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Is Marrion Barber hurt (1 Viewer)
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nysportsfan
Footballguy
Neither backs look all that great. Not hurt from what I know, but definitely time share.
Team ROFLCOPTERS
Footballguy
Draft with confidence.
gnarboots11
Footballguy
awesome late round pick. I got him with the 90th pick in the draft. Felix Jones is an injury waiting to happen and has never done anything to warrant the hype he is getting to go higher in the draft. He has had a couple good runs in his career and thats it. He has never even been able to carry the ball more than 15 times in a single game. I would rather own Choice than Felix. MB3 will get the goal line touches, MB3 has had a great off season, MB3 played injured all of last season and didn't let anybody know about it. He is a value pick in the draft, Felix going 40 picks above him is not.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
how far?
super sleeper
Footballguy
I just got him in the 4th round of a 5 man keeper league. That translates to pick #106. As his former owner, I was happy to reclaim him since he underperformed his keeper status last year. Hoping to recoup some of that value this year.
VICK-tory
Footballguy
Just finished my big draft and took Barber in rd 6. I do agree that he's lost a little somethin but at that price? Could not turn it down.
oukurt
Footballguy
Presason means nothing. To help keep things in perspective...The Lions went 4-0 in 2008 then went on to go 0-16 in the regular season.
RenegadeGM
Footballguy
He's hurt... that nobody in your draft had taken him by the time of this post 
Winning IS Everything
Footballguy
No kidding. I just paid $9 in a $200 salary cap auction league for him where Felix Jones went for $15.
Manster
Footballguy
i dont buy this. the Cowboys O-line has been HORRIBLE in run blocking in the pre-season. everyone has a bad taste in their mouth for Cowboys players after last night and to a point, rightfully so. IF the O-line plays better MB3 will be a value pick this season.
Todem
Footballguy
Very
Todem
Footballguy
Oh preach the gospel. Pre-season ruins drafts for people.
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
Initial 12 team PPR dynasty auction:Felix Jones went for $52 (out of $400)Barber went for $12This was just before the April NFL draft.
gnarboots11
Footballguy
The two best players on the O-line Kosier and Columbo were out yesterday and they will be back week 1. Serious, throw out yesterdays game.
Todem
Footballguy
What about defense...Arian Foster looked like the second coming of Roger Craig if you ask a lot of people around here. The space they had was just a travesty....Dallas was not playing last night....no way.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Homer: They didn't blitz, didn't play any zone, and didn't adjust to what Houston was doing. They didn't lose anybody over the off-season, the defense is still legit.
Team ROFLCOPTERS
Footballguy
That guy will regret tying up 1/8 of his cap on Jones. Blows me away.
Jim Otto
Footballguy
My auction last week, Jones went for $9.00 and Barber $8.00. $200.00 budget. Start 2 RB non ppr.
both owners were pleased at that price.
Carver
Footballguy
I got them both for $15 in my $200 Auction over the weekend. Sweet deal.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
im confused. mb3 had a torn quad last year and is now done?
Fantaholic
Footballguy
If we're gonna bump down MBIII's projections because of poor play in the pre-season then shouldn't we be doing the same for several other players, most notably Romo???
I don't think so
I don't think so
The Jerk
Footballguy
The positive spin, and one I subscribe to, is that MBIII is primed for a strong uptick in production this season.The negative spin is that he'll find another injury to battle this year and it could linger all year like the quad in '09.I like his prospects but I dislike how his style exposes him to injury.
Here is the problem i have with Barber. If Jones stays healthy, Barber will be lucky to get 30-40% of the RB touches. Even if Jones gets hurt, he would be lucky to get 60%.
Jones is clearly the superior talent, and even though the Cowboys will limit his touches, they will have a hard time not having their best RB on the field as much as possible. This will especially be the case if the Cowboys OLine doesnt improve, as Barber is far more dependant on good OLine play.
Jones is clearly the superior talent, and even though the Cowboys will limit his touches, they will have a hard time not having their best RB on the field as much as possible. This will especially be the case if the Cowboys OLine doesnt improve, as Barber is far more dependant on good OLine play.
