Is it just me or does Darrell Jackson appear to be ... (1 Viewer)

[The Man with the Plan]

AntSports has him going in the late 6th round as WR 26. He was a top 5 wide receiver in PPG last season.

He's been practicing and playing in the preseason so he's healthy.

Judging by how the quarterbacks played last season I don't think the dropoff from Matt Hasselbeck/Seneca Wallace to Alex Smith is all that great. Particularly with Wallace starting at quarterback DJax still averaged over 10 fp's a game. Why can't he do the same with Alex Smith?

Darrell Jackson has question marks but I don't think that they're as bad as people make them out to be. I just look at the fact that he's a proven player (3 1000 yard seasons, 4 top 20 fantasy seasons)who's not that old (28) and plays in the NFC West (AKA Fantasy Heaven) with probably one of the easiest fantasy schedules overall. And a horrible defense as well.

In the end I think common sense has to come into play. If you can think of 25 wide receivers in the NFL better than Darrell Jackson he's not worth the effort. I honestly can't. He's going too low and I think he can be anything from a nice bargain at that price to an absolute steal.

 

[MG345]

It all depends on his healthy. Both his knee and turf toe have been a concern.

 

[Sweetness_34]

I am getting him whenever I can ..... I agree, very good value in PPR & non PPR leagues, since he gets TDs too.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

It all depends on his healthy. Both his knee and turf toe have been a concern.

I understand the concerns. Even as late as this spring there were concerns as to whether he would play or not. So far he's been practicing and he played in the preseason game against the Chargers. So far he's been healthy and that's really all I can go on. Knock on wood.

 

[CalBear]

AntSports has him going in the late 6th round as WR 26. He was a top 5 wide receiver in PPG last season. He's been practicing and playing in the preseason so he's healthy.

Seattle was #5 in passing TDs last season (the only reason Jackson did well). San Francisco was #26 in passing TDs, and #29 in passing yardage. He's getting a significant downgrade in all areas of the passing offense (QB, other receivers, offensive philosophy, and overall productivity), and he has to learn a new offense with a new QB. He's in training camp, but missed the OTAs, and I wouldn't put too much stock in one catch in a preseason game.Jackson has a lot of risk and not very much likelihood of a big payoff.

 

[Stashy]

He drops the ball a lot and he will get less targets this year. He is an injury risk. I don't think he is undervalued.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

It all depends on his healthy. Both his knee and turf toe have been a concern.

I understand the concerns. Even as late as this spring there were concerns as to whether he would play or not. So far he's been practicing and he played in the preseason game against the Chargers. So far he's been healthy and that's really all I can go on. Knock on wood.

I would love to see actual analysis on this, but there doesn't seem to be a great history of WRs switching teams....and continuing their previous productivity. That, combined with his injury history, concerns me about DJax.

 

[MG345]

It all depends on his healthy. Both his knee and turf toe have been a concern.

I understand the concerns. Even as late as this spring there were concerns as to whether he would play or not. So far he's been practicing and he played in the preseason game against the Chargers. So far he's been healthy and that's really all I can go on. Knock on wood.

This is from a Seahawks fan that has watched every single game DJax has played in his professional career. I love the guy, was sad to see him go. He has lingering injury issues, and constantly misses practice and games. Not necessarily at the beginning of the season, though. Just because he has had a few months of relatively good health, don't expect this to be the norm with Jackson. That being said, I think he does present value this year if taken as a 3rd WR. But that is just my opinion.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

AntSports has him going in the late 6th round as WR 26. He was a top 5 wide receiver in PPG last season.

He's been practicing and playing in the preseason so he's healthy.

Seattle was #5 in passing TDs last season (the only reason Jackson did well). San Francisco was #26 in passing TDs, and #29 in passing yardage. He's getting a significant downgrade in all areas of the passing offense (QB, other receivers, offensive philosophy, and overall productivity), and he has to learn a new offense with a new QB. He's in training camp, but missed the OTAs, and I wouldn't put too much stock in one catch in a preseason game.Jackson has a lot of risk and not very much likelihood of a big payoff.

