Instead of fighting over PPR or non PPR (1 Viewer)

[Liquid Tension]

I have been against PPR for a long time and don't like the artificial nature of them. The yards and TD's are what matters to me and I surely don't like giving a point for a reception of a RB which is almost like a handoff (even more so when you see the shovel pass). Anyway, without getting into that debate again, I started thinking about the things that should be rewarded and I think a 1st down reception would be a good one. Guys like Welker normally may not get TD's, but when you need to move the chains they are really important. This could even extend to RB's and the short yardage backs might have a little extra value?

My point is that let's try to reward the importance of plays as much as we can while still trying to maintain the enjoyment of the league and making it seem like regular football (I like having TD's worth 6 and FG's worth 3 for a reason)

Stats are kept for 1st downs, but it does not appear that any sites allow scoring for 1st downs (at least the 4 I looked at). Should we be asking for this? Do you disagree? Any thoughts?

 

[Wilbur Wood]

I commish 2 CBS leagues that have used "First Down Receptions" instead "PPR" for several years.

We like it a lot better because it correlates better with true NFL value of moving the chains and no one likes the 1 yard flanker screen that goes nowhere being awarded the same value as a 10 yard run

 

[Koya]

I have always wondered about this myself, essentially following your logic. Catching a ball really means nothing - it is what does that catch constitute? Yards that get you closer to a TD or a TD itself - and first downs are an essential component of getting toward that TD.

FWIW, I think its far more valuable to have 5 catches for 50 yards, with four of those creating a first down. Same with RBs where that tough yard or two is more important than gaining 5 or 6 on first down, if the tough yard = a new set of downs.

 

[footballnerd]

How many first downs does a player avg per game. I wouldn't think very many.

I think 1 pt per rec is def too much, but 0.5 per rec is reasonable and what all my leagues play. With the number of drops by receivers these days 0.5 pts is a fair reward.

 

[TheChairman]

There should also be points for good blocks. Negative points for penalties. Points for drawn penalties. Negative points for poorly run routes.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

This is why .5 ppr is best.

 

[eoMMan]

Meh. PPR, or catches, is a legit stat. It's not like you go to the hall of fame with 1400 career 1st down's.

Besides, that stat is just too uncommon to have as a rule. Your average donkey in your league isn't going to be able to find that stat anywhere in his magazine.

 

[Koya]

Meh. PPR, or catches, is a legit stat. It's not like you go to the hall of fame with 1400 career 1st down's. Besides, that stat is just too uncommon to have as a rule. Your average donkey in your league isn't going to be able to find that stat anywhere in his magazine.

A while back there were few if any PPR leagues. Before then, many leagues (most maybe?) were TD only. Two QB leagues were once unheard of and are now more popular.Essentially, things evolve and the tools will evolve with them (i.e. sources for the stats).FWIW, first downs are hardly an "uncommon" stat - in fact they are one of the more important stats out there, which is why some of us (the OP and I included) believe there should be a reward for those who are good at this.And FWIW, guys like Art Monk DID make the hall of fame (albeit after too much a wait) because they were clutch, got key first downs, were possession guys that didnt rake up meaningless numbers of catches but rather pivotal 5, 8, 10 yard plays when they were most needed.

 

[SmallDawgsBITE]

It's funny to me that so many are trying to get there leagues more like the NFL. Fact is, FF is NOTHING like the NFL on any level.

As a commish it is in the leagues better interests to make the system you use fair to paying owners.

Suggestions..........

Do away with divisions...........really.... a 7-7 team wins a #### division and makes it to the playoffs over a 8-6 team with more points??? Yep, it's the NFL, but this is OUR sport and it needs to be fair to paying owners.

Base playoffs on top 3 teams according to H2H matchups, then the other 3 teams based on All-Play or Points. This will surely get the best 6 teams to the playoffs.

