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Is LaDainian Tomlinson washed up? (1 Viewer)

If you couldn't figure out he was just "good" by now you haven't been watching football.
There is really no revelation in this post. LT IS done as an elite back. You could see it last year, you could definitely see it in preseason, you could see it in game 1. He's just a straight-ahead, downhill runner now. The best thing he has going for him is his situation and he can catch.
 
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No offense to the OP, but who is Mike Francessa and why should I revere his opinion? I don't have LT and I don't know if he will be a "big time back" again or not, but this guy is just stating his opinion.
:thumbdown: Who died and named him "Lord of Running Back Talent Evaluators "?
 
No offense to the OP, but who is Mike Francessa and why should I revere his opinion? I don't have LT and I don't know if he will be a "big time back" again or not, but this guy is just stating his opinion.
He is a loudmouth loser on WFAN here in NYC. He is Bill Parcells little bi**h
 
Anyone who draft LT to be elite again, deserve what they're getting.

If you expect 1300 - 1500 total yards and 10-12 TDs. Why are you worried? That looks like top 10 numbers to me.

 
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No offense to the OP, but who is Mike Francessa and why should I revere his opinion? I don't have LT and I don't know if he will be a "big time back" again or not, but this guy is just stating his opinion.
You're better off not knowing who he is. He's a complete #####.
 
My dentist and some guy sitting next to me on the train today said the same thing. I'm selling before everyone else knows...

 
LT has been a great back and has slowly declined as he's gotten older. Unlike many backs who totally fall off the map or miss most of their final seasons due to injury, he's been productive and useful as he's slowed down. The downside is it invites people to wonder whether he can regain his old form. The handwriting on the wall isn't as clear because he's been valuable in his decline.

But like an earlier poster said, it's clear if you've been watching the games. He's not the same back. He's now a complimentary guy and having Sproles makes the Chargers much better. They knew what they were doing.

 
thehornet said:
I am not an LT owner and I shockingly have never owned him in any league ever. Wow, that's actually crazy looking back on it.

I loath LT, but even I am saddened by his downfall. There is no denying he was one of the best ever fantasy football assets. he will be missed, like him or hate him.

good day :shrug:
For what reason do you loathE LT?
Why do you correct people's spelling? I forgot the e, big deal. If I wanted an english lesson, I'd ask my dad, who taught it for 35 years. i type as fast as I can. Im not trying to win the grammar award over here. I dont like Tomlinson because I think he is cocky and arrogant. I didnt like his reaction to the Pats celebrations a few years ago. Awfully childish. Yes, I a have a biased view.

 
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Who is Francessa? I said LT was done as a big time back over a year ago. And I still drafted him in one league. :shrug:

 
Tale of the tape:

Michael Bush (who ate the Chargers alive) had 12 rushes for 55 yards.

LT (who is old and slow and injured and fumbly and had no blocking) had 13 rushes for 55 yards.

 
This is the guy who made me think to myself that Sports Commentators should be required to Play FF just to get all the names down... It takes him a few weeks of games to get back into it...

He was probably talking about Lawrence Taylor.

When Westbrook sat on the 1 yard line he said "THAT is REAL football all you Fantasy Geeks I hope you all lost with Westbrook...Fantasy Geeks all over are crying and I Love it. REAL Football."

 
Looking to put LT's career in historical perspective I looked at his career touches compared to other RBs. He ranks #14 in all-time touches with 3,181. The top 3 are in a tier by themselves--Curtis Martin, Walter Payton and Emmit Smith--each with over 4,000 touches. #4 is Jerome Bettis with 3,679.

What's his upside? 2 more years at 300 touches pushing him to #4 all-time at 3,781?

What's his downside? That's he's done and should be happy that he was able to handle more touches than all but 13 RBs in NFL history?

I'd guess that the reality is in between those cases. I'm reluctant to put him in the tier with the top 3, so I think we're seeing the last year or two of LT's fantasy relevance.

 
Sad thing is he has a TV show Sunday nights in NYC as well.

Hearing him is bad enough, but seeing him AND hearing him is on another level of horrible.

He has a face even his mom hates.

 
Mike Francessa is one of the dumbest sports talk personalities in the country. The only thing I would take away from one of his idiotic comments is that the opposite will be the truth. I can't believe that clown is still on the air.

 
The YPC looks good, but the real worry was the Shaun Alexander-ness of his seemingly getting tackled by the turf over and over. If I hadn't watched the game I don't think I would be worried much (the missing linemen is kind of scary) but it looked like he was just falling over mid drive like SA did. But he said he rolled his ankle in the 1st Q so maybe there's an excuse. But then again, we're hearing alot of excuses from him these days... :bye:

 
He's not what he was, but he'll still compile good stats. The nagging injuries that become more of a hindrance for older RBs are here to stay I'm afraid, he'll never go through another season near 100% again.

