MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Like a moth to a flame.No smack here....justat you. You are a great fish that needs meds and drinks....you bite at anything.
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IRS Apologizes For Targeting Conservative Political Groups In 2012 Ele (1 Viewer)
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Ookie Pringle
Footballguy
Like a moth to a flame.No smack here....just
drummer
Footballguy
Yeah, I bet half the latest posts from both of youse involve me.Like a moth to a flame.No smack here....just
I couldn't even call you moths. They are smarter.
drummer
Footballguy
IT'S LIKE A SAUNA IN HERE.Like a moth to a flame.No smack here....just
Ookie Pringle
Footballguy
Ookie Pringle
Footballguy
Lessee, I got beibs, ookie, MaxThreshold (
Anybody else hanging here? :fruitbag:
drummer
Footballguy
Like conservatives to a flame.Lessee, I got beibs, ookie, MaxThreshold (
Anybody else hanging here? :fruitbag:
Phase of the Game
Footballguy
Watching drummer is like a car accident...you can't turn away. The guy is a mess.
drummer
Footballguy
I'm gonna start here:
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=681547&page=26#entry16988349
and you can count TEH MEDZ!
Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
Nope!Whoever submit's last wins? Is that your argument?Amazing how both your links were published prior to Maurile's. The Moonies' article a year prior.Debunked
Even debunked by the IRS.
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
I was going to say he is more like the tranny hookers down on Polk Street in his beloved SF, sad and freakish. Both analogies work though.
drummer
Footballguy
Drunken Poster
Footballguy
You're so dumb you took a spoon to the Superbowl
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drummer
Footballguy
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Oh, golly, how about that? More missing emails from ANOTHER key employee of the IRS.
Yeah, there's nothing going on here at all.
Yeah, there's nothing going on here at all.
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Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
Seems like a pretty coordinated cover up
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Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
It's actually worse.
It's the FEC.
Lerner had a very serious complaint about her at the FEC in the US Senate race involving Obama's mentor, **** Durbin.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Is Lerner bribing the entire FEC IT department, in addition to buying off the entire IRS IT department?
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
http://news.yahoo.com/lois-lerner-former-fec-colleague-emails-missing-too-232025969.html
Sands worked for Lerner at the FEC.
That's the Federal Election Commission.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Considering she was the subject of an investigation and her hard drive also disappeared, it is a little strange.
http://hotair.com/archives/2014/07/15/recycled-hard-drive-at-the-fec-too/
http://hotair.com/archives/2014/07/15/recycled-hard-drive-at-the-fec-too/
rockaction
Footballguy
Not everyone is laughable. Not everyone wants him impeached. I think reasonable people want to know if there's a pattern of destruction of evidence that conceals illegal activity by administrative branches.wdcrob said:
Just impeach him already. Quit ####### around with all this stupid #### and let's find out who really believes what.
Obama's not as likeable or sympathetic as Clinton was, so his approval rating wouldn't go into the stratosphere, but it'd be more than enough to give Hillary some serious coattails.
I don't find it funny at all. I find it sorta sickening.
Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
Not everyone is laughable. Not everyone wants him impeached. I think reasonable people want to know if there's a pattern of destruction of evidence that conceals illegal activity by administrative branches.wdcrob said:
Just impeach him already. Quit ####### around with all this stupid #### and let's find out who really believes what.
Obama's not as likeable or sympathetic as Clinton was, so his approval rating wouldn't go into the stratosphere, but it'd be more than enough to give Hillary some serious coattails.
I don't find it funny at all. I find it sorta sickening.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Is it a scandal if no one knows about it? First I've heard of it.
Sands was fired and barred from further work with the federal government for violations of the Hatch Act.
She was protected from criminal prosecution because of destruction of evidence.
Now the House is looking at how public records laws are flouted at the FEC in addition to the IRS. Lerner has also been accused of political intimidation while at the FEC. The GOP will likely keep the House.
Two federal judges are requiring sworn affidavits from management and IT personnel at the IRS as well as a forensic audit.
And Lerner took the 5th.
That's all we know right now.
My personal opinion is that destruction of public records is a crime and should be treated as such. And I also think political favoritism in an agency like the FEC is extremely dangerous for all concerned.
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BeaverCleaver
Footballguy
You have your head so far up the administrations rear end you can't see straight.Not everyone is laughable. Not everyone wants him impeached. I think reasonable people want to know if there's a pattern of destruction of evidence that conceals illegal activity by administrative branches.wdcrob said:
Just impeach him already. Quit ####### around with all this stupid #### and let's find out who really believes what.
Obama's not as likeable or sympathetic as Clinton was, so his approval rating wouldn't go into the stratosphere, but it'd be more than enough to give Hillary some serious coattails.
I don't find it funny at all. I find it sorta sickening.
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Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
It should be a crime for public records to be on "personal" hard drive. Redistributing a PC from an ex-employee to a new employee by re-imaging it should not be considered a crime.SaintsInDome2006 said:
Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
My office is right on the other side of a block wall from the IT guys who re-image PCs all day long for about 1000 users in a 30,000 employee company. There should be zero expectation that anything important is ever [only] on a corporate (or government) employee's PCs hard drive. If there is something else is wrong.