Scoring rules are subjective and can be done in any manner, so long as owners are aware of them and draft accordingly. Trying to emulate the NFL is goofy, imo.

 

[Koya]

There should also be points for good blocks. Negative points for penalties. Points for drawn penalties. Negative points for poorly run routes.

In regard to blocks and routes, there are no metrics (and yes, I understand you were being tongue in cheek). The fact is the first down is a recognized stat, easily measurable and represents significant impact on a game - moreso than simply catches made imo.

 

[TheChairman]

There should also be points for good blocks. Negative points for penalties. Points for drawn penalties. Negative points for poorly run routes.

In regard to blocks and routes, there are no metrics (and yes, I understand you were being tongue in cheek). The fact is the first down is a recognized stat, easily measurable and represents significant impact on a game - moreso than simply catches made imo.

Only if you separate first downs that lead to scores. Why reward a first down that just leads to a punt?Maybe make it point per first down in opponent territory.

 

[flc735]

any rule that relates ff to nfl is a good one, but in this case we are getting away from the purpose of ppr to begin with. ppr was meant to equalize wr's to rb's. the farther you get away from a small but dominate group of players, the more competitive leagues will be.

i would guess rb's gain more first downs that a particular wr would. and so that would give the dominate position (non ppr rb's) even more of an advantage over wr's. if we are talking 'non ppr. 0 points per rushing first down. 1 point per rec first down'. then that is something that would help close the gap between the two positions. off the top of my head, this would be very similar to a normal .5 ppr league.

the 'latest' attempt to equalize all positions is the ppr, 1.5te scoring. which i personally think is way too much for a te. gates is = to foster and cj in this format. and right now, witten>>austin or aj!!

i always thought .75ppr for rb's, 1ppr for wr's, 1.25 ppr for te's is a great compromise, but have yet to come across in a league

 

[oso diablo]

big fan of this. ran the #s a couple of years ago, and found that about 2/3 of receptions are for first down. just need a major stat service and a place like FBG to get the momentum going.

 

[footballnerd]

Meh. PPR, or catches, is a legit stat. It's not like you go to the hall of fame with 1400 career 1st down's. Besides, that stat is just too uncommon to have as a rule. Your average donkey in your league isn't going to be able to find that stat anywhere in his magazine.

A while back there were few if any PPR leagues. Before then, many leagues (most maybe?) were TD only. Two QB leagues were once unheard of and are now more popular.Essentially, things evolve and the tools will evolve with them (i.e. sources for the stats).

No doubt, I'm still waiting for FBG to make some projections that include return leagues so I don't have to calculate. New types of leagues are fun. I actually wouldn't mind playing in a 0.5 ppr that also awards an additional 0.5 for 1st downs.

 

[ookook]

If one wants to have more equity ACROSS positions, PPR is a VERY poor way to go about it, as it disrupts rank order WITHIN

The best solution is to make yards for WRs worth .125 and TDs 7.5. TEs can be .15 and 9.

The rank order is then unchanged within a position, but there is no more dispursion and a higher mean FPs.

Works quite well.

Also, should deal with supply and demand by starting 4 WRs and 2 TEs.

 

[Concept Coop]

any rule that relates ff to nfl is a good one, but in this case we are getting away from the purpose of ppr to begin with. ppr was meant to equalize wr's to rb's. the farther you get away from a small but dominate group of players, the more competitive leagues will be. i would guess rb's gain more first downs that a particular wr would. and so that would give the dominate position (non ppr rb's) even more of an advantage over wr's. if we are talking 'non ppr. 0 points per rushing first down. 1 point per rec first down'. then that is something that would help close the gap between the two positions. off the top of my head, this would be very similar to a normal .5 ppr league.the 'latest' attempt to equalize all positions is the ppr, 1.5te scoring. which i personally think is way too much for a te. gates is = to foster and cj in this format. and right now, witten>>austin or aj!!i always thought .75ppr for rb's, 1ppr for wr's, 1.25 ppr for te's is a great compromise, but have yet to come across in a league