Don't you think that having a Darrell Jackson would help that ranking go up? The 49ers leading wide receiver last season was Antonio Bryant. Doesn't that say it all right there? DJax is a major upgrade for the Niners in the wide receiver position.I don't think that the downgrades are as significant as you make it out to be. Seattle was a middle of the road offense (14th scoring, 18th yardage last season. The quarterbacks weren't too great either. Matt Hasselbeck and Seneca Wallace both had quarterback ratings of 76.0 and 76.2. Alex Smith wasn't that far off from those two with a 74.8 qb rating. Even with mediocre quarterback play Darrell Jackson was still able to be one of the top receivers last season.

He missed offseason workouts but he's practicing in training camp right now. That's what matters right now. He's healthy and practicing. I'm not sure what can you ask for at this point. It could be a lot worse.

I'm not saying that he has to be a stud. If he has 1100 yards and 6 touchdowns that's fine with me from where he's being drafted. If he's healthy I don't see any way that he's worse than 26th at wide receiver and I think he has a chance to be a whole lot better.

 

[MG345]

I'm not saying that he has to be a stud. If he has 1100 yards and 6 touchdowns that's fine with me from where he's being drafted. If he's healthy I don't see any way that he's worse than 26th at wide receiver and I think he has a chance to be a whole lot better.

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year  TM |   G |   Att  Yards	Y/A   TD |   Rec  Yards   Y/R   TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 2000 sea |  16 |	 1	 -1   -1.0	0 |	53	713  13.5	6 || 2001 sea |  16 |	 1	  9	9.0	0 |	70   1081  15.4	8 || 2002 sea |  13 |	 3	  3	1.0	0 |	62	877  14.1	4 || 2003 sea |  16 |	 0	  0	0.0	0 |	68   1137  16.7	9 || 2004 sea |  16 |	 0	  0	0.0	0 |	87   1199  13.8	7 || 2005 sea |   6 |	 1	  7	7.0	0 |	38	482  12.7	3 || 2006 sea |  13 |	 0	  0	0.0	0 |	63	956  15.2   10 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+|  TOTAL   |  96 |	 6	 18	3.0	0 |   441   6445  14.6   47 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

6 TDs I can see, I don't see over 1000 yards though.

 

[gianmarco]

That's three 1000 yd seasons out of 7. And he had 877 and 956 in 2002 and 2006 while only playing 13 games. 3 more games, and that's 2 more 1000 yd seasons. I'll take 5 out of 7 seasons over 1000 yds as proof the guy can hit the mark again.

 

[MG345]

That's three 1000 yd seasons out of 7. And he had 877 and 956 in 2002 and 2006 while only playing 13 games. 3 more games, and that's 2 more 1000 yd seasons. I'll take 5 out of 7 seasons over 1000 yds as proof the guy can hit the mark again.

I think he would have a pretty good shot to make 1000 yards, if he played all 16, I agree with you there. The problem is I don't see him playing all 16 games. But again, just conjecture.

 

[Family Matters]

Jackson is always exellent value. Health risk is something you have to take as well but if he plays 16 games then he's gold for 1000+ and 6+.

 

[gianmarco]

That's three 1000 yd seasons out of 7. And he had 877 and 956 in 2002 and 2006 while only playing 13 games. 3 more games, and that's 2 more 1000 yd seasons. I'll take 5 out of 7 seasons over 1000 yds as proof the guy can hit the mark again.

I think he would have a pretty good shot to make 1000 yards, if he played all 16, I agree with you there. The problem is I don't see him playing all 16 games. But again, just conjecture.

That's been a risk with him every year. But the one thing is, his ppg is pretty good when he is on the field, so when you couple him with another WR to fill-in when's injured, it's still as good if not better than WR's going ahead of him. On top of that, seeing him during that 1st preseason game was VERY reassuring.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

It all depends on his healthy. Both his knee and turf toe have been a concern.

