Is KC a train wreck waiting to happen? (1 Viewer)

[Hairy Snowman]

Sometimes you just get that feeling that there are dark clouds gathering around a particuliar team.

The loss of personel from KC continues to happen as they lose Shields and Green this year, amongst others. The O-Line is a mess, Big questions about the QB position, the WRs are not above average, and no RB has ever had a "good" year following 400+ carries. In fact most have been injured the following year. The defense performed better under Edwards last year, but they are still only a year removed from a fairly horrible year.

Even with a strong draft (which really hasn't happened for a few years for this team) it seems to me this team is in deep doo doo.

IMO this may be the worst team in the NFL this year - and they are being predicted 8-10 wins all over the place.

Is anyone else's spidey sense tingling with this team?

PS I know the KC homers are going to chime in for their team, but you all usually drink the kool-aid (As any good fan would). If you really think they are going to excel, just please explain where and why they are going to improve.

 

[gman8343]

IMO this may be the worst team in the NFL this year - and they are being predicted 8-10 wins all over the place.

They probably won't be the worst team in their division (see: Al Davis). You do have some points, however.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

IMO this may be the worst team in the NFL this year - and they are being predicted 8-10 wins all over the place.

They probably won't be the worst team in their division (see: Al Davis). You do have some points, however.

I thought the Raiders improved alot last year and should again have a strong draft class based on their seeding. Plus they have improved their coaching staff tremendously from last year. No more techmo offense. IMO The Raiders should pass up KC this year.

 

[-OZ-]

IMO this may be the worst team in the NFL this year - and they are being predicted 8-10 wins all over the place.

They probably won't be the worst team in their division (see: Al Davis). You do have some points, however.

I thought the Raiders improved alot last year and should again have a strong draft class based on their seeding. Plus they have improved their coaching staff tremendously from last year. No more techmo offense. IMO The Raiders should pass up KC this year.

Like gman said, you raise some strong points, but I don't see a defense with those players on the outside being horrible. Donnie Edwards won't allow it. Donnie, DJ, Hali, and Allen make the outside among the best in the league. The inside is horrible, so they'll be susceptible to the power running attack. Now the offense.... unless Croyle or Huard can pick it up quick, is going to be bad. Pretty much the opposite of previous years.

8-8 seems about right to me, but the playoffs seem just out of reach.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

IMO this may be the worst team in the NFL this year - and they are being predicted 8-10 wins all over the place.

They probably won't be the worst team in their division (see: Al Davis). You do have some points, however.

I thought the Raiders improved alot last year and should again have a strong draft class based on their seeding. Plus they have improved their coaching staff tremendously from last year. No more techmo offense. IMO The Raiders should pass up KC this year.

Like gman said, you raise some strong points, but I don't see a defense with those players on the outside being horrible. Donnie Edwards won't allow it. Donnie, DJ, Hali, and Allen make the outside among the best in the league. The inside is horrible, so they'll be susceptible to the power running attack. Now the offense.... unless Croyle or Huard can pick it up quick, is going to be bad. Pretty much the opposite of previous years.

8-8 seems about right to me, but the playoffs seem just out of reach.

Can't stop the run and can't pass to get back into games when they fall behind.............this doesn't seem like a recipe for disaster to you? Personally, sounds alot like Oakland for the past few years (including the whole O-line issues).IMO a team needs to average 20 points a game to have a winning record (and that is with a GOOD, not GREAT defense). I will be surprised if this team averages over 14 points a game. With a gaping whole in the middle of the D (and I'm not sold on the outsides yet either, but lets just stick with the middle) in a division sporting LT(2x), L Jordan/Rhodes(2x) and Denver's rushing attack(2x) (which seems to perform perenially). Then throw in the offensive attacks of the Colts, Bengals, Bears, Jaguars, Vikings and Packers.

Not to mention the Detroit and the Jets appear to be improved this year.