Could be a good week to sit him anyway since they're playing the Ravens. He might have done you a favor by spraining his ankle.

 
craxie said:
LT had 4.2 yards per rush, better than SP favorites Portis (3.9), Chris Johnson (3.8), Felix Jones (3.7), Turner (3.0), Brandon Jacobs (2.9), DeAngelo Williams (2.6), Forte (2.2), Slaton (1.9), and Gore (1.4)Are they all washed up too?Sproles had 2.6Then LT rolled his ankle. He was done for the game, but no reason to think it will linger till next week.
I agree with this (and yes, nervous LT owner here). We won't know anything until we see LT run on a healthy ankle. The haters who point out that he was a sissy for constantly taking himself out of the game last night seem to be ingoring the fact that he turned his ankle. I read an article that described LT's limp as fairly "significant" after the game, so it wan't a minor tweak but probably more a full-fledged roll. Let's stop elbowing the women and children out of the way of the lifeboats, calm down, and give this a few weeks to come more fully into focus. Is LT going to be a Top 5 this year? Probably not. However, I do think he can be a Top 12 - 15 (which is where I drafted him). Norv commented during camp that he thought LT would have an outstanding year and, prior to his ankle roll in Q1, he was getting all of the touches out of the SD backfield. I think Norv will continue to feed him if he's healthy and he'll get enough touches to justify what I paid for him. I, for one, am not going to panic nor sell low on this guy.
 
Mike'd up and he's ready to go

talking sports on New yorks's sports radio

Mike'd up, Mike'd up and he's ready to run

with Eddie Erickson having some fun

Mike'd up Mike'd up

from the studios of WFAN in New York....

 
Tomlinson not expected to practice Wednesday

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 15, 2009 3:39 PM ET

The offseason puff pieces have been written, complete with references to quieting the "critics" and the "haters." The talk about whether LaDainian Tomlinson is still the "best back in the league" is now old news.

Just one day after the season opener, Tomlinson is once again fighting a battle against father time that running backs over 30 years old rarely win.

Tomlinson is not expected to practice Wednesday after hurting his ankle, which isn't surprising. The San Diego Union-Tribune believes that Tomlinson's status against the Ravens will come down to a game-time decision.

Look, we're not going to bury Tomlinson just because he's hurt going into Week Two. But his inability to stay healthy is a trend, and it's one that usually doesn't improve with age.

Chargers coach Norv Turner spoke earlier in the offseason about getting Tomlinson 320 carries this season, but all parties may be better off with a reduced workload.

Tomlinson may not give Turner a choice.

 
FWIW I traded LT away in a dynasty league last year. I felt at the time that he had at most a year or two left of very good to elite statistical performance, and I was bothered by what seemed to me to be a pretty clear physical decline in quickness and explosiveness.

Many laughed at what I got (my trading partner had already traded away many of his top draft picks) but I still feel like I got off the LT merry-go-round at the right time.

 
I personally disagree with just about everything he says, but he's been entertaining enough to be on the air for over 20 years now. He and Chris Russo pretty much started the whole sports talk radio format that's so prevalent today.

But yeah, half the time (generous) he seems like he doesn't even watch the games. The man can remember a bunt single by Mickey Mantle when he was 4 years old but I guarantee you he couldn't tell you the starting wideouts for the Rams.

 
High-upside RB2 in non-ppr leagues. It's over, fellas. Hope you took Sproles, although you'll never know when to start him until Tomlinson mercifully gets deactivated. If you took him in Rd1, it's going to be a looooong season. Signed, the fool who drafted him in rd1 last year. This turkey is dooooone.

 
It's over. It was a great run, but the bloom is off the rose for this cat. I hope you all came to your senses before draft-time. Still a high upside RB2 in non PPR leagues, but so is Benson. What's that ADP thing everyone's into?

 
LT didn't look too bad last night, but one thing about aging is you recover from the little injuries slower than you used to. Hope that ankle don't hang around like that toe injury did last year, or everyone is in for a long year.

 
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LT is NOT washed up per say, but the days of being a fantasy stud are past. I had him as a first pick LAST year and with all of the injuries, and slow running and falling down when barely touched, he didn't do much for me and he NEVER dominated any game, nor did he help me, he was just a little above average at best..many of us drafted him too early based on what he has done in the past..which is always a mistake..and happens alot..

San Diego has used him up..like no other back in the NFL and it shows..he has lost TWO steps..and it shows that he doesn't want to use any extra effort..when running, he goes down easy..as he already has all of the money..and fame, and he doesn't have to prove anything, he has the season touchdown record..he's just trying to hang on hoping that San Diego makes it to the Super Bowl.. His days of a youthful..lust to run hard and run through and around other players..for the extra yard..are gone..he has no desire..to get hurt..is the motive ...Iv'e seen many running backs run like this at the end of their NFL lives..trying to prolong..their NFL life.