I understand the concerns. Even as late as this spring there were concerns as to whether he would play or not. So far he's been practicing and he played in the preseason game against the Chargers. So far he's been healthy and that's really all I can go on. Knock on wood.

I would love to see actual analysis on this, but there doesn't seem to be a great history of WRs switching teams....and continuing their previous productivity. That, combined with his injury history, concerns me about DJax.

Just look at last season. Javon Walker and Terrell Owens both switched teams and were top-10 wide receivers. Now I know you're going to say that they're better players. Fine. Those were two examples. I could think of a couple others.Laveranues Coles

2002 Jets ranked #13

2003 Redskins ranked #13

Jerry Rice

2000 49ers 25

2001 Raiders 10

Plaxico Burress

2004 Steelers 43

2005 Giants 11

Santana Moss

2004 Jets 33

2005 Redskins 3

Terrell Owens

2003 49ers 12

2004 Eagles 4

Irving Fryar

1995 Dolphins 21

1996 Eagles 5

Joe Horn

1999 Chiefs 49

2000 Saints 9

I won't deny it goes the other way too. I don't think that it's a concrete rule one way or the other. You have to look at each situation separately. Wide receivers can go up or down by changing teams. I don't think that the Niners are all that bad compared to the Seahawks.

At worst I know that Alex Smith and Frank Gore are better than Seneca Wallace and Maurice Morris players with which Darrell Jackson was still a productive player. Darrell Jackson had a thousand yard season with Trent Dilfer as his quarterback. That's skill right there. Alex Smith at qb is not a problem to me especially considering where DJax is being drafted.

 

[MG345]

That's three 1000 yd seasons out of 7. And he had 877 and 956 in 2002 and 2006 while only playing 13 games. 3 more games, and that's 2 more 1000 yd seasons. I'll take 5 out of 7 seasons over 1000 yds as proof the guy can hit the mark again.

I think he would have a pretty good shot to make 1000 yards, if he played all 16, I agree with you there. The problem is I don't see him playing all 16 games. But again, just conjecture.

That's been a risk with him every year. But the one thing is, his ppg is pretty good when he is on the field, so when you couple him with another WR to fill-in when's injured, it's still as good if not better than WR's going ahead of him. On top of that, seeing him during that 1st preseason game was VERY reassuring.

It has been a known risk with him I would say over the past four years (since his concussion), and two of the four he missed games.But also significant in my opinion, is how many practices he missed. It might have been easier to make up for lost practice time in an offense he knew, with a QB he was comfortable with; I don't know if that holds true this year in SF.

 

[David Yudkin]

I actually think Jackson may be slightly over valued . . .

As already pointed out, SF passing game not as good as SEA. Smith not as good a QB as Hasselbeck. SF won't score as many points as SEA. D-Jax being banged up has limited his ability to get on the field and gel with the team and a new QB. Missed 13 games the past two years and still not healthy. Having to learn a new offense for the first time.

Add it all up and I am not coming to the same conclusion as many others are.

 

[MG345]

I actually think Jackson may be slightly over valued . . .As already pointed out, SF passing game not as good as SEA. Smith not as good a QB as Hasselbeck. SF won't score as many points as SEA. D-Jax being banged up has limited his ability to get on the field and gel with the team and a new QB. Missed 13 games the past two years and still not healthy. Having to learn a new offense for the first time.Add it all up and I am not coming to the same conclusion as many others are.

 

[Family Matters]

I actually think Jackson may be slightly over valued . . .As already pointed out, SF passing game not as good as SEA. Smith not as good a QB as Hasselbeck. SF won't score as many points as SEA. D-Jax being banged up has limited his ability to get on the field and gel with the team and a new QB. Missed 13 games the past two years and still not healthy. Having to learn a new offense for the first time.Add it all up and I am not coming to the same conclusion as many others are.

I am assuming that Smith will get better. Jackson is a huge upgrade at WR. The natural progression of the QB, running game, the TE and now WR leaves me thinking they will get better. Besides Davis, who else does Jackson have to compete with for touches when they throw? Jackson and Davis will be the main options. As opposed to Seattle where they had several options.

