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Is Kuhn a Decent Play this Week? (1 Viewer)

Clifford

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Detroit is dead last in the league against the run.

Peterson tore them a new one and would have had more if not for a penalty.

They gave McCoy the best game of his career.

They held Forte to 50 yards on 17 carries, but also gave up 150+ on receiving and that was week one.

We all know Jackson sucks by now. He just doesn't have it.

GB offense should destroy Detroit getting up to a big lead early.

Could this really be any better set up for a good garbage game from this player?

Not an add/drop, I've already done that and have him in my lineup. (i'm desperate :lmao: )

ETA: one thing I just noticed: his ypc is 4.8 but that's typical for COP carries. What really struck me is that this fullback has a carry for over 10 yards in every game he's played.

 
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He's a good runner. He's got excellent power and good vision. He's not very shifty but he's not stiff either. I had the chance to snag him or McGahee this week and chose Kuhn for the reasons you outlines above. I think he could get 15 carries but his real value is going to be at the stripe, I project over a touchdown this week. I look for Green Bay to get up early and try to sit on the lead while Detroit mounts a furious late game comeback after forgetting about Calvin for most of the second and third quarters.

 
Jackson is the play. Mark it down.
I agree. Why is everyone passing over Jackson completely for Kuhn? Is it residual love for the FB thanks to Peyton Hillis?

B.Jackson has a MUCH better chance of running all over Detroit this week than Kuhn! McCarthy is happy with how they have done so far. Kuhn is not all of the sudden going to become the "lead" back.

B.Jackson

80 rushing

5 rec for 45

1 TD

 
Jackson is the play. Mark it down.
I agree. Why is everyone passing over Jackson completely for Kuhn? Is it residual love for the FB thanks to Peyton Hillis?

B.Jackson has a MUCH better chance of running all over Detroit this week than Kuhn! McCarthy is happy with how they have done so far. Kuhn is not all of the sudden going to become the "lead" back.

B.Jackson

80 rushing

5 rec for 45

1 TD
Because Jackson is a third down back. He looks slower than Kuhn out there and goes down when defenders look at him cross. I don't think either is going to be worthy of anything more than spot starts. I actually like Nance there by the end of the season. Jackson hasn't shown anything in what 3 or 4 years now? Ahman Green made him look terrible by comparison last year. Many blew their FA wad to get Jackson, but that is looking more and more like a sunk cost. He's got opportunity but he doesn't have the skill set to capitalize on it. The title of the thread is "Is Kuhn a Decent Play this Week?" I think he certainly is. But that has nothing to do with Jackson outside of them being in the same backfield. They didn't ask "Is Jackson worthless."

Besides, Jackson isn't available in most leagues. I thought this thread was for people looking to make a pickup this week as a bye week or injury filler. Jackson isn't worth trading for when you can get Kuhn off the wire. Both are about equal in fantasy value but Kuhn is available in many leagues whereas Jackson is not.

 
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I've only seen the CHI game this year since, but almost every time Jackson touched the ball in that game he was met by a bunch of penetrating CHI defenders. Also he was not only in on third downs, and he got more work in the red zone.

GB hardly rushed the ball in that game, and when they did, they were swarmed. If Jackson doesn't do anything against the Lions it may be time to bail on him, but I'm rolling with him this week in a deep, 16 team league.

 
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I've only seen the CHI game this year since, but almost every time Jackson touched the ball in that game he was met by a bunch of penetrating CHI defenders. Also he was not only in on third downs, and he got more work in the red zone.GB hardly rushed the ball in that game, and when they did, they were swarmed. If Jackson doesn't do anything against the Lions it may be time to bail on him, but I'm rolling with him this week in a deep, 16 team league.
Kuhn averaged over 5 per carry in that game. He looked better than Jackson. I think both might be decent plays this week but this is RBBC all the way. Of course against Detroit, there might just be enough cake to go around.
 
