Is Dallas serious? (1 Viewer)

[TD5150]

I know J. Jones is gone after this year ( ) but they still have a stud in MB3. Dallas shouldn't give it a second thought; they should make him the featured back and give him the ball 20+ times a game.

Now I'm hearing that Dallas may try and trade their two first round picks (plus others) to Miami and draft Darren McFadden???

What sense does this make??

Why doesn't MB3 get the respect he deserves? He is a top 10 RB TODAY! Next year without JJ he could be top 3-5. All this guy does is run like his life depends on it and scores touchdowns! (BTW this is exactly opposite of what C. Benson does )

Does anybody know any more about this possible trade with Miami? Or why Dallas is even considering it?

 

[wilked]

in depth suff here....

 

[Tommy Collins]

in depth suff here....

 

[Ghost Rider]

Barber is not a stud, nor is he a guy that can touch the ball 300+ times over the course of a season. His style is way too physical, which is most likely why his touches are sometimes limited. Yes, football is a physical sport, but Barber actually seeks out contact. That style of play leads to more injuries the more you touch the ball. Dallas is doing just fine with a two-RB system, so if Jones is a goner in the off season, Dallas will probably get another guy to help share the ball in the running game, assuming they keep Barber.

 

[Heatman]

How fitting that Parcells is now in Miami needing a lot of picks and controlling the #1 while knowing his old boss LOVES Mcfadden and has a ton of picks he wants to give for the guy.

I'd say this deal is nearly done.

 

[Sopranos]

Well lets see. The coaches see him everyday in practice and in workouts and have 100's of hours of gamefilm on him. Maybe just maybe they know they dont want him as their lead RB. As for fantasy his #'s are at his peak IMO. IF he does ever get 25+ rushes i see his #'s falling somewhat. He doesnt do the dirtywork. JJ helps wear the defenses down the first half while Barber for the most part is amping up on the sideline waiting to lay a hit on someone.After he carries the load in the first half he will be looking to avoid a hit later in the game. JMO

 

[PatrickT]

Let me get this straight. Now the Falcons are getting screwed on a rumor of a trade?

Dude, when does this year end, this is getting unbearable.

 

[Otis]

in depth suff here....

2/10

 

[Bankerguy]

Despite the connections to Arkansas for Jerry. I would be shocked to see the Cowboys trade up to get DMac. There are other needs on this team and RB in my opinion is not one of the Top 3. It's not like JJ will be hard to replace. Draft someone in the 3rd round or sign a FA. Barber is NOT an every down back and needs to have a 1a/b to compliment his running style. Depsite Jerry's detractors, he has made some good moves recently. The Davis and Hamlin signings were great.

I'd like to see the Cowboys take 2 CB's in Round 1, or 1 CB and 1 WR.

Just my $0.02.

 

[Phurfur]

JJ is going to do what ever he wants, this is his history. Although the guy is a great business man, his skills as a football GM are lacking. He has formed a definite pattern. After he purchased the Cowboys he hired Jimmy Johnson who builds the team into a Super Bowl winner. At this point JJ’s ego gets in the way and Jimmy leaves. The team coasted for a few years and then fell apart. After struggling for years JJ hires The Tuna to rebuild the team, which he does. JJ’s ego gets in the way again and BP leaves. Jerry is now in control again. Hopefully he can win a SB before he destroys the team again.

I am not saying this is a good or bad move, I am saying people are going to start questioning JJ the GM again. (Ask Quincy Carter)

Does anyone doubt that the Cowboys would have won 4 SBs in a row if Jimmy Johnson had stayed?

 

[taylorj99]

With two picks in the first already, I think that IF they can get Atlanta to pony up their first in excange for Barber+picks, they will be in a better position to deal with Miami IF in fact they do want to take McFadden 1st overall. Then, they would still have another low first rounder to get another receiver, corner, or safety, whichever is BPA. A lot of IF's, I know, but as some eluded to earlier, JJ WILL do what it takes to get the guys that HE wants on the team.