I will be amazed if this team breaks even. 4-12 seems much more likely to me.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Im still wondering how they made the playoffs last year.

 

[massraider]

Donnie Edwards won't allow it. Donnie, DJ, Hali, and Allen make the outside among the best in the league.

Nothing on that D is "among the best in the league."

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

lol

 

[Beaumont]

We will be ok. But middle of the pack I think ...

KC needs to spend its picks in the trenches IMHO

 

[Snotbubbles]

Trent Green didn't exactly light it up last year, in fact from what I saw from him he look down-right awful at times.

I don't really think that Huard is that much of a downgrade, 11 TDs vs. 1 INT and a 5-3 record when Green was out. He now has the off-season, mini-camps and training camp to get a good portion of the reps in practice. He should do an adequate enough job to win games.

Replacing Shields is the bigger problem, but not a problem that KC can't overcome.

 

[bcr8f]

Worse than the Raiders?

Too long a losing culture for that to happen.

Pollard may have a nice time in that defense unless they improve up the middle.

 

[Warpig]

We will be ok. But middle of the pack I think ...KC needs to spend its picks in the trenches IMHO

They actually had a solid draft last year for the first time in what...18 years? (Carl's tenure). You gotta figure they got Hali, Croyle, Page, Tre Stallings, Pollard, Maxey, and Jeff Webb. Hali has already shown he's a player and they have their future playmaking safeties in Pollard and Page. Jeff Webb has been compared to Muhsin Muhammed and just needs to get some reps. We're still waiting to see what Croyle has to offer. Maxey is on someone's practice squad I believe and I'm not sure about this Stallings guy. I expect that defense to be greatly improved with their solid additions. They just need to get a solid run-stuffer on the D-line to free up their linebackers to make plays. The offense is my main concern. Like you said, the entire unit will be shuffled. If they don't draft a OT it could get pretty ugly. Huard looked good last year, but let's see how good he is after teams have had an off-season to gameplan against him. They desperately need an infusion of youth and play-makers on the offense or it could be very ugly this year. I'm on record as having them going 7-9 (8-8 at best). No way do I see 10 wins on their schedule.

 

[massraider]

The Raiders appear to be significantly worse, I don't think KC has their kinds of problems.

But:

The QB situation is a mystery. I think Huard is better for 2007, but think they might want to give Croyle the ball, and see what he can do.

LJ just had 400 carries, and now wants a new deal. Sooner or later, this guy is out of here. Just a guess.

Sheilds retired, probably to be replaced by Welbourn. Not a bad replacement.

Weigmann is probably entering his last year.

They haven't replaced Roaf.

They replaced Kawika with Nap Harris. This is not a major upgrade. And they are locked in to Harris for at least 2-3 years.

Jared Allen is in danger of getting suspended, alcohol problems.

He also doesn't like his deal.

They either have old players on the way out, or young studs with problems.

 

[Beaumont]

We will be ok. But middle of the pack I think ...KC needs to spend its picks in the trenches IMHO

They actually had a solid draft last year for the first time in what...18 years? (Carl's tenure). You gotta figure they got Hali, Croyle, Page, Tre Stallings, Pollard, Maxey, and Jeff Webb. Hali has already shown he's a player and they have their future playmaking safeties in Pollard and Page. Jeff Webb has been compared to Muhsin Muhammed and just needs to get some reps. We're still waiting to see what Croyle has to offer. Maxey is on someone's practice squad I believe and I'm not sure about this Stallings guy. I expect that defense to be greatly improved with their solid additions. They just need to get a solid run-stuffer on the D-line to free up their linebackers to make plays. The offense is my main concern. Like you said, the entire unit will be shuffled. If they don't draft a OT it could get pretty ugly. Huard looked good last year, but let's see how good he is after teams have had an off-season to gameplan against him. They desperately need an infusion of youth and play-makers on the offense or it could be very ugly this year. I'm on record as having them going 7-9 (8-8 at best). No way do I see 10 wins on their schedule.

