Is Randy Moss finished as a fantasy starter? (1 Viewer)

[fflmonster]

it seems very clear to me that welker is the #1 in new england with a. hernandez the #2 option.

so it begs to question, is randy moss done or is new england just not interested in his act anymore?

 

[Choke]

Against some teams Hernandez may actually be the main mismatch.

(This is sans the quick white guy midgets)

 

[Dr. No]

good topic, i almost started it.

tonight is a bad scenario with the team not needing much offense due to the special teams.

but it is both unreal and sick that moss isn't targeted more.

Has he lost a step, is he back to his "not trying" ways from Oakland, or what.

If I was controlling the Pats offense, unless there's something wrong with moss i'm forcing 8-10 targets to him per game to see if something happens.. unless a team is tripling him which opens it up wide for the rest of the team.

or tom brady is racist and only targeting whites now.

 

[Babu Bhatt2]

He'll come around.

 

[midnight_green81]

One game doesn't make a season....

 

[CaptainHook]

Racism

 

[Novice2]

tom brady is racist and only targeting whites now.

This

 

[Dr. No]

One game doesn't make a season....

forget the TD's... 9 catches in 4 games is terrible.that indicates either a dropoff in skill, change in offensive scheme, or Brady isn't feeding him anymore due to spite/racism

 

[cvnpoka]

ya hes proly done

 

[kencav]

it seems very clear to me that welker is the #1 in new england with a. hernandez the #2 option.so it begs to question, is randy moss done or is new england just not interested in his act anymore?

His act has nothing to do with the Patriots game plan. They like GB,NO,INDI and even MIA(how many balls has Marshall caught) will throw to the open man in 1 on 1 coverage.Coaches dont hold grudges when they want to win- only FF team owners do!

 

[cstu]

good topic, i almost started it.tonight is a bad scenario with the team not needing much offense due to the special teams.but it is both unreal and sick that moss isn't targeted more.Has he lost a step, is he back to his "not trying" ways from Oakland, or what.If I was controlling the Pats offense, unless there's something wrong with moss i'm forcing 8-10 targets to him per game to see if something happens.. unless a team is tripling him which opens it up wide for the rest of the team.or tom brady is racist and only targeting whites now.

One possibility is that he's being covered by Miami's best corner and Brady is able to find other people open a lot more.

 

[Dr. No]

One possibility is that he's being covered by Miami's best corner and Brady is able to find other people open a lot more.

not good enough. if moss is still a premium talent they should force it to him and allow him to make something happen.which of course won't happen now that they have a huge lead.he won't get more than 1 catch tonight

 

[CaptainHook]

moss always has a lot of stinkers fyi. probly nothin to get too concerned over.

no reason to force it to the guy if his mere presence has caused the defense to open up gaping holes elsewhere

 

[Dr. No]

moss always has a lot of stinkers fyi. probly nothin to get too concerned over. no reason to force it to the guy if his mere presence has caused the defense to open up gaping holes elsewhere

the problem is that at this point I honestly don't know whether he's being blanketed and is really helping the team by being a decoy, or if he's lost it

 

[Daywalker]

Thread after thread like this now in the Shark Pool. It's becoming amateur hour around here.

Could the moderator take some liberties and just delete, not lock, threads like these so I don't have to look at them as they clutter the page.

 

[njherdfan]

One possibility is that he's being covered by Miami's best corner and Brady is able to find other people open a lot more.

not good enough. if moss is still a premium talent they should force it to him and allow him to make something happen.which of course won't happen now that they have a huge lead.he won't get more than 1 catch tonight

Not if the Pats assume their 2nd and 3rd options are better than their Dolphins counterparts, which is clearly the case. Looking at this from a realistic, not fantasy, perspective, why would the Pats coaches want to force passes to Moss when they can get points without doing so?

 

[Banger]

Thread after thread like this now in the Shark Pool. It's becoming amateur hour around here.Could the moderator take some liberties and just delete, not lock, threads like these so I don't have to look at them as they clutter the page.

was thinking the same thing. It's ridiculous already.