 

[Routilla]

I'd rather DAL trade their 2 first round picks and use the $ to go after Trufant or Samuel at CB, and Bob Sanders at S.

 

[Traders2001]

I think the Falcons should not trade the pick if they can get McFadden ( He will be a absolute stud a la ADP,Barber is nt and will never be close to the player McFadden will be ) .

 

[taylorj99]

I think the Falcons should not trade the pick if they can get McFadden ( He will be a absolute stud a la ADP,Barber is nt and will never be close to the player McFadden will be ) .

The more I think about the whole Barber to Atlanta deal. It's starting to look more like Barber+both of Dallas firsts, for Atlanta's first. JJ knows that Miami needs a whole lot more than McFadden and really doesn't want him fisrt overall anyway. If he can get into the 2-4 range, he feels than he'll still get what he wants and leave Miami holding the bag. Just a thought.

 

[BigJim®]

The anti-Barber rhetoric is practically unbearable at this point.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

JJ is going to do what ever he wants, this is his history. Although the guy is a great business man, his skills as a football GM are lacking. He has formed a definite pattern. After he purchased the Cowboys he hired Jimmy Johnson who builds the team into a Super Bowl winner. At this point JJ’s ego gets in the way and Jimmy leaves. The team coasted for a few years and then fell apart. After struggling for years JJ hires The Tuna to rebuild the team, which he does. JJ’s ego gets in the way again and BP leaves. Jerry is now in control again. Hopefully he can win a SB before he destroys the team again.I am not saying this is a good or bad move, I am saying people are going to start questioning JJ the GM again. (Ask Quincy Carter)Does anyone doubt that the Cowboys would have won 4 SBs in a row if Jimmy Johnson had stayed?

I'm a Cowboys fan and I don't *think* they would've won 4 in a row. Young was outrageously great in '94 and the Niners had Deion that year and just a great team overall.People like to say Dallas *bought* those Super Bowls, but I'm pretty sure that they only signed something like 6 FA's from '91 - '95 while losing over 33 players to free agency in that timeframe. The advent of the salary cap and Jones' inability to adjust to it....along with the Niners in '94 really the Cowboys from winning more Super Bowls than anything else. YAKUZA

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I think the Falcons should not trade the pick if they can get McFadden ( He will be a absolute stud a la ADP,Barber is nt and will never be close to the player McFadden will be ) .

The more I think about the whole Barber to Atlanta deal. It's starting to look more like Barber+both of Dallas firsts, for Atlanta's first. JJ knows that Miami needs a whole lot more than McFadden and really doesn't want him fisrt overall anyway. If he can get into the 2-4 range, he feels than he'll still get what he wants and leave Miami holding the bag. Just a thought.

Dallas won't trade Barber in order to get McFadden, mainly because Barber has experience and doesn't cost much. If a deal gets done to move up for McFadden it'll probably be for both of Dallas' first and then either first or second in '08. They may throw a role player in their like Anthony Fasano, but they plan on keeping Barber around.YAKUZA

 

[taylorj99]

The anti-Barber rhetoric is practically unbearable at this point.

If it were me, I'd keep Barber and deal Jones. I just don't think they have equal value at this point. Barber>Jones.

 

[BigJim®]

The anti-Barber rhetoric is practically unbearable at this point.

If it were me, I'd keep Barber and deal Jones. I just don't think they have equal value at this point. Barber>Jones.

No, that would be a bad idea. Barber only succeeds because the great JJ wears down defenses for him and Barber's running style will get him injured, as evidenced by the fact he's never been seriously injured.

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

I would much rather take a chance on McFadden, then build my entire running game around Marion Barber. Barber is an extremely tough, and physical runner... but it isn't realistic to think that he can do that for too many carries, or for too many years. Hopefully they can keep ahold of Barber too.

