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Swap LeShoure and Williams and I'd say
.But it's all context - where they go in Drafts for FF depends on the team.To the OP's question - I think Green and Jones hopping ahead of Ingram is surprising from the standpoint that so many WRs struggle the first few years. The payoff on Green could be years away. Ingram could have more impact sooner. Even in a PPR league. And again, it depends on where they go - Green in Cincy is less attractive than Green in St Louis.Agreed to a point. In a dynasty where I'm not looking for immediate impact I can look past some warts if I think the program is heading in the right direction.
I agree with Buckeyes on this one. For example, when the Lions selected Calvin Johnson....Joey Harrington was still QB. I remember some questioning if they should pass on Calvin for Marshawn Lynch.....which was the wrong choice. Point being, if you can wait for production in dynasty....my philosophy has always been to take the superior talent. Bad teams will eventually get fixed. If Ingram ends up in a "bad situation" I am still going to take him.....because I am set on all my positions and I can wait for Ingram to produce if needed.
So if Ingram lands in a situation like Jonathan Stewart or Michael Turner did (stud in front of him), you take him over a lesser talented LeShoure who lands in a spot like Miami (aging vet/weak rbbc?
Michael Turner was a 5th round pick, so let's leave him out of discussion. I'll give you Jonathan Stewart, but when Stewart was drafted DeAngelo had done absolutely nothing (1200 yards and 5 TD's total in 2 full seasons)....so that's not even a good comparison.BUT, to answer your question YES, I'll take Ingram if he ends up in a so called "Bad Situation" like Jonathan Stewart did. My team is set at RB (PPR league) with McCoy, Charles and Best......so yes, I am taking Ingram regardless of team. Wouldn't you if you didn't have a need at RB? Ingram is a superior talent, so there you have it.What constitute a "bad situation" for Ingram to land in? The Bucs? - I love this spot with a good young QB, even with Blunt there. NO? - again great offense and they don't trust their RB's. NE? - again love this spot.
What if he is the 3rd or 4th RB off the board and lands in a bad situation, do you still take him over LeShoure and / or Williams?
What if AJ Green is the 3rd or 4th WR taken off the board?
I'm higher on Julio Jones, so what's your answer? Also, I know Julio Jones deoesn't have what could be a long term injury, so I would still take him where I was going to. I'm assuming you don't believe there's anything wrong with Ingram.
We both know AJ Green isn't going to be the 3rd or 4th WR off the board, nor is Ingram going to be the 3rd or 4th RB off the board....so i don't answer non-sense questions.
If there IS anything to the knee issue I respectfully disagree. I guess we will find out on draft day.
Well if there is a knee issue and Ingram falls to the 4th or 5th RB taken, yes then I'd go with LeShoure or Williams.....but you are assuming A LOT about those reports being right. I think a bigger talker is how in the world do you have Jones rated ahead of Green?
It's not my intention to hijack this thread so I'll just answer your question with this link and leave it alone after that. It's a nice article you should enjoy. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/03/22/mail/index.html
Hoss, come on now. You are SO against Ingram in all of your many many posts on the subjects in every thread you can find. Pardon my french, but did he bang your mom or something? I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish. I don't even know how to measure your success since you have claimed everything from LeShoure is better, Ryan Wiliams is better to what if he is the 3rd or 4th RB taken to what if his knee is bone on bone. Let's just say that if you are sort of right and Ingram is not the best back, it will be so close as to not matter. If you are wrong however you will be very wrong and Ingram will be a 3 down stud.Preaching caution is advisable and commendable but going on a crusade against the (as I see it) best RB in the draft like he is a bust seems overzealous at best.'Hoss_Cartwright said:
Hey I liked Ingram as well before the recent news on his knee. I'm just not one to blow it off as something teams are saying in order to have a better chance at drafting him. Let's say I have an open mind, not a crusade against Ingram. If it sounds like I'm convinced that Ingram is damaged goods, I'm not, but someone has to err on the side of caution. I can ill afford to mess my dynasty drafts up.
Good response and I'm glad you made it. I actually agree witht the spirit of what you are saying. The exception being that I feel (until more definative knee news is known) that passing on him is what I can ill afford to do.I now see why you keep saying "what if he drops in the draft". You are using that as evidence that team doctors have ruled against his knees. I will allow that I don't care what bad teams pass on him but if the good ones do (medical staffs, scouting staffs that I trust)I will take notice.So I think after all of this that we sort of agree. Barring knee issue (however you want to judge this) Ingram should be the top pick. Cautious types might go another route (although I would submit that this is no antidote to avoiding risk).
I hope not with the age gap we would be dealing with here.
Absolutely, his knee is the only reason why I consider him dropping and that it would be an indicator to the seriousness of his injury. How else are we to know? I'm sure team doctors will have him under a microscope, if they haven't already.
Hurray! Example of how a forum discussion can work without the nasty back and forth. Kudos
