burst even though he lacks tru elite breakaway speed. Great pass catching ability. Three likely destinations are Miami, NE and NO. Not bad there.

I can't imagine not taking him #1

I would rather draft LeShoure before Ingram.

Bet you wouldnt take Leshoure over Ingram if lets say the Titans draft him.

Nobody will be drafting Leshoure over Ingram by the time their rookie drafts come around.

Want to bet? I have the first 3 picks in HyperActive League (I'm rebuilding after winning the title in the first year) and I will take LeShoure over Ingram.

This makes sense

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I keep seeing people moving up the WRs over Ingram on these boards often citing ppr as a reason. I can't help but wonder if this is some elaborate smoke screen. First of all Ingram is going to be very productive as a reciever (great route running and soft hands). Second of all, at least in our scoring, the #10 WR scores about the same as the #20 RB and it gets significantly worse after that. You cannot guarantee that Green or Jones will even be perenial top 10s. In fact it is much harder (for me at least) to predict WR success than RB success. I have more confidence in selecting Ingram #1 than AJ Green (don't get me wrong, I love Green).

All Ingram has done is be dominant in the SEC, no small feat. Tough to tackle, lots of yac. Great vision and burst even though he lacks tru elite breakaway speed. Great pass catching ability. Three likely destinations are Miami, NE and NO. Not bad there.

I can't imagine not taking him #1

I would rather draft LeShoure before Ingram.

Bet you wouldnt take Leshoure over Ingram if lets say the Titans draft him.

Nobody will be drafting Leshoure over Ingram by the time their rookie drafts come around.

Want to bet? I have the first 3 picks in HyperActive League (I'm rebuilding after winning the title in the first year) and I will take LeShoure over Ingram.

This makes sense

Ok smarty pants, I guess you overlooked the part where I already have a title in that league, which hasn't been around that long.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Nobody will be drafting Leshoure over Ingram by the time their rookie drafts come around.

No guts, no glory.

 

[Go deep]

I keep seeing people moving up the WRs over Ingram on these boards often citing ppr as a reason. I can't help but wonder if this is some elaborate smoke screen. First of all Ingram is going to be very productive as a reciever (great route running and soft hands). Second of all, at least in our scoring, the #10 WR scores about the same as the #20 RB and it gets significantly worse after that. You cannot guarantee that Green or Jones will even be perenial top 10s. In fact it is much harder (for me at least) to predict WR success than RB success. I have more confidence in selecting Ingram #1 than AJ Green (don't get me wrong, I love Green).

All Ingram has done is be dominant in the SEC, no small feat. Tough to tackle, lots of yac. Great vision and burst even though he lacks tru elite breakaway speed. Great pass catching ability. Three likely destinations are Miami, NE and NO. Not bad there.

I can't imagine not taking him #1

I would rather draft LeShoure before Ingram.

Bet you wouldnt take Leshoure over Ingram if lets say the Titans draft him.

Nobody will be drafting Leshoure over Ingram by the time their rookie drafts come around.

Want to bet? I have the first 3 picks in HyperActive League (I'm rebuilding after winning the title in the first year) and I will take LeShoure over Ingram.

This makes sense

Ok smarty pants, I guess you overlooked the part where I already have a title in that league, which hasn't been around that long.

Are you one of those guys who takes all the veterans nobody wants during the startup draft?

Im just messing with you, except the part where i think by the time your rookie draft gets here you will be taking Ingram over Leshoure.

Listen, i know that Ingram wasnt even the best Rb on his team, and i know he got a bit overhyped after winning the Heisman, and i know some people are a bit scared with the injury talk. However, Ingram is still the most talented RB in this draft, and the injury talk is just a ploy so some of the mid/late teams in the draft have a chance to get him. After some team trades up in the mid first round to take Ingram and Leshoure doesnt go until a full round later everyone will be on the same page that ingram should be taken before Leshoure. I actually prefer Williams slightly to Leshoure allthough its close enough where situation will matter.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Listen, i know that Ingram wasnt even the best Rb on his team, and i know he got a bit overhyped after winning the Heisman, and i know some people are a bit scared with the injury talk. However, Ingram is still the most talented RB in this draft, and the injury talk is just a ploy so some of the mid/late teams in the draft have a chance to get him. After some team trades up in the mid first round to take Ingram and Leshoure doesnt go until a full round later everyone will be on the same page that ingram should be taken before Leshoure. I actually prefer Williams slightly to Leshoure allthough its close enough where situation will matter.

Sorry, but LeShoure looks like the better RB. He's faster and more powerful, not to mention great vision and cutback ability.

 

[Go deep]

Listen, i know that Ingram wasnt even the best Rb on his team, and i know he got a bit overhyped after winning the Heisman, and i know some people are a bit scared with the injury talk. However, Ingram is still the most talented RB in this draft, and the injury talk is just a ploy so some of the mid/late teams in the draft have a chance to get him. After some team trades up in the mid first round to take Ingram and Leshoure doesnt go until a full round later everyone will be on the same page that ingram should be taken before Leshoure. I actually prefer Williams slightly to Leshoure allthough its close enough where situation will matter.

Sorry, but LeShoure looks like the better RB. He's faster and more powerful. Not bad vision also.

Will you still feel that way if Ingram is drafted before Leshoure?

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Listen, i know that Ingram wasnt even the best Rb on his team, and i know he got a bit overhyped after winning the Heisman, and i know some people are a bit scared with the injury talk. However, Ingram is still the most talented RB in this draft, and the injury talk is just a ploy so some of the mid/late teams in the draft have a chance to get him. After some team trades up in the mid first round to take Ingram and Leshoure doesnt go until a full round later everyone will be on the same page that ingram should be taken before Leshoure. I actually prefer Williams slightly to Leshoure allthough its close enough where situation will matter.