 

[ooofffaaa]

Now I'm hearing that Dallas may try and trade their two first round picks (plus others) to Miami and draft Darren McFadden???

PLEASE let this happen

 

[supermark_28]

The anti-Barber rhetoric is practically unbearable at this point.

If it were me, I'd keep Barber and deal Jones. I just don't think they have equal value at this point. Barber>Jones.

No, that would be a bad idea. Barber only succeeds because the great JJ wears down defenses for him and Barber's running style will get him injured, as evidenced by the fact he's never been seriously injured.

From the games I've watched recently,I've yet to see JJones wear down any defense. The guy is most likely a gonerat the end of the season and I believe Dallas re-signs MBIII and pairs him w/ a Jones type runner.

 

[OU#1]

MBIII hasn't carried a full load since (I assume) high school. He didn't do it in college and he hasn't yet done it in the pros.

 

[BigJim®]

The anti-Barber rhetoric is practically unbearable at this point.

If it were me, I'd keep Barber and deal Jones. I just don't think they have equal value at this point. Barber>Jones.

No, that would be a bad idea. Barber only succeeds because the great JJ wears down defenses for him and Barber's running style will get him injured, as evidenced by the fact he's never been seriously injured.

From the games I've watched recently,I've yet to see JJones wear down any defense. The guy is most likely a gonerat the end of the season and I believe Dallas re-signs MBIII and pairs him w/ a Jones type runner.

Follow the string. My post was 100% sarcasm.

 

[montanagold]

Well.... why not pocket a 1st.... and trade for Michael Turner?

Cowboys coach should know him well...... that is unless, Miami (another ex SD coach) would go after Turner... and want Dallas's pick or picks to get him!

Of course this all depends on were you value his talents...

 

[Bankerguy]

The anti-Barber rhetoric is practically unbearable at this point.

If it were me, I'd keep Barber and deal Jones. I just don't think they have equal value at this point. Barber>Jones.

They are both RFA's at year end.

 

[Colin Dowling]

WHere are you hearing this, other then at message boards and in editorials?

 

[ClownDogs]

Barber is not a stud, nor is he a guy that can touch the ball 300+ times over the course of a season. His style is way too physical, which is most likely why his touches are sometimes limited.

Why do people KEEP SAYING THIS? You have yet to see him carry a full load, NO WAY POSSIBLE you can say he can't handle it. Dunn is too small, Barry was too small, MB3 runs too hard......get real. If you got the talent, it eventually shows. In case everyone hasn't realized, football is a contact sport, injuries happen. Until he is given the full load, in no way should anyone say he can't handle it.

 

[Avery]

Barber is not a stud, nor is he a guy that can touch the ball 300+ times over the course of a season. His style is way too physical, which is most likely why his touches are sometimes limited.

Why do people KEEP SAYING THIS? You have yet to see him carry a full load, NO WAY POSSIBLE you can say he can't handle it. Dunn is too small, Barry was too small, MB3 runs too hard......get real. If you got the talent, it eventually shows. In case everyone hasn't realized, football is a contact sport, injuries happen. Until he is given the full load, in no way should anyone say he can't handle it.

Valid.Not to be a contrarian, but similar logic states that until he is given the full load, in no way should anyone say he can handle it either.

 

[ClownDogs]

Barber is not a stud, nor is he a guy that can touch the ball 300+ times over the course of a season. His style is way too physical, which is most likely why his touches are sometimes limited.

Why do people KEEP SAYING THIS? You have yet to see him carry a full load, NO WAY POSSIBLE you can say he can't handle it. Dunn is too small, Barry was too small, MB3 runs too hard......get real. If you got the talent, it eventually shows. In case everyone hasn't realized, football is a contact sport, injuries happen. Until he is given the full load, in no way should anyone say he can't handle it.

Valid.Not to be a contrarian, but similar logic states that until he is given the full load, in no way should anyone say he can handle it either.