Sabertooth said:
Cassius said:
I've only seen the CHI game this year since, but almost every time Jackson touched the ball in that game he was met by a bunch of penetrating CHI defenders. Also he was not only in on third downs, and he got more work in the red zone.GB hardly rushed the ball in that game, and when they did, they were swarmed. If Jackson doesn't do anything against the Lions it may be time to bail on him, but I'm rolling with him this week in a deep, 16 team league.
Kuhn averaged over 5 per carry in that game.
I really don't like the "Take that play away" line of thinking but Kuhn's YPC was boosted by one big run. He and Jackson both looked bad against the Bears which was to be expected because Chicago's run defense is outstanding. Both had one good run (Kuhn's happened to be longer) and that was it. Jackson stinks but Kuhn isn't any good either. He's a plodder. He runs hard but he's a fullback being asked to play halfback (which tells you a lot about how bad Jackson is). As far as this week, I think Jackson has a shot to be a Top 15-20 RB. The Lions are awful and this should be a game set up for Jackson to do well. He's been getting the goal-line carries so I believe he has a good chance to score. Kuhn's not a bad RB3 reach in deeper leagues. He's sharing carries and although Jackson has been the goal-line RB so far Kuhn could get a shot in this game as well. So if you were in a larger league and/or stuck in bye-week hell he's not the worst RB3 reach this week.
 
Cassius said:
I've only seen the CHI game this year since, but almost every time Jackson touched the ball in that game he was met by a bunch of penetrating CHI defenders. Also he was not only in on third downs, and he got more work in the red zone.GB hardly rushed the ball in that game, and when they did, they were swarmed. If Jackson doesn't do anything against the Lions it may be time to bail on him, but I'm rolling with him this week in a deep, 16 team league.
He averaged 2.6 ypc against Buffalo (ranked 27th against the run). That should tell you everything you need to know.
 
Cassius said:
I've only seen the CHI game this year since, but almost every time Jackson touched the ball in that game he was met by a bunch of penetrating CHI defenders. Also he was not only in on third downs, and he got more work in the red zone.GB hardly rushed the ball in that game, and when they did, they were swarmed. If Jackson doesn't do anything against the Lions it may be time to bail on him, but I'm rolling with him this week in a deep, 16 team league.
He averaged 2.6 ypc against Buffalo (ranked 27th against the run). That should tell you everything you need to know.
well, it doesn't, since YPC from one game is a horrible way to decide if a player can play or not. also, BUF is definitely not 27th against the run.
 
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Sabertooth said:
Cassius said:
I've only seen the CHI game this year since, but almost every time Jackson touched the ball in that game he was met by a bunch of penetrating CHI defenders. Also he was not only in on third downs, and he got more work in the red zone.GB hardly rushed the ball in that game, and when they did, they were swarmed. If Jackson doesn't do anything against the Lions it may be time to bail on him, but I'm rolling with him this week in a deep, 16 team league.
Kuhn averaged over 5 per carry in that game. He looked better than Jackson. I think both might be decent plays this week but this is RBBC all the way. Of course against Detroit, there might just be enough cake to go around.
Sabertooth is clearly a Kuhn owner. Ride Kuhn all you like. Let's talk Monday morning.Just for argument sakeWeek 3Torain had a better ypc than PortisCribbs had a better ypc than HillisScott better than BensonFelix than BarberCharles than JonesSpiller than LynchWoodhead than BJESnelling than TurnerBuckhalter than MaroneyTaylor than ForteDoesn't mean than their roles will change the next week. Coach Mike McCarthy expressed faith in Brandon Jackson and John Kuhn Tuesday, saying he thought the Packers' run production was "a positive" in Monday night's game."I like our running backs," insisted McCarthy. "We're going to use them accordingly. I'm not trying to sell something that's not true." Doesn't sound like a coach who is ready to pull the plug on his "3 down" back just yet.
 
