Is it Hillis or Davis? (1 Viewer)

[Kenny Powers]

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[Eights]

Sorry but STOP the insanity!!!

Can we please get back on track and the main topic of this thread.

I liked what I saw of Hillis when he got the start in Denver, I watched plenty of college film on him, as a late round flyer as many of us are at the end of our drafts I will take Hillis.

Boom or Bust but I will take the gamble over the rest of the backs available right now in the 14th round or later.

 

[Winky the tunnel ferret]

Sorry but STOP the insanity!!!Can we please get back on track and the main topic of this thread.

The funny thing is it was Phil's attackers that hijacked the thread in the first place. Phil kept to the topic at hand. And instead of coming in here and setting things straight by simply deleting the crap, Joe threw a bucket of oil on the fire then got pissed when the flames flew out of control.We've seen a lot of annoying shticks on here...honestly, 3rd person shtick hardly cracks my top 10 list.

 

[ScottyFargo]

Was Hardesty's drafting really that big of an indictment against Harrison? What about JStew when DeAngelo was performing well? Vikings spent a 2nd on Gerhart, though that was to fill an obvious missing role, it's still a 2nd round pick when they already had Adrian Peterson. Felix Jones' has had an impact on Barber's #'s, but Barber is still a vital part of the running game in Dallas.

Personally, I drafted Harrison because I thought he was solid for an RB3, and now with this news I am more confident that he'll see enough touches to overproduce for where I drafted him.

 

[dancingbones]

Copy & past from another Harrison thread. Seems appropriate here as well.

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I've watched every Browns game for the past 8 years or so, and one of the things that puzzled me most during the Romeo years was why he didn't call Harrison's number more often. It seemed like every time he touched the ball, good things happened. I mean real life football game good things. Moving the chains, busting out a big play - stuff that gives a fan some hope - especially during those years when there wasn't much of that to go around.

Last year, the team committed to running the football and Harrison flat out delivered. People who are beleaguering the fact that there were an enormous amount of carries and the fact that these were weaker run defenses are forgetting that the commentators were constantly (and rightly so, I might add) bringing up the fact the fact that Cleveland hadn't scored a rushing touchdown in some insanely long number of quarters. It was embarrassing.

The Browns, with Mangini at the helm, started to give the ball to Harrison consistently and the Browns started to win football games. I remember Mangini being pissed when Harrison crossed the goal line on that 3rd TD of that huge game against KC. Taking a knee would have given the Browns the game, but a TD gave KC a chance. Harrison crossed the goal line anyway, and I'm all for it. Make a statement about what Browns football ought to be about. Run the ball & you just may win a few games!

I like Hillis a lot. I think the Browns went out and got him because they want to run some funky formations and he is a good all around football player. I think he is the guy to have over Davis, but I think Harrison is the guy to have in this offense. He's put in the time. It is his turn to shine.

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[General Malaise]

I just can't see Harrison carrying the load by himself.

We've never seen what he can do if forced to take on thirty or more carries.

Well, not in the pros, but he did it a handful of times in his final college season at Washington State in 2005.

Rushing Receiving Kick Ret Rk Date School  Opponent  Att Yds Avg TD Rec Yds Avg TD Ret Yds Avg TD 1 2005-09-01 Washington State  Idaho W 24 165 6.9 2 1 14 14.0 0 0 0  0 2 2005-09-09 Washington State @ Nevada W 18 121 6.7 0 1 15 15.0 0 0 0  0 3 2005-09-17 Washington State  Grambling State W 23 113 4.9 3 2 56 28.0 0 0 0  0 4 2005-10-01 Washington State @ Oregon State L 31 124 4.0 3 1 6 6.0 0 0 0  0 5 2005-10-08 Washington State  Stanford L 29 218 7.5 1 2 1 0.5 0 0 0  0 6 2005-10-15 Washington State  UCLA L 34 260 7.6 2 3 12 4.0 0 0 0  0 7 2005-10-22 Washington State @ California L 26 162 6.2 0 1 5 5.0 0 0 0  0 8 2005-10-29 Washington State @ Southern California L 21 147 7.0 1 0 0  0 0 0  0 9 2005-11-05 Washington State  Arizona State L 38 240 6.3 2 4 19 4.8 0 0 0  0 10 2005-11-12 Washington State  Oregon L 28 143 5.1 1 4 38 9.5 1 1 7 7.0 0 11 2005-11-19 Washington State @ Washington W 36 207 5.8 1 5 40 8.0 0 0 0  0  11 Games	 308 1900 6.2 16 24 206 8.6 1 1 7 7.0 0

