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Interesting yards-per-attempt data from preseason (1 Viewer)

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I am a firm believer that yards-per-attempt (YPA) is a great barometer of a team's offense. QBs that throw the ball down the field open up the running game and make an overall offense much more effective. Here were the top 5 teams last year in YPA:

1) NE

2) Dallas

3) GB

4) Indy

5) Jax

These were clearly the elite offenses in the NFL. All these teams had great running games as well as passing games. There are numerous 1st and 2nd round fantasy picks on these teams.

By contrast, here were the 5 worst YPA teams from 2007:

28) St. Louis

29) Baltimore

30) Miami

31) Carolina

32) SF

Two of these teams were in the bottom five due to injury, the other three due to ineffective QB play. Most of these teams struggled to put up fantasy points.

Here is the 2007 data for all 32 teams:

New England 8.1

Dallas Cowboys 7.7

Green Bay Packers 7.5

Indianapolis Colts 7.3

Jacksonville Jaguars 7.1

Houston Texans 7.1

Cincinnati Bengals 7.0

Denver Broncos 7.0

Pittsburgh Steelers 6.9

Arizona Cardinals 6.9

Tampa Bay Bucs 6.9

Cleveland Browns 6.8

Seattle Seahawks 6.7

New Orleans Saints 6.6

Detroit Lions 6.6

Washington Redskins 6.6

Philadelphia Eagles 6.5

San Diego Chargers 6.4

Minnesota Vikings 6.4

Tennessee Titans 6.2

Atlanta Falcons 5.9

Buffalo Bills 5.9

Chicago Bears 5.9

New York Jets 5.9

Oakland Raiders 5.8

New York Giants 5.8

Kansas City Chiefs 5.7

St. Louis Rams 5.6

Baltimore Ravens 5.4

Miami Dolphins 5.4

Carolina Panthers 5.4

San Francisco 49ers 4.5

And here is the 2008 preseason data:

Detroit Lions 8.1

New York Jets 7.7

Seattle Seahawks 7.2

San Francisco 49ers 7.0

New Orleans Saints 6.9

Houston Texans 6.8

Denver Broncos 6.6

Dallas Cowboys 6.5

Arizona Cardinals 6.3

Carolina Panthers 6.1

Chicago Bears 6.1

Jacksonville Jaguars 6.1

Cleveland Browns 5.8

Philadelphia Eagles 5.8

Indianapolis Colts 5.6

Miami Dolphins 5.6

New York Giants 5.6

St. Louis Rams 5.5

Minnesota Vikings 5.5

Buffalo Bills 5.4

Washington Redskins 5.4

New England Patriots 5.3

Tennessee Titans 5.3

Atlanta Falcons 5.2

Pittsburgh Steelers 5.2

Tampa Bay Buccaneers 5.2

San Diego Chargers 5.1

Oakland Raiders 5.0

Green Bay Packers 5.0

Kansas City Chiefs 5.0

Cincinnati Bengals 4.8

Baltimore Ravens 4.3

Now, with all the caveats that the preseason brings, here were the top YPAs from the preseason:

1) Detroit (Calvin Johnson effect?)

2) New York Jets (#4)

3) Seattle

4) San Francisco (Martz!)

5) New Orleans

And now the bottom five:

28) Oakland

29) Green Bay (no more #4)

30) KC

31) Cincy (uh oh)

32) Baltimore

Notes:

- Brett Favre effect: Green Bay dropped 26 slots, while the Jets jumped 22 slots. How could this be coincidence? My theory until proven different is that Green Bay will struggle and the Jets will shine. The caveat to this, however, is that Green Bay also ranked very low in the 2007 preseason.

- Martz effect: San Fran jumped 28 slots. Martz is a mad genius. That offense may very well be back.

- Cincy dropped 24 slots. However, they finished 26th in the 2007 preseason, so may be of little predictive value. All the talk about Cincy looking bad in the preseason could be overblown.

- Pittsburgh dropped 16 slots. I think that is probably due to a very tough preseason schedule that included Philly, Minnesota & Buffalo.

- Carolina jumped 21 slots. Delhomme being back is huge.