You didn't see him on the field on the last drive Monday night, you saw Darren Sproles on the field, and this is ONLY game ONE..so what does this tell us..? It tells us that his TOP speed is..gone..and the Chargers needed someone on the field that has top speed to move the chains as a reciever...out of the backfield...LT doesn't have much of that anymore, and you might see LESS of him on third downs as the season progresses..which cuts on his fantasy numbers..but keeps him fresh for the yards between the twenty's...and the goal line runs..

LT has MORE carries in the past six years than any running back in the NFL, and that has worn him down. His "production" for 2009 will ONLY..be based on the Chargers powerful offense, and not on his..WILL to perform, he takes his time and doesn't put forth the EXTRA..effort, when hit..as he is protecting himself, so that he can stay healthy all season, to make it through the playoffs..as he knows the weekly grind, of wearing himself out every game, would wear him out, before the end of the season..as he is old for a running back, he cannot give 110% EVERY GAME all season, yea..he's OLD.. he is only the recipiant of that great offense in San Diego..and he will get MOST of the goal line TD's.

Don't expect him to be in the top ten....in total yards at the end..I had LT at #13 on my Pre Draft list, and he won't do much more than that..he will have more [short run] TWO touchdown games than..100 yard rushing games..he's a very good SECOND RB..but running backs that are in the 23-27 age range on good teams that are balanced on offense and defense are the one's that have a huge UPSIDE..to draft first..and then let the other owners have the guys from the past...who are on the DOWNSIDE..you as an owner always staying ahead of the curve..in the draft..

..God bless LT he has been amazing..and a joy to watch

Ltrain

 
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The good news: LT isn't completely healthy, so he could improve his cutting, strength, etc. as he gets better. Also, Sproles isn't really big enough to be a feature back, so they won't bench LT completely as long as he can play.The bad news: God knows when that injury will get better...
I said this most of last year until I realized he isn't the same. You will get what you saw last night all season. He's a RB2 that was drafted top 7. I won my league last year despite having LT last year, not because of him. I was off him this year, in fact way off him. I respect the opinion of FBG's but I just didn't have LT in my top tier of RB's, I just didn't see him as a top 10 pick.I only posted because I can't tell you how many posts there were almost exactly like this one about him last year.The truth is, he's no better than the backup. They make a solid tandem together because Sproles isn't an every down back. Gone are the monster days LT2 would put up. He's a RB2 that was overpaid for. If you go into your matchup with him as a RB2, you won't be as disappointed, that's what he was for me last year. I was lucky to pick up Pierre Thomas on the waiver wire just as he started to make his end of the season run to act as my RB1.
 
Doesn't it seem pretty much impossible for LT to return to his prime, though? When was the last time a long-time elite back started getting hurt and started losing a step ... and then reversed it all and re-achieved elite status? I can't recall it ever having been done.
it happens all the timeafter 7 years in the league, walter paytons yp dipped to 3.5 and the next year he only played 9 games. he then had a resurgence for the next 5 yrs.

after 6 yrs, emmit smith ypc dropped to 3.7 but he rebounded for 4 more excellent years.

curtis martin was written off as too old for his last 8 or so years in the league.

fred taylor was similar to martin in that he was consistently written off. he was lackluster for 2 yrs and then blew up in 2006 and 07 at age 31+

corey dillon was washed up until he went to the pats and had 1600 on 4.7 at age 30.

im not gonna bother looking for more.

 
You might as well say the Chargers are washed up because they played like a bunch of ####### last night regardless of the outcome. I hate the Raiders and the Nation more than anything, but I will give the guys from O-Town their due props because they owned the Chargers with the exception of the final score. Plus the zebras screwed up the call in the end zone on the Raiders' TD catch. Any RB is only as good as his Oline and LT's oline sucked. LT was forced to run east/west because the boys upfront were being manhandled.

There is no way that little smurf Sproles can be an every down back in the NFL - He is a freaking circus act in open space.

Sproles had a 5 yard td run plus one other run for 7 yards - His other 7 carries totaled him 11 yards

In retrospect LT averaged over 4 yards a carry with a bum ankle and some crappy blocking by an over rated Oline.

 
High-upside RB2 in non-ppr leagues. It's over, fellas. Hope you took Sproles, although you'll never know when to start him until Tomlinson mercifully gets deactivated. If you took him in Rd1, it's going to be a looooong season. Signed, the fool who drafted him in rd1 last year. This turkey is dooooone.
And here is where the real problem lies. These two statements are incompatible, and misleading. High upside RB2's are not "done". Those who drafted him in the first round may be dissapointed, but unless he gets hurt and goes on IR, they aren't "done" in their fantasy leagues either because LT will generally still put up numbers worthy of a fantasy start.