Sorry, but LeShoure looks like the better RB. He's faster and more powerful. Not bad vision also.

Will you still feel that way if Ingram is drafted before Leshoure?

I believe I will. Again, it does matter who takes who even if I look at talent over situation most of the time for dynasty prospects. I'm more inclined to look at situation for RBs over WRs due to the shelf life of a RB.

 

[Go deep]

Listen, i know that Ingram wasnt even the best Rb on his team, and i know he got a bit overhyped after winning the Heisman, and i know some people are a bit scared with the injury talk. However, Ingram is still the most talented RB in this draft, and the injury talk is just a ploy so some of the mid/late teams in the draft have a chance to get him. After some team trades up in the mid first round to take Ingram and Leshoure doesnt go until a full round later everyone will be on the same page that ingram should be taken before Leshoure. I actually prefer Williams slightly to Leshoure allthough its close enough where situation will matter.

Sorry, but LeShoure looks like the better RB. He's faster and more powerful. Not bad vision also.

Will you still feel that way if Ingram is drafted before Leshoure?

I believe I will. Again, it does matter who takes who even if I look at talent over situation most of the time for dynasty prospects. I'm more inclined to look at situation for RBs over WRs due to the shelf life of a RB.

I agree with you aboiut situation, but im asking if would you still think Leshoure is the more talented back if Ingram is picked 25 picks ahead of Leshoure?

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I agree with you aboiut situation, but im asking if would you still think Leshoure is the more talented back if Ingram is picked 25 picks ahead of Leshoure?

I have no doubt that LeShoure is the more talented back.

 

[Go deep]

I agree with you aboiut situation, but im asking if would you still think Leshoure is the more talented back if Ingram is picked 25 picks ahead of Leshoure?

I have no doubt that LeShoure is the more talented back.

If that is the case how can you expalin that 20+, if not all of the NFL teams in the league disagree with you? Assuming of course Ingram gets drafted ahead of Leshoure.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I agree with you aboiut situation, but im asking if would you still think Leshoure is the more talented back if Ingram is picked 25 picks ahead of Leshoure?

I have no doubt that LeShoure is the more talented back.

If that is the case how can you expalin that 20+, if not all of the NFL teams in the league disagree with you? Assuming of course Ingram gets drafted ahead of Leshoure.

I'm just telling you how I feel. That doesn't necessarily make me right or wrong. We will see I guess. Don't be surprised if LeShoure gets drafted before Ingram.

 

[BuckeyeChaos]

I haven't seen a response that addresses WR over RB in ppr, especially a RB, like Ingram, who can be a big part of the pass game.

I like LeShore, but as a Big 10 guy who has seen plenty of his games I wonder why he didn't show more previously or vs strong defenses. I think anyone considering him #1 overall or over Ingram is somewhat "highlight reel blind".

 

[Go deep]

I agree with you aboiut situation, but im asking if would you still think Leshoure is the more talented back if Ingram is picked 25 picks ahead of Leshoure?

I have no doubt that LeShoure is the more talented back.

If that is the case how can you expalin that 20+, if not all of the NFL teams in the league disagree with you? Assuming of course Ingram gets drafted ahead of Leshoure.

I'm just telling you how I feel. That doesn't necessarily make me right or wrong. We will see I guess. Don't be surprised if LeShoure gets drafted before Ingram.

I personally think Ingram is a better back than Leshoure, and am 99% sure the draft will reflect that....however, if Leshoure gets drafted ahead of Ingram(and its not due to injury), i am going to assume i was wrong about Ingram being more talented than Leshoure. What im asking you is will you stil think Leshoure is the more talented back if he gets picked 10-20 spots lower than Ingram?

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I haven't seen a response that addresses WR over RB in ppr, especially a RB, like Ingram, who can be a big part of the pass game.I like LeShore, but as a Big 10 guy who has seen plenty of his games I wonder why he didn't show more previously or vs strong defenses. I think anyone considering him #1 overall or over Ingram is somewhat "highlight reel blind".

I'll be like Go Deep here. Will you still say the same thing when LeShoure is drafted before Ingram? Let's face it, LeShoure is faster and more powerful. If you want to talk about being blind, that's being blind.

 

[Go deep]

I haven't seen a response that addresses WR over RB in ppr, especially a RB, like Ingram, who can be a big part of the pass game.I like LeShore, but as a Big 10 guy who has seen plenty of his games I wonder why he didn't show more previously or vs strong defenses. I think anyone considering him #1 overall or over Ingram is somewhat "highlight reel blind".

I also think people are underestimating Ingram because of the team he played on. Or at least because Richardson is on the same team. I went from thinking Ingram was overrated 6 months ago to thnking he is underrated today. That doesnt usually happen in such a short period of time.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

What im asking you is will you stil think Leshoure is the more talented back if he gets picked 10-20 spots lower than Ingram?

Absolutely. Teams make mistakes all the time. Just look at the history of draft busts in the NFL. Not to say I won't be wrong also, but I'm not the only one saying this. There are smarter people than me saying the same thing about these two RBs.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

NFL Films guru and avid tape watcher Greg Cosell believes that Illinois RB Mikel Leshoure is a better prospect than Mark Ingram.