- Other increases: Detroit +14, Miami +14, Chicago +12, Seattle +10, St. Louis +10. QB changes in Miami & Chicago; a return to health for St. Louis. Calvin Johnson could be a freak. Not sure what happened in Seattle. Chicago also had a strong 2007 preseason, but lost it. Could be that they just shift to much more of a conservative philosophy in the regular season. Detroit also had a fall back from the preseason.

 
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Notes:- Brett Favre effect: Green Bay dropped 26 slots, while the Jets jumped 22 slots. How could this be coincidence? My theory until proven different is that Green Bay will struggle and the Jets will shine.
You may not realize that Favre only threw 18 passes in the preseason and actually lowered the overall Jets' YPA. In addition, Rogers had a higher YPA than Favre and GB's low number was due to their backups, most notably, Brohm's 3.7 average. Those preseason stats are meaningless as well as the conclusions you are drawing from them.
 
Notes:- Brett Favre effect: Green Bay dropped 26 slots, while the Jets jumped 22 slots. How could this be coincidence? My theory until proven different is that Green Bay will struggle and the Jets will shine.
You may not realize that Favre only threw 18 passes in the preseason and actually lowered the overall Jets' YPA. In addition, Rogers had a higher YPA than Favre and GB's low number was due to their backups, most notably, Brohm's 3.7 average. Those preseason stats are meaningless as well as the conclusions you are drawing from them.
Maybe it is the improved line then? And maybe they are meaningless. Then ignore the post. I went back and looked at the 2007 preseason. The Jets were 23rd; finished the season 24th. The 49ers were 24th; finished the season 32nd. Four of the top five in preseason YPA finished the season in the top ten. Three of the preseason bottom five finished in the bottom five. To me, that is an indication that the preseason is at least of some predictive value.
 
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Notes:- Brett Favre effect: Green Bay dropped 26 slots, while the Jets jumped 22 slots. How could this be coincidence? My theory until proven different is that Green Bay will struggle and the Jets will shine.
You may not realize that Favre only threw 18 passes in the preseason and actually lowered the overall Jets' YPA. In addition, Rogers had a higher YPA than Favre and GB's low number was due to their backups, most notably, Brohm's 3.7 average. Those preseason stats are meaningless as well as the conclusions you are drawing from them.
Maybe it is the improved line then? And maybe they are meaningless. Then ignore the post. I went back and looked at the 2007 preseason. The Jets were 23rd; finished the season 24th. The 49ers were 24th; finished the season 32nd. Four of the top five in preseason YPA finished the season in the top ten. Three of the preseason bottom five finished in the bottom five. To me, that is an indication that the preseason is at least of some predictive value.
sounds to me you're doing a :lmao: on the Niners/Martz combo...you have Gore or something?! D. McFadden had one of the highest ypc avg's in preseason..wanna bet Oakland doesn't finish in the bottom 5 in rush yards this season!?:paralysis_by_over_analysis:
 
give me 2007 preseason data and let's see how well it hold ups vs. the regular season data. I'd bet there's little correlation.

 
Notes:- Brett Favre effect: Green Bay dropped 26 slots, while the Jets jumped 22 slots. How could this be coincidence? My theory until proven different is that Green Bay will struggle and the Jets will shine.
You may not realize that Favre only threw 18 passes in the preseason and actually lowered the overall Jets' YPA. In addition, Rogers had a higher YPA than Favre and GB's low number was due to their backups, most notably, Brohm's 3.7 average. Those preseason stats are meaningless as well as the conclusions you are drawing from them.
Maybe it is the improved line then? And maybe they are meaningless. Then ignore the post. I went back and looked at the 2007 preseason. The Jets were 23rd; finished the season 24th. The 49ers were 24th; finished the season 32nd. Four of the top five in preseason YPA finished the season in the top ten. Three of the preseason bottom five finished in the bottom five. To me, that is an indication that the preseason is at least of some predictive value.
sounds to me you're doing a :D on the Niners/Martz combo...you have Gore or something?! D. McFadden had one of the highest ypc avg's in preseason..wanna bet Oakland doesn't finish in the bottom 5 in rush yards this season!?:paralysis_by_over_analysis:
Yes, I do own Gore. Look at this:2006 49ers YPA: 6.5 ====> 2007: 5.22006 49ers YPC: 4.9 ====> 2007: 4.1My logic is this:1) YPA translates to higher YPC2) Martz will increase SF YPA3) Therefore, SF YPC will increaseTheir preseason YPA was 7.0. Almost anytime a new QB has resulted in a higher YPA, the team's YPC has gone up. If you don't believe me, just peruse the data.
 
