Is it fair to say that Carolina, under Fox (1 Viewer)

[Blackjacks]

I was interested in a trade with a guy in our dynasty league and started looking into the #'s and since Fox has been there (- 1 year) he has really tried to have a 2 headed monster. Does this have to do with availabilty and injuries, also age or does he prefer a big back little back kind of system?

 

[Bankerguy]

I say yes.

Maybe not be choice though.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

I would say no.

If you remember the 2002 season, Lamar Smith was the starter and Fox worked him Shanahan style. He was getting 20+ carries a game. He wasn't very good from an NFL standpoint, but he was racking up multi TD games for fantasy.

I can't remember if Lamar Smith got hurt or benched, but I remember not being able to use him during the 2nd half of the fantasy season.

Also remember that 2002 was DeShaun Foster's rookie year. Many people were salivating over him because he had broken off some big run in the preseason... but Foster ending up getting hurt before the season started (sign of things to come).

So in 2003 they decided to go out and get Stephen Davis, who they worked Shanahan style when he was healthy. Davis had multiple 20+ carry games and even some 30 carry games. The only thing that stopped Davis from getting a big workload was health.

In 2004, the entire RB roster got hurt and Nick Goings ended up with the starter's job. Once again, when healthy, Fox's RBs got hefty workloads with up to 30 carries in a game.

In 2005, Davis was ineffective and Foster had been pegged as a Tatum Bell type... good situational runner but can't handle a full workload.

Anyway... Fox has had some "RBBC", but not by design... The guys he's had have either been not that great or injured often. If you know who the starter is in Carolina, you know he'll get a big workload as long as he's healthy. Kind of a mini-Denver situation.

 

[MLBrandow]

Nope

 

[Franknbeans]

Fox prefers guys who know the system. That's why he wouldn't start Deshaun last season despite it being painfully obvious that Davis was running out of steam. Deshaun gets first crack this year and when he fails, Goings will take over.

 

[Warpig]

Nope

Man...it don't get no better than that. Awesome insight! You must have connections on the "inside". p.s.

Nice reply KRS

 

[zamboni]

I don't think Fox chooses to run RBBC, as Davis carried the load a couple of years ago, while Nick Goings did as well when the others went down.

I think it's more out of necessity than design. If Foster or Williams can be everydown backs, I imagine he'll ride the horse that can do it.

 

[Blitzkrieg88]

Nope

Man...it don't get no better than that. Awesome insight! You must have connections on the "inside". p.s.

Nice reply KRS

Thanks for your insight, as well.And, no, Carolina will ride 1 back if healthy.

 

[SCGiants]

Foster was meant to be a relief back for Davis.. thats all. When Davis was healthy he was the horse.

That team has been plagued by injuries to their RBs for a few years now and by seasons end if you just looked at stats it would seem Fox liked the RBBC.. not so. Injuries forced changes..and usually more than once in a season.

I believe that Foster will be the man in 2006 and Williams will be the relief.. at least that will be the initial plan. In reality the chances of Foster playing 16 games is slim ...going on his past record. IMO if Foster goes down for any amount of time and Williams can stay healthy and perform I wouldn't be surprised to see Foster elsewhere in 2007..and watch Carolina pick up a bull back.. like TJ duckett etc for the short yardage.

Heres the other side of that coin....remember the NFL is a follow the leader type league.. RBBC seems to be on the rise and if it helps keep their top playmakers healthy all year I wouldn't be surprised to see Carolina hop on that train. They have been bitten by the injury bug one too many times to ignore the possibility of a rbbc approach.

Whats this all amount up to?

Take a seat and wait it out like the rest of us.

 

[nygiants56]

OC Dan Henning is an old school Parcells coach, so he's definitely not an rbbc guy..

most of what you've seen is due to injuries..

he prefers to pound a defense with 1 RB , giving him 20+ carries..

 

[shakeybarn]

Not sure if they prefer vs... they HAVE to... givne the last coupel years, the talent they've had and injuries thereof (Davis, Goings, Foster, Steve Smith, etc...)... they haven't had the best luck in the skill positions.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

One thing I'd mention is that the two main RBs in Carolina right now are not known for their health.

This could be a "buy Nick Goings in the last round and stash him on your bench and get excellent PPG halfway through the season" situation.

 

[jdoggydogg]

I am surprised that even 13% of the voters here chose the RBBC option. Fox wants a horse to carry the rock full time. Carolina has reverted to RBBC only by necessity. I see either Foster or Williams getting the lion's share of carries this year if one of them can stay healthy.

 

[Hooper]

I am surprised that even 13% of the voters here chose the RBBC option. Fox wants a horse to carry the rock full time. Carolina has reverted to RBBC only by neccesity. I see either Foster or Williams getting the lion's share of carries this year if one of them can stay healthy.

I'm surprised by the 13% as well...Anyone remember the hub-bub over Shelton last year - and his low Wonderlic scores? Kinda smacked of Vince Young this year. Anyone see Eric edging DeAngelo on the depth charts? He sure looked solid pre-injury last year...

Either way - it's good 'handcuff' discussion. hmm...

 

[gman8343]

Anyone remember the hub-bub over Shelton last year - and his low Wonderlic scores? Kinda smacked of Vince Young this year. Anyone see Eric edging DeAngelo on the depth charts? He sure looked solid pre-injury last year...

Either way - it's good 'handcuff' discussion. hmm...

Is this sarcasm?

 

[Hooper]

Anyone remember the hub-bub over Shelton last year - and his low Wonderlic scores?  Kinda smacked of Vince Young this year.  Anyone see Eric edging DeAngelo on the depth charts? He sure looked solid pre-injury last year...