You want WRs to have closer value to a RB? Q/R/R/W/W/W/TE, no flex. If you want to be even more drastic, Q/R/R/W/W/W/W/TE. There are ways to make the WR more valuable than adding PPR. If you can't tell, I am not a PPR fan. A 1 yard reception should not be worth more than a 9 yards run, no matter how you slice it, in my opinion.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

So if it's 3rd and 1 and the RB runs for a yard and gets the 1st down he is awarded a point ? That seems silly. No thanks. PPR is the only way to play. .5 PPR is actually the most fair.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

How many first downs does a player avg per game. I wouldn't think very many.I think 1 pt per rec is def too much, but 0.5 per rec is reasonable and what all my leagues play. With the number of drops by receivers these days 0.5 pts is a fair reward.

1st down receptions are an official tracked NFL stat and the CBS scoring feed picks it up.It will vary by player but for WR's, on average I've estimated that 65-70% of overall receptions are 1st down receptions.

 

[videoguy505]

There's a couple-plus years old article here on FBG's analyzing PPFDR (point per first down reception).

Edit for link: http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2007/07pasquino_ppd.php

 

[Stinkin Ref]

if it is 2nd and 1 and Welker gets a 1 yard reception should that be worth as much as a 10 yard run.........?

my two main leagues started out at .33 ppr.......

one league then moved to .5 ppr with TE's getting .75.....I don't see it going any higher and it works for us.........

 

[footballnerd]

I seriously don't know anyone that plays 1pt per reception.

PPR is no longer a literal term, its now just an acronym for 0.X per reception.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

There should also be points for good blocks. Negative points for penalties. Points for drawn penalties. Negative points for poorly run routes.

That's nothing. In my Big Money league, where the majority of us are professional mathematicians, we utilize a saber-metric based statistical scoring system comprised of over 90 parameters.Last season, Julius Jones finished as the top overall scorer and our Super Bowl was won on a Chris Kluwe intentional grounding call on a fake-punt pass play.

 

[Choke]

In non-PPR...

Currently, with the NFL climate being what it is, has WRs showing to be just as valuable as RBs in my leagues.

Seems to be more "untouchable" WRs then there are RBs or QBs.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

There should also be points for good blocks. Negative points for penalties. Points for drawn penalties. Negative points for poorly run routes.

That's nothing. In my Big Money league, where the majority of us are professional mathematicians, we utilize a saber-metric based statistical scoring system comprised of over 90 parameters.Last season, Julius Jones finished as the top overall scorer and our Super Bowl was won on a Chris Kluwe intentional grounding call on a fake-punt pass play.

I started Shane Lechler that week instead of Kluwe to keep that very thing from happening to me and cruised to the title...........

 

[LAUNCH]

If one wants to have more equity ACROSS positions, PPR is a VERY poor way to go about it, as it disrupts rank order WITHINThe best solution is to make yards for WRs worth .125 and TDs 7.5. TEs can be .15 and 9.The rank order is then unchanged within a position, but there is no more dispursion and a higher mean FPs.Works quite well.Also, should deal with supply and demand by starting 4 WRs and 2 TEs.

In my main league we use .125 for WR and TEs and it evens things out. In the other league we use PPR and it's pretty lame imo because of all the cheap scoring by RBs.

 

[massraider]

[whine/]

But if my guy gets a 9 yard carry, and some other guy falls forward for 1 yard, it's the same amount of points. It's not fair [whine]

Find a scoring system you dig, and go with it. There's no perfect system, and whiny DBags will always point out some absurd convoluted scenario where scrubs become artificially valuable.

I am always mildly amused by the anti-PPR contingent, that apparently thinks there are dozens of backs collecting countless 1 yard receptions every week.

 

[Jrcwy]

There should also be points for good blocks. Negative points for penalties. Points for drawn penalties. Negative points for poorly run routes.