Cassius said:
I've only seen the CHI game this year since, but almost every time Jackson touched the ball in that game he was met by a bunch of penetrating CHI defenders. Also he was not only in on third downs, and he got more work in the red zone.GB hardly rushed the ball in that game, and when they did, they were swarmed. If Jackson doesn't do anything against the Lions it may be time to bail on him, but I'm rolling with him this week in a deep, 16 team league.
He averaged 2.6 ypc against Buffalo (ranked 27th against the run). That should tell you everything you need to know.
well, it doesn't, since YPC from one game is a horrible way to decide if a player can play or not. also, BUF is definitely not 27th against the run.
Unless it's more than one. He's too indecisive, dances too much, and avoids contact, not a good fit behind that line IMO.That said, he could do fine against Detroit.
 
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Cassius said:
I've only seen the CHI game this year since, but almost every time Jackson touched the ball in that game he was met by a bunch of penetrating CHI defenders. Also he was not only in on third downs, and he got more work in the red zone.

GB hardly rushed the ball in that game, and when they did, they were swarmed. If Jackson doesn't do anything against the Lions it may be time to bail on him, but I'm rolling with him this week in a deep, 16 team league.
He averaged 2.6 ypc against Buffalo (ranked 27th against the run). That should tell you everything you need to know.
well, it doesn't, since YPC from one game is a horrible way to decide if a player can play or not. also, BUF is definitely not 27th against the run.
umm, yeah they arehttp://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tab...mp;d-447263-n=1

Since one game is too small a sample how about we use all games this season:

@Phi 3.5

vBUF 2.6

@CHI 1.7

average from all last year?

3.0 (as a cop back)

Dude, the writing on the wall can't get much bigger. He sucks.

And honestly, this was not started as a "who sucks worse" thread between Kuhn and Jackson. Both suck, no matter what McCarthy said. Point being that only one is likely on the WW and therefore only one stands to help out people looking for a capable back to replace someone on bye or injury.

 
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Cassius said:
I've only seen the CHI game this year since, but almost every time Jackson touched the ball in that game he was met by a bunch of penetrating CHI defenders. Also he was not only in on third downs, and he got more work in the red zone.

GB hardly rushed the ball in that game, and when they did, they were swarmed. If Jackson doesn't do anything against the Lions it may be time to bail on him, but I'm rolling with him this week in a deep, 16 team league.
He averaged 2.6 ypc against Buffalo (ranked 27th against the run). That should tell you everything you need to know.
well, it doesn't, since YPC from one game is a horrible way to decide if a player can play or not. also, BUF is definitely not 27th against the run.
umm, yeah they arehttp://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tab...mp;d-447263-n=1

Since one game is too small a sample how about we use all games this season:

@Phi 3.5

vBUF 2.6

@CHI 1.7

average from all last year?

3.0 (as a cop back)

Dude, the writing on the wall can't get much bigger. He sucks.

And honestly, this was not started as a "who sucks worse" thread between Kuhn and Jackson. Both suck, no matter what McCarthy said. Point being that only one is likely on the WW and therefore only one stands to help out people looking for a capable back to replace someone on bye or injury.
The point is, YPC is for people who haven't watch the games. It's one of the most useless stats in football.
 
Sabertooth said:
Cassius said:
I've only seen the CHI game this year since, but almost every time Jackson touched the ball in that game he was met by a bunch of penetrating CHI defenders. Also he was not only in on third downs, and he got more work in the red zone.GB hardly rushed the ball in that game, and when they did, they were swarmed. If Jackson doesn't do anything against the Lions it may be time to bail on him, but I'm rolling with him this week in a deep, 16 team league.
Kuhn averaged over 5 per carry in that game. He looked better than Jackson. I think both might be decent plays this week but this is RBBC all the way. Of course against Detroit, there might just be enough cake to go around.
The concern might be that Detroit's front four is much better than Chicago's. The one thing I learned from the game on Monday is that the RB in McCarthy's current offense is little more than a decoy. That's not to deny that one or the other might get in the end zone once or twice. I think Hall is probably just as likely to run one in, as is Rodgers.Whether Kuhn is a decent play depends on your options of course, but my guess is that Jackson will get as many or more carries this week. If one of them fumbles all bets are off.
 