Either way - it's good 'handcuff' discussion.  hmm...

Is this sarcasm?

I went to a couple practices at Wolford College last summer... I know people turfed him even before his injury - but I thought he looked solid when I watched him in person...

 

[jdoggydogg]

Anyone remember the hub-bub over Shelton last year - and his low Wonderlic scores?  Kinda smacked of Vince Young this year.  Anyone see Eric edging DeAngelo on the depth charts? He sure looked solid pre-injury last year...

Either way - it's good 'handcuff' discussion.  hmm...

Is this sarcasm?

I went to a couple practices at Wolford College last summer... I know people turfed him even before his injury - but I thought he looked solid when I watched him in person...

I don't see any scenario where Shelton beats out a healthy Williams. Shelton looks like a marginal player to me, while Williams seems to have the talent to attain a much higher level of performance.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

16% of you think he prefers RBBC?

 

[Warpig]

Since when does a starting RB in the NFL return punts/kicks? I could swear I read something in here that said Carolina is trying Williams as a kick returner or punt returner. For now the job of starting RB belongs to Foster. Should he get injured I would assume it then goes to Goings with a few bones thrown Williams's way.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Since when does a starting RB in the NFL return punts/kicks? I could swear I read something in here that said Carolina is trying Williams as a kick returner or punt returner. For now the job of starting RB belongs to Foster. Should he get injured I would assume it then goes to Goings with a few bones thrown Williams's way.

Since when do teams draft kick returners in the first round?

 

[gman8343]

For now the job of starting RB belongs to Foster. Should he get injured I would assume it then goes to Goings with a few bones thrown Williams's way.

Goings is a nice, gritty player... but come on. Unless you're saying Williams may be too inexperienced to block well enough to be on the field, which I could understand, this comment seems questionable at best.

 

[jdoggydogg]

For now the job of starting RB belongs to Foster. Should he get injured I would assume it then goes to Goings with a few bones thrown Williams's way.

Goings is a nice, gritty player... but come on. Unless you're saying Williams may be too inexperienced to block well enough to be on the field, which I could understand, this comment seems questionable at best.

Goings is to Carolina as Dominic Rhodes is to Indy. Goings only starts over Williams if Williams shows an inability to block ot learn the offense. NO WAY does Goings start over Williams if the rookie is a fast learner.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Since when does a starting RB in the NFL return punts/kicks? I could swear I read something in here that said Carolina is trying Williams as a kick returner or punt returner. For now the job of starting RB belongs to Foster. Should he get injured I would assume it then goes to Goings with a few bones thrown Williams's way.

Since when do teams draft kick returners in the first round?

http://www.drafthistory.com/years/1992.htmlSee: #4 pick overall

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

For now the job of starting RB belongs to Foster. Should he get injured I would assume it then goes to Goings with a few bones thrown Williams's way.

Goings is a nice, gritty player... but come on. Unless you're saying Williams may be too inexperienced to block well enough to be on the field, which I could understand, this comment seems questionable at best.

Goings is to Carolina as Dominic Rhodes is to Indy. Goings only starts over Williams if Williams shows an inability to block ot learn the offense. NO WAY does Goings start over Williams if the rookie is a fast learner.

I feel the opposite.Until the rookie shows absolutely that he can protect the QB and do all those little things right, the veteran is the starter.

 

[jdoggydogg]

For now the job of starting RB belongs to Foster. Should he get injured I would assume it then goes to Goings with a few bones thrown Williams's way.

Goings is a nice, gritty player... but come on. Unless you're saying Williams may be too inexperienced to block well enough to be on the field, which I could understand, this comment seems questionable at best.

Goings is to Carolina as Dominic Rhodes is to Indy. Goings only starts over Williams if Williams shows an inability to block ot learn the offense. NO WAY does Goings start over Williams if the rookie is a fast learner.

I feel the opposite.Until the rookie shows absolutely that he can protect the QB and do all those little things right, the veteran is the starter.

We just said the same thing. I contend that Williams is far more talented than Goings, so he will start once he picks up the nuances of an NFL offense.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Since when does a starting RB in the NFL return punts/kicks?  I could swear I read something in here that said Carolina is trying Williams as a kick returner or punt returner.  For now the job of starting RB belongs to Foster.  Should he get injured I would assume it then goes to Goings with a few bones thrown Williams's way.

Since when do teams draft kick returners in the first round?

http://www.drafthistory.com/years/1992.htmlSee: #4 pick overall

That's not what they thought they were getting at the time.

 

[BeTheMatch]

For now the job of starting RB belongs to Foster.  Should he get injured I would assume it then goes to Goings with a few bones thrown Williams's way.

Goings is a nice, gritty player... but come on. Unless you're saying Williams may be too inexperienced to block well enough to be on the field, which I could understand, this comment seems questionable at best.

Goings is to Carolina as Dominic Rhodes is to Indy. Goings only starts over Williams if Williams shows an inability to block ot learn the offense. NO WAY does Goings start over Williams if the rookie is a fast learner.

I feel the opposite.Until the rookie shows absolutely that he can protect the QB and do all those little things right, the veteran is the starter.

Well, Pat Yasinskas, Charlotte Observer doesn't agree with you:FB Nick Goings, who has ended each of the last two seasons as the team's starting RB because of injuries to others, has returned to his role as the backup FB. Goings isn't a threat to challenge starter FB Brad Hoover for playing time because he lacks the size to be a dominant blocker. But Goings will continue to get a fair amount of playing time because of his versatility. He's a solid receiver and could be used at either RB or FB in passing situations. Goings also provides a nice insurance policy behind RBs DeShaun Foster and DeAngelo Williams.