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Internet Shaming - A thought on the Coldplay Kiss Cam Thing (9 Viewers)

Joe Bryant

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Thought this was an interesting take on this. I think I mostly agree.

The Coldplay Couple Did Something Bad. The Internet Did Something Worse.

The original function of public shaming was to keep the bonds of community strong. Now, it’s a spectator sport.

By Kat Rosenfield

As a novelist, I would struggle to imagine a more surreal or absurd scene than last week’s viral incident at a Coldplay concert—to the point where if I wrote it into one of my books, my editor would likely send it back with a note politely asking me to please tone it down.

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The biggest scandal on the internet right now started with the video, which you’ve surely seen: a jumbotron lights up with the image of a middle-aged couple, obviously and blissfully in love, swaying in each other’s arms on a beautiful summer night. “Oh, look at these two,” says Coldplay’s lead singer, Chris Martin—and all hell breaks loose. Their smiles are replaced by looks of sheer panic. She spins away, flinging her hands over her very red face. He dives out of frame, frantically waving his arms like he’s trying to push the camera away with the power of telekinesis.

“Either they’re having an affair or they’re just very shy,” Martin quips.

The internet understood the assignment. Seemingly within minutes, online sleuths had identified the pair. He was the CEO of a software start-up called Astronomer; she was his head of HR. And yes, they were both married to other people, whose identities the online masses also took it upon themselves to sniff out and publicize.

It was a full-bore public shaming, imbued with an unhinged and vicious glee that we hadn’t experienced since, well, the last time millions of strangers rallied to the cause of destroying someone’s life—but magnified by the fact that everything and everyone involved was a standard menu item at the Things You Love to Hate buffet. Adultery. CEOs. HR representatives. Rich people with linen shirts and expensive highlights. Coldplay, for that matter.

The resulting cancellation wasn’t just energetic; it was inspired. Someone wrote a fake statement from the CEO, a too-good-to-verify non-apology that went instantly viral. At the same time, mainstream outlets reported (accurately) that the CEO had resigned. Meanwhile, the incident triggered a tidal wave of content that is still rolling in as we speak. The image of the pair at the moment of discovery, their smiles still in place but their eyes wide with panic, was instantly remixed into joke memes ranging from the political to the absurd; the Phillies staged a kiss cam gag featuring their “Phanatic” mascot, a green muppet-like creature of indeterminate species, taking a nosedive to avoid being caught on camera with another muppet. On Etsy, one can now buy a T-shirt with the slogan “I Took My Sidepiece To The Coldplay Concert And It Ruined My Life.” A hundred thousand posts bloomed; a thousand commentators wrote thinkpieces about the ramifications of it all.

When we take joy in the distress and ruination of other people, we make monsters of ourselves.

Including this one. Because true, it’s hard not to feel that frisson of schadenfreude at seeing a couple of cheaters get theirs—especially when one is an unsympathetic millionaire and the other is very specifically in the business of scolding people that they should not, under any circumstances, and especially not these circumstances, be having sexual dalliances with their coworkers. Oh, the irony! And god, the satisfaction! And as defenders were swift to point out: This is just what people do to each other! Sure, the jumbotron is a novel twist, but public shaming has been a staple of human society since the dawn of time, a necessary correction to the social transgressors in our midst. As the writer Matt Ruff asked on X, “how much of this is genuinely new and how much just a writ-large version of small town social dynamics?”

And yet, the ability to take small-town social dynamics and write them large—so large that anyone with an internet connection, anywhere in the world, can log on and get their licks in at whomever has been declared the target of the day—that, right there, is what’s new. The original function of public shaming was to hold people accountable for doing things that tore at the fabric of social trust, to keep the bonds of community strong by punishing those who would weaken them. The worst pain of shaming wasn’t in being called names, or put naked in the stocks and pelted with dung; it was having to look into the faces of the people you’d hurt, people who sat beside you in church, who ate meals at your table, whose children played together with yours.

It’s not just that it’s impossible to replicate that dynamic on a global scale, online, where the people shaming you are a faceless, nameless, avatar-masked mob. It’s that the dynamic morphs into something twisted and poisonous when you free it from the bonds and bounds of community. Traditional shamings would inevitably be restrained by the knowledge that whatever you did to this person, you would have to live with the continued reminder of having done it; when it was all over, you and the transgressor would once again have to work, pray, and live together side by side. Online shamings lack this limiting principle; instead, they have no limiting principle at all, and their participants are motivated not by disappointment or duty but by sheer ravening bloodlust.