give me 2007 preseason data and let's see how well it hold ups vs. the regular season data. I'd bet there's little correlation.
Detroit Lions 8.1 JacksonvilleJaguars 7.7 Pittsburgh Steelers 7.4 Seattle Seahawks 6.7 Dallas Cowboys 6.7 Buffalo Bills 6.5 San Diego 6.5 Tampa Bay 6.5 Arizona Cardinals 6.4 Tennessee Titans 6.4 Cleveland Browns 6.4 Carolina Panthers 6.3 Chicago Bears 6.3 New Orleans 6.3 New England 6.2 Atlanta Falcons 6.1 Denver Broncos 6.1 St. Louis 6.0 Houston Texans 6.0 PhiladelphiaEagles 6.0 Oakland Raiders 6.0 IndianapolisColts 6.0 New Jets 5.9 San Francisco 5.6 WashingtonRedskins 5.6 Cincinnati Bengals 5.5 Baltimore Ravens 5.3 Green Bay 5.2 Minnesota Vikings 5.2 Miami Dolphins 4.9 Kansas City 4.8 New Giants 4.6
 
I don%t think you can really take away much from this. For comparison on the top 5 and bottom 5 teams plus a few other notables I added regular vs. preseason data. Not very helpful especially for the top 5. Detroit was #1 last preseason and it didn%t translate to a great regular season.