"Like Leshoure as an NFL runner more than Ingram," tweeted Cosell, who recently joined Twitter. "Especially in a scheme that features power and counter. Compact, physical, deceptively quick." Conversely, Pro Football Weekly's Nolan Nawrocki believes that Leshoure is overrated. Nawrocki cited "concerns about (Leshoure's) vision," and predicted he'll be "overdrafted in the second or third round just because he looks the part."

Source: Greg Cosell on Twitter

Peter King - Two of this draft's verities over the past couple of months has been that Alabama's Mark Ingram will be the first and only running back chosen in the first round from a weak crop.

Based on those I've spoken with around the league, both of those things might be wrong, for a couple of reasons. One: Teams have some questions about the condition of Ingram's left knee, which was scoped last summer and plagued him in the fall. Two: Teams have no injury concerns about Illinois' Mikel Leshoure, who, according to one college personnel scout, "is clean and fits the one-cut style that a lot of teams want to see out of their running backs.''

Three teams I've spoken with in the past couple of weeks -- and who have a need in the backfield -- all said it will be a contest to see which back goes first, Ingram or Leshoure. Ingram doesn't see it as a two-horse race, but Leshoure was adamant at the Scouting Combine that he felt he should be the number one back picked.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/04/05/mikel-leshoure/index.html#ixzz1J8SEj7d1

 

[Go deep]

I haven't seen a response that addresses WR over RB in ppr, especially a RB, like Ingram, who can be a big part of the pass game.

I like LeShore, but as a Big 10 guy who has seen plenty of his games I wonder why he didn't show more previously or vs strong defenses. I think anyone considering him #1 overall or over Ingram is somewhat "highlight reel blind".

I'll be like Go Deep here. Will you still say the same thing when LeShoure is drafted before Ingram? Let's face it, LeShoure is faster and more powerful. If you want to talk about being blind, that's being blind.

I would say the two are about as even as you get in these two categories. i think Ingram has the egdge in most others, including instincts, balance, hes shiftier and has better hands. Of course if Leshoure gets drafted ahead of Ingram i will have to rethink my position, although if that does happen i will first assume it is due to Ingrams knee.

 

[Go deep]

What im asking you is will you stil think Leshoure is the more talented back if he gets picked 10-20 spots lower than Ingram?

Absolutely. Teams make mistakes all the time. Just look at the history of draft busts in the NFL. Not to say I won't be wrong also, but I'm not the only one saying this. There are smarter people than me saying the same thing about these two RBs.

This is where you and i differ, I like to think i know what i am looking at, but i am also smart enough to know that i am not as good at it as the people who get payed alot of money to do it. Sure, NFL teams get it worng alot, but they get it right alot more than any of us would.

This kind of reminds me of the time every here thought picking Michael Bennett over LT was a good idea.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

This is where you and i differ, I like to think i know what i am looking at, but i am also smart enough to know that i am not as good at it as the people who get payed alot of money to do it. Sure, NFL teams get it worng alot, but they get it right alot more than any of us would.

I think I posted that I'm not alone in this thinking.

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

I agree with you aboiut situation, but im asking if would you still think Leshoure is the more talented back if Ingram is picked 25 picks ahead of Leshoure?

I have no doubt that LeShoure is the more talented back.

If that is the case how can you expalin that 20+, if not all of the NFL teams in the league disagree with you? Assuming of course Ingram gets drafted ahead of Leshoure.

I'm just telling you how I feel. That doesn't necessarily make me right or wrong. We will see I guess. Don't be surprised if LeShoure gets drafted before Ingram.

In what league are you trying to draft Ingram in? Seems like this is some sort of smokescreen on your part. LeShoure does some things better than Ingram, but there is no way he has more power than he does.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I agree with you aboiut situation, but im asking if would you still think Leshoure is the more talented back if Ingram is picked 25 picks ahead of Leshoure?

I have no doubt that LeShoure is the more talented back.

If that is the case how can you expalin that 20+, if not all of the NFL teams in the league disagree with you? Assuming of course Ingram gets drafted ahead of Leshoure.

I'm just telling you how I feel. That doesn't necessarily make me right or wrong. We will see I guess. Don't be surprised if LeShoure gets drafted before Ingram.

In what league are you trying to draft Ingram in? Seems like this is some sort of smokescreen on your part. LeShoure does some things better than Ingram, but there is no way he has more power than he does.

No smokescreen at all. My eyes tell me that LeShoure is the better RB [/thread for me]I enjoyed reading this...

Lashoure Taking His Talents To South Beach?

The Dolphins are an enigmatic team. One was never sure which team would show up-- the team that beat the World Champion Green Bay Packers, or the one that lost to up-and-comers Cleveland, Detroit, and Buffalo?

The biggest need for this team is running back. Mark Ingram is the best back available, but it’s actually a pretty crowded position with Illinois' Mikel Leshoure and Virgina Tech's Ryan Williams leading the rest of the pack.

Let’s not forget the dolphins lost Vernon Carey at right tackle and had a bunch of other injuries on the OL.

They also were fairly thin at wide receiver and had some erratic quarterback play to say the least.

So do you stand with Chad Henne as QB of the future ? Do you go and get him another target at WR after Davonne Bess and Brandon Marshall ? Do you let Rickey Williams and Ronnie Brown go ? Do you try to help the defense with a cornerback or an inside linebacker? Miami’s defensive backs should have gotten to more balls considering the pass rush of Cameron Wake and Kosa Misi and the play of the front 3?

If the Dolphins want to improve the team, the quickest way to do that is by staying home and drafting cornerback Brandon Harris from The U. Harris had trouble against bigger wide receivers like Notre Dame's Michael Floyd, but the Dolphins have 6’3” Sean Smith on the other side. He’d send a strong message to Vontae Davis.

