cstu
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1 carry from 6, 1 TD.
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Is LaDainian Tomlinson washed up? (1 Viewer)
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fsufan
Footballguy
he is back
bonesman
Footballguy
Nothing he does today makes any difference unless he runs for 200+That said... it was good to see him out of the wildcat down at the GL.
Avery
Footballguy
At this point in the game (about at the half) he's running at a 2.75 ypc clip against the Raiders...
fsufan
Footballguy
and 2 TDs
Avery
Footballguy
I read that too.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
No question mark needed. Lookin' like SAlex at the end. Sad. Done.
smackdaddies
Footballguy
Have to agree with you. That pasting he gave the Giants today - that pick at 1.07 has really paid off for my team.BusterTBronco said:
MCguidance
Footballguy
Sucks but I am finally thinking it's the end of the road for him.
D'OHtis
Footballguy
I'm not so sure LT plays in the league after this year.
He's not going to be in position to make any demands [PT or money wise]. See him going the way Deuce/Edge/Shaun. Says he can still contribute, but won't have a market or desire to play @ min salary or backup role.
He's not going to be in position to make any demands [PT or money wise]. See him going the way Deuce/Edge/Shaun. Says he can still contribute, but won't have a market or desire to play @ min salary or backup role.
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I agree that he looks slow and old. But why isn't SD getting Sproles more carries? 12 carries for LT to 1 for Sproles. Putting insulting comments on Norv Turner aside, will Sproles become a guy worth starting? Thoughts? Is the organization being overly loyal to LT to the detriment of the team, and if so will that change?
Kiddnets
Footballguy
I watched a lot of that game - L has lost a step BUT I cant stress enough how piss poor tha OL is - I dont know many RBs who could be solid behind that OL......I wouldn't drop him - they have some good mathups down the stretch and they want him to get the ball.....but right now he is a matchup RB at best - not good if you drafted him in the 1st rd.
Running behind this OL, all Charger RBs are equally washed up, including Sproles.Sproles is a lot more explosive than LT in the passing game, so I agree that Sproles should get more playing time. But that's not going to help the running game any.
I do agree that if somehow Tomlinson got on a team with a dominant run blocking line he'd be decent - DECENT - not where he was, but on San Diego, he's damn near useless. I have had him in a keeper league since his rookie year and it's breaking my heart watching him stumble and run into the back of his lineman and get knocked around on arm tackles. I'm hoping that for nostalgia purposes he has one more big game before it's all over, but I'm thinking it's probably not ever going to come. 
Avery
Footballguy
It sounds like you might be in a bit of denial here Tremblay, by focusing almost exclusively on the OL in response to Tomlinson's downfall.Sure the OL is no great shakes but in addition to that, Tomlinson is now merely just another workman like back without extraordinary skills anymore. You can plug just about any NFL back into his carries and get comparable (or better) results.
It's kinda like OJ. Maybe the police planted evidence and he killed a couple of people. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
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Neil Beaufort Zod
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All LT has left to play for is a ring. He burned bridges with New England, so he's not going there. Maybe a compliment/mentor to Mendenhall next year in Pittsburgh?
Yes, I'm assuming he leaves SD next year. Unless there's unreal cap implications I don't see the team holding themselves back to accommodate him. He's not productive anymore. It's Rivers' team and it's a passing offense. I think Derrick Ward would have been a better fit for SD but the team is doing right by LT this year. I think it ends after this season, though.
Yes, I'm assuming he leaves SD next year. Unless there's unreal cap implications I don't see the team holding themselves back to accommodate him. He's not productive anymore. It's Rivers' team and it's a passing offense. I think Derrick Ward would have been a better fit for SD but the team is doing right by LT this year. I think it ends after this season, though.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I doubt it. If the Steelers want an aging RB that may have lost a step next season they'll just resign Willie Parker.
SuperJohn96
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LT2. Meet Wall.
Wall. Meet LT2.
Oh, you've already met? My bad.
Wall. Meet LT2.
Oh, you've already met? My bad.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Well, look at what Sproles has done rushing behind this line? Nothing. I don't think Tremblay is saying LT is a stud...but that the Oline is definitely hurting him from even being a serviceable back...and that is backed up by the fact that Sproles has looked awful running the ball as well.
Avery
Footballguy
Again, no doubt that the OL is hurting all RBs in SD's backfield and better OL play would make Tomlinson and all SD RBs look better and I could be wrong here, but it seems that by just pointing to the OL ("Running behind this OL, all Charger RBs are equally washed up...") is doing a run-around on the thread topic and avoiding the issue that many of us, especially SD fans, don't want to see or discuss. Tomlinson has not only lost a step, but has quickly become a pale comparison of the runner he was.