 

[grind]

All I ask is how many top end WR's that switch teams actually produce at the same level as they did with the team they left the first year with the new team? Not many and for anyone you list, I can probably come up with five that busted.

 

[FFFIEND]

Well, I will let you have DJAX. I just think the dude is going to get injured. Now, I will take him if he falls far enough, but thaknfully for me I like him WAY below his ADP.

 

[moleculo]

I actually think Jackson may be slightly over valued . . .As already pointed out, SF passing game not as good as SEA. Smith not as good a QB as Hasselbeck. SF won't score as many points as SEA. D-Jax being banged up has limited his ability to get on the field and gel with the team and a new QB. Missed 13 games the past two years and still not healthy. Having to learn a new offense for the first time.Add it all up and I am not coming to the same conclusion as many others are.

I don't think we really know what kind of team SF will be. They improved significantly in 2006 vs 2005 as a team, Alex Smith made great strides, VDavis won't be a rookie, Gore has a solid year under his belt...Historically, Sea is better than SF. Moving forward, I am not so sure that will be the case.I'm also not convinced that Smith isn't as good as Hasslebeck. He's less experienced for sure; but all that means is we don't know how good he can be.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

All I ask is how many top end WR's that switch teams actually produce at the same level as they did with the team they left the first year with the new team? Not many and for anyone you list, I can probably come up with five that busted.

I already listed 9 cases of good wide receivers who changed teams and still played well. If you can find 45 busts that would be quite the interesting sight. If you want to say that Darrell Jackson will bust (or at least as much as a 6th round pick can) because he's going to a bad team fine. But because he's going to a different team? Come on. I thought this myth of wide receivers changing teams having to play poorly was busted a long time ago. I guess old habits die hard.

 

[David Yudkin]

I actually think Jackson may be slightly over valued . . .As already pointed out, SF passing game not as good as SEA. Smith not as good a QB as Hasselbeck. SF won't score as many points as SEA. D-Jax being banged up has limited his ability to get on the field and gel with the team and a new QB. Missed 13 games the past two years and still not healthy. Having to learn a new offense for the first time.Add it all up and I am not coming to the same conclusion as many others are.

I don't think we really know what kind of team SF will be. They improved significantly in 2006 vs 2005 as a team, Alex Smith made great strides, VDavis won't be a rookie, Gore has a solid year under his belt...Historically, Sea is better than SF. Moving forward, I am not so sure that will be the case.I'm also not convinced that Smith isn't as good as Hasslebeck. He's less experienced for sure; but all that means is we don't know how good he can be.

My view was based on 2007 not beyond.

 

[amphibianbri]

Alex Smith is getting there but he's not up to Hasselback's level yet. Being young, I think Smith turns to what he knows, which will be Vernon Davis, who will the #1 WR on that team even as a TE. Gore pass catches a lot more than Alexander, and has been mentioned a ton of times in this topic, Jackson just doesn't stay healthy. Nice WR if you look for 900 and 5-6 TD, he's your guy.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

I actually think Jackson may be slightly over valued . . .

As already pointed out, SF passing game not as good as SEA. Smith not as good a QB as Hasselbeck. SF won't score as many points as SEA. D-Jax being banged up has limited his ability to get on the field and gel with the team and a new QB. Missed 13 games the past two years and still not healthy. Having to learn a new offense for the first time.

Add it all up and I am not coming to the same conclusion as many others are.

I don't think we really know what kind of team SF will be. They improved significantly in 2006 vs 2005 as a team, Alex Smith made great strides, VDavis won't be a rookie, Gore has a solid year under his belt...Historically, Sea is better than SF. Moving forward, I am not so sure that will be the case.

I'm also not convinced that Smith isn't as good as Hasslebeck. He's less experienced for sure; but all that means is we don't know how good he can be.