Manster
Footballguy
not much to break down right now. the Cowboys havent ran the ball much in the pre-season. and when they have there hasnt been much room.Choice looks the best right now, but a lot of his runs come against less that 1st team D. BUT, make no mistake, Choice has been solid every time he gets a chance and has won over many people. i snagged him late in one league.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Go deep said:
Your bias has been noted in basically every thread regarding these two players for a couple years now. Until I see the bolded actually happen, I'm not going to consider it "luck" that Marion Barber gets the bulk of the Cowboy's running back touches.08: 290 touches to 32 in favor of Barber.09: 240 touches to 135 in favor of Barber.
When Jones gets nicked he's out for extended periods of time. When Barber tears a quad he still manages 1,153 total yards and 7 TDs. The fact Barber can play a little banged up coupled with his ability as a short yardage runner and receiving skills make him the much more valuable player.
Personally, I think Felix Jones will be lucky to see 50% of the touches for the Cowboys.
i drank the felix jones kool aid last year...after watching him all season, he's not the most talented and IMHO seems to have lost that burst he had when he first joined Dallas...Go deep said:
09: 240 touches to 135 in favor of Barber.
When Jones gets nicked he's out for extended periods of time. When Barber tears a quad he still manages 1,153 total yards and 7 TDs. The fact Barber can play a little banged up coupled with his ability as a short yardage runner and receiving skills make him the much more valuable player.
Personally, I think Felix Jones will be lucky to see 50% of the touches for the Cowboys.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I think MBIII is going to get less carries to keep him fresh, Felix is a game breaker and the Cowboys love the versatility of T-Cho.
Notice a trend? ETA, How can i have been biased for years, it was only in the last fews months that i even had Jones on my team. Point being, it isnt bias, its a conclusion i have come to after watching them play.Go deep said:Your bias has been noted in basically every thread regarding these two players for a couple years now. Until I see the bolded actually happen, I'm not going to consider it "luck" that Marion Barber gets the bulk of the Cowboy's running back touches.08: 290 touches to 32 in favor of Barber.
09: 240 touches to 135 in favor of Barber.
When Jones gets nicked he's out for extended periods of time. When Barber tears a quad he still manages 1,153 total yards and 7 TDs. The fact Barber can play a little banged up coupled with his ability as a short yardage runner and receiving skills make him the much more valuable player.
Personally, I think Felix Jones will be lucky to see 50% of the touches for the Cowboys.
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
Fair enough. It seems like years because I've noticed you posting in any thread involving these two players for a while. The trend I'm noticing is that Marion Barber has missed 5 games in his 5 seasons, and Felix Jones has missed 12 in 2 seasons. I'm not arguing that Felix Jones isn't a talented player. He is, but so is Marion Barber.Notice a trend? ETA, How can i have been biased for years, it was only in the last fews months that i even had Jones on my team. Point being, it isnt bias, its a conclusion i have come to after watching them play.Go deep said:Your bias has been noted in basically every thread regarding these two players for a couple years now. Until I see the bolded actually happen, I'm not going to consider it "luck" that Marion Barber gets the bulk of the Cowboy's running back touches.08: 290 touches to 32 in favor of Barber.
09: 240 touches to 135 in favor of Barber.
When Jones gets nicked he's out for extended periods of time. When Barber tears a quad he still manages 1,153 total yards and 7 TDs. The fact Barber can play a little banged up coupled with his ability as a short yardage runner and receiving skills make him the much more valuable player.
Personally, I think Felix Jones will be lucky to see 50% of the touches for the Cowboys.
Barber has the ability to play with an injury. Jones doesn't, and he seems to get nicked up quite easily, which certainly effects his performance on the field when he does play nicked up.
The Cowboys most certainly will limit Jones' touches, because they've seen the evidence that he doesn't hold up well and becomes a less effective player when he receives a higher workload (reference the game logs following his start against Carolina when Barber was out and Jones subsequently injured his knee).