I'm not sure we should take anything from the Bears' game as an indication of what may happen with the Packers' approach this week. Chicago's run defense is outstanding. Detroit's stinks. McCarthy knew he wouldn't be able to run the ball well so he barely tried. This week the Packers should be able to run the ball effectively. That doesn't mean we'll see 35 rushing attempts but I think we'll see more of an effort placed on trying to establish the run and utilize it effectively. And if the Packers are playing from the front than that means Jackson and/or Kuhn will get a fair share of fourth-quarter carries. Again, I think Jackson has a very good chance to score this week and Kuhn could get one as well. In terms of yardage, I'd give Jackson the edge in terms of potential. Despite the fact he isn't any good, I think the matchup lends itself to giving him a chance at good or even very good fantasy production.

 
To answer the question, Kuhn is a decent play imo this week. He's facing Detroit. He's shown over the last year to be an option in the red zone and Green Bay will get there alot. I'll likely be starting him over a gimpy Best and Sproles with Barber on a bye.

To those who say Jackson is the better play, fine. That wasn't the question here and I don't think both of these guys are sitting together on waiver wires right now. If you own both that is certainly a valid opinion. I'm guessing most people don't own both Kuhn and Jackson though.

 
Kuhn didn't get the goalline plays last week although he ran well. If I remember correctly, there were even plays when the coaches put Kuhn in between the opponents 30 and 10, but then put Jackson back in to score.

I am a Kuhn owner. I am a little frustrated. I thought they would use this guy at the goalline, but I didn't see any of that last week. I hope I am wrong.

Anyone have any other knowledge of goalline from the past few weeks? If Kuhn isn't getting the goalline looks, I don't think he's worth much.

 
Kuhn didn't get the goalline plays last week although he ran well. If I remember correctly, there were even plays when the coaches put Kuhn in between the opponents 30 and 10, but then put Jackson back in to score.
The Packers have basically had two goal-line rushing attempts in the last two games. Jackson has gotten both. He converted against Buffalo and had 0 yards from the Chicago 3 last Monday night. Kuhn has not been the goal-line RB thus far. Jackson has been. I'm puzzled as to why people (not just here but on a lot of sites) insist Kuhn is the goal-line RB when he hasn't been. That's not to say he won't get a chance but thus far Jackson has been the RB McCarthy has used when the Packers have had a rushing attempt near the goal line. Both RBs have been used inside the 10 in passing situations.
 
That was my point packersfan. Here's another example.Below are game logs from the Chicago game. As you can see, in the fourth quarter, when the game was tight, Kuhn breaks off an 18 yeard run from the 25 yard line to the 7. At that point, you would think the Packers ride the hot hand, but no. They take Kuhn out of the game after that long run to put in Jackson who rushes for one yard and zero yards (after a penalty). Either they do not want Kuhn at the goalline, or they thought he was tired after the long run. The result of Jackson's runs make me assume that (1) they may try Kuhn at th goal line next game or (2) they may abandon the run at the goalline.

