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In my defense, I DID say "close to" a mortal lock.Thanks for jinxing all three, ya bastage!!!What, do you own SJax or Addai or something?![]()

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In my defense, I DID say "close to" a mortal lock.Thanks for jinxing all three, ya bastage!!!What, do you own SJax or Addai or something?![]()
1) Jerome Bettis is retired2) Najeh Davenport has been the 3rd down back since last season.3) Parker didn't play much in the preseason and is probably not in peak game shape. He got 27 carries and needs to get a rest from time to time.4) If you are really convinced that this is an issue, trade him, cut him, whatever. But quit trying so hard to get people to ignore the entire 2006 season in favor of one game against the Browns in week 1.Seriously, FBG is so high on this guy. I truly feel some concern is granted. Here is a few short yardage carries when it was 3rd down. Let me ask all of you sharks when somone is getting the carries on 3rd and 1 and 3rd and 2. What does that say? I can understand if it is 3rd and 5 and Davenport is getting the carries but when it is 3rd and short and they are running the ball I would expect my best short yardage player to get the ball. Jerome Bettis would get these carries along with goal line. Why is davenport getting this carries. PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS TO ME. 3rd and 2 at PIT 47 (13:03) N.Davenport right guard to PIT 48 for 1 yard (D.Jackson). 3rd and 1 at CLV 33 (4:45) N.Davenport right guard to CLV 26 for 7 yards (L.Williams). 3rd and 2 at PIT 40 (12:07) (Shotgun) N.Davenport right tackle to PIT 47 for 7 yards (L.Williams, E.Wright). You say I have nothing to worry. Well why is Davenport getting short yardage carries.Fumbles are a legit concern. Get off FWP's nuts already.
Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?Why do people do this?I watched the whole game and I personally feel that with Davenport in on 3rd downs. Willie may have lost his job as the goal line back. No goal line carries in this game, but I guess we will soon find this out. I also feel his fumbling problem is a huge concern. parker ended the day 27 for 109. However, he had a run for 25 and a run for 22 yards. Take those out and he was 22 for 62. I also feel that with Carey Davis playing over Dan Kreider this is also going to hurt Parker.
any thoughts?
Thank you. Finally. I agree it is only one game.Yeah, I'm a little concerned. I saw Pittsburgh a little more comfortable with pulling Parker and using Davenport than I'd like. I know it's happened before but I was hoping to see him with more 3rd down work than this. It's just one game. And it's no time to panic. But I'd be lying if I was thrilled for Parker how yesterday's game went against a Cleveland team. And I'm as big a Willie Parker fan as you'll find.J
If those guys fail to reach double digits, it's all your fault - and you will owe the Pool an apology.In my defense, I DID say "close to" a mortal lock.Thanks for jinxing all three, ya bastage!!!What, do you own SJax or Addai or something?![]()
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Fair enough, but I feel pretty good about my odds.If those guys fail to reach double digits, it's all your fault - and you will owe the Pool an apology.![]()
Strangely, in all 3 instances Parker had just carried 2 times in a row and then Davenport had his short yardage carry. What's that mean?Seriously, FBG is so high on this guy. I truly feel some concern is granted. Here is a few short yardage carries when it was 3rd down. Let me ask all of you sharks when somone is getting the carries on 3rd and 1 and 3rd and 2. What does that say? I can understand if it is 3rd and 5 and Davenport is getting the carries but when it is 3rd and short and they are running the ball I would expect my best short yardage player to get the ball. Jerome Bettis would get these carries along with goal line. Why is davenport getting this carries. PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS TO ME. 3rd and 2 at PIT 47 (13:03) N.Davenport right guard to PIT 48 for 1 yard (D.Jackson). 3rd and 1 at CLV 33 (4:45) N.Davenport right guard to CLV 26 for 7 yards (L.Williams). 3rd and 2 at PIT 40 (12:07) (Shotgun) N.Davenport right tackle to PIT 47 for 7 yards (L.Williams, E.Wright). You say I have nothing to worry. Well why is Davenport getting short yardage carries.Fumbles are a legit concern. Get off FWP's nuts already.