I also expect Dallas to be a very potent offense that will be protecting leads in the 4th quarter of the majority of their games. Marion Barber will likely be the player running against tired, uninterested, beaten down defenses.
Saying Marion Barber is only going to get 30% of the Cowboy's RB touches is ludicrous and biased, in my opinion.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I can see taking a late pick on Choice but I really want to avoid the three-headed monster of Jones/Barber/Choice this season.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I would take T-Cho late only because he could be huge if Felix or MBIII go down.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
This is wrong. Preseason may not matter when it comes to playcalling or a particular individual's stats, but when you're talking about teamwide performance, it is an indicator. Not a big one, but it's 100% false to say that it means "nothing."Evidence
More evidence (less data, but more recent)
So when you're talking about how an entire unit/team is functioning in the preseason, it's relevant data.
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PatytonsGhost
Footballguy
Interesting InfoRegarding the above Tornby link, I would have liked to see how many years back he went to do this analysis. It doesn't specify anywhere what he did to arrive at his numbers
njherdfan
Footballguy
I worry that Jones' decision to gain some extra weight this year to try and be able to better handle feature back role has sapped some of his quickness from him, in the same way that Slaton looked noticeably slower last season than he did as a rookie. Granted, it's only been a small sample size, but it's definitely something to think about.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I think it only went back a couple years. I believe that's why it has that unexpected result for teams that won all four games- it includes the 2008 Lions, who went 4-0 then 0-16. The data pool was small enough that an extreme result like that threw the whole thing off-kilter.Still, looking at both links, I think it's fair to say that the preseason has some predictive value. Not for a particular player's performance independent of his team, but when you're talking about an entire unit or team- as people are doing here with Dallas and their O-Line- it's relevant. I don't think it's hugely important, but it can't be totally ignored either.
joffer
Footballguy
Go deep = switz?Go deep said:Your bias has been noted in basically every thread regarding these two players for a couple years now. Until I see the bolded actually happen, I'm not going to consider it "luck" that Marion Barber gets the bulk of the Cowboy's running back touches.
BigJim®
Footballguy
Wait, what?As I recall Barber played with a hole in his quad last year and still was given nearly 2-1 carries over a healthy Felix Jones (214 vs. 116). How the heck do you extrapolate that into a statement that if Jones is healthy then Barber will be lucky to be relegated to 30-40% of carries? Makes zero sense.Go deep said:
Ridgelake
Footballguy
This.He doesnt look like the same guy to me. His first 2 years, he'd jump off the screen at you with his acceleration, quickness, and moves. He's looked very average this year. There were some plays this preseason where he'd get the ball in space on a screen pass. Prior years, he'd juke the first guy, no problem. Every time I've seen it this year, the first guy has brought him down. Very small sample size, I know. But he's not passing the eyeball test right now.I've read quotes from guys like LT and Portis saying to the effect of, "the older I get, the more effective I am being lighter." I have a strong suspicion that this time next year, Felix will say he's dropped 10 pounds to regain his quickness. He just doesn't look the same. I am moving him down my draft board accordingly.
Over the last 5 weeks of the 2009 season, Jones had more touches than Barber. Jones is also the more talented back IMO, so i am guessing if both stay healthy, Barber will be lucky to have as many touches as Jones. Even if they do have the same amount of touches, after you add in Tashard Choice, that wpuld leave Barber with about 40% of the RB touches.It is my guess that Jones gets about 50-55%, Barber 35%, and Choice 10-15%, assuming all stay healthy. It is also my opinion that Barber is more likely to get injured, due to his running style.I am not Switz, and i am not being biased, this is just the opinion i have formed after watching the games and doing my homework. Might i be wrong, sure, but i will continue to use my own conclusions either way no matter how many Barber owners yell at me.For the record, i didnt own any of the Cowboys backfield until this offseason. I didnt own Felix Jones until after i came to this conclusion. I put my money where my mouth was, and gave up quite a bit to get him in two of my dynasty leagues. ETA, last two seasons, Barber has averaged 4 YPC, Jones has averaged 6.5 YPC.
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