Maxey had a cup of coffee on Chi's practice squad but is back with the Chiefs ...

 

[wickster33]

So if their only comparison is Oakland, does that make them a 2-14 team? definitely a time to get what you can for LJ before the wheels come completely off!

 

[nygiants56]

Trent Green didn't exactly light it up last year, in fact from what I saw from him he look down-right awful at times. I don't really think that Huard is that much of a downgrade, 11 TDs vs. 1 INT and a 5-3 record when Green was out. He now has the off-season, mini-camps and training camp to get a good portion of the reps in practice. He should do an adequate enough job to win games.Replacing Shields is the bigger problem, but not a problem that KC can't overcome.

Huard is a sleeper in 2007, he completed over 60% of his passes last season,the dude was on fire..when green came back,the offense looked WORSE. they most certainly will be drafting a few linemen, not to mention they might try to trade up to get Joe Staley, OT, C. Mich. they've been dangling Dante Hall as trade bait recently..

 

[Routilla]

LOL. With all of the changes they had before LAST season they still made the playoffs and LJ still produced stellar numbers. I thought Green was a liability after his concussion so I see the QB situation as being upgraded. The OL is a concern just as it was last year(looks like LJ did pretty well despite) and the DEF isn't that bad. Untill KC really takes a step back I just don't see any reason to bail out. They have one of the top RBs in the league and that gives them a running game. All they have to be able to do is hit a few play action passes and they are an offensive threat. With Gonzo at TE and coming off a very good season, I think it's a lot like last year. KC needs a WR threat. Will they draft/develop one this year? It remains to be seen, but there are many other teams that I wonder about more than KC.

 

[jgb95]

-- Chiefs OL in Transition; Wiegmann Not Retiring --

Tue Apr 17, 2007 --from FFMastermind.com

The Kansas City Star reports as recently as two seasons ago, the 31 other teams were envious of the Chiefs and their offensive line. The Chiefs possessed a rarity: three linemen so skilled that each was selected to the Pro Bowl. Two of those players are gone now that ORG Will Shields has joined OLT Willie Roaf in retirement. Only OLG Brian Waters remains. What once was a strength is now at best an area of uncertainty. The Chiefs patched the thing together, but for now at least they are more hopeful than sure their line will hold up. “We’ve already made preparations for this by acquiring some talented veterans as well as younger offensive linemen,” Chiefs GM Carl Peterson said. “There are veteran players here that can play (right guard). I would say without question nobody’s going to fill those shoes. Nobody’s going to be quite as good as Will Shields.” The Chiefs had privately been fretting that C Casey Wiegmann may also walk away. But Wiegmann has been participating in the offseason workout program, and his agent, Joe Linta, indicated Wiegmann would play this season. “He’s not retiring, no,” Linta said. “He’s all set to play. He wants to play three or four more years.” The Chiefs will probably open their season Sept. 9 at Houston with a line featuring Waters, Wiegmann and new starters at the three other positions. Free-agent addition OT Damion McIntosh is the left tackle, OT Chris Terry will get the first shot at right tackle, and OG John Welbourn is likely to play in Shields’ spot at right guard. McIntosh was the Chiefs’ priority in free-agency. They whisked him from Miami in the opening moments of free-agency and had him under contract shortly after he arrived. Terry has been a starting right tackle for Carolina and Seattle. Welbourn was mostly a guard for Philadelphia before joining the Chiefs three years ago. He has played mostly tackle since coming to Kansas City. The Chiefs long believed guard was Welbourn’s best position, but they had no room for him there until now.

 

[Banger]

I don't think it will be as bad as a train wreck but a 6-10/7-9 season is likely. Drafting OL is nice but who knows how good they will be or how much they will be able to contribute.

