Is DMC even tradable right now (1 Viewer)

[Raider Nation]

Crappy offense? They finished 6th in scoring last year at 25.6 points per game! The Ravens were 16th.

They were 31st in 2009 and 29th in 2008. They change coaches and coordinators like most people change their underwear. They could be 6th in scoring again in say, 2013, or Al Davis could come out of his coffin long enough to get offended by something that Jackson says and there is more turnover. I have much more confidence that Baltimore produces winning teams, retains quality coaching personnel, and keeps a quality supporting cast around Rice than I do for McFadden.Again, these guys are in the same tier. I understand the McFadden is more talented argument. I understand taking McFadden's high ceiling over Rice's high floor. I just don't see the situations as being remotely close.

Again, why do you insist on bringing up the JaMarcus Russel led Raider team, as if that had any relvance? Why not compare the Curtis Painter led Colts to the Peyton Manning led Colts while you're at it?

Why even justify that horrific post with a reply?

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Crappy offense? They finished 6th in scoring last year at 25.6 points per game! The Ravens were 16th.

They were 31st in 2009 and 29th in 2008. They change coaches and coordinators like most people change their underwear. They could be 6th in scoring again in say, 2013, or Al Davis could come out of his coffin long enough to get offended by something that Jackson says and there is more turnover. I have much more confidence that Baltimore produces winning teams, retains quality coaching personnel, and keeps a quality supporting cast around Rice than I do for McFadden.Again, these guys are in the same tier. I understand the McFadden is more talented argument. I understand taking McFadden's high ceiling over Rice's high floor. I just don't see the situations as being remotely close.

Again, why do you insist on bringing up the JaMarcus Russel led Raider team, as if that had any relvance? Why not compare the Curtis Painter led Colts to the Peyton Manning led Colts while you're at it?

Why even justify that horrific post with a reply?

RNAs per usual, you are spot on. Should have ignored at least one other in this thread as well. Sorry for taking the smelly bait.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Take off the homer glasses guys. I agree that DMC is a stud. All I'm saying is that in a discussion of his dynasty value moving forward, the past decade or so of farcical levels of incompetence and instability of the Oakland franchise is one relevant data point among many.

Yes, they appear to have made strides, but last I checked, Al Davis still owns the team. He's been pretty erratic to say the least. Yeah, Jamarcus sucked, but the Raiders issues have gone way deeper for way longer than he can possibly blamed for. Good for you if you can say that all that is 100% in the rearview mirror moving forward.

 

[theoneandonly]

I do not see the point in trading him. The only rbs I would consider are ADP,Mccoy, and Rice. I could see any of these 4 guys being number 1. I would just hold.

 

[Herm23]

If we are talking about dynasty value in here also, is everyone so quick to discount Chris Johnson? I realize he has had a rough 3 games to begin the season, but I have yet to see 1 person bring his name up in terms of a dynasty player you would consider moving McFadden for. Is it possible he has fallen from grace that fast? If yes, I need to go out and start trying to acquire him in every league I am in- this is the same Chris Johnson that everyone said was a once in a decade talent that was destined for the hall of fame as recently as 2 months ago, right?. As for ranking players from a talent standpoint, I put it something like this

1. Adrian Peterson

2. Chris Johnson

3. LeSean McCoy (I was slow to come around to him, but am now sold)

4. Darren McFadden

5. Ray Rice

6. Arian Foster

I think it falls to another tier at that point. I truly believe there is that much of a gap between Adrian Peterson and every other running back in the NFL (and I have posts dating back 1 or 2 years ago that state the exact same thing, my opinion has not changed). Compared to McFadden directly, Peterson does basically everything McFadden does, only he does it better. They both possess roughly the same speed, but Peterson has better moves, more power, has proven more durable, has a better nose for the end zone, and seems like that rare breed of player that has the body to remain effective beyond the normal shelf life for running backs (although I admit that last part is strictly a gut feeling). About the only thing McFadden is better at is his receiving skills, but I don't believe he is significantly better and wouldn't be surprised to see Peterson come close to equaling him in that regard one season. I also think you can switch up any of the running backs from 2 through 6 and can't fault anyone for having them in any order.

To answer the question, I think you should instantly trade McFadden for Peterson if the opportunity arises, otherwise you are just shuffling cards between the other players. I am not a proponent of trading like players unless you get something in return, so I wouldn't trade, say, Ray Rice for McFadden just as I wouldn't trade McFadden for Ray Rice.