Forget about how this impacts people like the CEO and his mistress, garden-variety sinners who, through a combination of terrible luck and atrocious judgment, will be famous, and hated, for the rest of their lives. You don’t have to feel sorry for them (although I admit, I kind of do; there are literal mass murderers who enjoy more anonymity and less opprobrium than these two). If there’s a truly compelling reason not to normalize shaming as a global, always-on public spectator sport, it’s not that it degrades the humanity of the shamed; it’s not even the trite “who among us has not canoodled at a Coldplay concert with his sidepiece” justification. It’s simply this: When we take joy in the distress and ruination of other people, we make monsters of ourselves.
 
The 'Internet' didn't really do anything, they put themselves in the situation and they reacted the way they did to attract all the attention. Did they deserve all the consequences? Maybe not but they had to consider they would get caught. Maybe the how they got caught was somewhat unfair but was still their own actions that caused it.
 
No doubt the people are at fault. They did an awful thing cheating on their spouses. No question.

What the article hits on is we as society turning it into a spectator sport is ugly.

I think the last line is accurate: "When we take joy in the distress and ruination of other people, we make monsters of ourselves."
 
No doubt the people are at fault. They did an awful thing cheating on their spouses. No question.

What the article hits on is we as society turning it into a spectator sport is ugly.

I think the last line is accurate: "When we take joy in the distress and ruination of other people, we make monsters of ourselves."
I'm not sure people are taking joy in their distress and ruination, just finding humor in the ridiculousness of what happened.
 
The worst pain of shaming wasn’t in being called names, or put naked in the stocks and pelted with dung; it was having to look into the faces of the people you’d hurt, people who sat beside you in church, who ate meals at your table, whose children played together with yours.

I really don’t agree with her historical comparison here. In many cultures there were even more serious repercussions for adultery. Even being put to death.
 
No doubt the people are at fault. They did an awful thing cheating on their spouses. No question.

What the article hits on is we as society turning it into a spectator sport is ugly.

I think the last line is accurate: "When we take joy in the distress and ruination of other people, we make monsters of ourselves."
I'm not sure people are taking joy in their distress and ruination, just finding humor in the ridiculousness of what happened.
Yes, I think it is mostly the latter, but definitely a healthy dose of the former as well.
 
The worst pain of shaming wasn’t in being called names, or put naked in the stocks and pelted with dung; it was having to look into the faces of the people you’d hurt, people who sat beside you in church, who ate meals at your table, whose children played together with yours.

I really don’t agree with her historical comparison here. In many cultures there were even more serious repercussions for adultery. Even being put to death.

Yes. I think her point was in the old days, the person was shamed but it was personal. You knew who was doing the shaming. "it was having to look into the faces of the people you’d hurt,",

In today's world, there isn't that personal connection. It's more as she said a spectator sport.
 
No doubt the people are at fault. They did an awful thing cheating on their spouses. No question.

What the article hits on is we as society turning it into a spectator sport is ugly.

I think the last line is accurate: "When we take joy in the distress and ruination of other people, we make monsters of ourselves."

So, sports fans.

@matttyl from the top rope!
 
No doubt the people are at fault. They did an awful thing cheating on their spouses. No question.

What the article hits on is we as society turning it into a spectator sport is ugly.

I think the last line is accurate: "When we take joy in the distress and ruination of other people, we make monsters of ourselves."

So, sports fans.

But in reality, this is very different. The shaming/mocking/laughter/ridicule from the internet was pretty remarkable in scale.

Some sports fans do enjoy the misery of the other side. But it's nothing like this event.
 
I think there are two levels to this. One is that two cheaters got exposed in the most hilarious way. I found the humor in that and I don’t think there is anything wrong with that as I don’t know them (or their spouses) and the humor I find in the situation doesn’t affect them one iota. I think the vast majority of people fall into that category.

Then you have the people who want to destroy their reputations, ruin their careers, and publicly identify their spouses (which ends up humiliating the victims), whether for sport or just plain meanness. That’s what this article is about and I think really represents a much smaller minority, in my opinion. I wouldn’t ascribe the motives of the latter group to the vast majority in the former group.
 
No doubt the people are at fault. They did an awful thing cheating on their spouses. No question.

What the article hits on is we as society turning it into a spectator sport is ugly.

I think the last line is accurate: "When we take joy in the distress and ruination of other people, we make monsters of ourselves."
I'm not sure people are taking joy in their distress and ruination, just finding humor in the ridiculousness of what happened.

Said much more succinctly. Dang am I verbose.
 
Yeah, I agree. People are mean.

I think even a mildly decent person would agree this wasn't the internet's finest hour.