If Alex Smith played like Hasselbeck that would be amazing. Hasselbeck didn't have his best season but he's still a very good quarterback. I don't think he has to play that well for DJax to be a good draft pick. He just has to be better than Seneca Wallace. That shouldn't be too hard. With Wallace, Jackson averaged over 10 fantasy points a game. I don't think it's that much of a stretch for him to do it with Alex Smith at QB.The Seahawks were a mediocre team last season. The 49ers weren't that far behind them. The Niners went 7-9 and the Seahawks went 9-7. No huge difference there. When they played each other the 49ers won both times. I think people might be overrating Seattle just a little bit.

 

[David Yudkin]

All I ask is how many top end WR's that switch teams actually produce at the same level as they did with the team they left the first year with the new team? Not many and for anyone you list, I can probably come up with five that busted.

I already listed 9 cases of good wide receivers who changed teams and still played well. If you can find 45 busts that would be quite the interesting sight. If you want to say that Darrell Jackson will bust (or at least as much as a 6th round pick can) because he's going to a bad team fine. But because he's going to a different team? Come on. I thought this myth of wide receivers changing teams having to play poorly was busted a long time ago. I guess old habits die hard.

I could find 45 busts easy. I could also poke holes in some of the guys you listed, as some went from role players to starters on their new team and I believe some of them were hurt the last year before moving to their new team so they did better by playing more.That being said, IMO it's impossible to tell as there are a lot of variables that are hard to sort out. Were the offensive schemes similar? Was either team a running team over a passing team? Was the talent on the two teams and QBs comparible? Did the WR go from a WR1 role to a WR2 role or vice versa? I think you get the point . . .

 

[David Yudkin]

The Niners went 7-9 and the Seahawks went 9-7. No huge difference there. When they played each other the 49ers won both times. I think people might be overrating Seattle just a little bit.

Who cares what the teams' records were? The SEA offense suffered with Hass and SA out or IMO this would not be remotely a close comparison. As it was, SEA had 10 more passing TD than SF did and that was Hass missing 5 games.

 

[moleculo]

The Niners went 7-9 and the Seahawks went 9-7. No huge difference there. When they played each other the 49ers won both times. I think people might be overrating Seattle just a little bit.

Who cares what the teams' records were? The SEA offense suffered with Hass and SA out or IMO this would not be remotely a close comparison. As it was, SEA had 10 more passing TD than SF did and that was Hass missing 5 games.

2 things. 1. you are ok with saying "if Hasslebeck didn't get hurt, Seattle would have done much better", but not OK with saying "if Darrell Jackson didn't get hurt, he would have done much better?" How can you hold injuries against DJ but not the Seahawks in general?2. Seattle scored 10 more passing TD's than SF. By coincidence, the man who scored those 10 TD's just switched teams. In 2006, Seattle was a WR target-rich environment, whereas SF was not. DJ evens that difference out a bit, no?

 

[-OZ-]

Yes, he is. I picked him off waivers recently. I won't be drafting him high, but he's certainly a good mid-late round sleeper.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

Yes, he is. I picked him off waivers recently. I won't be drafting him high, but he's certainly a good mid-late round sleeper.

That says it in a nutshell. I'm not saying draft him as your number 1 WR or even as your number 2. Later in the draft if he's around just think about how good of player that you could be getting for a low price. A 4-time top 20 wide receiver who was top 5 in ppg last season available as a mid-late round sleeper. Will wonders never cease.

 

[JMJ]

Incredibly.

Deion Branch also.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Darrell Jackson has been in the league since 2000, let's have a look.

2000: As a rookie...wait a minute, rookies have to learn a whole new system when they come into the league, no? That has to be harder than when say they have been in the league 6 or 7 years and learn a new playbook with a new team, yes? Some similarity at the least. DJax hauled in 53 catches for 713 yds and 6 TD to boot as a rookie...better than at least 75% of the rookies that come into this league. And his QB was Jon Kitna and Brock Huard that year.

2001: 70 receptions for 1,081 and 8 TDs...mix if Trent Dilfer and Hasselbeck at QB that year.

2002: 62/877/4...only played 13 games that season so consider he played about 10 good ones likely.

2003: 68/1137/9...didn't miss a game either.

