Is Michael Vick a legitimate MVP candidate? (1 Viewer)

[JbizzleMan]

The Eagles were going to be a pretty good team before Vick became the starter. What do the letters M.V.P. stand for?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

It would be a lot easier if they changed the award from "Most Valuable Player" to "Best Player".

There's always confusion about the Most Valuable part. "Most valuable" to who? The team? The league? And it prevents players that play amazingly well on bad teams from ever winning the award, which I think is wrong.

The answer to the question here, though, is "yes".

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Since Vick has beat up on 3 bottom feeder defenses in Detroit, Jacksonville, and Washington and looked good but not great vs. Indy, how can we be sure he's a better fit thank Kolb going forward?

"Good but not great" gets you Offensive Player of the Week these days?

 

[Clifford]

I know he hasn't played every game. That's the ONLY argument against him right now.

--If he plays the rest of the games this season, he will have played 12 games this year.

--He hasn't thrown an INT all year

--He's thrown 11 TDs

--115.1 QB rating

--341 yds rushing already and 4 rushing TDs

--The team has won every game he's started except for the game he was injured in the very beginning

That's the only argument one really needs. MVP candidate can't miss a substantial part of the season IMO.

 

[unckeyherb]

The Eagles were going to be a pretty good team before Vick became the starter.

According to who? I think most people optimistically had them at .500 and missing the playoffs this year.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Serious question (I don't know the answer): in a non-strike season, has the MVP ever played as few as 12 games?

A bunch of defensive players and a couple of OL have been named first-team All-Pro by the AP after missing at least 4 games in a 16 game season. But no QB/RB/WR/TE ever has.

 

[Arizona Ron]

@ this whole thread.

 

[Tau837]

Serious question (I don't know the answer): in a non-strike season, has the MVP ever played as few as 12 games?

A bunch of defensive players and a couple of OL have been named first-team All-Pro by the AP after missing at least 4 games in a 16 game season. But no QB/RB/WR/TE ever has.

Thanks, Chase. I realize that I phrased the question poorly, since players may have won MVP playing only 12 games when seasons were 14 games. Your answer covers that issue.Also, technically, he has played 6 games and missed 3 games, though we know he missed parts of 2 of the 6 games in which he played. So perhaps a better question would be whether any former MVP missed 3 or more games in a non-strike season. I suspect the answer is no, meaning for Vick to win would be unprecedented.

 

[thatguy]

So Vick has essentially played in 4.75 games. He played a half against GB in the first game of the year and a quarter against WAS.Just simply doing a projected performance over a 16 game schedule, here is what he would produce...323 Completions515 Attempts4547 Passing Yards37 TD's0 INT's148 rushes1149 Rushing Yards13 TD's

I did this little exercise too. It's awesome. But I used 5 game as his base thus far, so my numbers were not quite as high. Still effin ridiculous! Guy has been playing out of his mind all season long. He was unstoppable last night, and I don't think there's a team in the league that can slow him down. No matter how much you gameplan for him, he will still catch you off guard. The vision and field awareness he has displayed this season are insane, and if you give him the slightest opening, whether it be to a WR downfield or a breakdown in containment that allows him to slither into the second level, he will hurt you.As for the MVP talk, I don't see how he's not in the discussion, but as of now, definitely not the favorite, although as another poster said, he might very well be the best player in the league right now. I think he's more likely to earn OPOY honors than MVP honors.

 

[meatwad1]

Right now, no. He has yet to play three full games in a row this year, and the drop-off from him to Kolb isn't nearly as severe as Rivers, Brady or Peyton to all of their backups is. In other words, those three QBs are all much more valuable to their teams than Vick is to his, so therefore, no.

But I suspect some will overreact to a single game and talk like he is the frontrunner right now.

This is completely asinine.

Kevin Kolb started for the Eagles in their 14-point win over the 7-2 Falcons. Do you think the Patriots could lose Brady and still beat a 7-2 team by double digits? Or Manning and the Colts? Or Rivers and the Chargers? I'll hang up and listen.

bad argument....kitna was able to beat an all world giants team...I wonder how that happened?