I was responding to the question of whether Sproles will become a fantasy player worth starting.LT isn't the same guy he used to be. He's a bit slower, and he's running with much less power and balance.Avery said:
But that doesn't change the fact that no Charger RB, including Sproles, would do much better behind that OL.
(On a positive note, Nick Hardwick is expected back either this week or next. While all the Charger offensive linemen have struggled this season, the center has been the weakest link.)
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FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Well, saying LT has been no worse than Sproles isn't really a great argument for saying LT is not washed up. I mean, this is Darren Sproles we're talking about here.
Also, Sproles has really only struggled in the games in which LT was out and he was asked to carry the load, which has been the knock on him since he came into the NFL. When Sproles has played his normal role of a handful of carries a game, he's been every bit as good as he was in prior seasons (ypc around 4.9).
Also, Sproles has really only struggled in the games in which LT was out and he was asked to carry the load, which has been the knock on him since he came into the NFL. When Sproles has played his normal role of a handful of carries a game, he's been every bit as good as he was in prior seasons (ypc around 4.9).
Watching this game yesterday (shots of LT celebrating the winning TD with Norv), and hearing LT's comments today (can't find them, but essentially "not saying this is the end, but you don't know how if you'll play here again" when talking about Giants stadium) I got the strong feeling LT knows he is done and will retire after the year. I thought last week he might be a Patriots veteran-reclamation candidate, but had forgotten about his history with BB. It really is sad to see it end like this for the best RB I've watched in my years as a fan (I narrowly missed the Barry Sanders era), but I'd drop him in a heartbeat in a redraft league.
Chaka
Footballguy
I could see him end up in Baltimore with Cam Cameron next year.
I recorded the game and just watched it today.
Honestly, through the end of the third quarter I thought he looked perfectly fine except for the goal line carry. And that carry there were so many Giants in the backfield I don't know if anyone could have done anything.
Unless he really started sucking in the fourth quarter, imo he looked good running, cutting, catching the ball.
Honestly, through the end of the third quarter I thought he looked perfectly fine except for the goal line carry. And that carry there were so many Giants in the backfield I don't know if anyone could have done anything.
Unless he really started sucking in the fourth quarter, imo he looked good running, cutting, catching the ball.
Okay, I saw one play in the fourth quarter that was all on him. He had a 5 yard run with about 8 minutes to go on first down.
He tripped - it should have gone for more yards. But the rest of his runs? I really didn't see how he was a problem in the least.
The Giants were getting a lot of pressure. Rivers threw a pick in the fourth because of it. NYG were consistently getting into the backfield - LT, Sproles, Rivers...run or pass it didn't matter. The middle of the San Diego o-line was regularly getting abused and pushed back as soon as the ball was snapped.
He tripped - it should have gone for more yards. But the rest of his runs? I really didn't see how he was a problem in the least.
The Giants were getting a lot of pressure. Rivers threw a pick in the fourth because of it. NYG were consistently getting into the backfield - LT, Sproles, Rivers...run or pass it didn't matter. The middle of the San Diego o-line was regularly getting abused and pushed back as soon as the ball was snapped.
Johnny Ice
Footballguy
I don't know, maybe it was that 18 for 56 at home vs. Raiders. It's clear LT is a shell of his former self no matter which way you want to spin. He's had ample opportunity against the tomato cans of the league to prove otherwise.I recorded the game and just watched it today. Honestly, through the end of the third quarter I thought he looked perfectly fine except for the goal line carry. And that carry there were so many Giants in the backfield I don't know if anyone could have done anything.Unless he really started sucking in the fourth quarter, imo he looked good running, cutting, catching the ball.
crush304
Footballguy
he's got to stop trying to jump cut, he just doesn't have the athleticism to pull it off any more. at this point he runs forward 3 steps, stops and someone tackles him before he gets going again. i don't know if he's capable of switching his style after so many years but he's got to pick a hole and hit it hard.
The biggest thing is he crumbles on contact. He hasn't broken a tackle all year. He's not hard to tackle. The strength and explosion is completely gone.He's a 600-700 yard, 5-6 TD guy, RBBC RB. I don't really see what is going to change, he's gotten old, it happens. SA went from 16 tds, 14 tds, 2 tds, cut. Done, over, goodbye. RBs fall off the map pretty quickly.
Giants play in a new stadium next year.
Steady Mooobin
Footballguy
That and Hutchenson left.S.Alexander is the softest, weakest "elite" back to have ever played. He could make people miss, but folded like Marvin Harrison as soon as there was contact.
LT is done. His line isn't helping.
ManningissGod
Footballguy
Overall his runs just dont even look good anymore. He used to make move after move and then blow defenders away. I believe he's starting to wash up.
Not watching this game, huh?