I think the author would have better made their point by writing about someone who was publicly shamed, and did nothing wrong. I have no real sympathy for these two people, but I know it's awful what they are going through, much more than they deserve.

But I have very real sympathy for a person like the Ole Miss student who was the target of an internet rumor, and Pat McAfee, meathead donkey that he is, repeated it on his meathead show, and that young girl went through the same thing, personally, as the two dim bulbs from the Coldplay concert. He apologized later for helping to ruin her reputation. Whoopsie

Write that article, and people won't be able to wiggle out of thinking about it by saying, 'but they were cheating, FAFO.....' etc.
 
I'm sure some just found it funny.

But I saw a lot more of this:

The resulting cancellation wasn’t just energetic; it was inspired. Someone wrote a fake statement from the CEO, a too-good-to-verify non-apology that went instantly viral. At the same time, mainstream outlets reported (accurately) that the CEO had resigned. Meanwhile, the incident triggered a tidal wave of content that is still rolling in as we speak. The image of the pair at the moment of discovery, their smiles still in place but their eyes wide with panic, was instantly remixed into joke memes ranging from the political to the absurd; the Phillies staged a kiss cam gag featuring their “Phanatic” mascot, a green muppet-like creature of indeterminate species, taking a nosedive to avoid being caught on camera with another muppet. On Etsy, one can now buy a T-shirt with the slogan “I Took My Sidepiece To The Coldplay Concert And It Ruined My Life.” A hundred thousand posts bloomed; a thousand commentators wrote thinkpieces about the ramifications of it all.
 
I think there are two levels to this. One is that two cheaters got exposed in the most hilarious way. I found the humor in that and I don’t think there is anything wrong with that as I don’t know them (or their spouses) and the humor I find in the situation doesn’t affect them one iota. I think the vast majority of people fall into that category.

Then you have the people who want to destroy their reputations, ruin their careers, and publicly identify their spouses (which ends up humiliating the victims), whether for sport or just plain meanness. That’s what this article is about and I think really represents a much smaller minority, in my opinion. I wouldn’t ascribe the motives of the latter group to the vast majority in the former group.
Maybe ironic, but I had seen the still photo but not the video until clicking on the link in Joe's post. That is hilarious.
 
No doubt the people are at fault. They did an awful thing cheating on their spouses. No question.

What the article hits on is we as society turning it into a spectator sport is ugly.

I think the last line is accurate: "When we take joy in the distress and ruination of other people, we make monsters of ourselves."
People have been slowing down to view car accidents since cars were invented. It’s human nature. It’s not new nor changing.
 
I'm sure some just found it funny.

But I saw a lot more of this:

The resulting cancellation wasn’t just energetic; it was inspired. Someone wrote a fake statement from the CEO, a too-good-to-verify non-apology that went instantly viral. At the same time, mainstream outlets reported (accurately) that the CEO had resigned. Meanwhile, the incident triggered a tidal wave of content that is still rolling in as we speak. The image of the pair at the moment of discovery, their smiles still in place but their eyes wide with panic, was instantly remixed into joke memes ranging from the political to the absurd; the Phillies staged a kiss cam gag featuring their “Phanatic” mascot, a green muppet-like creature of indeterminate species, taking a nosedive to avoid being caught on camera with another muppet. On Etsy, one can now buy a T-shirt with the slogan “I Took My Sidepiece To The Coldplay Concert And It Ruined My Life.” A hundred thousand posts bloomed; a thousand commentators wrote thinkpieces about the ramifications of it all.

Yeah, this is why I spend very little of my life on the Internet. Cancelling still in full effect I guess. Most of my interactions on the video have been in conversation with others who simply found it funny, rather than as a consumer of Internet content.

That said, if this were 15 years ago, Popagandist might have made a Bradyfan83-esque parody video, so it’s not like I haven’t played my part over the years.
 
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No doubt the people are at fault. They did an awful thing cheating on their spouses. No question.

What the article hits on is we as society turning it into a spectator sport is ugly.

I think the last line is accurate: "When we take joy in the distress and ruination of other people, we make monsters of ourselves."
People have been slowing down to view car accidents since cars were invented. It’s human nature. It’s not new nor changing.
Do they relish in it?
 
No doubt the people are at fault. They did an awful thing cheating on their spouses. No question.

What the article hits on is we as society turning it into a spectator sport is ugly.