BeaverCleaver
Footballguy
Wow....
You are something else.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
That's inaccurate. Public records have a shelf life, and there are federal laws on that. You could destroy all public records in existence the way you describe.
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Quez
Footballguy
If all these computers crashed you would think there would be reports from the IT Dept. about incident reports for specific machines. I would like to hear an explanation about what mysteriously went wrong with all these machines. Did every single hardrive become corrupt and unrecoverable?
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Unless that corporation has some reason to think it might be sued concerning subject matters on that hard drive. Corporations land in big trouble for that.
Also storing emails en masse on hard drives is not an acceptable method of document retention in the first place.
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rockaction
Footballguy
It's so funny that federal judges keep ordering them to find the evidence.Bottomfeeder Sports said:rockaction said:Not everyone is laughable. Not everyone wants him impeached. I think reasonable people want to know if there's a pattern of destruction of evidence that conceals illegal activity by administrative branches.wdcrob said:
Just impeach him already. Quit ####### around with all this stupid #### and let's find out who really believes what.
Obama's not as likeable or sympathetic as Clinton was, so his approval rating wouldn't go into the stratosphere, but it'd be more than enough to give Hillary some serious coattails.
I don't find it funny at all. I find it sorta sickening.
Yeah, all your smilies aren't stopping this from happening, I hate to tell you.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
You're wasting your time with him. He's committed to Obama's nutsack 24/7.It's so funny that federal judges keep ordering them to find the evidence.Bottomfeeder Sports said:rockaction said:Not everyone is laughable. Not everyone wants him impeached. I think reasonable people want to know if there's a pattern of destruction of evidence that conceals illegal activity by administrative branches.wdcrob said:
Just impeach him already. Quit ####### around with all this stupid #### and let's find out who really believes what.
Obama's not as likeable or sympathetic as Clinton was, so his approval rating wouldn't go into the stratosphere, but it'd be more than enough to give Hillary some serious coattails.
I don't find it funny at all. I find it sorta sickening.
Yeah, all your smilies aren't stopping this from happening, I hate to tell you.
rockaction
Footballguy
I love how a person is forced to resign for electioneering at the FEC, is being investigated under the Hatch Act for criminal wrongdoing, evidence goes missing in the same way as it did at the IRS, and all they can do is post laughy smilies. Brilliant responses.You're wasting your time with him. He's committed to Obama's nutsack 24/7.It's so funny that federal judges keep ordering them to find the evidence.Bottomfeeder Sports said:rockaction said:Not everyone is laughable. Not everyone wants him impeached. I think reasonable people want to know if there's a pattern of destruction of evidence that conceals illegal activity by administrative branches.wdcrob said:
Just impeach him already. Quit ####### around with all this stupid #### and let's find out who really believes what.
Obama's not as likeable or sympathetic as Clinton was, so his approval rating wouldn't go into the stratosphere, but it'd be more than enough to give Hillary some serious coattails.
I don't find it funny at all. I find it sorta sickening.
Yeah, all your smilies aren't stopping this from happening, I hate to tell you.
Here, let me do it.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Well of course they do that. If the mere thought of everything you're feverishly committed to is a lie, you'll do or say anything to deny that.I love how a person is forced to resign for electioneering at the FEC, is being investigated under the Hatch Act for criminal wrongdoing, evidence goes missing in the same way as it did at the IRS, and all they can do is post laughy smilies. Brilliant responses.You're wasting your time with him. He's committed to Obama's nutsack 24/7.It's so funny that federal judges keep ordering them to find the evidence.Bottomfeeder Sports said:rockaction said:Not everyone is laughable. Not everyone wants him impeached. I think reasonable people want to know if there's a pattern of destruction of evidence that conceals illegal activity by administrative branches.wdcrob said:
Just impeach him already. Quit ####### around with all this stupid #### and let's find out who really believes what.
Obama's not as likeable or sympathetic as Clinton was, so his approval rating wouldn't go into the stratosphere, but it'd be more than enough to give Hillary some serious coattails.
I don't find it funny at all. I find it sorta sickening.
Yeah, all your smilies aren't stopping this from happening, I hate to tell you.
Here, let me do it.
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Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
BINGO!Unless that corporation has some reason to think it might be sued concerning subject matters on that hard drive. Corporations land in big trouble for that.
Also storing emails en masse on hard drives is not an acceptable method of document retention in the first place.
Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
You guys at the kiddie table sure like to "project".You're wasting your time with him. He's committed to Obama's nutsack 24/7.It's so funny that federal judges keep ordering them to find the evidence.Bottomfeeder Sports said:rockaction said:Not everyone is laughable. Not everyone wants him impeached. I think reasonable people want to know if there's a pattern of destruction of evidence that conceals illegal activity by administrative branches.wdcrob said:
Just impeach him already. Quit ####### around with all this stupid #### and let's find out who really believes what.
Obama's not as likeable or sympathetic as Clinton was, so his approval rating wouldn't go into the stratosphere, but it'd be more than enough to give Hillary some serious coattails.