John KuhnQtr Time Score Down/Dist Yardline Description1 8:21 0 - 0 1st-and-10 own 40 rushed for 4 yards1 6:19 0 - 0 1st-and-10 opp 19 rushed for -1 yards2 12:28 7 - 0 1st-and-10 own 7 rushed for 1 yards2 10:15 7 - 0 3rd-and-4 own 42 caught pass for 10 yards (first down)2 9:39 7 - 0 1st-and-10 opp 48 rushed for 7 yards2 5:21 7 - 0 3rd-and-20 opp 30 caught pass for 10 yards3 11:57 10 - 7 2nd-and-4 opp 40 rushed for 2 yards4 9:22 10 - 14 1st-and-10 opp 25 rushed for 18 yards (first down)Brandon Jackson1 1:49 7 - 0 2nd-and-10 own 10 rushed for -2 yards2 8:14 7 - 0 1st-and-10 opp 34 rushed for -3 yards2 7:31 7 - 0 2nd-and-13 opp 37 caught pass for 7 yards2 3:31 10 - 0 2nd-and-10 own 18 caught pass for 10 yards (first down)2 2:50 10 - 0 1st-and-10 own 28 rushed for 2 yards3 13:16 10 - 7 1st-and-10 own 43 rushed for 11 yards (first down)3 10:03 10 - 7 2nd-and-3 opp 23 caught pass for 7 yards (first down)4 14:32 10 - 14 1st-and-10 own 28 rushed for 3 yards4 10:07 10 - 14 2nd-and-3 opp 28 caught pass for 3 yards (first down)4 8:30 10 - 14 1st-and-7 opp 7 rushed for 1 yards4 7:43 10 - 14 1st-and-3 opp 3 rushed for 0 yards
 
Anything is possible at this point in the Green Bay running game but again I'd caution anyone to take what happened against the Bears and use it to predict what will happen either against Detroit or going forward. Chicago's run defense is outstanding so the fact Jackson got stuffed at the 3 isn't really an indicator of whether or not he can be an effective goal-line RB. I just think that game should be viewed as an outlier because the Bears' run defense is looking like it's going to shut down a lot of RBs this season.

I have been surprised that Jackson has been the one called on so far in those situations but he scored with ease against the Bills and I would not be surprised if he got the call again against Detroit if the Packers had a rushing attempt inside the 5. But I do think Kuhn is a good bet to also score this week. I think there will be plenty of points to go around for the Packers on Sunday.

 
Kuhn would be a very desperate play for me this week... or any other. I would expect a max of 10-12 points if he gets a TD, only 3 or 4 points otherwise. Many players on the waiver wire offer that same "upside."

Jackson hasn't had good games but he still has real value. Kuhn doesn't.

 
Kuhn would be a very desperate play for me this week... or any other. I would expect a max of 10-12 points if he gets a TD, only 3 or 4 points otherwise. Many players on the waiver wire offer that same "upside."Jackson hasn't had good games but he still has real value. Kuhn doesn't.
I think Kuhn is being built up a bit because Jackson has been so bad. I don't think Kuhn is any good either (at least as a lead back) and there is a little too much smoke being blown up his behind primarily because Jackson has flopped so far. That said, in larger leagues I think he's worth a reach as a RB3 this week. This is a game the Packers should control and I think this is a good week to gamble on Kuhn scoring. I think 50 yards rushing, 1-2 receptions and a possible TD is within reach for Kuhn.
 
Kuhn is a real desparate play, definitely. But my other options involve Snelling, Ricky WIlliams, Mike Bell, Blount, and Keiland Williams, so if I'm praying for a touchdown, I think Kuhn is the best bet on the RB25-RB50 range this week.

I think Jackson and Kuhn each get a td this week. (I hope, lol)

 
Kuhn didn't get the goalline plays last week although he ran well. If I remember correctly, there were even plays when the coaches put Kuhn in between the opponents 30 and 10, but then put Jackson back in to score.
The Packers have basically had two goal-line rushing attempts in the last two games. Jackson has gotten both. He converted against Buffalo and had 0 yards from the Chicago 3 last Monday night. Kuhn has not been the goal-line RB thus far. Jackson has been. I'm puzzled as to why people (not just here but on a lot of sites) insist Kuhn is the goal-line RB when he hasn't been. That's not to say he won't get a chance but thus far Jackson has been the RB McCarthy has used when the Packers have had a rushing attempt near the goal line. Both RBs have been used inside the 10 in passing situations.
Yeah I thought Kuhn had a touch or two in the red zone Monday. Looking back he did not. In week 1 he capitalized though. They are really pitiful rushing so far as a team....the Lions might cure that.
 