Obviously won't line up right, but Harrison's final numbers for 2005 saw him carry it 308 times for 1,900 yards. 6.2 YPC and 16TDs. He also caught the ball 24 times for 206 yards. 2,106 yards in one college year. Did it in cold, nasty weather in November to boot. Just to compare, Heisman winner Mark Ingram had 272 carries for 1,658 yards and 17 TDs. Ingram caught 32 for 334, so that's 1,992 combined yards. Very similar. And yeah yeah yeah, spare me the Pac-10 vs. SEC noise. That counts, but it's not like Harrison did this in the WAC or Big 10. It was against real teams with many players cutting checks from the NFL (USC 2005 Defense > HI!).Again, I know this is college and cancels nothing of your question, but I watched him dominate in 2005. He's a tough dude. He can shoulder the load. I don't think he's the brightest bulb in the box, but he knows how to run and he's certainly fresh.

 

[Short Corner]

Why would you think it's "more excellent"? Why would you think it's "OK"? It's gone and he's suspended. And a potentially good thread has been ruined. That's fine for the FFA. Not for here.J

Who exactly is responsible for derailing the thread? Your involvement here has done more to that effect than anything Phil has done.

 

[Homer]

Apropos of nothing, but Hillis reminds me of Nick Goings?

 

[the_Truth]

I just can't see Harrison carrying the load by himself.

We've never seen what he can do if forced to take on thirty or more carries.

Well, not in the pros, but he did it a handful of times in his final college season at Washington State in 2005.
Rushing Receiving Kick Ret Rk Date School Opponent Att Yds Avg TD Rec Yds Avg TD Ret Yds Avg TD 1 2005-09-01 Washington State Idaho W 24 165 6.9 2 1 14 14.0 0 0 0 0 2 2005-09-09 Washington State @ Nevada W 18 121 6.7 0 1 15 15.0 0 0 0 0 3 2005-09-17 Washington State Grambling State W 23 113 4.9 3 2 56 28.0 0 0 0 0 4 2005-10-01 Washington State @ Oregon State L 31 124 4.0 3 1 6 6.0 0 0 0 0 5 2005-10-08 Washington State Stanford L 29 218 7.5 1 2 1 0.5 0 0 0 0 6 2005-10-15 Washington State UCLA L 34 260 7.6 2 3 12 4.0 0 0 0 0 7 2005-10-22 Washington State @ California L 26 162 6.2 0 1 5 5.0 0 0 0 0 8 2005-10-29 Washington State @ Southern California L 21 147 7.0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 9 2005-11-05 Washington State Arizona State L 38 240 6.3 2 4 19 4.8 0 0 0 0 10 2005-11-12 Washington State Oregon L 28 143 5.1 1 4 38 9.5 1 1 7 7.0 0 11 2005-11-19 Washington State @ Washington W 36 207 5.8 1 5 40 8.0 0 0 0 0 11 Games 308 1900 6.2 16 24 206 8.6 1 1 7 7.0 0Obviously won't line up right, but Harrison's final numbers for 2005 saw him carry it 308 times for 1,900 yards. 6.2 YPC and 16TDs. He also caught the ball 24 times for 206 yards. 2,106 yards in one college year. Did it in cold, nasty weather in November to boot. Just to compare, Heisman winner Mark Ingram had 272 carries for 1,658 yards and 17 TDs. Ingram caught 32 for 334, so that's 1,992 combined yards. Very similar. And yeah yeah yeah, spare me the Pac-10 vs. SEC noise. That counts, but it's not like Harrison did this in the WAC or Big 10. It was against real teams with many players cutting checks from the NFL (USC 2005 Defense > HI!).Again, I know this is college and cancels nothing of your question, but I watched him dominate in 2005. He's a tough dude. He can shoulder the load. I don't think he's the brightest bulb in the box, but he knows how to run and he's certainly fresh.

LOL, nice dig, very subtle.I just have to point out that though the Big11Ten has had a rough last 5 years, they were the highest rated conference in 2005(the year in question) according to Sagarin.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc05.htm

 

[Otis]

I just can't see Harrison carrying the load by himself.

We've never seen what he can do if forced to take on thirty or more carries.

Well, not in the pros, but he did it a handful of times in his final college season at Washington State in 2005.