Any reason for your built up hostility towards the Bengals wide-receiving core?Personally, I can appreciate those that continuously adapt new scoring formats to equalize positions and add new life to the game, but I still prefer some of the more traditional scoring leagues. My priority on Sundays still is undoubtedly watching the Dolphins game. With a more basic scoring format, I can get a general idea of how my fantasy players are doing through the stat tracker or halftime updates when I see a players yards, receptions, and touchdowns. I can keep my attention on watching real football instead off refreshing every 30 seconds to see if I was just awarded 0.309 points for an excessive celebration penalty on Green Bay's backup right guard.

 

[Liquid Tension]

There should also be points for good blocks. Negative points for penalties. Points for drawn penalties. Negative points for poorly run routes.

In regard to blocks and routes, there are no metrics (and yes, I understand you were being tongue in cheek). The fact is the first down is a recognized stat, easily measurable and represents significant impact on a game - moreso than simply catches made imo.

Only if you separate first downs that lead to scores. Why reward a first down that just leads to a punt?Maybe make it point per first down in opponent territory.

So you want to reward a half a point for PPR but not reward a 1st down reception unless it leads to a TD? Getting a 1st down does a lot of things. For one you keep your drive alive (and thus stop the other team), you obviously got needed yards as opposed to 3rd and 30 where you get 15 yards which will help a punt, but may end up at the 45 yard line of the other team and is not worth that much. Bottom line is getting a 1st down is always good.Someone said receptions mean a lot, but by themselves they don't mean much. You could have 1000 receptions for 1000 yards so how good was that. I don't think a reception is worth anything unless yards are attached to it...I saw someone wrote that CBS allows first downs as a stat...that is good. Has anyone else used it and what do you give for a 1st down and what is your scoring. I could see a point for a 1st down in non PPR?

 

[Liquid Tension]

any rule that relates ff to nfl is a good one, but in this case we are getting away from the purpose of ppr to begin with. ppr was meant to equalize wr's to rb's. the farther you get away from a small but dominate group of players, the more competitive leagues will be. i would guess rb's gain more first downs that a particular wr would. and so that would give the dominate position (non ppr rb's) even more of an advantage over wr's. if we are talking 'non ppr. 0 points per rushing first down. 1 point per rec first down'. then that is something that would help close the gap between the two positions. off the top of my head, this would be very similar to a normal .5 ppr league.the 'latest' attempt to equalize all positions is the ppr, 1.5te scoring. which i personally think is way too much for a te. gates is = to foster and cj in this format. and right now, witten>>austin or aj!!i always thought .75ppr for rb's, 1ppr for wr's, 1.25 ppr for te's is a great compromise, but have yet to come across in a league

This is a good point and yes that is what the purpose of PPR is, however, my feeling is that it is too artificial. I know leagues where teh scoring is really crazy just to equalize everyone. I am ok with things not being fully equal, but one of the things I was thinking was TE's get a lot of 1st downs and this would help their value. I haven't looked at the stats about who gets more 1st downs RB's or WR's but my guess is one of the 2 main RB's would get more than 1 of the 3-4 targets being thrown to?

 

[Liquid Tension]

any rule that relates ff to nfl is a good one, but in this case we are getting away from the purpose of ppr to begin with. ppr was meant to equalize wr's to rb's. the farther you get away from a small but dominate group of players, the more competitive leagues will be.

i would guess rb's gain more first downs that a particular wr would. and so that would give the dominate position (non ppr rb's) even more of an advantage over wr's. if we are talking 'non ppr. 0 points per rushing first down. 1 point per rec first down'. then that is something that would help close the gap between the two positions. off the top of my head, this would be very similar to a normal .5 ppr league.

the 'latest' attempt to equalize all positions is the ppr, 1.5te scoring. which i personally think is way too much for a te. gates is = to foster and cj in this format. and right now, witten>>austin or aj!!