LJ's ypc will probably go down slightly to the 4.1 region and will probably get fewer carries and TD opportunities but at the end of the day he is the horse that will make this offense go (however good or bad). I'd guess about 380 carries for 1550-14 tds and 40-350-1 for about 280 pts which s/b good for about the 4-6 RB.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

First, pointing to Hoard as an upgrade to Green is funny and distorted to me.

Hoard's passing attempts were significantly less than the vast majority of the league last year because he had the protection of LJ carrying the ball 400+ times (Teams gameplanned LJ). IMO That played a big role in the Time of Possession being in KCs favor all year (Why IMO they won so many games) and kept the defense (which had even more significant questions entering last year) fresh and off the field. It also helped skew Hoard completion % and win % IMO. IMO That same scenario won't happen again this year.

LJ WILL NOT HIT 400 ATTS. THIS YEAR. No way, no how. And I doubt Bennet's ability to help much in a relief role. No matter how you cut it up, that means the other teams offense will run more plays against that defense (unless KC can pass better, which I don't think that O line is going to give them the time to ).

IMO The more offensive plays run against = more actual time defense is on the field.

The more actual time defense is on the field = the more defensive players get tired, especially as the year presses on.

The more and faster players get tired on defense = the greater risk there is for injuries on defense.

And IMO the more injuries there are to a defense = the more an offense will be forced to press the pass.

And, I have already stated, I don't think this team will be able to pass.

Then I look at the schedule.........

Unless the defense wins games for them by scoring ................

Im not saying the defense is without any playmakers, but they have gaping holes. IMO That defense is not going to dominate games (ala the Bears) to protect that offense. That defense has shown over the past 3 years that it needs it the other way around ~ it needs to be protected. KC has already made moves to shore up the D line (Boone, Wilkerson, etc ), but I still am not overly optimistic that will be enough.

Obviously there is a long way to go until training camp, and alot can happen, but right now I smell something there. Like a giant Red and White dookie.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

 

[QuizGuy66]

All those smileys and this one's missing from this thread?!?

 

[FavreCo]

Herminator is taking them south as predicted. First he destory the passing game and then he works on destroying the running game. His best line is 'I like to keep it close and try and win it in the 4th quarter.' Actual Herminator statement. Sure beats pummelling the other team and coasting in the 4th Q.

 

[AnonymousBob]

What's so funny? I have my doubts this will be the worst team in the league but he does make several valid points.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

What's so funny? I have my doubts this will be the worst team in the league but he does make several valid points.

his delivery. especially the white & red pile

 

[Warpig]

Herminator is taking them south as predicted. First he destory the passing game and then he works on destroying the running game. His best line is 'I like to keep it close and try and win it in the 4th quarter.' Actual Herminator statement. Sure beats pummelling the other team and coasting in the 4th Q.

at all the Herman haters.The Chiefs had their best draft in 18 years under Herm's watch. He's turning around the defense. The offense was falling apart when he took it over. Why do you think Vermeil left?!?! Vermeil knew after his last year that offense was gonna be in shambles.I think Herm is the kind of coach that mid-western team needed. Firm yet fair. I think he has the respect of the players and those players will play harder not to let Herm down. They squeaked into the playoffs under him for the first time in about 10 years right? I think Herm is a great motivator.The Chiefs will probably suffer a downhill slide this year but it won't be because of Herm. He'll try to have another solid draft class and with next years FA period, I expect them to be reasonable contenders for the West in 2008.And I'm not even a Chiefs fan!

 

[massraider]

When did Herman start running the front office?

 

[Snotbubbles]

Hoard's passing attempts were significantly less than the vast majority of the league last year because he had the protection of LJ carrying the ball 400+ times (Teams gameplanned LJ). IMO That played a big role in the Time of Possession being in KCs favor all year (Why IMO they won so many games) and kept the defense (which had even more significant questions entering last year) fresh and off the field. It also helped skew Hoard completion % and win % IMO. IMO That same scenario won't happen again this year.