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Aqx8...ts-2010-nfl-gnb

• The lackluster production from Brandon Jackson(notes) and John Kuhn(notes) in a platoon at halfback has fans clamoring for the team to go outside the organization for a reliable fill-in for Ryan Grant(notes), who suffered a season-ending ankle injury in Week 1.

While there’s been rumblings that general manager Ted Thompson has put out feelers for former first-round draft pick Marshawn Lynch(notes) of the Buffalo Bills, the Packers may first see what they can get out of another option on their roster.

McCarthy indicated Wednesday that rookie Dimitri Nance(notes) could be up for Sunday’s game against the Detroit Lions.

Nance was deactivated Monday after the undrafted rookie had been slow to grasp the Packers scheme. They signed him off the Atlanta Falcons’ practice squad to replace Grant on the roster, and Nance had a cameo role in the Week 2 win over the Buffalo Bills.

“I think he’s on target. I’m hopeful he can help us this week,” McCarthy said. “I’m really going to give him an opportunity to maybe even get up on special teams. … He’s fighting for some playing time.”

Jackson and Kuhn, normally a fullback, have combined for only 108 yards in 33 carries, or an average of 3.3 yards per rush, the last two games.

 
I'm not sure we should take anything from the Bears' game as an indication of what may happen with the Packers' approach this week. Chicago's run defense is outstanding. Detroit's stinks. McCarthy knew he wouldn't be able to run the ball well so he barely tried. This week the Packers should be able to run the ball effectively. That doesn't mean we'll see 35 rushing attempts but I think we'll see more of an effort placed on trying to establish the run and utilize it effectively. And if the Packers are playing from the front than that means Jackson and/or Kuhn will get a fair share of fourth-quarter carries. Again, I think Jackson has a very good chance to score this week and Kuhn could get one as well. In terms of yardage, I'd give Jackson the edge in terms of potential. Despite the fact he isn't any good, I think the matchup lends itself to giving him a chance at good or even very good fantasy production.
Spot on...nobody will be able to run against a (healthy) Chicago defense, as it's a stupid strategy versus the Bears defensive talent and their version of the Lovie-2...you pass 70 times versus Chicago, that is how you beat them...as there are holes in that defense that good QB's can and will find all day. Bad QB's? Chicago will probably destroy them. Rodgers and his ilk? You'll see, some team will pass on over 90% of their offensive plays(well, lets say 80% given some certain run situations) versus the Bears...it's smart, imo, and the only good strategy. Now if Urlacher and Briggs get hurt? Run all you want, but if those two are running around healthy with Peppers doing his thing? Emmitt and Walter in their primes would have a rough day ahead of them in all likelyhood......and yes, I'm rolling with Kuhn this week, as he is my #3 at the moment and I'm hoping for a TD...it's a long shot, for sure...
 
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This is a great thread for playing the GB RB lottery which is a long term play. But there are probably better gambles that can be made if you're just looking for a one or two week starter. Betts is taking first team snaps for NO and Darby will probably get the nod for STL. Maybe Kuhn will turn into something and maybe even this week but odds are that Jackson will get most of the carries this week. Best case scenario for those of us who are looking for some upside is that some other GB RB gets worked in and separates himself from the group but I don't think it'll be Kuhn or Jackson. Now watch me eat my words as these guys get an easier matchup this week.

 
I've been picking up Nance where I can this week to sit on the back of my bench. Total gamble, but he costs peanuts now. Jackson sucks, it's obvious watching him, I figure it's a matter of time before they see what they have in Nance (as hinted at by the article a couple posts up), even if it turns out to be nothing and they move on to Starks/somebody else after. This seems like a decent week to try him out in a limited role against a struggling team. If he gets in I doubt he sees any pass plays - they won't risk Rogers like that. Anyway, if Nance does capitalize the price goes up, so I'm getting in now at bargain basement prices. This is not to say I'm in any way, shape or form starting up a Nance bandwagon - he just seems like a worthy lotto ticket.

 

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