Davenport was in on 3rd and shorts last year too (in the middle of the field!!!). FWP got the goal line carries last year and he will this year as well (If there are any). There just were no goal line carries yesterday!!Also FWP usually scores from 5 yards out at least, he seldom is stopped on the 1 or 2. People were all concerned about this last year before the draft too, I just thought this kind of thinking was over now that he got some respect and was being drafted in the 1st round this year.You should really wait until he gets the goal line carries taken away before you start panicking. My concern is that the style of offense that they ran yesterday (more open and "pass friendly")seems to be significantly different than the ball control "grind it out" offense they ran with Cower. Of course if they continue to get up by 20 or more in the first half of their games I think that bodes very well for FWP same thing happened in a couple of games last year and then he broke a couple and went 70+ yards to the house on 2 plays in the same game. Now look what you've made me do there for a second, worry about something that hasn't even happened and start speculating about what could go wrong.Did any of you actually watch the game? Davenport was in on all 3rd and short and 3rd and long. That means to me he would be the goal line back as well. I am hoping he is not. Also if you watched the game the Steelers wanted to throw the ball more then run it. Until they had a huge lead then the rushing stats started to add up.So all of you feel Willie is the goal line back still?
2 more total TDs and 428 more total yards on 31 more carries ond one fewer receptions.Significantly better rushing at home versus the road, but similar total TD and receiving numbers.Would have to look it up...and someone will. But, didn't FWP do much much better in home games than away last year? Yesterdays game doesn't concern me. FWP didn't play much in the preseason, had a pretty solid workload and needed rest in a blowout game. The *only* thing I complained about was the rust he had on him. Dropping at least 1 or 2 screen plays. I didn't like that.Wait til the home opener.
100% true. Neither Davenport nor FWP received a carry or a target inside the 5.Davenport was in on 3rd and shorts last year too (in the middle of the field!!!). FWP got the goal line carries last year and he will this year as well (If there are any). There just were no goal line carries yesterday!!
FWP lead the entire NFL in fumbles last year.1) Jerome Bettis is retired2) Najeh Davenport has been the 3rd down back since last season.Seriously, FBG is so high on this guy. I truly feel some concern is granted. Here is a few short yardage carries when it was 3rd down. Let me ask all of you sharks when somone is getting the carries on 3rd and 1 and 3rd and 2. What does that say? I can understand if it is 3rd and 5 and Davenport is getting the carries but when it is 3rd and short and they are running the ball I would expect my best short yardage player to get the ball. Jerome Bettis would get these carries along with goal line. Why is davenport getting this carries. PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS TO ME.Fumbles are a legit concern. Get off FWP's nuts already.
3rd and 2 at PIT 47 (13:03) N.Davenport right guard to PIT 48 for 1 yard (D.Jackson).
3rd and 1 at CLV 33 (4:45) N.Davenport right guard to CLV 26 for 7 yards (L.Williams).
3rd and 2 at PIT 40 (12:07) (Shotgun) N.Davenport right tackle to PIT 47 for 7 yards (L.Williams, E.Wright).
You say I have nothing to worry. Well why is Davenport getting short yardage carries.
3) Parker didn't play much in the preseason and is probably not in peak game shape. He got 27 carries and needs to get a rest from time to time.
4) If you are really convinced that this is an issue, trade him, cut him, whatever. But quit trying so hard to get people to ignore the entire 2006 season in favor of one game against the Browns in week 1.
Yes, he did. And did that cause any discussion about the possibility of him losing his job as either the feature back or the goal line back?FWP lead the entire NFL in fumbles last year.1) Jerome Bettis is retired2) Najeh Davenport has been the 3rd down back since last season.Seriously, FBG is so high on this guy. I truly feel some concern is granted. Here is a few short yardage carries when it was 3rd down. Let me ask all of you sharks when somone is getting the carries on 3rd and 1 and 3rd and 2. What does that say? I can understand if it is 3rd and 5 and Davenport is getting the carries but when it is 3rd and short and they are running the ball I would expect my best short yardage player to get the ball. Jerome Bettis would get these carries along with goal line. Why is davenport getting this carries. PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS TO ME.Fumbles are a legit concern. Get off FWP's nuts already.
3rd and 2 at PIT 47 (13:03) N.Davenport right guard to PIT 48 for 1 yard (D.Jackson).
3rd and 1 at CLV 33 (4:45) N.Davenport right guard to CLV 26 for 7 yards (L.Williams).
3rd and 2 at PIT 40 (12:07) (Shotgun) N.Davenport right tackle to PIT 47 for 7 yards (L.Williams, E.Wright).