I don't find it funny at all. I find it sorta sickening.
Yeah, all your smilies aren't stopping this from happening, I hate to tell you.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Your talking about two different things.
Lerner had public records on her public PC. That's not a crime on her part. It would be a crime for the IRS to maintain them in that fashion only because that would violate public records laws regarding retention. If you solely store records on a device that is bound to fail you are not retaining them at all. It is also a sure fire way to encourage and protect corruption in all spheres because without the ability to document past activities there can be no accountability whatsoever. It may also be a crime if public records were destroyed before the time prescribed by law or if they were destroyed when someone in control of those records, which includes management, not just IT, knew they could be reasonably required by investigators or in litigation, both of which is going on right now, and actively decided to destroy them.
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rockaction
Footballguy
If the kiddie table includes two federal judges, where's that leave you?You guys at the kiddie table sure like to "project".You're wasting your time with him. He's committed to Obama's nutsack 24/7.It's so funny that federal judges keep ordering them to find the evidence.Bottomfeeder Sports said:rockaction said:Not everyone is laughable. Not everyone wants him impeached. I think reasonable people want to know if there's a pattern of destruction of evidence that conceals illegal activity by administrative branches.wdcrob said:
Just impeach him already. Quit ####### around with all this stupid #### and let's find out who really believes what.
Obama's not as likeable or sympathetic as Clinton was, so his approval rating wouldn't go into the stratosphere, but it'd be more than enough to give Hillary some serious coattails.
I don't find it funny at all. I find it sorta sickening.
Yeah, all your smilies aren't stopping this from happening, I hate to tell you.
The adults in the room meme got played out with Spencer Ackerman and company. Please catch up.
eta* The "kiddie table" now include Roll Call and other surely soon-to-come respected political mags that have picked up the FEC electioneering story with another destroyed hard drive and the Lerner connection to the FEC.
eta2* But keep
, man, that and ad homs make a great argument
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Ookie Pringle
Footballguy
Another condescending comment from BFS.You guys at the kiddie table sure like to "project".You're wasting your time with him. He's committed to Obama's nutsack 24/7.It's so funny that federal judges keep ordering them to find the evidence.Bottomfeeder Sports said:rockaction said:Not everyone is laughable. Not everyone wants him impeached. I think reasonable people want to know if there's a pattern of destruction of evidence that conceals illegal activity by administrative branches.wdcrob said:
Just impeach him already. Quit ####### around with all this stupid #### and let's find out who really believes what.
Obama's not as likeable or sympathetic as Clinton was, so his approval rating wouldn't go into the stratosphere, but it'd be more than enough to give Hillary some serious coattails.
I don't find it funny at all. I find it sorta sickening.
Yeah, all your smilies aren't stopping this from happening, I hate to tell you.
Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
First, you don't really know what Lerner had on her PC.SaintsInDome2006 said:
More importantly all I'm asserting is that best practices for IT for 20+ years has been that a PC's harddrive is at best a cache. Nothing important should ever only exist on a PC. A laptop which is used in a disconnected fashion of course might temporarily have unsynced data which is at risk and there are similar things for example Access takes hours on a shared network to do a query that takes a few seconds locally where something might temporarily reside on a PC. But at the end of the day nothing of value should only be on a PC. And if it is it should be an employment offense in the same realm as sharing passwords. This is true whether for the government or any company of any size or importance. I don't think this is debatable. It certainly has nothing to do with politics.
And it is a very real thing that one might criticize government agencies for failing to have such practices. But if a corporation had the same "failings" we are a talking about here I'd shake my head from the realization that corporations that even have such practices written into policy and procedures still skimp on IT such that it would be more or less expected.
Exactly. Anything of any importance cannot only be on a local hard drive. It just can't.SaintsInDome2006 said:
That being said it is pretty silly to think that e-mail communication need to originate from the PC's e-mail client. And I'm not talking about being technically proficient to be able to send an e-mail directly to the SMTP server. No I'm talking about blackberry's and other cell phone. I'm talking about sending an e-mail from a modern copier. Etc. None of these would need to leave bread crumbs on a PC.
Sure if there was a subpoena or a reasonable expectation of a future subpoena the PC should have been secured. That should be part of any such policy and procedure. I don't think that FEC management should have reasonably expected that their PC would be part of an IRS investigation. Maybe they should have known that the resignation was not the end of the investigation into their employee and that additional sanctions were still possible. But failing to account for that still is a long way from this grand cover-up to thwart this IRS investigation.SaintsInDome2006 said:
Maybe it is a grand conspiracy, but just like the stuff at the beginning of this thread mismanagement, lack of proper controls. etc is not usually the stuff of too much oversight (conspiracy) but too little.
Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
Judges asking for answers on why subpoenas were not appropriately answered does not mean these judges have jumped to the conclusion that there is this "pattern of destruction of evidence that conceals illegal activity by administrative branches" to be found. ETA: And that every piece of news about government incompetence fits into this grand conspiracy. The real stuff government gets wrong is more than enough on its own.rockaction said:
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