Huard averaged 27.65 pass attempts per game. Trent Green averaged 26.14 pass attempts per game (I didn't even include the first game or it would be lower). Also, not counting the first game when Green and Huard both played:LJ carries per game (with Green): 28.4LJ carries per game (with Huard): 25.0

 

[Hairy Snowman]

Hoard's passing attempts were significantly less than the vast majority of the league last year because he had the protection of LJ carrying the ball 400+ times (Teams gameplanned LJ). IMO That played a big role in the Time of Possession being in KCs favor all year (Why IMO they won so many games) and kept the defense (which had even more significant questions entering last year) fresh and off the field. It also helped skew Hoard completion % and win % IMO. IMO That same scenario won't happen again this year.

Huard averaged 27.65 pass attempts per game. Trent Green averaged 26.14 pass attempts per game (I didn't even include the first game or it would be lower). Also, not counting the first game when Green and Huard both played:LJ carries per game (with Green): 28.4LJ carries per game (with Huard): 25.0

Think you just proved my point.Which teams/QB had less pass atts per game? I would be surprised if more than 3 teams had players with less pass atts. per game.

 

[zamboni]

I don't think they'll be that bad, but we Jets fans will enjoy watching the ride if they do fall flat.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Think you just proved my point.Which teams/QB had less pass atts per game? I would be surprised if more than 3 teams had players with less pass atts. per game.

JAX, TEN, BUF, SF, ATL all had less passing attempts than KC.Also, DEN only attempted 4 more passes. And SD attempted 16 more passes.Plus I didn't take your post to mean that your point wasn't that KC didn't pass much, it was that Huard isn't an upgrade to Green.You said:

First, pointing to Hoard as an upgrade to Green is funny and distorted to me.

And then used this to further the above:

Hoard's passing attempts were significantly less than the vast majority of the league last year because he had the protection of LJ carrying the ball 400+ times (Teams gameplanned LJ). IMO That played a big role in the Time of Possession being in KCs favor all year (Why IMO they won so many games) and kept the defense (which had even more significant questions entering last year) fresh and off the field. It also helped skew Hoard completion % and win % IMO. IMO That same scenario won't happen again this year.

That conclusion just isn't correct. KC passed more and ran less with Huard.

 

[BigRed]

I thought the Raiders improved alot last year and should again have a strong draft class based on their seeding. Plus they have improved their coaching staff tremendously from last year. No more techmo offense. IMO The Raiders should pass up KC this year.

Did anyone else read posts after this one

 

[jgb95]

Who is Hoard???

Do you mean Damon Huard?

 

[Bob Magaw]

the raiders have an improved defense, but the problem is they are in AFC west...

it wouldn't be a huge stretch if they finish 0-6 in division...

to get to 7-9 or even 6-10 (that some dire prognosticators have KC in for), OAK would have to go 6-4 or 7-3 in other 10 games... that would be a tall order for a team that won just a few games last year...

 

[massraider]

to get to 7-9 or even 6-6 (that some dire prognosticators have KC in for)

I don't know how dire that is. Do you think KC has improved from last year?

 

[Hairy Snowman]

Think you just proved my point.Which teams/QB had less pass atts per game? I would be surprised if more than 3 teams had players with less pass atts. per game.

JAX, TEN, BUF, SF, ATL all had less passing attempts than KC.Also, DEN only attempted 4 more passes. And SD attempted 16 more passes.Plus I didn't take your post to mean that your point wasn't that KC didn't pass much, it was that Huard isn't an upgrade to Green.You said:

First, pointing to Hoard as an upgrade to Green is funny and distorted to me.

And then used this to further the above:

Hoard's passing attempts were significantly less than the vast majority of the league last year because he had the protection of LJ carrying the ball 400+ times (Teams gameplanned LJ). IMO That played a big role in the Time of Possession being in KCs favor all year (Why IMO they won so many games) and kept the defense (which had even more significant questions entering last year) fresh and off the field. It also helped skew Hoard completion % and win % IMO. IMO That same scenario won't happen again this year.