You say I have nothing to worry. Well why is Davenport getting short yardage carries.
3) Parker didn't play much in the preseason and is probably not in peak game shape. He got 27 carries and needs to get a rest from time to time.
4) If you are really convinced that this is an issue, trade him, cut him, whatever. But quit trying so hard to get people to ignore the entire 2006 season in favor of one game against the Browns in week 1.
LMMFAOIt's got to be hard to be known as the 3rd down back to FWP and the Closet Kid!!!I did, indeed, watch the game. I also watched every Steeler game last year(when, incedentally, Parker and Dookie were teammates) You're worrying about nothing. Parker's about as close to a mortal lock to get double digit TDs this year as anyone outside of Tomlinson and, probably, Larry Johnson. They Steelers will run a lot and he's the primary ball carrier. They intend, and tried yesterday, to involve him more in the passing game(he dropped a couple targets). Do the math.Dookie Davenport isn't going to be stealing goal line touches from anyone, primarily for the following reason: He pretty much sucks in short yardage situations(hence, why he was almost never asked to do it a year ago....when he was on the same team.....with Parker). Parker, conversely, does not suck in short yardage/GL situations. Ergo, Parker is nearly certain to get almost all of said short yardage or GL carries if he remains healthy.very much so. I think some concern is needed if you have Willie Parker. I sure hope I am wrong. I love that all of you feel I am. However, If you watched the game u need to be a bit nervous about Willie and this season. I don't see Willie having 10 TD's this year.
Having said all that, if you're a Parker owner that was that worried at all about his TD output in ' 07 why didn't you just draft Davenport in the first place?
These are all in the middle of the field!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't see where your concern for his goal line carries is coming from. I mean, maybe FWP was just tired and needed a breather!!!!!!!!!(was gonna say blow but why give you guys the ammo)Seriously, FBG is so high on this guy. I truly feel some concern is granted. Here is a few short yardage carries when it was 3rd down. Let me ask all of you sharks when somone is getting the carries on 3rd and 1 and 3rd and 2. What does that say? I can understand if it is 3rd and 5 and Davenport is getting the carries but when it is 3rd and short and they are running the ball I would expect my best short yardage player to get the ball. Jerome Bettis would get these carries along with goal line. Why is davenport getting this carries. PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS TO ME. 3rd and 2 at PIT 47 (13:03) N.Davenport right guard to PIT 48 for 1 yard (D.Jackson). 3rd and 1 at CLV 33 (4:45) N.Davenport right guard to CLV 26 for 7 yards (L.Williams). 3rd and 2 at PIT 40 (12:07) (Shotgun) N.Davenport right tackle to PIT 47 for 7 yards (L.Williams, E.Wright). You say I have nothing to worry. Well why is Davenport getting short yardage carries.Fumbles are a legit concern. Get off FWP's nuts already.
Well now he fumbled in game 1. I'd be inclined to think that if the fumbling continues, eventually there will be some discussion. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the Steelers don't care that their starting RB has a major fumbling problem and turns the ball over. I don't know.Yes, he did. And did that cause any discussion about the possibility of him losing his job as either the feature back or the goal line back?FWP lead the entire NFL in fumbles last year.1) Jerome Bettis is retired2) Najeh Davenport has been the 3rd down back since last season.Seriously, FBG is so high on this guy. I truly feel some concern is granted. Here is a few short yardage carries when it was 3rd down. Let me ask all of you sharks when somone is getting the carries on 3rd and 1 and 3rd and 2. What does that say? I can understand if it is 3rd and 5 and Davenport is getting the carries but when it is 3rd and short and they are running the ball I would expect my best short yardage player to get the ball. Jerome Bettis would get these carries along with goal line. Why is davenport getting this carries. PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS TO ME.Fumbles are a legit concern. Get off FWP's nuts already.
3rd and 2 at PIT 47 (13:03) N.Davenport right guard to PIT 48 for 1 yard (D.Jackson).
3rd and 1 at CLV 33 (4:45) N.Davenport right guard to CLV 26 for 7 yards (L.Williams).
3rd and 2 at PIT 40 (12:07) (Shotgun) N.Davenport right tackle to PIT 47 for 7 yards (L.Williams, E.Wright).
You say I have nothing to worry. Well why is Davenport getting short yardage carries.