Regular / Preseason 2007

New England 8.1 /6.2

Dallas Cowboys 7.7 /6.5

Green Bay Packers 7.5 /5.2

Indianapolis Colts 7.3 /6.0

Jacksonville Jaguars 7.1 /7.7

Houston Texans 7.1 /6.0

Cincinnati Bengals 7.0 /5.5

Denver Broncos 7.0

Pittsburgh Steelers 6.9 /7.4

Arizona Cardinals 6.9

Tampa Bay Bucs 6.9

Cleveland Browns 6.8

Seattle Seahawks 6.7

New Orleans Saints 6.6

Detroit Lions 6.6 /8.1

Washington Redskins 6.6

Philadelphia Eagles 6.5

San Diego Chargers 6.4 /6.5

Minnesota Vikings 6.4

Tennessee Titans 6.2

Atlanta Falcons 5.9

Buffalo Bills 5.9

Chicago Bears 5.9

New York Jets 5.9

Oakland Raiders 5.8

New York Giants 5.8

Kansas City Chiefs 5.7

St. Louis Rams 5.6 /6.0

Baltimore Ravens 5.4 /5.3

Miami Dolphins 5.4 /4.9

Carolina Panthers 5.4 /6.3

San Francisco 49ers 4.5 /5.6

 
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I am a firm believer that yards-per-attempt (YPA) is a great barometer of a team's offense. QBs that throw the ball down the field open up the running game and make an overall offense much more effective. Here were the top 5 teams last year in YPA:1) NE2) Dallas3) GB4) Indy5) JaxThese were clearly the elite offenses in the NFL. All these teams had great running games as well as passing games. There are numerous 1st and 2nd round fantasy picks on these teams.By contrast, here were the 5 worst YPA teams from 2007:28) St. Louis29) Baltimore30) Miami31) Carolina32) SFTwo of these teams were in the bottom five due to injury, the other three due to ineffective QB play. Most of these teams struggled to put up fantasy points.Here is the 2007 data for all 32 teams:New England 8.1 Dallas Cowboys 7.7 Green Bay Packers 7.5 Indianapolis Colts 7.3 Jacksonville Jaguars 7.1 Houston Texans 7.1 Cincinnati Bengals 7.0 Denver Broncos 7.0 Pittsburgh Steelers 6.9 Arizona Cardinals 6.9 Tampa Bay Bucs 6.9 Cleveland Browns 6.8 Seattle Seahawks 6.7 New Orleans Saints 6.6 Detroit Lions 6.6 Washington Redskins 6.6 Philadelphia Eagles 6.5 San Diego Chargers 6.4 Minnesota Vikings 6.4 Tennessee Titans 6.2 Atlanta Falcons 5.9 Buffalo Bills 5.9 Chicago Bears 5.9 New York Jets 5.9 Oakland Raiders 5.8 New York Giants 5.8 Kansas City Chiefs 5.7 St. Louis Rams 5.6 Baltimore Ravens 5.4 Miami Dolphins 5.4 Carolina Panthers 5.4 San Francisco 49ers 4.5 And here is the 2008 preseason data:Detroit Lions 8.1 New York Jets 7.7 Seattle Seahawks 7.2 San Francisco 49ers 7.0 New Orleans Saints 6.9 Houston Texans 6.8 Denver Broncos 6.6 Dallas Cowboys 6.5 Arizona Cardinals 6.3 Carolina Panthers 6.1 Chicago Bears 6.1 Jacksonville Jaguars 6.1 Cleveland Browns 5.8 Philadelphia Eagles 5.8 Indianapolis Colts 5.6 Miami Dolphins 5.6 New York Giants 5.6 St. Louis Rams 5.5 Minnesota Vikings 5.5 Buffalo Bills 5.4 Washington Redskins 5.4 New England Patriots 5.3 Tennessee Titans 5.3 Atlanta Falcons 5.2 Pittsburgh Steelers 5.2 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 5.2 San Diego Chargers 5.1 Oakland Raiders 5.0 Green Bay Packers 5.0 Kansas City Chiefs 5.0 Cincinnati Bengals 4.8 Baltimore Ravens 4.3 Now, with all the caveats that the preseason brings, here were the top YPAs from the preseason:1) Detroit (Calvin Johnson effect?)2) New York Jets (#4)3) Seattle4) San Francisco (Martz!)5) New OrleansAnd now the bottom five:28) Oakland29) Green Bay (no more #4)30) KC31) Cincy (uh oh)32) BaltimoreNotes:- Brett Favre effect: Green Bay dropped 26 slots, while the Jets jumped 22 slots. How could this be coincidence? My theory until proven different is that Green Bay will struggle and the Jets will shine. The caveat to this, however, is that Green Bay also ranked very low in the 2007 preseason.- Martz effect: San Fran jumped 28 slots. Martz is a mad genius. That offense may very well be back.- Cincy dropped 24 slots. However, they finished 26th in the 2007 preseason, so may be of little predictive value. All the talk about Cincy looking bad in the preseason could be overblown.- Pittsburgh dropped 16 slots. I think that is probably due to a very tough preseason schedule that included Philly, Minnesota & Buffalo.- Carolina jumped 21 slots. Delhomme being back is huge.- Other increases: Detroit +14, Miami +14, Chicago +12, Seattle +10, St. Louis +10. QB changes in Miami & Chicago; a return to health for St. Louis. Calvin Johnson could be a freak. Not sure what happened in Seattle. Chicago also had a strong 2007 preseason, but lost it. Could be that they just shift to much more of a conservative philosophy in the regular season. Detroit also had a fall back from the preseason.
are preason YPA correllative with real IPA (how was last years pre-season YPA)But i like where this is going.Paging Dodds,
 
Well, now I know that Dennis Dixon throwing to Nate Washington and Limas Sweed isn't going to be as effective as Ben Roethlisberger throwing to Santonio Holmes and Hines Ward.

Backup QBs play way too much in the preseason to care at all about YPA numbers.

 
I applaud your research

Many teams won't play much more than their base defense and won't do anything fancy on D in the preseason. Most of the offensive stats seem to be from backups, not the one's playing in the regular season.

It's interesting just the same though

 
How hard would it be for you to adjust to 3 games instead of 4 preseason games? Not every team gets their starters real involved in the 4th one. Curious how it would swing if at all

 
i think the most interesting thing about this study is that even though the starter usually come out after the 1st quarter, the backups and 3rd stingers still run the same playbook.. so i think this could *possibly* determine the effectiveness of their playbook, meaning the in-season stats might look similar..

i personally am skeptical, but it is an interesting correlation btwn the top and bottom teams...

 

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