 

[rct]

If we are talking about dynasty value in here also, is everyone so quick to discount Chris Johnson? I realize he has had a rough 3 games to begin the season, but I have yet to see 1 person bring his name up in terms of a dynasty player you would consider moving McFadden for. Is it possible he has fallen from grace that fast? If yes, I need to go out and start trying to acquire him in every league I am in- this is the same Chris Johnson that everyone said was a once in a decade talent that was destined for the hall of fame as recently as 2 months ago, right?. As for ranking players from a talent standpoint, I put it something like this

1. Adrian Peterson

2. Chris Johnson

3. LeSean McCoy (I was slow to come around to him, but am now sold)

4. Darren McFadden

5. Ray Rice

6. Arian Foster

I think it falls to another tier at that point. I truly believe there is that much of a gap between Adrian Peterson and every other running back in the NFL (and I have posts dating back 1 or 2 years ago that state the exact same thing, my opinion has not changed). Compared to McFadden directly, Peterson does basically everything McFadden does, only he does it better. They both possess roughly the same speed, but Peterson has better moves, more power, has proven more durable, has a better nose for the end zone, and seems like that rare breed of player that has the body to remain effective beyond the normal shelf life for running backs (although I admit that last part is strictly a gut feeling). About the only thing McFadden is better at is his receiving skills, but I don't believe he is significantly better and wouldn't be surprised to see Peterson come close to equaling him in that regard one season. I also think you can switch up any of the running backs from 2 through 6 and can't fault anyone for having them in any order.

To answer the question, I think you should instantly trade McFadden for Peterson if the opportunity arises, otherwise you are just shuffling cards between the other players. I am not a proponent of trading like players unless you get something in return, so I wouldn't trade, say, Ray Rice for McFadden just as I wouldn't trade McFadden for Ray Rice.

I seriously doubt any Peterson owner would want to trade for DMC.

 

[fruity pebbles]

If we are talking about dynasty value in here also, is everyone so quick to discount Chris Johnson? I realize he has had a rough 3 games to begin the season, but I have yet to see 1 person bring his name up in terms of a dynasty player you would consider moving McFadden for. Is it possible he has fallen from grace that fast? If yes, I need to go out and start trying to acquire him in every league I am in- this is the same Chris Johnson that everyone said was a once in a decade talent that was destined for the hall of fame as recently as 2 months ago, right?. As for ranking players from a talent standpoint, I put it something like this

1. Adrian Peterson

2. Chris Johnson

3. LeSean McCoy (I was slow to come around to him, but am now sold)

4. Darren McFadden

5. Ray Rice

6. Arian Foster

I think it falls to another tier at that point. I truly believe there is that much of a gap between Adrian Peterson and every other running back in the NFL (and I have posts dating back 1 or 2 years ago that state the exact same thing, my opinion has not changed). Compared to McFadden directly, Peterson does basically everything McFadden does, only he does it better. They both possess roughly the same speed, but Peterson has better moves, more power, has proven more durable, has a better nose for the end zone, and seems like that rare breed of player that has the body to remain effective beyond the normal shelf life for running backs (although I admit that last part is strictly a gut feeling). About the only thing McFadden is better at is his receiving skills, but I don't believe he is significantly better and wouldn't be surprised to see Peterson come close to equaling him in that regard one season. I also think you can switch up any of the running backs from 2 through 6 and can't fault anyone for having them in any order.

To answer the question, I think you should instantly trade McFadden for Peterson if the opportunity arises, otherwise you are just shuffling cards between the other players. I am not a proponent of trading like players unless you get something in return, so I wouldn't trade, say, Ray Rice for McFadden just as I wouldn't trade McFadden for Ray Rice.

I seriously doubt any Peterson owner would want to trade for DMC.

I wouldn't assume that especially in a dynasty. DMC is easily outscoring him and is a full 2 1/2 years younger which in a dynasty is an eternity for a RB.

 

[The Moz]

Why I see DMC as #1 ( if you have M Bush) is that if Rice goes down what do you got? If AD goes down ? If McCoy goes down ??

Bush cans till get 100 yards some catches and scores as a back up. DMC talent is at least equal with all those listed -- maybe AD had more talent but a horrible team.

 

[Herm23]

Why I see DMC as #1 ( if you have M Bush) is that if Rice goes down what do you got? If AD goes down ? If McCoy goes down ??Bush cans till get 100 yards some catches and scores as a back up. DMC talent is at least equal with all those listed -- maybe AD had more talent but a horrible team.

This is completely dependent on the scenario for each individual team. For some teams, a McFadden injury would mean they are playing a stud that is on their bench because they are incredibly deep (very possible in keeper and dynasty leagues). In this case, the "having Michael Bush as a backup" argument holds almost no value at all, since these owners likely have other options than Michael Bush to play.For a team that has little to no depth, having Michael Bush to handcuff with McFadden would increase his value somewhat.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I busted up my team in theoff season and got a good deal I think, traded him during the draft.

Gave DMC / Amendola / Hester

Got AJ Green / Vereen / 2013 1st / bunch of 5ths.

I also drafted Ridley and won't have if I didn't do this deal.

2 of the 5ths are still in my team, Sheard and Cruz.