3) Parker didn't play much in the preseason and is probably not in peak game shape. He got 27 carries and needs to get a rest from time to time.
4) If you are really convinced that this is an issue, trade him, cut him, whatever. But quit trying so hard to get people to ignore the entire 2006 season in favor of one game against the Browns in week 1.
ROFL!!!Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?Why do people do this?I watched the whole game and I personally feel that with Davenport in on 3rd downs. Willie may have lost his job as the goal line back. No goal line carries in this game, but I guess we will soon find this out. I also feel his fumbling problem is a huge concern. parker ended the day 27 for 109. However, he had a run for 25 and a run for 22 yards. Take those out and he was 22 for 62. I also feel that with Carey Davis playing over Dan Kreider this is also going to hurt Parker.
any thoughts?
I'll start to panic if I see Davenport take a dump on the goal line on 1st down. IMO highly unlikely as well.I'll start to panic if I see Davenport in on 1st & goal from the 1. Highly unlikely IMO.
You can't discount big plays with Willie Parker because he has big runs consistently. E.g., in his 213 yd performance last year, he had 2 70+ yard runs. The rest of the day, he had 20 rushes for 65 yards.I watched the whole game and I personally feel that with Davenport in on 3rd downs. Willie may have lost his job as the goal line back. No goal line carries in this game, but I guess we will soon find this out. I also feel his fumbling problem is a huge concern. parker ended the day 27 for 109. However, he had a run for 25 and a run for 22 yards. Take those out and he was 22 for 62. I also feel that with Carey Davis playing over Dan Kreider this is also going to hurt Parker. any thoughts?
Maybe he's in a league where you remove the RBs 2 longest runs from his score. Little quirky scoring, but could be???Why do people do this?I watched the whole game and I personally feel that with Davenport in on 3rd downs. Willie may have lost his job as the goal line back. No goal line carries in this game, but I guess we will soon find this out. I also feel his fumbling problem is a huge concern. parker ended the day 27 for 109. However, he had a run for 25 and a run for 22 yards. Take those out and he was 22 for 62. I also feel that with Carey Davis playing over Dan Kreider this is also going to hurt Parker.
any thoughts?
Good post. FWP had alot of success last year at the GL, which accounted for a big part of his 16 TD's, so I have a hard time seeing them messing with success by putting Davenport there. I think Najeh is too slow to the LOS for that role, anyway. Too much chance of getting tackled for a loss. I must say, though, that I don't quite understand the reluctance to play FWP on 3rd down if it's a passing situation. He's a very capable reciever out of the backfield with the speed to take it to the house.sure, i have a little concern, but no more today than before yesterday. i might actually be slightly less concerned. willie still got 27 carries. it seemed like davenport was the automatic 3rd down back just like last year. i didn't understand how some people were saying that there was no way fwp wouldn't be the gl back because a new coaching staff could easily have the philosophy of wanting a bigger gl back and since tomlin had never been a head coach before, we didn't know what his philosophy was. they never had a gl carry yesterday but from the rest of the game it appeared that the rb's would be used the same as last year with davenport coming in on almost all third downs and i'm sure he'll get a series here and there. the steelers didn't get real close to the gl, so we don't know for sure but i think fwp will get his shot at the first and second down carries (wherever they are on the field) and maybe even third down near the goalline. i think he will do this unless he struggles a lot or fumbles a few times in goalline situations.
Not sure why nobody's mentioned it but Parker is not good at picking up the blitz - that's why he's not in on third down in the middle of the field. At the goal line you don't have to pick up the blitz - just run it in. The reason they were talking in the preseason about Parker being in on third down more often is that he was learning to pick up the blitz however Sunday's game proved he's not there yet.pfalvey said:Good post. FWP had alot of success last year at the GL, which accounted for a big part of his 16 TD's, so I have a hard time seeing them messing with success by putting Davenport there. I think Najeh is too slow to the LOS for that role, anyway. Too much chance of getting tackled for a loss. I must say, though, that I don't quite understand the reluctance to play FWP on 3rd down if it's a passing situation. He's a very capable reciever out of the backfield with the speed to take it to the house.sizzer55 said:sure, i have a little concern, but no more today than before yesterday. i might actually be slightly less concerned. willie still got 27 carries. it seemed like davenport was the automatic 3rd down back just like last year. i didn't understand how some people were saying that there was no way fwp wouldn't be the gl back because a new coaching staff could easily have the philosophy of wanting a bigger gl back and since tomlin had never been a head coach before, we didn't know what his philosophy was. they never had a gl carry yesterday but from the rest of the game it appeared that the rb's would be used the same as last year with davenport coming in on almost all third downs and i'm sure he'll get a series here and there. the steelers didn't get real close to the gl, so we don't know for sure but i think fwp will get his shot at the first and second down carries (wherever they are on the field) and maybe even third down near the goalline. i think he will do this unless he struggles a lot or fumbles a few times in goalline situations.