However, the best long term value is running back at this spot. Contrary to popular opinion it’s Leshoure, not Ingram that should go here.

Leshoure is bigger. He’s virtually the same speed and he has one advantage – everyone in Alabama could block right down to the receivers, who kept the safeties playing deep and who were big enough to crackback on a linebacker. Last season (the season on which we should be basing their decision), Trent Richardson was arguably the better back in the Tide backfield (better YPC and a better receiver out of the backfield plus more size). Sure Ingram was keyed on; nobody at Alabama got keyed on with 5 running backs, enough wide receivers to out-class most NFL teams, a tight end combo of two players who will probably see time on Sundays, and an offensive line featuring ten 300 pounders.

Sure Ingram is good. Leshoure is better. He was the best player on his team. Ingram may have not been in the top 5 on his. Plus, he has recent history on his side. Just look at Rashad Mendenhall in Pittsburgh. http://thecontrariansnfldraftreport.blogspot.com/2011_02_01_archive.html

 

[BuckeyeChaos]

I haven't seen a response that addresses WR over RB in ppr, especially a RB, like Ingram, who can be a big part of the pass game.I like LeShore, but as a Big 10 guy who has seen plenty of his games I wonder why he didn't show more previously or vs strong defenses. I think anyone considering him #1 overall or over Ingram is somewhat "highlight reel blind".

I'll be like Go Deep here. Will you still say the same thing when LeShoure is drafted before Ingram? Let's face it, LeShoure is faster and more powerful. If you want to talk about being blind, that's being blind.

Hoss come on now. I'm all about healthy debate and enjoy hearing another point of view. Faster? 4.59 vs 4.62 is not the kind of difference I want to see. I think both are "fast enough" without being gamebreakers.As for you question to where they are drafted, I'm not sure I get the significance since you clearly say later in the thread that Ingram going before Leshoure doesn't change your opinion. I think they are different enough in style to warrant a look from the right team. If a one cut team grabs an RB first it could be Leshoure. If a team that wants a little more from their back picks it will likely be Ingram.I'm slightly surprised at your position of defiance Hoss. You seem to state that no matter what you are right. I tend to agree with Go Deep on this. WE are not the paid experts. We have opinions but in the end they are just that. Are you indicating that if Leshoure were off the board you would take another RB over Ingram? If so you are really more down on him than anyone else.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I haven't seen a response that addresses WR over RB in ppr, especially a RB, like Ingram, who can be a big part of the pass game.I like LeShore, but as a Big 10 guy who has seen plenty of his games I wonder why he didn't show more previously or vs strong defenses. I think anyone considering him #1 overall or over Ingram is somewhat "highlight reel blind".

I'll be like Go Deep here. Will you still say the same thing when LeShoure is drafted before Ingram? Let's face it, LeShoure is faster and more powerful. If you want to talk about being blind, that's being blind.

Hoss come on now. I'm all about healthy debate and enjoy hearing another point of view. Faster? 4.59 vs 4.62 is not the kind of difference I want to see. I think both are "fast enough" without being gamebreakers.As for you question to where they are drafted, I'm not sure I get the significance since you clearly say later in the thread that Ingram going before Leshoure doesn't change your opinion. I think they are different enough in style to warrant a look from the right team. If a one cut team grabs an RB first it could be Leshoure. If a team that wants a little more from their back picks it will likely be Ingram.I'm slightly surprised at your position of defiance Hoss. You seem to state that no matter what you are right. I tend to agree with Go Deep on this. WE are not the paid experts. We have opinions but in the end they are just that. Are you indicating that if Leshoure were off the board you would take another RB over Ingram? If so you are really more down on him than anyone else.

I'm not being defiant, I posted that there are "experts" who agree with me regarding the two RBs. I just happen to think that LeShoure is the better RB. That's not a big deal, is it? Would I take another RB over Ingram? Probably not, but I would have to think about Ryan Williams for a second or two.

 

[Nero]

I'm not getting the who gets drafted first deal. If you think Ingram is better, then it shouldn't matter if Leshoure is drafted first unless his opportunity is much greater (Say Miami drafts Leshoure and Kansas City drafts Ingram).

Comparing the two, I'd easily take Ingram even though I thought he was a little overhyped. I don't see anything in Leshoure (or Williams) that makes me think he could be a stud. I looked at his highlights from Ingram's Heisman season compared to last year, and it looked like he was on steroids in 2009. Everything about him looked more explosive. Maybe there is some legs to this kneegate story. If Ingram is able to regain his 09 form he blows this RB class away.

RB's are safer picks compared WR's. But its hard to say superstar with any of these RB's, whereas you have two WR prospects who look the part. Its worth the risk IMO, take the WR's first.

 

[Go deep]

I'm not getting the who gets drafted first deal. If you think Ingram is better, then it shouldn't matter if Leshoure is drafted first unless his opportunity is much greater (Say Miami drafts Leshoure and Kansas City drafts Ingram).

Comparing the two, I'd easily take Ingram even though I thought he was a little overhyped. I don't see anything in Leshoure (or Williams) that makes me think he could be a stud. I looked at his highlights from Ingram's Heisman season compared to last year, and it looked like he was on steroids in 2009. Everything about him looked more explosive. Maybe there is some legs to this kneegate story. If Ingram is able to regain his 09 form he blows this RB class away.

RB's are safer picks compared WR's. But its hard to say superstar with any of these RB's, whereas you have two WR prospects who look the part. Its worth the risk IMO, take the WR's first.