I agree 100%. I am not personally saying he can handle it in my response(my personal opinion is that he can, but that isn't the point). All i am saying is the talent rises to the top in the NFL, plain and simple. Given the chance, I honestly think he can suceed being a fulltime back.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

WHere are you hearing this, other then at message boards and in editorials?

I heard it today on Sirius NFL radio, however the consensus was that the #1 pick this year is almost worthless because of the 45-50 Million Dollar contract you would have to give the player. It was also expressed that the pick would almost have to be given away this year since there is no clear stud in this draft.

 

[Sopranos]

The anti-Barber rhetoric is practically unbearable at this point.

If it were me, I'd keep Barber and deal Jones. I just don't think they have equal value at this point. Barber>Jones.

They are both RFA's at year end.

J Jones is a UFA after the season.

 

[-primetime-]

I know J. Jones is gone after this year ( ) but they still have a stud in MB3. Dallas shouldn't give it a second thought; they should make him the featured back and give him the ball 20+ times a game.Now I'm hearing that Dallas may try and trade their two first round picks (plus others) to Miami and draft Darren McFadden???What sense does this make?? Why doesn't MB3 get the respect he deserves? He is a top 10 RB TODAY! Next year without JJ he could be top 3-5. All this guy does is run like his life depends on it and scores touchdowns! (BTW this is exactly opposite of what C. Benson does )Does anybody know any more about this possible trade with Miami? Or why Dallas is even considering it?

where did you hear this?

 

[Warehouse Nasty]

I live in Texas and my fantasy league has a few Cowboys fans in it so there's no way I'll get Marion Barber on the cheap but those of you saying he can't handle a full time load are insane IMO. He shared the load in college because he played with Maroney who was an excellent college back. He shares the load in Dallas because Jones is capable and nearly every coach in the league would play this out the same way.

If Jones leaves, which makes sense because he's a FA next year, MB will be a top 5 back next year.

 

[TD5150]

I live in Texas and my fantasy league has a few Cowboys fans in it so there's no way I'll get Marion Barber on the cheap but those of you saying he can't handle a full time load are insane IMO. He shared the load in college because he played with Maroney who was an excellent college back. He shares the load in Dallas because Jones is capable and nearly every coach in the league would play this out the same way.If Jones leaves, which makes sense because he's a FA next year, MB will be a top 5 back next year.

Spot on!

 

[V1LL]

if they do indeed want him they'll HAVE to get to number one to get him cuz the Patsies would surely nab him #2. He'd be an AWESOME fit in that NE offense!

 

[BigTex]

Despite the connections to Arkansas for Jerry. I would be shocked to see the Cowboys trade up to get DMac. There are other needs on this team and RB in my opinion is not one of the Top 3. It's not like JJ will be hard to replace. Draft someone in the 3rd round or sign a FA. Barber is NOT an every down back and needs to have a 1a/b to compliment his running style. Depsite Jerry's detractors, he has made some good moves recently. The Davis and Hamlin signings were great.I'd like to see the Cowboys take 2 CB's in Round 1, or 1 CB and 1 WR. Just my $0.02.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Barber is not a stud, nor is he a guy that can touch the ball 300+ times over the course of a season. His style is way too physical, which is most likely why his touches are sometimes limited.

Why do people KEEP SAYING THIS? You have yet to see him carry a full load, NO WAY POSSIBLE you can say he can't handle it. Dunn is too small, Barry was too small, MB3 runs too hard......get real. If you got the talent, it eventually shows. In case everyone hasn't realized, football is a contact sport, injuries happen. Until he is given the full load, in no way should anyone say he can't handle it.

Okay, but on the flip side, until he is given the full load, you cannot say that he can handle it. And guys like Dunn and Sanders are bad examples, as they are/were smallish runners who running style didn't invite as much contact as the average RB. Barber, on the other hand, seeks out contact like no other RB I have seen in recent years, so I still contend that the coaching staff keeps his touches somewhat limited for that very reason. I mean, if Barber is so damn great, why is it that two different coaching staffs have now refused to let him be the full-time featured back? It is not like Julius Jones is so good, that he is keeping Barber off of the field.