i always thought .75ppr for rb's, 1ppr for wr's, 1.25 ppr for te's is a great compromise, but have yet to come across in a league

You want WRs to have closer value to a RB? Q/R/R/W/W/W/TE, no flex. If you want to be even more drastic, Q/R/R/W/W/W/W/TE. There are ways to make the WR more valuable than adding PPR. If you can't tell, I am not a PPR fan. A 1 yard reception should not be worth more than a 9 yards run, no matter how you slice it, in my opinion.

agreed

 

[the moops]

found that about 2/3 of receptions are for first down.

How about you just give 2/3 ppr then? Seems like it would all even out for the most part.

 

[Liquid Tension]

So if it's 3rd and 1 and the RB runs for a yard and gets the 1st down he is awarded a point ? That seems silly. No thanks. PPR is the only way to play. .5 PPR is actually the most fair.

Your logic could be used to show the inequity of PPR and in PPR your play may really have NO value...the 1st down is ALWAYS valuable!Maybe no PPR but .5 point for every 1st down?

 

[Liquid Tension]

Personally, I can appreciate those that continuously adapt new scoring formats to equalize positions and add new life to the game, but I still prefer some of the more traditional scoring leagues. My priority on Sundays still is undoubtedly watching the Dolphins game. With a more basic scoring format, I can get a general idea of how my fantasy players are doing through the stat tracker or halftime updates when I see a players yards, receptions, and touchdowns. I can keep my attention on watching real football instead off refreshing every 30 seconds to see if I was just awarded 0.309 points for an excessive celebration penalty on Green Bay's backup right guard.

I agree that it is not good to have too many hard to follow stats and there is something pure about a 6 pt TD, a 3 pt FG and .1 point for every yard without figuring out whether it is a receiver or TE etc...This is one reason why I don't like PPR, but mostly it is because it is really no different than a hand off because the yards are what matters. I thought 1st downs may be cool because I could see see feeling good about your player every time he gets a 1st down.Many people seemed to think that about 60-65% of all receptions go for 1st downs...that is higher than I originally thought...I guess the question would be what is the breakdown? I am going to go back and read the article someone posted about this.Thanks for the feedback, but i would like to see more sites get this as an option because I like it.

 

[Liquid Tension]

found that about 2/3 of receptions are for first down.

How about you just give 2/3 ppr then? Seems like it would all even out for the most part.

well you would actually be rewarding the plays that did matter and not rewarding the bad ones so it more than evens out, it is accurate...

 

[Liquid Tension]

[whine/]

But if my guy gets a 9 yard carry, and some other guy falls forward for 1 yard, it's the same amount of points. It's not fair [whine]

Find a scoring system you dig, and go with it. There's no perfect system, and whiny DBags will always point out some absurd convoluted scenario where scrubs become artificially valuable.

I am always mildly amused by the anti-PPR contingent, that apparently thinks there are dozens of backs collecting countless 1 yard receptions every week.

You miss the point on the bolded part. It is the fact that a shovel pass or the WR screen gets points for nothing and also it is the yards that matter not the reception and you are already rewarding for the yards so why inflate for a recpetion...in fact, if you really want to reward receivers you would be smarter to give them more for every yard they receive at it then values it better.

 

[Liquid Tension]

There's a couple-plus years old article here on FBG's analyzing PPFDR (point per first down reception).

Edit for link: http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2007/07pasquino_ppd.php

Thanks...this was great It showed that RB's don't get the advantage of receptions and that would be the way to score. You get a point for every reception for a 1st down. This rewards TE's and WR's more than RB's.

 

[ookook]

But why not just make the yards or scores of WRs and TEs worth more than RBs? Why invent new scoring categories contrived to advantage one position more than others but that still disrupts which players within a position are more valueable?

Edit: I don't mind awarding fp's for 1st downs, but should be all first downs not just receiving.