The point of it is because where a player actually gets drafted tells us how talented real NFL scouts think a player is. Thats the most telling peice of information i can have when it comes to which player i prefer.

 

[Nero]

The point of it is because where a player actually gets drafted tells us how talented real NFL scouts think a player is. Thats the most telling peice of information i can have when it comes to which player i prefer.

What did it tell you when DHB went 7 overall, before Crabtree? Each team rates the players differently. Where a player is selected tells you what one teams thinks of that player. If 31 teams think Ingram has a bad knee and wouldn't draft him in the 1st or 2nd round, but and he gets drafted in the first by the one teams that isn't concerned, can you really know anything? There are enought talent evaluators that have predraft rankings to get a good grasp of talent level and where a player might get drafted long before the draft happens. I can lean toward scouts and other talent evaluators when I haven't seen a guy. I've seen enough of Ingram and Leshoure to know that Ingram is better IMO. Therefore, the only way I draft Leshoure over Ingram is if his opportunity is significantly better.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I keep seeing people moving up the WRs over Ingram on these boards often citing ppr as a reason. I can't help but wonder if this is some elaborate smoke screen. First of all Ingram is going to be very productive as a reciever (great route running and soft hands). Second of all, at least in our scoring, the #10 WR scores about the same as the #20 RB and it gets significantly worse after that. You cannot guarantee that Green or Jones will even be perenial top 10s. In fact it is much harder (for me at least) to predict WR success than RB success. I have more confidence in selecting Ingram #1 than AJ Green (don't get me wrong, I love Green).All Ingram has done is be dominant in the SEC, no small feat. Tough to tackle, lots of yac. Great vision and burst even though he lacks tru elite breakaway speed. Great pass catching ability. Three likely destinations are Miami, NE and NO. Not bad there.I can't imagine not taking him #1

I would rather draft LeShoure before Ingram.

Bet you wouldnt take Leshoure over Ingram if lets say the Titans draft him.

Nobody will be drafting Leshoure over Ingram by the time their rookie drafts come around.

Want to bet? I have the first 3 picks in HyperActive League (I'm rebuilding after winning the title in the first year) and I will take LeShoure over Ingram. I guarantee you I will unless LeShoure gets drafted in a horrible situation or gets hurt between now and the time we draft. I don't mind telling my league mates because I'm in control of the first 3 picks.

I've got the 4th pick in that league and I sure hope you follow through on this, lol.

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

Listen, i know that Ingram wasnt even the best Rb on his team, and i know he got a bit overhyped after winning the Heisman, and i know some people are a bit scared with the injury talk. However, Ingram is still the most talented RB in this draft, and the injury talk is just a ploy so some of the mid/late teams in the draft have a chance to get him. After some team trades up in the mid first round to take Ingram and Leshoure doesnt go until a full round later everyone will be on the same page that ingram should be taken before Leshoure. I actually prefer Williams slightly to Leshoure allthough its close enough where situation will matter.

Sorry, but LeShoure looks like the better RB. He's faster and more powerful, not to mention great vision and cutback ability.

I am sorry, but what tapes are you watching? More powerful? I think power goes to Ingram hands down. As far as speed, Ingram and LeShoure had nearly identical 10 yard splits which is the most important part of the speed factor to consider when lookinag at RB's. And even a larger separation exists with Ingram's elite field vision and cuts. I am sorry....I do like LeShoure a lot too, but there's a different level to Ingram's game when compared to LeShoure at nearly every facet of the running game AND when taking PPR into considerationg Ingram has very soft hands....where LeShoure catches more with his body.What the heck is going on around here? Seriously?

 

[Dragon1952]

I haven't seen a response that addresses WR over RB in ppr, especially a RB, like Ingram, who can be a big part of the pass game.

I like LeShore, but as a Big 10 guy who has seen plenty of his games I wonder why he didn't show more previously or vs strong defenses. I think anyone considering him #1 overall or over Ingram is somewhat "highlight reel blind".

Last year the only 3 games he didn't go over 100 yds rushing were,vs Ohio St (80 yds on 19 carries, 4.2 ypc)

@ Mich St (83 yds on 23 carries, 3.6 ypc)

vs Indiana (77 yds on 16 carries, 4.8 ypc, 1 TD)

overall 1697 yds on 281 carries, 6 ypc and 17 TD's

I'm not sure what you are talking about. Where, exactly, did he actually stumble? And even if you feel he failed in some area how much of the fault do you put on him vs the rest of the team? They had a terrible passing offense for one thing. That couldn't have helped the rushing game yet LeShoure still got a 6 ypc average.

 

[BuckeyeChaos]

I haven't seen a response that addresses WR over RB in ppr, especially a RB, like Ingram, who can be a big part of the pass game.

I like LeShore, but as a Big 10 guy who has seen plenty of his games I wonder why he didn't show more previously or vs strong defenses. I think anyone considering him #1 overall or over Ingram is somewhat "highlight reel blind".

Last year the only 3 games he didn't go over 100 yds rushing were,vs Ohio St (80 yds on 19 carries, 4.2 ypc)

@ Mich St (83 yds on 23 carries, 3.6 ypc)

vs Indiana (77 yds on 16 carries, 4.8 ypc, 1 TD)

overall 1697 yds on 281 carries, 6 ypc and 17 TD's

I'm not sure what you are talking about. Where, exactly, did he actually stumble? And even if you feel he failed in some area how much of the fault do you put on him vs the rest of the team? They had a terrible passing offense for one thing. That couldn't have helped the rushing game yet LeShoure still got a 6 ypc average.