I think the last line is accurate: "When we take joy in the distress and ruination of other people, we make monsters of ourselves."
People have been slowing down to view car accidents since cars were invented. It’s human nature. It’s not new nor changing.
Do they relish in it?
If it’s not them, or someone they knew, and they knew the car accident was due to the drivers stupidity. You bet they do.
 
massraider has this one covered. I just wrote tons of words trying to say what he said. I have an incredibly difficult time with sympathy for hypocritical HR people. Just. . . can’t muster it.

But to pile on with glee (especially dragging innocents into the public aspect of it) is as wrong and as immoral as the offenders are. Whatever happened to minding one’s own?

I had plenty to say about Kat Rosenfield, but my musings would be a red herring. Her point stands.
 
No doubt the people are at fault. They did an awful thing cheating on their spouses. No question.

What the article hits on is we as society turning it into a spectator sport is ugly.

I think the last line is accurate: "When we take joy in the distress and ruination of other people, we make monsters of ourselves."
I'm not sure people are taking joy in their distress and ruination, just finding humor in the ridiculousness of what happened.
That's why I watch World's Dumbest ..., and many YT videos. I don't know these people, but I can relate and find humor because I've done plenty of stupid stuff too.
 
No doubt the people are at fault. They did an awful thing cheating on their spouses. No question.

What the article hits on is we as society turning it into a spectator sport is ugly.

I think the last line is accurate: "When we take joy in the distress and ruination of other people, we make monsters of ourselves."
People have been slowing down to view car accidents since cars were invented. It’s human nature. It’s not new nor changing.

But that feels way different to me. I agree, stopping to look at something unfortunate has always been a thing.

Seemingly inspired by it to go out and create an avalanche of "fun" content around it seems very different than slowing for a car wreck.
 
The CEO is suing Coldplay now. I have no idea why. Want to cheat on your partner, don’t be seen in public.
That’s ridiculous for the initial incident, but I thought I had heard there was some piling on subsequent days. If true, at what point do comments/jokes become harassment?

Also, when do new South Park episodes air?
 
No doubt the people are at fault. They did an awful thing cheating on their spouses. No question.

What the article hits on is we as society turning it into a spectator sport is ugly.

I think the last line is accurate: "When we take joy in the distress and ruination of other people, we make monsters of ourselves."
People have been slowing down to view car accidents since cars were invented. It’s human nature. It’s not new nor changing.

But that feels way different to me. I agree, stopping to look at something unfortunate has always been a thing.

Seemingly inspired by it to go out and create an avalanche of "fun" content around it seems very different than slowing for a car wreck.
It’s the same base motivator though. People have always revealed in others mistakes, it makes them feel superior or smarter than. As with almost everything, the anonymity of the internet just amplifies it.
 
Generally agree but this one had a piece of everything.
1. Wealthy CEO type who everyone hates right now
2. Head of HR……again a type who everyone hates right now
3. The lead singer accurately if unintentionally calling the situation correctly
4. Him hilariously diving on the ground like shots were fired
 
No doubt the people are at fault. They did an awful thing cheating on their spouses. No question.

What the article hits on is we as society turning it into a spectator sport is ugly.

I think the last line is accurate: "When we take joy in the distress and ruination of other people, we make monsters of ourselves."
I'm not sure people are taking joy in their distress and ruination, just finding humor in the ridiculousness of what happened.

Said much more succinctly. Dang am I verbose.
Amen
 
I thought it was more having fun than shaming (not sure the author’s Phillies Phanatic example is the one to go with if he’s trying to argue that it was not people just having fun). I’m not trying to be political (and not trying to turn this down the political path), but it is pretty rare for basically all of social media to be united in just having fun with something crazy in the news without people trying to score political points (my Facebook feed was (almost) as politics-free as the FFA for a day). It sucks for them to have been the ones needing to provide the relief from doomscrolling, etc., but need a cleanser like that every now and again.
 
Generally agree but this one had a piece of everything.
1. Wealthy CEO type who everyone hates right now
2. Head of HR……again a type who everyone hates right now
3. The lead singer accurately if unintentionally calling the situation correctly
4. Him hilariously diving on the ground like shots were fired
Is there ever a time when people look favorably upon CEOs and HR?
 
Generally agree but this one had a piece of everything.
1. Wealthy CEO type who everyone hates right now
2. Head of HR……again a type who everyone hates right now
3. The lead singer accurately if unintentionally calling the situation correctly
4. Him hilariously diving on the ground like shots were fired
Is there ever a time when people look favorably upon CEOs and HR?

Lee Iacocca and Jack Welch come to mind. Mackey of Whole Foods for a while. Warren Buffet still gets accolades.
 