Rushing Receiving Kick Ret Rk Date School  Opponent  Att Yds Avg TD Rec Yds Avg TD Ret Yds Avg TD  Washington State  Idaho   2005-09-09 Washington State @ Nevada   2005-09-17 Washington State  Grambling State   2005-10-01 Washington State @ Oregon State L   2005-10-08 Washington State  Stanford L   2005-10-15 Washington State  UCLA L   2005-10-22 Washington State @ California L   2005-10-29 Washington State @ Southern California L   0  Washington State  Arizona State L   2005-11-12 Washington State  Oregon L   0 11 2005-11-19 Washington State @ Washington  8.0 0 0 0  0  11 Games	   0

Obviously won't line up right, but Harrison's final numbers for 2005 saw him carry it 308 times for 1,900 yards. 6.2 YPC and 16TDs. He also caught the ball 24 times for 206 yards. 2,106 yards in one college year. Did it in cold, nasty weather in November to boot. Just to compare, Heisman winner Mark Ingram had 272 carries for 1,658 yards and 17 TDs. Ingram caught 32 for 334, so that's 1,992 combined yards. Very similar. And yeah yeah yeah, spare me the Pac-10 vs. SEC noise. That counts, but it's not like Harrison did this in the WAC or Big 10. It was against real teams with many players cutting checks from the NFL (USC 2005 Defense > HI!).Again, I know this is college and cancels nothing of your question, but I watched him dominate in 2005. He's a tough dude. He can shoulder the load. I don't think he's the brightest bulb in the box, but he knows how to run and he's certainly fresh.

GM,I was schticking. He had that many carries multiple time last year, and he put up numbers and the team either won or, in one instance, lost by a field goal. Oats

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Why would you think it's "more excellent"? Why would you think it's "OK"? It's gone and he's suspended. And a potentially good thread has been ruined. That's fine for the FFA. Not for here.J

Who exactly is responsible for derailing the thread? Your involvement here has done more to that effect than anything Phil has done.

Phil is because he keeps entering threads and acting a certain way that seems to bother regular posters. When asked politely to stop by regular posters, he just does it with more frequency. When asked to stop by the owner of the board, he does it again.What would you suggest with someone like that? I think a 1 day suspension is nothing, he was probably done for the day anyway and he'll be back already today. Yes, the name caller was also given a mini vacation.Personally I wasn't as annoyed at Phil as everyone else, but what bothered me most about the entire thing was when asked by the guy who owns this place, he felt arrogant enough to reply back like that. I think that kind of an attitude is garbage, message board or not. Some of us have been posting in the Shark Pool for a long time and that kind of lack of respect is what bothered me. I rarely visit the FA because of a lot of reasons really but I respect their rules and mannerisms when I do frequent it, I would expect the same from those guys if they want to post in here.I do think Jerome Harrison has to be undervalued in all of this. The Cleveland offensive line is actually pretty good so there is some value at the RB position in Cleveland. It does bother me that Harrison doesn't seem to have the confidence of the coaches because it was Hardesty and now Hillis getting the love but I can't ignore what I saw last year and have to think at some point people are going to wonder why they didn't pull the trigger on this guy when they had the chance.

 

[Chewbanks]

Why would you think it's "more excellent"? Why would you think it's "OK"? It's gone and he's suspended. And a potentially good thread has been ruined. That's fine for the FFA. Not for here.J

Who exactly is responsible for derailing the thread? Your involvement here has done more to that effect than anything Phil has done.

Phil is because he keeps entering threads and acting a certain way that seems to bother regular posters. When asked politely to stop by regular posters, he just does it with more frequency. When asked to stop by the owner of the board, he does it again.What would you suggest with someone like that? I think a 1 day suspension is nothing, he was probably done for the day anyway and he'll be back already today. Yes, the name caller was also given a mini vacation.Personally I wasn't as annoyed at Phil as everyone else, but what bothered me most about the entire thing was when asked by the guy who owns this place, he felt arrogant enough to reply back like that. I think that kind of an attitude is garbage, message board or not. Some of us have been posting in the Shark Pool for a long time and that kind of lack of respect is what bothered me. I rarely visit the FA because of a lot of reasons really but I respect their rules and mannerisms when I do frequent it, I would expect the same from those guys if they want to post in here.I do think Jerome Harrison has to be undervalued in all of this. The Cleveland offensive line is actually pretty good so there is some value at the RB position in Cleveland. It does bother me that Harrison doesn't seem to have the confidence of the coaches because it was Hardesty and now Hillis getting the love but I can't ignore what I saw last year and have to think at some point people are going to wonder why they didn't pull the trigger on this guy when they had the chance.