The OSU game in particular is telling to me. He barely cracked 4yds per carry, a meager total in college if you are an "elite" rb. Mendenhall did much better against a better OSU defense and Mendenhall is not a true NFL stud. I can't see all the LeShoure love on this board. I like him but I sure don't love him. Let's agree to disagree and revisit in a year.

 

[BuckeyeChaos]

I'm not getting the who gets drafted first deal. If you think Ingram is better, then it shouldn't matter if Leshoure is drafted first unless his opportunity is much greater (Say Miami drafts Leshoure and Kansas City drafts Ingram).

Comparing the two, I'd easily take Ingram even though I thought he was a little overhyped. I don't see anything in Leshoure (or Williams) that makes me think he could be a stud. I looked at his highlights from Ingram's Heisman season compared to last year, and it looked like he was on steroids in 2009. Everything about him looked more explosive. Maybe there is some legs to this kneegate story. If Ingram is able to regain his 09 form he blows this RB class away.

RB's are safer picks compared WR's. But its hard to say superstar with any of these RB's, whereas you have two WR prospects who look the part. Its worth the risk IMO, take the WR's first.

The point of it is because where a player actually gets drafted tells us how talented real NFL scouts think a player is. Thats the most telling peice of information i can have when it comes to which player i prefer.

Go Deep, I respect your opinions and rankings but in this case I must disagree. NFL drafters routinely get it wrong and I wouldn't use their selections as a way of evaluating talent. Spiller over Best and Blount? The list goes on and on.

 

[Go deep]

I'm not getting the who gets drafted first deal. If you think Ingram is better, then it shouldn't matter if Leshoure is drafted first unless his opportunity is much greater (Say Miami drafts Leshoure and Kansas City drafts Ingram).

Comparing the two, I'd easily take Ingram even though I thought he was a little overhyped. I don't see anything in Leshoure (or Williams) that makes me think he could be a stud. I looked at his highlights from Ingram's Heisman season compared to last year, and it looked like he was on steroids in 2009. Everything about him looked more explosive. Maybe there is some legs to this kneegate story. If Ingram is able to regain his 09 form he blows this RB class away.

RB's are safer picks compared WR's. But its hard to say superstar with any of these RB's, whereas you have two WR prospects who look the part. Its worth the risk IMO, take the WR's first.

The point of it is because where a player actually gets drafted tells us how talented real NFL scouts think a player is. Thats the most telling peice of information i can have when it comes to which player i prefer.

Go Deep, I respect your opinions and rankings but in this case I must disagree. NFL drafters routinely get it wrong and I wouldn't use their selections as a way of evaluating talent. Spiller over Best and Blount? The list goes on and on.

Yes, they do get it wrong, but they get it right more than anyone else. Did you take Blount over Spiller in your rookie drafts last year? Plus, im sure given the chance the Bucs would gladly trade Blount for Spiller right now.

Also, lets be honest, its not like everyone on this board is getting a bunch of game tape from colleges to evaluate players, we are using information from the internet which ultimately comes from NFL scouts/draft pundits. We just read a bunch of that and watch youtube videos and then pretend we know more than the guys who get paid to do it. When it comes down to it, i could not study or research a single thing, and have absolutely no knowledge of who is who in college football. I could then have just as good of a chance of having a good rookie draft just by going directly off the order the players were picked in the NFL draft. Of course with the understanding the value of certain positions in fanatsy football, ie. I wouldnt go taking Newton over Green or Ingram because he was picked before them.

 

[Andrew Garda]

I agree with you aboiut situation, but im asking if would you still think Leshoure is the more talented back if Ingram is picked 25 picks ahead of Leshoure?

I have no doubt that LeShoure is the more talented back.

If that is the case how can you expalin that 20+, if not all of the NFL teams in the league disagree with you? Assuming of course Ingram gets drafted ahead of Leshoure.

I'm just telling you how I feel. That doesn't necessarily make me right or wrong. We will see I guess. Don't be surprised if LeShoure gets drafted before Ingram.

I'm not saying I agree with Hoss (to some extent I don't but I can see the debate) but where LeShoure is picked isn't necessarily and indicator of his talent, NFL future or team interest. There are so many factors in RBs potentially dropping this year - it isn't an 'if A, then B' equation.FWIW I wouldn't be shocked at all if someone took LeShoure over Ingram (NFL or FF). Myself, I'm not worried about the knee and I think (after watching them both closely again for my videos) Ingram is the better back - but they aren't all that far apart.

 

[belljr]