 

[Tornacl]

JJ is going to do what ever he wants, this is his history. Although the guy is a great business man, his skills as a football GM are lacking. He has formed a definite pattern. After he purchased the Cowboys he hired Jimmy Johnson who builds the team into a Super Bowl winner. At this point JJ’s ego gets in the way and Jimmy leaves. The team coasted for a few years and then fell apart. After struggling for years JJ hires The Tuna to rebuild the team, which he does. JJ’s ego gets in the way again and BP leaves. Jerry is now in control again. Hopefully he can win a SB before he destroys the team again.I am not saying this is a good or bad move, I am saying people are going to start questioning JJ the GM again. (Ask Quincy Carter)Does anyone doubt that the Cowboys would have won 4 SBs in a row if Jimmy Johnson had stayed?

I'm a Cowboys fan and I don't *think* they would've won 4 in a row. Young was outrageously great in '94 and the Niners had Deion that year and just a great team overall.People like to say Dallas *bought* those Super Bowls, but I'm pretty sure that they only signed something like 6 FA's from '91 - '95 while losing over 33 players to free agency in that timeframe. The advent of the salary cap and Jones' inability to adjust to it....along with the Niners in '94 really the Cowboys from winning more Super Bowls than anything else. YAKUZA

I don't see how Cowboys fans don't realize that without The Trade, they probably wouldn't have won any Superbowls at all in the '90s.

 

[PranksterJD]

Barber is not a stud, nor is he a guy that can touch the ball 300+ times over the course of a season. His style is way too physical, which is most likely why his touches are sometimes limited.

Why do people KEEP SAYING THIS? You have yet to see him carry a full load, NO WAY POSSIBLE you can say he can't handle it. Dunn is too small, Barry was too small, MB3 runs too hard......get real. If you got the talent, it eventually shows. In case everyone hasn't realized, football is a contact sport, injuries happen. Until he is given the full load, in no way should anyone say he can't handle it.

Okay, but on the flip side, until he is given the full load, you cannot say that he can handle it. And guys like Dunn and Sanders are bad examples, as they are/were smallish runners who running style didn't invite as much contact as the average RB. Barber, on the other hand, seeks out contact like no other RB I have seen in recent years, so I still contend that the coaching staff keeps his touches somewhat limited for that very reason. I mean, if Barber is so damn great, why is it that two three different coaching staffs have now refused to let him be the full-time featured back? It is not like Julius Jones is so good, that he is keeping Barber off of the field.

Maroney and Julius are different talent levels, for sure... but don't forget that this is the third batch of coaches that thinks Barber is better suited to share duties.I've got to admit though, if you ignore guys who go by their initials, Barber is probably one of the most fun backs to watch in the NFL. Not sure if that means fantasy uber-stud success, but this guy can straight up flatten people.

 

[SOmojo]

How fitting that Parcells is now in Miami needing a lot of picks and controlling the #1 while knowing his old boss LOVES Mcfadden and has a ton of picks he wants to give for the guy.I'd say this deal is nearly done.

Jerry Jones isn't an idiot, contrary to popular belief. Bill Parcells isn't a guy that drafts a running back #1, when there are other guys there worthy of the pick, that are more likely to give him a higher number of quality years. Running Back - 5 year lifespanOffensive lineman - 10 year lifespanParcells will favor the lineman if the talent is near equal, and Jerry Jones knows that.