That conclusion just isn't correct. KC passed more and ran less with Huard.

I concede your point. I was trying to point out that they passed significantly less than the majority of the league and that will likely change this year. I was also trying to point to the other teams gameplanning to stop the run, allowing Green/Huard better coverage looks. I still doubt Huards ability over Green when the other teams play pass coverage.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

The writing was on the wall for the KC offense a year ago. Eventually their all-pro line was gonna be decimated by retirements.

LJ will still be solid, but now is the time to trade him in dynasties if you can find someone who values him as a top 3 back.

 

[kbreaker]

Who is Hoard???Do you mean Damon Huard?

Leroy?

 

[Hairy Snowman]

the raiders have an improved defense, but the problem is they are in AFC west...it wouldn't be a huge stretch if they finish 0-6 in division...to get to 7-9 or even 6-6 (that some dire prognosticators have KC in for), OAK would have to go 6-4 or 7-3 in other 10 games... that would be a tall order for a team that won just a few games last year...

First, I can see the Raiders playing well against the Chiefs this year, even winning one or even both of those games (depending on the draft). They weren't that bad late last year. The Tecmo offense was, but the players played hard.Next, no one said the Raiders were going to be good, I just said better than the Chiefs. The Broncos and the Chargers are the class of that division by alot IMO.

 

[HULLOBUDMAN]

to get to 7-9 or even 6-6 (that some dire prognosticators have KC in for)

I don't know how dire that is. Do you think KC has improved from last year?

I will bet any amount of money right now at 100-1 odds that the Chiefs do not finish 6-6.

 

[massraider]

to get to 7-9 or even 6-6 (that some dire prognosticators have KC in for)

I don't know how dire that is. Do you think KC has improved from last year?

I will bet any amount of money right now at 100-1 odds that the Chiefs do not finish 6-6.

You're on buddy!!Wait a second........

 

[-OZ-]

Donnie Edwards won't allow it. Donnie, DJ, Hali, and Allen make the outside among the best in the league.

Nothing on that D is "among the best in the league."

Go ahead and list the teams with 2 better DEs than Allen and Hali AND two better OLBs than Donnie Edwards and Derrick Johnson. You won't find many.

 

[Bob Magaw]

to get to 7-9 or even 6-6 (that some dire prognosticators have KC in for)

I don't know how dire that is. Do you think KC has improved from last year?

derrick johnson missed nearly a third of last season from injury... he has the pedigree & physical attributes to be one of the better SLBs in the game, so i consider his absence last year a loss, & if he is able to play 16 games in 07, that would be an upgrade...not sure if nap harris is an upgrade over kawika mitchell... they think so, but he admittedly didn't tear it up in MIN...donnie edwards is one of the best LBs in the NFL for close to a decade, so that should be a MASSIVE upgrade over likes of kendrell bell & keyaron fox... so yes, i do think the LB could be upgraded, especially if DJ can stay healthy & harris isn't a marked drop off from mitchell (shouldn't be too hard )...pollard isn't as cagey or wiley as veteran knight, but mayock said he was one of the best tacklers in the 06 draft at any position, so they could incur some tradeoffs (give up a few more plays), but he could potentially be stronger in run support...some players do make an improvement from rookie to second year, so hali has potential to be better in his second year...

 

[Hairy Snowman]

Donnie Edwards won't allow it. Donnie, DJ, Hali, and Allen make the outside among the best in the league.

Nothing on that D is "among the best in the league."

Go ahead and list the teams with 2 better DEs than Allen and Hali AND two better OLBs than Donnie Edwards and Derrick Johnson. You won't find many.

Bears have Brown and O-Gun, Briggs and Hillenmeyer. But when we lost our DTs, teams shreded us like like we were Bush's old emails. It didn't matter that we had Urlacher and Brown in there either. I do think the defense is improved, I just don't think it will be near enough to compensate for the extra exposure.If you can't stop the run, you can't stop teams from getting first downs. And, like KC did to teams last year, teams in the NFL will grind you to dust if that is the case.