One mans view

Mark Ingram, Alabama Ingram Height: 5-9Weight: 21540 time: 4.6210-yard split: 1.5520-yard split: 2.60Shuttle: 4.623-cone: 7.13Games: 38Rushing attempts: 572Yards: 3,261TDs 42Yards per attempt: 5.7Receptions: 60Yards: 670Yards per catch: 11.2TDs: 4 Mikel Leshoure, Illinois Leshoure Height: 6-0Weight: 22740 time: 4.5610-yard split: 1.5320-yard split: 2.63Shuttle: 4.403-cone: 6.82Games: 32Rushing attempts: 424Yards: 2,557TDs 23Yards per attempt: 6.0Receptions: 37Yards: 439Yards per catch: 11.9TDs: 5 Between the tackles: Ingram is the best inside runner in this draft class. Not only does he hit the hole with drive, but he also knows how to pick his spots, and hes got a great combination of patience and sudden acceleration. Quick enough in short spaces to find and slip through small gaps in the line, he cuts very well to a gap, and his speed through (not just to) the hole is exceptional. May not be ideally suited for short-yardage and goal-line running at the next level; youd like to see a bit more power in those situations. That said, his 42 touchdowns are the most in school history. He generally bounces off arm and ankle tackles and doesnt go down easily. He rarely gets tackled for loss and hardly ever fumbles. Between the tackles: Leshoure is more a quick back than a pure power back. Thats surprising for his size, but he doesnt really possess optimal leg drive and doesnt consistently push the pile. Runs with an upright style that will get him tackled early and more easily at the NFL level. More effective on delays and draws than blasts because he accelerates off the snap so well. Good, quick cutbacks and follow-though on zone concepts and slide protection. Tends to go down too easily on first contact; Leshoure is a power-looking back who runs with a different skill set. Frequently drew the advantage of a man-among-boys situation in college from a size perspective; that will obviously disappear in the NFL. Outside running: Does not possess optimal speed to turn outside from the tackle and burst upfield to beat quicker defenders; will generally need blocking help. Turns upfield quickly and has a good second gear once he gets to the flats as a runner or receiver. Faster in a straight line than on a turn. Most of his angular speed comes from the on-field intelligence; knowing when to cut and when to move upfield. Outside running: Leshoure bounces outside with surprising quickness and acceleration; keeping his speed intact while moving sideways and looking for gaps is one of his best traits. Surprisingly adept at juking defenders out of tackles and using misdirection effectively. Very good at dumping off a zone slide and turning to square his shoulders. Open-field running: Consistently good and powerful runner with surprising straight-line speed once he hits linebacker level. Has a surprising burst upfield a definite second gear he can switch into. Open-field running: Leshoure is especially effective downfield; once he gets up to full speed and is able to put his size behind it, hes a nightmare for smaller defenders to tackle. Blocking: Willing blocker with solid technique; this attribute makes him a potential every-down back in the NFL right away. Blocking: Has the size to be a good blocker, and hes willing to do it. But as with a lot of his game, Leshoure needs to learn to get lower and win leverage battles more consistently. Pass-catching: Good college receiver who could be even better in the NFL; route distribution allows Ingram to avoid his lack-of-turn speed to the edge as a liability and take advantage of his better upfield speed as a primary underrated attribute. Add in his ability to make gains after contact, and Ingram could be a real yards-after-catch threat in the NFL. Pass-catching: Needs work in this area Leshoure doesnt yet have a detailed sense of route concepts, but he has good hands and his speed outside could make him a real surprise in this aspect of the position. Intangibles: Determined player who goes all in for his team and gains the respect of coaches and teammates. His father, former NFL receiver Mark Ingram, is currently serving prison time for fraud and money laundering, but this circumstance seems to have only increased the younger Ingrams determination. Came back from a knee injury in early 2010 to excel down the stretch. Intangibles: Leshoure suffered a broken jaw in 2008 during a fight with a teammate and lost 17 pounds during recovery. He also was suspended in 2009 for one game for an undisclosed violation of team rules. But by all accounts, he really cleaned up his act in 2010 and that determination paid off on the field. Conclusion: Frank Gore(notes), who has a similar build as Ingram, has been the 49ers primary offensive weapon for years. Ingram has the potential to be that same kind of player with his toughness and versatility. Hes often compared to Emmitt Smith, and while I dont quite see an equivalent skill set, Ingram is similar to Smith in one way: Smith wasnt always the best in the league at one particular attribute; his value came in his ability and willingness to do everything possible to help his team win. Conclusion: Leshoure is an impressive player in some respects, but there have to be serious questions about his consistency he was very spiky in his production, and you always wonder what will happen to players who have been in trouble before when they get NFL money. He also needs work on some crucial steps before he can be an all-around player. The lack of in-line power for his size is somewhat disturbing; it could be a real issue in the NFL, when hell be asked to make those inside runs and will be dealing with much stronger opponents. The ideal situation for Leshoure might be one in which an NFL team recognizes his speed/size combination as an unusual asset, perhaps getting him down to the 215-pound range. Comparison: Gore, 49ers Comparison: Marshawn Lynch(notes), Seattle Seahawks Doug Farrar is a writer for Yahoos Shutdown Corner blog, and a senior writer for Football Outsiders

 

[cr8f]

Listen, i know that Ingram wasnt even the best Rb on his team, and i know he got a bit overhyped after winning the Heisman, and i know some people are a bit scared with the injury talk. However, Ingram is still the most talented RB in this draft, and the injury talk is just a ploy so some of the mid/late teams in the draft have a chance to get him. After some team trades up in the mid first round to take Ingram and Leshoure doesnt go until a full round later everyone will be on the same page that ingram should be taken before Leshoure. I actually prefer Williams slightly to Leshoure allthough its close enough where situation will matter.

Sorry, but LeShoure looks like the better RB. He's faster and more powerful, not to mention great vision and cutback ability.

Interesting thread but I'm ready for the draft.

 

[Buckna]

I haven't seen a response that addresses WR over RB in ppr, especially a RB, like Ingram, who can be a big part of the pass game.

Yes, too bad this thread devolved into an Ingram vs LeShoure fest

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

NFL Network's Mike Lombardi reports that at least two running back-needy teams have removed Alabama RB Mark Ingram from their draft boards.

"I've had two teams tell me the knee is very bad," said Lombardi. "He won't be on their boards. They're teams that need running backs." Mike Mayock is also "not so sure" Ingram will be a first-rounder. The consensus is that there's better value on mid-round backs, as opposed to Ingram in the first. Look for the Patriots to have a chance to draft Ingram at No. 33 overall.

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

NFL Network's Mike Lombardi reports that at least two running back-needy teams have removed Alabama RB Mark Ingram from their draft boards.