Let's be a little more careful in our descriptions of the situation.

 
Doesn't matter what anyone says about this guy, my eyes don't lie. He's already banged up anyway, probably Week 4 or 5 until he declares himself healthy. Then it will be I'm just resting up until playoff time. Whatever. Good luck to those who have him.

 
Anyone who draft LT to be elite again, deserve what they're getting. If you expect 1300 - 1500 total yards and 10-12 TDs. Why are you worried? That looks like top 10 numbers to me.
:lmao: I don't know why this is even a topic. LT could not even make it through the first game. LT is done
 
He's not washed up but probably not what he once was either. Hard to say for sure when he played with so many injuries last year and than got got hurt again fairly early last night.

In a non-PPR I think he'll be solid and can still put up 1,100-1,200 yards and double digit TD's. My problem is I only play in PPR leagues and I think his value is tremendously shot in those leagues. I expected his receptions to fall into the low 40's but after last night I think he's going to fall into the 20's. The fact he was hurt actually gives me some hope that maybe if he was healthy he might have played on some of the third down sets but I just can't see a valid reason why the team would not utitlize Sproles in that role.

In a PPR league when you have a pass catching back mathcups rarely matter and they tend to score consistently each week. If LT turns out to no longer be a pass catching back he's going to become, at least for my team anyway, a situational start. For instance healthy or not I'd not start him against Baltimore this week if I have better options. Not exactly what I had in mind for my #1 pick.

 
Anyone who draft LT to be elite again, deserve what they're getting. If you expect 1300 - 1500 total yards and 10-12 TDs. Why are you worried? That looks like top 10 numbers to me.
:thumbup: I don't know why this is even a topic. LT could not even make it through the first game. LT is done
Exactly. As long as half of your league doesn't believe it, I would look for one of those guys and sell.
 
Doesn't it seem pretty much impossible for LT to return to his prime, though? When was the last time a long-time elite back started getting hurt and started losing a step ... and then reversed it all and re-achieved elite status? I can't recall it ever having been done.
Curtis Martin in 2004 comes the closest in my opinion. As far as LT, watching last night he really looked like he had lost a couple of steps in my opinion. Maybe it was just the ankle but he never looked like he had much burst even at the start of the game. He looked old to me. Just one game and again, maybe the ankle injury was the reason but he didn't look like LT. He looked like an old LT.

 
High ankle sprain.

"It wasn't bad enough where I couldn't play," Tomlinson said. "Toward the end it really got tight on me. We were in two-minute (offense). Darren is very good at that, so it was a no brainer."
This quote from LT a few weeks back......Speaking to Sam Farmer of the Los Angeles Times, Tomlinson flashed jealousy about a recent Sporting News article in which Jim Brown interviewed Adrian Peterson.

"I was sitting there reading it thinking, 'Wow,' " Tomlinson told Farmer. "The difference with me is you can put me out on that field and there will be nothing I can't do. I won't have to come off the field. Adrian has to come off sometimes on third down. Running routes, he's still not there yet. Great downhill runner, powerful, fast, all that stuff. . . .
Well, let's hope he keeps his word from this point forward.....still say better an injured ankle than a coach's decision. LT still has a great chance to make the haters eat crow......
 
I don't mean to cause panic, but the "decline" of a top tier RB is usually pretty quick and steep. Judging by what I saw last night (both from LT and sproles) I think the time is now to deal LT, to another panicking owner (ie Brandon jacobs) with less mileage.

 
billjohnson said:
High ankle sprain.

"It wasn't bad enough where I couldn't play," Tomlinson said. "Toward the end it really got tight on me. We were in two-minute (offense). Darren is very good at that, so it was a no brainer."
This quote from LT a few weeks back......Speaking to Sam Farmer of the Los Angeles Times, Tomlinson flashed jealousy about a recent Sporting News article in which Jim Brown interviewed Adrian Peterson.

"I was sitting there reading it thinking, 'Wow,' " Tomlinson told Farmer. "The difference with me is you can put me out on that field and there will be nothing I can't do. I won't have to come off the field. Adrian has to come off sometimes on third down. Running routes, he's still not there yet. Great downhill runner, powerful, fast, all that stuff. . . .
Well, let's hope he keeps his word from this point forward.....still say better an injured ankle than a coach's decision. LT still has a great chance to make the haters eat crow......
He was talking about himself in his prime there... he said in the interview w/ Faulk that he's glad he has someone to take carries and help keep him fresh now that he's older.
 
Interestingly enough it appears LT has no value in my league. I was offered Romo and Crayton for LT and Garrard. Before he threw up this clunker.

 

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