 

[Routilla]

I thought the Raiders improved alot last year and should again have a strong draft class based on their seeding. Plus they have improved their coaching staff tremendously from last year. No more techmo offense. IMO The Raiders should pass up KC this year.

Did anyone else read posts after this one

LOL!!!I still think KC will be decent because they have the threat of a running game. Many teams do not. Huard will be serviceable having all the camps and preseason as the #1. Again the draft is important, they still have needs as does every team.

As far as the schedule goes....lets compare '06 and '07. No reason to compare the division games as they are unchanged. Please note this terrible KC team went 4-2 last year in the AFC West, splitting games vs SD and DEN while sweeping OAK. In '06 they had home games vs CIN, JAX, BAL, SEA, SF. In '07 they get CIN, JAX again and MIN, GB, TEN. So basically we swap BAL, SEA, and SF for MIN, GB, and TEN. The BAL game was the bad matchup(loss as expected) so this year the schedule is actually better at home by 1 game in terms of winnable games. On the road in '06, @PIT, @MIA, @CLE(all losses), @AZ, @STL. In '07 its @HOU, @CHI, @IND, @DET, @NYJ( probably losses @ both IND and CHI). In my opinion this schedule is not much different than last year. I can realistically see 3-2 non AFC West at home and either 2-3 or 3-2 on the road. So either 5-5 or 6-4 before we look at AFC West games. Say 3-3 in the division so 8-8 or 9-7 overall. Certainly an average team or better capable of holding their own. So to think that the wheels are falling off is a big reach IMO. In FF terms this is not a team you abandon on draft day. Especially LJ and Gonzo. Based on the schedule you may be surprised with Huard's numbers for a few of the better matchups. Again this is IMO. Cheers.

 

[Rovers]

Yes, I think there could be a crash and burn in KC this year. For a HC that just loves to run the ball, Edwards' history is to ignore the O line. does-not-compute. james Reed was flat our awful in NY, but after he was cut, Edwards went out and signed hom as a DT. Again.... does-not-compute. While the KC O line was obviously aging, Edwards did little to address preparing for it last year.

KC needed a WR last year.... now maybe this kid Webb will be ok, but he's hardly an answer. The problems at DT won't be fixed by an aging Wilkerson. They still need a LT, no small issue. After Huard played well, he plugged Green back in, and now puts Green on the tradong block. The man simply doesn't seem to know what he wants to do. He reminds me of the FF IDP owner that is rebuilding for 4 weeks, then starts trading for old studs that aren't what they used to be.

If the Colts defense can shut KC down, anyone can. And that offense is measurably worse than it was last year. Eeerilly reminiscent of what he did in NY. Run a good RB into the ground against 8 or even 9 in the box. Ignore the O line as players age and decline. Just keep drafting defense. Playing not to lose, drafting not to lose. Don't score too fast.... and be nice to the bus driver, because that's how you get to gramma's house.

 

[The Jacket]

So much junk in this thread it's not even funny. Where to start...

The Chiefs won't pick inside the top-10. Really, they rarely do. Going all the way back to 1989, the Chiefs have had less than 8 wins only four times; and less than 7 wins just the one time (2001). To suggest they'll be the worst team in football, whether you claim to base it on history, last season or right now, is absolutely idiotic.

It's so idiotic that I know the OP wouldn't bet a buck on it because it'd be $1 wasted. If said OP does have any conviction in hthis possibility, I'm certainly open to a large bet.

In other news, they're a BETTER team now than they were 4 months ago. Huard is an upgrade to Green (watch the fuggin' games, people); Shields played poorly last season and will not be majorly missed; they upgraded at OT (McIntosh > Black) , DT (Boone), OLB (Edwards > Bell) and MLB (Harris > Mitchell), among other things. Oh, and there's a thingy next weekend where they might add a decent young player or two.