 

[massraider]

[whine/]

But if my guy gets a 9 yard carry, and some other guy falls forward for 1 yard, it's the same amount of points. It's not fair [whine]

Find a scoring system you dig, and go with it. There's no perfect system, and whiny DBags will always point out some absurd convoluted scenario where scrubs become artificially valuable.

I am always mildly amused by the anti-PPR contingent, that apparently thinks there are dozens of backs collecting countless 1 yard receptions every week.

You miss the point on the bolded part. It is the fact that a shovel pass or the WR screen gets points for nothing and also it is the yards that matter not the reception and you are already rewarding for the yards so why inflate for a recpetion...in fact, if you really want to reward receivers you would be smarter to give them more for every yard they receive at it then values it better.

You miss the point of the line above the bolded part. You can make a similar argument for any sort of scoring system beyond TD-only. Before fractional points, people would get the same points for 10 yards or 19 yards. And that wasn't fair, but everyone was playing the same scoring system. I like being able to build a team with WRs if you choose, and that just seems easier in a PPR. Maybe it's not, I don't know really. But I enjoy the extra strategy, and it has never really occurred to me to adjust because of catches that are negative. Just seems to me that most catches are good things. And the number of ones that ARE negative isn't big enough to matter. I mean, shovel passes?? How many of these have we had this year? Four? Five? None??

 

[shortbow]

Curious, I only play PPR so our opinions are obviously gonna be different. Why do you have a problem with PPR? Majority of receptions are for first downs regardless so that makes me think is about RBs getting pts for receptions which is equally confusing.

If I had a choice WR 1PPR, RB 1.5PPR and TE 2PPR.

Just seems like an extreme stance to take, if you dont like PPR dont play it, all it does is give values to the players that actually perform. IMO Non-PPR FF is whoever drafts the best RB core.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Meh. PPR, or catches, is a legit stat. It's not like you go to the hall of fame with 1400 career 1st down's.

Besides, that stat is just too uncommon to have as a rule. Your average donkey in your league isn't going to be able to find that stat anywhere in his magazine.

I agree, HoF voters are dumb.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Curious, I only play PPR so our opinions are obviously gonna be different. Why do you have a problem with PPR? Majority of receptions are for first downs regardless so that makes me think is about RBs getting pts for receptions which is equally confusing.

If I had a choice WR 1PPR, RB 1.5PPR and TE 2PPR.

Just seems like an extreme stance to take, if you dont like PPR dont play it, all it does is give values to the players that actually perform. IMO Non-PPR FF is whoever drafts the best RB core.

My issue with it is that a reception has no value to a football team. A 5 yard reception is not any better than 5 yard carry, so why reward someone like Reggie Bush who is more apt to get a 5 yard catch vs Micheal Turner who is far more likely to get a 5 yard run. (wow, didn't think I'd be an ATL player advocate)

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Personally, I can appreciate those that continuously adapt new scoring formats to equalize positions and add new life to the game, but I still prefer some of the more traditional scoring leagues. My priority on Sundays still is undoubtedly watching the Dolphins game. With a more basic scoring format, I can get a general idea of how my fantasy players are doing through the stat tracker or halftime updates when I see a players yards, receptions, and touchdowns. I can keep my attention on watching real football instead off refreshing every 30 seconds to see if I was just awarded 0.309 points for an excessive celebration penalty on Green Bay's backup right guard.

I agree that it is not good to have too many hard to follow stats and there is something pure about a 6 pt TD, a 3 pt FG and .1 point for every yard without figuring out whether it is a receiver or TE etc...This is one reason why I don't like PPR, but mostly it is because it is really no different than a hand off because the yards are what matters. I thought 1st downs may be cool because I could see see feeling good about your player every time he gets a 1st down.Many people seemed to think that about 60-65% of all receptions go for 1st downs...that is higher than I originally thought...I guess the question would be what is the breakdown? I am going to go back and read the article someone posted about this.Thanks for the feedback, but i would like to see more sites get this as an option because I like it.