Somebody walked into the room wearing a funny hat and you lost your mind. Get a grip.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Mary Kay Cabot (Plain Dealer) mentions Hillis before Davis

With Hardesty out, Jerome Harrison will most likely get the starting nod in Tampa on Sept. 12 with Peyton Hillis also getting time. James Davis, now a virtual lock to make the team, will round out the position. Even Chris Jennings has a chance to survive today's cuts.

Hillis is ahead of Davis and will get time/touches with first-team offense vs TB, Davis was only a lock to make roster after Hardesty got hurt, he's the #3.

 

[Tango]

The pros

1.) Holmgren and Mangini sought and got Hillis. That means something.

2.) Then he played lights out all pre-season.

3.) Then injuries to other guys start happening.

The cons

1.) It's hard to measure his quality per touch metric on this new team and because of his relatively small sample size

2.) He's sort of injury prone

3.) The depth chart and roles are still murky, thus the variance around the projected touches is still wide

Bottomline:

It's hard to imagine him not getting 10+ touches per game and goalline work. That will likely lead to some September TDs. The cons mentioned above will keep his value down a little right now. He will likely have good trade value for a running-back desperate league-mate after a few injuries happen. Hillis plus something else will likely get you a legit starter or something similar if you move him then. So if he can still be had cheap, go get him. I got him for $1 out of $200 in a 16 team, 20 player dynasty last Sunday.

 

[hauser42]

Hillis right now is goint to get carries, be the goalline and 3rd down back. Depending on how deep a league go he should be someone that most teams use as depth.

One more injury and he will be the man in Cleveland. They might not be the most powerful offense, but he will have some value.

 

[Babu Bhatt2]

Mary Kay Cabot (Plain Dealer) mentions Hillis before Davis

With Hardesty out, Jerome Harrison will most likely get the starting nod in Tampa on Sept. 12 with Peyton Hillis also getting time. James Davis, now a virtual lock to make the team, will round out the position. Even Chris Jennings has a chance to survive today's cuts.

Hillis is ahead of Davis and will get time/touches with first-team offense vs TB, Davis was only a lock to make roster after Hardesty got hurt, he's the #3.

I think all three will get carries, though. Especially if Harrison struggles, I can't envision a scenario where Hillis would get carries but Davis would not. If you believe Davis has talent, which some do, you should be encouraged because it looks like he will have an opportunity.

 

[Arizona Ron]

Our ombudsman was right.

 

[Statorama]

Wow, he got banned already? Talk about a slow-moving trainwreck. That was kinda hard to watch.I can't speak for Joe, but being excellent to each other is a driving maxim, not an all-cases rule. Phil kept on with schtick that numerous posters said was annoying and asked him nicely to stop (other threads). Joe and the mods don't want to take on responsibility of diverting negative energy that someone willfully draws to themselves. Phil was intentionally being an irritant. Rather than telling hundreds not to get irritated, it's easier to remove the irritant. If Phil really was interested in being a part of this community he would have listened to the complaints of other posters and given it a rest.

Hang on a second though, if the guy brings legitimate insight why do we care what he calls himself or if he refers to himself in third person?Granted, I only read the first page so he might have gotten out of hand later, but it seems like there was a witch hunt for the dude and no one was actually reading what he had to say.That said, Hillis is a machine but I don't know if his body can handle the punishment of being a 30 carry back.Edit: looks like there was more going on here than I was originally aware of.

 

[kupcho1]

####, I didn't know Hillis was white until now, back to free agent pool he goes. This is the NFL, not Ringling Bros., James Davis is definitely the back to pick up here.

I laughed out loud. And I'm not even sure if he was serious or not.

Hillis is cheaper and a little bit unknown. Harrison will come at a steepening price and we already know what we're going to get with this guy. If he's not getting 30+ carries a game, he's not going to produce. Plus, the apparent lack of confidence from his coach makes me think he won't be around long.

And fwiw, I'm with Joe. If a guy is creating a distraction in every thread he posts in, technically legal or not, a suspension is the way to go. Joe didn't ban his IP for life. It's just a suspension. So let's all settle down and figure this CLE RB situation out before my upcoming drafts... Not that I plan on starting a player on Cleveland even as a bye week filler, but I'll take trade value wherever I can get it.

Just to be clear, you're OK with the racist post, but the 3rd person shtick is out of line.OK.

 

[Rick James]

What makes you think Hillis will be the 3rd down back? They throw it to Harrison all the time, he's not a liability in the passing game.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I just can't see Harrison carrying the load by himself.