They won't be an elite team. I'd be surprised if they made the playoffs. But don't kid yourself if you think they'll be one of or the worst and/or that they won't beat an elite team or two. That terrible 2006 Chiefs team was one of only three teams out of 17 to beat San Diego (and they actually deserved it, unlike one of those three teams) and they did win 9 games against a solid schedule. As always, they lost games they should've won (Cleveland), but that's what will keep them from being elite. It won't stop them from being mediocre/good.

By the way, Jared Allen + Tamba Hali + Derrick Johnson + Donnie Edwards = at least among the best outside front four players in football. Don't kid yourself... again.

 

[The Jacket]

KC needed a WR last year....

They need a pass-rush more. They got it.There's such a thing as a salary cap and limited draft choices.

They still need a LT, no small issue.

They brought in a guy who gave up 5-somethin' sacks and got rid of a guy who gave up 13-somethin'.Don't let the hater glasses cloud your judgement TOO much there, Jetty.

If the Colts defense can shut KC down

Get real. No one did much of anything against that defense in the playoffs.Talking defense and that playoff game, go and watch the first half where KC's offense was an absolute abortion and yet its defense kept Manning from scoring time and time and time again. Obviously it had to come to an end sometime with that trainwreck of an offense going three-and-out every time.

And that offense is measurably worse than it was last year.

If you're talking about right now versus 2006, you are SORELY mistaken. Sorely.Getting rid of Jordan "top 3 worst LT in NFL" Black alone is one of the best offseason moves any team has made.

 

[Rovers]

KC needed a WR last year....

They need a pass-rush more. They got it.There's such a thing as a salary cap and limited draft choices.

They still need a LT, no small issue.

They brought in a guy who gave up 5-somethin' sacks and got rid of a guy who gave up 13-somethin'.Don't let the hater glasses cloud your judgement TOO much there, Jetty.

If the Colts defense can shut KC down

Get real. No one did much of anything against that defense in the playoffs.Talking defense and that playoff game, go and watch the first half where KC's offense was an absolute abortion and yet its defense kept Manning from scoring time and time and time again. Obviously it had to come to an end sometime with that trainwreck of an offense going three-and-out every time.

And that offense is measurably worse than it was last year.

If you're talking about right now versus 2006, you are SORELY mistaken. Sorely.Getting rid of Jordan "top 3 worst LT in NFL" Black alone is one of the best offseason moves any team has made.

Oooh, seemed to have hit a nerve. So at this point last year, the offense was not as good as it is now? Talk about homer glasses. NE put up some points against the Colt D, and the by-the-way reference to what other teams did agianst the Colts vs. how putrid KC's offense was is weak, CHIEFY. Gotta laugh at how personally people take another's football opinion and start to turn it into a name calling match. So, losing Shields is some sort of upgrade? OK. NcIntosh only started 13 games for Miami, and I think we all know what a juggernaut that Miami O line is. He started last season on the Miami bench. Black was a guard.... why he ever played LT is a Herm mystery. Hey, I'm not saying KC will be all that bad, but anything more than 7 wins will surprise me. I happen to think that both KC and my Jets miss the playoffs this year. The difference is that I see the Jets as a team on the way up, while I see KC as going downward, and yeah, I chalk much of that up to the KC HC. But, he was smart enough to keep Solari around so he can fire him at the end of the season. Nothing is ever the fault of St Herm.

 

[Routilla]

Seems like a bunch of these posts refer to Herm in NY and what he did in NY. The facts are that KC has been very good against the average/below average teams and occasionally competitive against the elite. With atleast an 8-8 record this is not bad in the weighted AFC. I cannot believe we are still talking about this. Oh well. Next year we can do it again, surely someone will retire or be lost to FA. Once again we'll have to figure out how LJ is going to put up 1500+ yds and 15+ TDs. I'll be here to help out the bashers.