 

[sports_fan]

As far as his past goes, there are a lot of players in the NFL that I don't like as people but I still enjoy watching them play. Vick is one of them.

He's absolutely in the MVP discussion right now.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Since Vick has beat up on 3 bottom feeder defenses in Detroit, Jacksonville, and Washington and looked good but not great vs. Indy, how can we be sure he's a better fit thank Kolb going forward?

Kolb lost to the team that Vick just beat seven shades of ####e out of. Next question.

Um, in that first Washington game, they were losing 14-0 with Vick in there, and the Eagles then outscored Washington 12-3 with Kolb in there. In fact, Kolb almost brought them back to win from the hole they were in when Vick was playing, so I am not sure saying that Kolb lost that game is accurate. Just like it wouldn't be accurate to say that Vick lost the GB game, since that game was the exact opposite (meaning they were losing when Kolb was starting, and then Vick came in and they almost came back and won).

 

[two_dollars]

He's in the running, but I don't consider him a favorite. He's only played in roughly half the games this year. To win he'd have to keep up the performances AND stay healthy the rest of the year. If SD wins out and makes the playoffs, I have to give it to Rivers.

 

[unckeyherb]

Since Vick has beat up on 3 bottom feeder defenses in Detroit, Jacksonville, and Washington and looked good but not great vs. Indy, how can we be sure he's a better fit thank Kolb going forward?

Kolb lost to the team that Vick just beat seven shades of ####e out of. Next question.

Um, in that first Washington game, they were losing 14-0 with Vick in there, and the Eagles then outscored Washington 12-3 with Kolb in there. In fact, Kolb almost brought them back to win from the hole they were in when Vick was playing, so I am not sure saying that Kolb lost that game is accurate. Just like it wouldn't be accurate to say that Vick lost the GB game, since that game was the exact opposite (meaning they were losing when Kolb was starting, and then Vick came in and they almost came back and won).

Okay, so you think that Kolb is a better fit? Perhaps I generalized it a bit too much. My point was that for someone to point to the fact that "Vick has smoked every team he played, but they all aren't very good", as an argument thatKolb is better right now is ludicrous.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Since Vick has beat up on 3 bottom feeder defenses in Detroit, Jacksonville, and Washington and looked good but not great vs. Indy, how can we be sure he's a better fit thank Kolb going forward?

Kolb lost to the team that Vick just beat seven shades of ####e out of. Next question.

Um, in that first Washington game, they were losing 14-0 with Vick in there, and the Eagles then outscored Washington 12-3 with Kolb in there. In fact, Kolb almost brought them back to win from the hole they were in when Vick was playing, so I am not sure saying that Kolb lost that game is accurate. Just like it wouldn't be accurate to say that Vick lost the GB game, since that game was the exact opposite (meaning they were losing when Kolb was starting, and then Vick came in and they almost came back and won).

Okay, so you think that Kolb is a better fit? Perhaps I generalized it a bit too much. My point was that for someone to point to the fact that Vick has smoked every team he played, but they aren't very good, as an argument that we don't know if Vick is better than Kolb right now is ludicrous.

Not sure why you would ask that, considering I have stated in this thread several times that, despite the fact that Kolb has played very well at times this year, Vick is better.

 

[unckeyherb]

Not sure why you would ask that, considering I have stated in this thread several times that, despite the fact that Kolb has played very well at times this year, Vick is better.

Because my initial post that you commented on was in response to this:

how can we be sure he's a better fit thank Kolb going forward?

 

[Ghost Rider]

Okay, but I didn't comment on that; I merely commented on you misstating that Vick beat the team that Kolb lost to earlier this season.

 

[unckeyherb]

Okay, but I didn't comment on that; I merely commented on you misstating that Vick beat the team that Kolb lost to earlier this season.

kolb played the majority of the game and was unable to come back from an early 14 point defecit. Vick scored 52 points the next time the two teams played. We can just leave it at that.