I knew she was a very, very good writer but if you put any perceived politics aside, Kat Rosenfield is apparently a great writer. Novelist and slight politico think piece writer. Kerry Howley is apparently another (I don’t read many fiction novels so I can’t attest, but they both get sterling reviews for their fiction) great female writer. It’s weird because they sort of got their start in politics, I think.

eta* please don’t make this about the politic. It’s more just discussing writing talent.
 
Generally agree but this one had a piece of everything.
1. Wealthy CEO type who everyone hates right now
2. Head of HR……again a type who everyone hates right now
3. The lead singer accurately if unintentionally calling the situation correctly
4. Him hilariously diving on the ground like shots were fired
Is there ever a time when people look favorably upon CEOs and HR?

Lee Iacocca and Jack Welch come to mind. Mackey of Whole Foods for a while. Warren Buffet still gets accolades.
Yvonne Chouinard as well.

But that's a very small piece of the CEO pie. I may be projecting a bit here, but always assumed they're uniformly disliked, at least by worker bees.

And though I've not had bad experiences one-on-one, I subconsciously blame HR for the litany of workplace training modules, which have exploded in the last decade.
 
There was a mean-spirited tone in the internet reaction that bothered me, but mostly I just don’t care. I think the author is largely correct but with typical modern hyperbole. This will pass quickly with the great majority of people never having any idea it happened. It’s a tiny blip for the online people.
 
I dunno, I feel like this is a common thing, where people say "nowadays....." and just kind of forget about the past. Viral memes go viral. It's always happened.

How long ago was Star Wars Kid? And that was WAY worse because that was just a poor kid doing nothing wrong. At least these were grown adults doing something wrong, who then doubled down on it by blaming everyone else even when they had time to think it over.
 
What surprised me the most about all of this was that Coldplay sold out Gillette Stadium. Not knocking them but I didn’t realize they could draw a US crowd that big in 2025.

Aren't they one of the biggest bands in the world at this point?

They may be. I just thought they had faded from that point.
They’ve gotten more publicity, along with assuredly exponential growth of downplayed songs and new fans, than they probably could ever dream of. The couple’s loss is undoubtedly Coldplay’s gain.
 
The worst pain of shaming wasn’t in being called names, or put naked in the stocks and pelted with dung; it was having to look into the faces of the people you’d hurt, people who sat beside you in church, who ate meals at your table, whose children played together with yours.

I really don’t agree with her historical comparison here. In many cultures there were even more serious repercussions for adultery. Even being put to death.

Yes. I think her point was in the old days, the person was shamed but it was personal. You knew who was doing the shaming. "it was having to look into the faces of the people you’d hurt,",

In today's world, there isn't that personal connection. It's more as she said a spectator sport.
And this is nonsensical. Much like John Snow, she knows nothing. Much of that sort of accusation in period is just made-up nonsense of the kind that led to accusations of witchcraft. You have a mother-in-law or daughter-in-law you don't like, accuse her of something. So I guess it was personal, but there wasn't necessarily a fault on the person being "shamed". And a lot of the onlookers weren't "hurt" at all. They were just lookyloos.

These twerps decides to shame themselves in a public place. And the CEO has no chance of winning a lawsuit. Both the ticket agreement and the venue mention the possibility of being filmed/photographed. You don't want that, maybe rent a room.
 
What surprised me the most about all of this was that Coldplay sold out Gillette Stadium. Not knocking them but I didn’t realize they could draw a US crowd that big in 2025.

Aren't they one of the biggest bands in the world at this point?

They may be. I just thought they had faded from that point.
They’ve gotten more publicity, along with assuredly exponential growth of downplayed songs and new fans, than they probably could ever dream of. The couple’s loss is undoubtedly Coldplay’s gain.
Maybe they can arrange for royalties in the lawsuit settlement?
 
Apologies if posted already, but Astronomer is taking advantage of its own publicity by using Gwyneth Paltrow (Chris Martin’s ex, obviously) in a new ad. One part genius marketing, probably another part being vindictiveness at the ex-CEO.

 
And this is nonsensical

That was the part of Kat’s argument that fell totally flat. No, it wasn’t the personalized shame. Cheaters are acting sociopathic and already know the hurt they’re causing. They don’t care. It’s the stockade and the dung that suck, not the look of hurt. Oh, Kat. I feel for you if you think that if you ever cuckold your husband you’ll be moved by his hurt and that’s what will lead to his forgiveness. Please.

Duck the dung.

Some of her points are really questionable but she’s right that anonymous strangers taking delight in the stoning is awful and reflects poorly on both us and our nationally broadcast passions. Not a good sign for the Republic or just society absent the political implications.
 

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