We've never seen what he can do if forced to take on thirty or more carries.

Well, not in the pros, but he did it a handful of times in his final college season at Washington State in 2005.

Rushing Receiving Kick Ret Rk Date School  Opponent  Att Yds Avg TD Rec Yds Avg TD Ret Yds Avg TD 1 2005-09-01 Washington State  Idaho W 24 165 6.9 2 1 14 14.0 0 0 0  0 2 2005-09-09 Washington State @ Nevada W 18 121 6.7 0 1 15 15.0 0 0 0  0 3 2005-09-17 Washington State  Grambling State W 23 113 4.9 3 2 56 28.0 0 0 0  0 4 2005-10-01 Washington State @ Oregon State L 31 124 4.0 3 1 6 6.0 0 0 0  0 5 2005-10-08 Washington State  Stanford L 29 218 7.5 1 2 1 0.5 0 0 0  0 6 2005-10-15 Washington State  UCLA L 34 260 7.6 2 3 12 4.0 0 0 0  0 7 2005-10-22 Washington State @ California L 26 162 6.2 0 1 5 5.0 0 0 0  0 8 2005-10-29 Washington State @ Southern California L 21 147 7.0 1 0 0  0 0 0  0 9 2005-11-05 Washington State  Arizona State L 38 240 6.3 2 4 19 4.8 0 0 0  0 10 2005-11-12 Washington State  Oregon L 28 143 5.1 1 4 38 9.5 1 1 7 7.0 0 11 2005-11-19 Washington State @ Washington W 36 207 5.8 1 5 40 8.0 0 0 0  0 11 Games	 308 1900 6.2 16 24 206 8.6 1 1 7 7.0 0

Obviously won't line up right, but Harrison's final numbers for 2005 saw him carry it 308 times for 1,900 yards. 6.2 YPC and 16TDs. He also caught the ball 24 times for 206 yards. 2,106 yards in one college year. Did it in cold, nasty weather in November to boot. Just to compare, Heisman winner Mark Ingram had 272 carries for 1,658 yards and 17 TDs. Ingram caught 32 for 334, so that's 1,992 combined yards. Very similar. And yeah yeah yeah, spare me the Pac-10 vs. SEC noise. That counts, but it's not like Harrison did this in the WAC or Big 10. It was against real teams with many players cutting checks from the NFL (USC 2005 Defense > HI!).Again, I know this is college and cancels nothing of your question, but I watched him dominate in 2005. He's a tough dude. He can shoulder the load. I don't think he's the brightest bulb in the box, but he knows how to run and he's certainly fresh.

Please hang out in the shark pool more

 

[amnesiac]

What makes you think Hillis will be the 3rd down back? They throw it to Harrison all the time, he's not a liability in the passing game.

Hillis is lead the team in receptions in the preseason.Harrison didn't get to play most of last year because they felt he wasn't good enough in pass protection.as another note, do most of you realize that James Davis only made the team because of the injury to Hardesty?i'm not saying the guy can't be productive, just that he is not first in line.

 

[montanagold]

What a bunch of drama queens. The issue wasn't strictly Phil referring to himself in the 3rd person, it was his multiple meaningless posts which went specifically towards inciting a response and causing discord. Every thread he posted in was ruined for those of us trying to be serious. I don't come here for high school level antics. He's suspended for a day for crying out loud.

Haha... it's for sure annoyinng... but, nothing compared to the NE Patriot fans that made the shark pool unbearable... OMG... I think that single event traumatized me so badly that I've never been the same frequent visitor.

 

[Porkchop]

I thought I'd add a little signal to the noise, as a Cleveland fan.

First... the Browns will probably be bad again this year... but there's reason to think they'll be able to run the ball effectively. The left side of our line (including center) is as good as any in the league. The right side has some pass-pro questions, but they come off the ball well in the running game. And Lawrence Vickers is one of the best true fullbacks left in the league.

I don't think that either of the RBs are 'special', but if they just hit the hole quick and keep moving, either one could post a solid YPC. Harrison has the speed to be a big-play threat. Hillis looks like a really solid power back and has flashed skills in pre-season, but we really haven't seen enough of him yet to know for sure.

I would expect the Browns to be a run-oriented team this year... 25-30 running plays feels about right, assuming the offense can stay on the field. Which leads to the first big question.... can Delhomme manage the passing game well enough to keep the chains moving, and not throw another 20 picks? Again, pre-season was encouraging, but it's too early to know.