With every site seeming offering live scoring and the number of mobile internet access growing rapidly, I don't think having a simple scoring system that can be down while watching a game is that big of an issue anymore.

 

[roadkill1292]

MFL and CBS both support scoring for first down receptions, though MFL has a disclaimer about not updating live scoring. Sportsline does update its live scoring to a degree -- they can handle the routine first down plays but they go back and add in points for TDs later, which are also first downs officially.

My main league uses PPFDR exclusively in lieu of any other kind of PPR system, thanks largely to Jeff Pasquino's article cited above. It's just about perfect.

 

[SWC]

I think PPR make ssense because you have to get open to catch a pass which should be rewarded itself by 1 point but a RB doesn't have to get open because they just get handed the ball and so there should not be a point per rush given which would, in anyhow, make a lot fo feature backs get 20 points just for showing up which would be unfair.

In short, I support PPR and do no support those who are opposed.

I approved this message.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

There's no right or wrong way to score fantasy football. Every scoring system ever invented has "flaws."

My local league, in its third decade now, has awarded 6 points for rushing TDs, but only 3 points for passing and receiving TDs. I think one year someone had Bobby Hebert and Andre Rison or something, and everyone complained that he was getting "double" points for every TD pass from one to the other. I've pointed out how stupid this is on many occasions but the rule has been in place ever since. But you know what? I like the guys in the league, even if they're not the brightest bunch, and the rules are the same for everyone, so that's really all that matters.

If you want to award points for first downs, or receptions, or penalties drawn, or the number of pink items worn during Breast Cancer Awareness Month, no one can say one way is better than any other. As long as you have 9-11 other guys who also want to play in that scoring system, go with it. Don't try to convince anyone else that it's "better" than any other system, and don't let anyone else convince you it's "worse," because it's neither.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

after reading some of the threads I would be careful with some of these leagues that are going above a point per reception....giving a TE 2 PPR is a little over the top.......3 catches would equal a TD and I am not sure anybody wants to take it that far..........

 

[Rick James]

Anyone ever toyed around with changing QB scoring? instead of yards + TDs, why not do something like QB Rating X 0.25

It would still reward elite QBs like Manning and Brees, but it would also create incentive to draft a good NFL qb who may not be in a great offense over a QB in a great situation who's not as good

I don't know, just something I've thought about

 

[ookook]

In a start 1 QB league we have been using 6/TD, -2/INT, .075/yard.

Has given added value to the QB position compared to the .05/yard.

I should mention, again to beat the horse, that the ranking within the position is same as 4/TD, -1/INT, .05 yard. All that has changed ix value relative to other positions.

 

[renesauz]

I've never quite understood this push, and it pops up 2 or 3 times a year in the Shark Pool.

While the logic behind PPFD is based on logical premise, it is, in the end, every bit as flawed as the PPR it's intended to "fix".

SUddenly, a six yard reception on 2nd and 5 is worth the same as a 16 yard catch on 1st and 20? How is THAT any different than a RB catching a 1 yard outlet pass being the same as a 11 yard run?

How about when that outlet pass saves his QB from a sack that would have been a loss of 7?

In the end, any system you can devise will have situations where the rewarded points don't align with the real NFL value. You can't fix it, no matter how hard you try. SO instead of trying to fix it, stick with metrics and measurements that are easy to follow, and relatively easy to predict.

PPFD is becoming easy to follow, but I'm not so sure they will EVER be remotely easy to predict. Any small advantage gained in "reasonable value relative to NFL value" (which is arguable) is more than lost in relative predictability.

 

[oso diablo]

found that about 2/3 of receptions are for first down.

How about you just give 2/3 ppr then? Seems like it would all even out for the most part.

it's a reasonable proxy if it (PPFDR) feels too voodoo for a league