From what I recall the Steelers were never insided the 5 yard line during the game so how can you say he is not getting goalline carries when the team was never in that spot. 3rd down and goalline are two different things and Tomlin may have not wanted to pound FWP into the ground in the 1st game of the season.Based on what I saw, i felt the Steelers wanted to pass more then run, I felt Parker was missing His blocker is Kreider. I also felt Davenport may be used as a goalline back. They have had zero goalline carries. However, I am very nervous that Willie will not get the goalline carries. Willie had a huge fumble in the preseason at the goalline. He also had another one yesterday. I am not saying this will lead to him losing goalline. But right now I am a little concerned. When it was 3rd and short Parker was not in the game. Well I am sorry guys but to me this is a tell to who the goal line back is. I really hope I am wrong. If Parker is not getting goal line he us useless. It is that simple.Johnny, why do you think the lack of GL carries in yesterday's game will translate into less than double digit total TDs from Parker? Is there a correlation between goalline carries for a guy like Parker and total TDs on the year? Also, were his previous seasons reliant on GL carries for TDs? Were there factors about the flow of the game yesterday that may have led to Parker not receiving as many GL carries?These are all questions I think need to be addressed before making a blanket statement like that after only one game.(BTW, I, unfortunately, do not own FWP in any of my leagues. And I am not a Steelers fan. I like him as a FF player, though)I don't see Willie having 10 TD's this year.
If Parker is not getting goal line he us useless. It is that simple.
They did seem very comfortable pulling him for Davenport...but he still got 27 carries. Ive been concered with FWP since I drafted him...so I was actually pretty happy with 27 carries and 100+ yards.Yeah, I'm a little concerned. I saw Pittsburgh a little more comfortable with pulling Parker and using Davenport than I'd like. I know it's happened before but I was hoping to see him with more 3rd down work than this. It's just one game. And it's no time to panic. But I'd be lying if I was thrilled for Parker how yesterday's game went against a Cleveland team. And I'm as big a Willie Parker fan as you'll find.J
This was exactly the same way they used Parker and Davenport last year. Seemed to work out OK.They did seem very comfortable pulling him for Davenport...but he still got 27 carries. Ive been concered with FWP since I drafted him...so I was actually pretty happy with 27 carries and 100+ yards.Yeah, I'm a little concerned. I saw Pittsburgh a little more comfortable with pulling Parker and using Davenport than I'd like. I know it's happened before but I was hoping to see him with more 3rd down work than this. It's just one game. And it's no time to panic. But I'd be lying if I was thrilled for Parker how yesterday's game went against a Cleveland team. And I'm as big a Willie Parker fan as you'll find.J
Maybe because they don't want to give Parker the ball 40 times in a week 1 blowout game? Maybe?Seriously, FBG is so high on this guy. I truly feel some concern is granted. Here is a few short yardage carries when it was 3rd down. Let me ask all of you sharks when somone is getting the carries on 3rd and 1 and 3rd and 2. What does that say? I can understand if it is 3rd and 5 and Davenport is getting the carries but when it is 3rd and short and they are running the ball I would expect my best short yardage player to get the ball. Jerome Bettis would get these carries along with goal line. Why is davenport getting this carries. PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS TO ME. 3rd and 2 at PIT 47 (13:03) N.Davenport right guard to PIT 48 for 1 yard (D.Jackson). 3rd and 1 at CLV 33 (4:45) N.Davenport right guard to CLV 26 for 7 yards (L.Williams). 3rd and 2 at PIT 40 (12:07) (Shotgun) N.Davenport right tackle to PIT 47 for 7 yards (L.Williams, E.Wright). You say I have nothing to worry. Well why is Davenport getting short yardage carries.Fumbles are a legit concern. Get off FWP's nuts already.