The next big question is who gets the touches? For now the pecking order is still Jerome Harrison, then Peyton Hillis. James Davis will be a non-factor barring injury. My gut right now is that it'll be a full-blown RBBC to start (maybe 60% Harrison), but that one of the backs will play his way into a more prominent role.

My second gut feeling is that Hillis has a better chance to be the 'featured' guy by end of season. He looks like a better blocker and receiver, and Mangini seems to like his power backs.

Is there fantasy value here? If one of them earns the bulk of the carries, I think a Cleveland RB could be a servicable RB2 with some upside. If you have the roster space, it wouldn't be crazy to stash either Hillis or Harrison on your bench and take another look in Week 3.

 

[amnesiac]

I thought I'd add a little signal to the noise, as a Cleveland fan.First... the Browns will probably be bad again this year... but there's reason to think they'll be able to run the ball effectively. The left side of our line (including center) is as good as any in the league. The right side has some pass-pro questions, but they come off the ball well in the running game. And Lawrence Vickers is one of the best true fullbacks left in the league.I don't think that either of the RBs are 'special', but if they just hit the hole quick and keep moving, either one could post a solid YPC. Harrison has the speed to be a big-play threat. Hillis looks like a really solid power back and has flashed skills in pre-season, but we really haven't seen enough of him yet to know for sure.I would expect the Browns to be a run-oriented team this year... 25-30 running plays feels about right, assuming the offense can stay on the field. Which leads to the first big question.... can Delhomme manage the passing game well enough to keep the chains moving, and not throw another 20 picks? Again, pre-season was encouraging, but it's too early to know.The next big question is who gets the touches? For now the pecking order is still Jerome Harrison, then Peyton Hillis. James Davis will be a non-factor barring injury. My gut right now is that it'll be a full-blown RBBC to start (maybe 60% Harrison), but that one of the backs will play his way into a more prominent role. My second gut feeling is that Hillis has a better chance to be the 'featured' guy by end of season. He looks like a better blocker and receiver, and Mangini seems to like his power backs.Is there fantasy value here? If one of them earns the bulk of the carries, I think a Cleveland RB could be a servicable RB2 with some upside. If you have the roster space, it wouldn't be crazy to stash either Hillis or Harrison on your bench and take another look in Week 3.

Floyd Womack, is that you?

 

[corpcow]

wow. so little love for Harrison. The coach seems to be willing to give him a chance and hes the frontrunner right now.

I think we all agree that Harrison is the guy to own - but as the OP pointed out, the question is whether he can hold up under a full load. I think Hillis gets a significant set of touches now, in particularly the GL and possibly even 3rd down work. (Better blocker, very good receiver). I could see this shaking out similar to the Julius Jones / Marion Barber situation a few years back, with Harrison getting the bulk of the carries between the 20s and Hillis being the finisher. I tried to grab Hillis in as many leagues as possible. In one league with some guys here, I was immediately offered Davis (being the Hardesty/Harrison owner) and passed even though the asking price was almost nothing.

 

[Casting Couch]

In one league with some guys here, I was immediately offered Davis (being the Hardesty/Harrison owner) and passed even though the asking price was almost nothing.

Mistake, imo. I think the sharks are scooping up Davis right now for next to nothing. He may provide big upside surprise. Get him.

 

[Porkchop]

In one league with some guys here, I was immediately offered Davis (being the Hardesty/Harrison owner) and passed even though the asking price was almost nothing.

Mistake, imo. I think the sharks are scooping up Davis right now for next to nothing. He may provide big upside surprise. Get him.

All aboard! James Davis just made Cleveland's roster due to injury, and his hype train is about to leave the station.Choo choo!

 

[TBIST]

I grabbed Hillis with my next to last pick, not expecting too much out of him... Would be nice if he got 10+ carries a game.

As for Phil... WTF? Seems like the inmates are running the asylum. Last time I checked there was an ignore button, if you don't like his comments use that button. Seems like if you're going to ban anyone, ban the little girls that are crying about it. Sooo immature.

 

[proninja]

:tips40:

As for Harrison or Hillis, flip a coin. Hillis is going later, I'll take him.

 

[remote controller]

I see Hillis as Mike Alstott "99". (931 total yards, 35 receptions, and 11 TD's) I actually feel his reception total will be higher,closer to 50.

 

[mphtrilogy]

Just grabbed Hillis, light bulb went off when you mentioned Alstott, I think thats a great comparison, he was a solid RB2/3 back in the day