 

[Mikey16x]

Not saying he CANT carry the load... but to carry the ball 20+ times a game with his style of running... its almost a certainty that he will miss 4-5 games a season if not IR'ed. The guy is a freak of nature.. don't get me wrong but he is not superman... look at all of the players that run similar... Brandon Jacobs, Caddy, Deuce McAlister, Rudi Johnson, Travis Henry all have similar styles... they look to hit you before elude you... and all have missed significant time. When you have a physical runner like that... you need another running back to share the load... teams learned this.. i.e

jaguars now have MJD for Fred Taylor

saints drafted Bush.. kind of fell into their laps but they got the hint

Cinci gave watson a little more playing time..

broncos got S. Young more involved

Giants started to use Ward a little more

Im sure im missing a few more... but im just trying to get my point across... the style of runner MBIII is.... it's just torture on the body... history doesn't lie... he's a stud for what he can do... but its extremely unlikely he can maintain that same physicality on 20+ carries a game for 16 games unless he learns to not drop that shoulder so much when going out of bounds or going down faster then he normally would.

Again not saying "he can't"... I just haven't seen anybody in recent years able to be that physical and play out a season.

 

[Ryan_21]

Only an idiot for a GM would trade away one of the best RBs in the league, then trade away more draft picks for an unproven rookie RB who's contract will be huge. And who's to say McFadden can even carry a full load in the NFL, he is a lot more unproven than Barber. Barber is a COMPLETE RB, there is no weakness in his game and to say Barber cant carry a full load is nonsense. Some guys are just built tough as nails, Barber is one of them. I would put the future of my franchise at RB in Barbers hands over McFadden any day of the week and twice on sundays. If the Cowboys did this it would be about as dumb as when the Vikings gave up all them players and picks to trade for Herschel Walker, when you consider the salary cap and how many draft picks they would give up, plus the fact they would be trading one of the best young RBs in the league right now this would set the Cowboys franchise back for years. I mean really how much since would it make to trade away an All Pro RB, two first rounders, and a later round pick or two for an unproven rookie that has just as much chance to be a bust as Reggie Bush, Cadillac Williams, etc

 

[BigJim®]

its almost a certainty that he will miss 4-5 games a season if not IR'ed.

 

[Game Time]

Only an idiot for a GM would trade away one of the best RBs in the league, then trade away more draft picks for an unproven rookie RB who's contract will be huge. And who's to say McFadden can even carry a full load in the NFL, he is a lot more unproven than Barber. Barber is a COMPLETE RB, there is no weakness in his game and to say Barber cant carry a full load is nonsense. Some guys are just built tough as nails, Barber is one of them. I would put the future of my franchise at RB in Barbers hands over McFadden any day of the week and twice on sundays. If the Cowboys did this it would be about as dumb as when the Vikings gave up all them players and picks to trade for Herschel Walker, when you consider the salary cap and how many draft picks they would give up, plus the fact they would be trading one of the best young RBs in the league right now this would set the Cowboys franchise back for years. I mean really how much since would it make to trade away an All Pro RB, two first rounders, and a later round pick or two for an unproven rookie that has just as much chance to be a bust as Reggie Bush, Cadillac Williams, etc

Agreed! It shocks me so much when people think a rookie who has never played is better than a guy who plays part-time and is a top rb in the league. Injuries are part of the game... Anyone can get injured at any time.... Barber blocks, catches, and can even run a little.... Will McFadden be a good back.. Possibly... Is Barber a complete back now.. Yep! They have other needs... Why draft a position that already has a quality player... Maybe they should draft another qb.... Than again I hate the Cowboys, so hopefully they do something stupid! LOL

 

[Ryan_21]

Why draft a position that already has a PRO BOWL player...

FixedAlso not only is Barber a complete 3 down back, but he is without a doubt the Hardest RB in the league. Who's to say McFadden doesnt come into the league and turn out to be soft as charmin?Oh yeah and in 471 career carries Barber has 0 fumbles lost.

 

[Topes]

WHere are you hearing this, other then at message boards and in editorials?

Sports Radio?

 

[Dought Man]

The anti-Barber rhetoric is practically unbearable at this point.

If it were me, I'd keep Barber and deal Jones. I just don't think they have equal value at this point. Barber>Jones.

ya think? Who in their right mind would want to trade for Julius Jones??