2004: 87/1199/7...played all 16 games

2005: Battled a lot of injuries

2006: Even with some injuries he posted 63/956/10...one of only 3 WR to post double digit TD last season. And with the injuries the past 2 seasons DJAX has still avg North of 16 PPG in PPR leagues...how many WR can you say that about?

Those that think he is headed for 50/750/5 if he is healthy are just not paying attention to his history. He is a major upgrade from Antonio Bryant and Alex Smith is going to love watching DJax open up parts of the field for him.

 

[switz]

This year?

DJax is undervalued almost every year.

 

[Fireman Ed]

I got him at 9.01 in my most recent draft. He seems to be undervalued and while I am not sure I would want him as my WR2, he is great as a WR3.

 

[(HULK)]

AntSports has him going in the late 6th round as WR 26. He was a top 5 wide receiver in PPG last season. He's been practicing and playing in the preseason so he's healthy.

Seattle was #5 in passing TDs last season (the only reason Jackson did well). San Francisco was #26 in passing TDs, and #29 in passing yardage. He's getting a significant downgrade in all areas of the passing offense (QB, other receivers, offensive philosophy, and overall productivity), and he has to learn a new offense with a new QB. He's in training camp, but missed the OTAs, and I wouldn't put too much stock in one catch in a preseason game.Jackson has a lot of risk and not very much likelihood of a big payoff.

Does it occur to you that perhaps San Fran's passing game lacked so much last season because it had no credible WRs?Don't make the mistake of expecting the past to repeat itself. DJax is top 10 this season if he stays healthy.

 

[Pipes]

He drops the ball a lot and he will get less targets this year. He is an injury risk. I don't think he is undervalued.

While he's a nice WR I think he's more of a product of the system.

 

[moleculo]

Incredibly.

Deion Branch also.

 

[CalBear]

Does it occur to you that perhaps San Fran's passing game lacked so much last season because it had no credible WRs?Don't make the mistake of expecting the past to repeat itself. DJax is top 10 this season if he stays healthy.

Antonio Bryant is more credible as a WR than Alex Smith is as a QB. Bryant had a 1000-yard season in Cleveland with Dilfer and Frye throwing the ball.

 

[Nate]

The fact that SEA lets him go to a divisional rival for very little worries me. I'll gladly take him as my WR3 though if he falls.

 

[(HULK)]

Does it occur to you that perhaps San Fran's passing game lacked so much last season because it had no credible WRs?Don't make the mistake of expecting the past to repeat itself. DJax is top 10 this season if he stays healthy.

Antonio Bryant is more credible as a WR than Alex Smith is as a QB. Bryant had a 1000-yard season in Cleveland with Dilfer and Frye throwing the ball.

The same Antonio Bryant who couldn't hack it as the #3 WR in Dallas?

 

[1huskerfan]

Does it occur to you that perhaps San Fran's passing game lacked so much last season because it had no credible WRs?Don't make the mistake of expecting the past to repeat itself. DJax is top 10 this season if he stays healthy.

Antonio Bryant is more credible as a WR than Alex Smith is as a QB. Bryant had a 1000-yard season in Cleveland with Dilfer and Frye throwing the ball.

Smith improved greatly in his first year as a full time starter. At 23 years old he is far from peaking.

 

[nygiants56]

He drops the ball a lot and he will get less targets this year. He is an injury risk. I don't think he is undervalued.

 

[Big Score]

Does it occur to you that perhaps San Fran's passing game lacked so much last season because it had no credible WRs?

Don't make the mistake of expecting the past to repeat itself. DJax is top 10 this season if he stays healthy.

Antonio Bryant is more credible as a WR than Alex Smith is as a QB. Bryant had a 1000-yard season in Cleveland with Dilfer and Frye throwing the ball.

The same Antonio Bryant who couldn't hack it as the #3 WR in Dallas?

I think Bryant being traded away from the Cowboys, had far more to do with Parcells proving a point to the rest of the team (I don't care how high a draft pick you are, mess with me & you're GONE), than Bryant not being able to hack it as the Cowboys #3 WR.