"I've had two teams tell me the knee is very bad," said Lombardi. "He won't be on their boards. They're teams that need running backs." Mike Mayock is also "not so sure" Ingram will be a first-rounder. The consensus is that there's better value on mid-round backs, as opposed to Ingram in the first. Look for the Patriots to have a chance to draft Ingram at No. 33 overall.

Not to make this into a pissing contest, but teams normally don't publically say if they are going to take a player or not. Most of the time these things are smokescreens. I remember in 2007 the Minnesota Vikings GM came on local radio saying "There is NO WAY we are taking Adrian Peterson. His injury risk is too great to take a chance on at #7". Siting his clavicle may never heal and a bad knee. LMAO!! Then they had the same GM on after the draft and replayed his comment......he laughed and said they wanted to take him all along.....they were praying he'd fall to #7. I guess the point of the story is, you can't trust anyone right now. I am surprised you haven't figured that out. I watched this same show today and ironically it was "teams in need of RB's" that came out and said we are not taking Ingram. Now why would they do that? Publically say they don't want a particular player? So other teams can jump ahead of them and steal the player they really want (ie LeShoure?)? All of this stuff is just smoke.....and that's all! "Arthritic Knee".....I laugh at that. His arthritic knee sure looked bad last season. LOL.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

NFL Network's Mike Lombardi reports that at least two running back-needy teams have removed Alabama RB Mark Ingram from their draft boards.

"I've had two teams tell me the knee is very bad," said Lombardi. "He won't be on their boards. They're teams that need running backs." Mike Mayock is also "not so sure" Ingram will be a first-rounder. The consensus is that there's better value on mid-round backs, as opposed to Ingram in the first. Look for the Patriots to have a chance to draft Ingram at No. 33 overall.

Not to make this into a pissing contest, but teams normally don't publically say if they are going to take a player or not. Most of the time these things are smokescreens. I remember in 2007 the Minnesota Vikings GM came on local radio saying "There is NO WAY we are taking Adrian Peterson. His injury risk is too great to take a chance on at #7". Siting his clavicle may never heal and a bad knee. LMAO!! Then they had the same GM on after the draft and replayed his comment......he laughed and said they wanted to take him all along.....they were praying he'd fall to #7. I guess the point of the story is, you can't trust anyone right now. I am surprised you haven't figured that out. I watched this same show today and ironically it was "teams in need of RB's" that came out and said we are not taking Ingram. Now why would they do that? Publically say they don't want a particular player? So other teams can jump ahead of them and steal the player they really want (ie LeShoure?)? All of this stuff is just smoke.....and that's all! "Arthritic Knee".....I laugh at that. His arthritic knee sure looked bad last season. LOL.

You might very well be right, but there may be more to this story than you're willing to accept. I guess when he falls out of the first round we will know.

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

NFL Network's Mike Lombardi reports that at least two running back-needy teams have removed Alabama RB Mark Ingram from their draft boards.

"I've had two teams tell me the knee is very bad," said Lombardi. "He won't be on their boards. They're teams that need running backs." Mike Mayock is also "not so sure" Ingram will be a first-rounder. The consensus is that there's better value on mid-round backs, as opposed to Ingram in the first. Look for the Patriots to have a chance to draft Ingram at No. 33 overall.

Not to make this into a pissing contest, but teams normally don't publically say if they are going to take a player or not. Most of the time these things are smokescreens. I remember in 2007 the Minnesota Vikings GM came on local radio saying "There is NO WAY we are taking Adrian Peterson. His injury risk is too great to take a chance on at #7". Siting his clavicle may never heal and a bad knee. LMAO!! Then they had the same GM on after the draft and replayed his comment......he laughed and said they wanted to take him all along.....they were praying he'd fall to #7. I guess the point of the story is, you can't trust anyone right now. I am surprised you haven't figured that out. I watched this same show today and ironically it was "teams in need of RB's" that came out and said we are not taking Ingram. Now why would they do that? Publically say they don't want a particular player? So other teams can jump ahead of them and steal the player they really want (ie LeShoure?)? All of this stuff is just smoke.....and that's all! "Arthritic Knee".....I laugh at that. His arthritic knee sure looked bad last season. LOL.

You might very well be right, but there may be more to this story than you're willing to accept. I guess when he falls out of the first round we will know.

Actually I am not even sure that would mean there is a knee problem. This might be a year when no RB's are taken in the 1st round? It's a deep draft at D-Line and interesting QB prospects. Teams in need of RB's might address other needs and draft their RB's in 2nd/3rd round?Just because Ingram goes in the 2nd round doesn't mean he has a knee problem. Does that mean Ryan Williams has a chronic knee problem if he goes in the 2nd round? He had knee surgery too.....so if he goes in the 2nd, then he's got a knee problem according to your logic?

 

[Andrew Garda]

You might very well be right, but there may be more to this story than you're willing to accept. I guess when he falls out of the first round we will know.

I feel like a broken record but Ingram (or LeShoure or Williams) not being in the first round could (and probably would) have absolutely NOTHING to do with his knee. RB is not a position of import like it was just three years ago and this is a tremendous class in several other areas AND you can get a good RB late.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

what if Ingram is the third rb taken?

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

what if Ingram is the third rb taken?

Then I'd say the knee dropped him. I am not an Ingram maniac by any means. I like Ingram a little more, but LeShoure and Williams are close behind him in my books. It's really going to depend on where these RB's go for me in the draft, but right now I have #1 Ingram, #2 Williams, #3 LeShoure. Those could reverse depending on the jersey they get to wear.