 

[packersfan]

The last time Randy Moss had a three-game stretch where he caught two passes or fewer in every game was ...

Never.

 

[cstu]

moss always has a lot of stinkers fyi. probly nothin to get too concerned over. no reason to force it to the guy if his mere presence has caused the defense to open up gaping holes elsewhere

the problem is that at this point I honestly don't know whether he's being blanketed and is really helping the team by being a decoy, or if he's lost it

You'll know he's done when he doesn't get the opposing team's #1 CB the whole game.

 

[CaptainHook]

The last time Randy Moss had a three-game stretch where he caught two passes or fewer in every game was ...Never.

of course he did have a stretch of 3 2 1 last year but that wouldnt be worth mentioning

 

[glong989]

One possibility is that he's being covered by Miami's best corner and Brady is able to find other people open a lot more.

not good enough. if moss is still a premium talent they should force it to him and allow him to make something happen.which of course won't happen now that they have a huge lead.he won't get more than 1 catch tonight

HA, Brady and the coaching don't care about whether or not you own their WR in fantasy football. They take what the D gives them. Why "force" it to him when you have Welker, Hernandez and even Woodhead open tonight. Did you just see that breakdown of his TD? Moss and Welker doubled up and Brady finds Woodhead for the TD in single coverage. You never force it to someone when you don't have to. He's in a good offense with a QB who spreads it around and finds open guys. That's part of the risk with drafting him, Jennings, Wayne, Colston, and other WRs with great QBs and great offensive schemes. They aren't going to always be consistent. I'm guessing you were down by about 10-15 tonight and though he was a lock to get you the W and now he isn't even startable because he didn't come up big..

 

[Football Critic]

Am I the only one who remembers him blowing out Revis' hammy to make a 1 handed catch just a few weeks ago....oh yeah, he made it look like childs play too. Next week he will catch 2 or 3.

 

[hook014]

In the games I've watched Randy hasn't shown any fire and seems to be taking plays off again. In the MNF game thread someone posted that he's slacking and telegraphing run plays. While he hasn't done it all night i've seen some and that's enough.

He's only got a few (maybe 2) years of elite production left IMO. And Kraft is stonewalling him on a new contract pending the new CBA. He started complaining about it weeks ago and if he goes public you know it's really bothering him.

No amount of production from Brady can make up for a lack of a good contract and Brady knows it so the pouting will continue. Unless something is done at the upper levels of the Pats this is the Moss we're gonna see this year.

When he has a new contract in hand we'll see the real (motivated) Moss.

 

[Dought Man]

Yeah, GREAT point. I should probably start a separate thread on another topic.. is Tom Brady done as a fantasy starter? 1 TD tonight? Throwing to a bunch of midgets. Clearly Green Ellis and the D/ST are where the Patriots bread is buttered, season in and season out.

 

[packersfan]

Am I the only one who remembers him blowing out Revis' hammy to make a 1 handed catch just a few weeks ago....oh yeah, he made it look like childs play too. Next week he will catch 2 or 3.

He'll have zero next week. I guarantee it.

 

[Gopher State]

it seems very clear to me that welker is the #1 in new england with a. hernandez the #2 option.so it begs to question, is randy moss done or is new england just not interested in his act anymore?

One game does not make or break a stud GRASSHOPPER

 

[Dr. No]

Am I the only one who remembers him blowing out Revis' hammy to make a 1 handed catch just a few weeks ago....oh yeah, he made it look like childs play too. Next week he will catch 2 or 3.

He'll have zero next week. I guarantee it.

i'm sure he'll have at least 1 catch next week. not a TD, just "a" catch

 

[Dr. No]

Am I the only one who remembers him blowing out Revis' hammy to make a 1 handed catch just a few weeks ago....oh yeah, he made it look like childs play too. Next week he will catch 2 or 3.

it was an out of shape revis. and it was one catch. big deal.he's sucked and he's taking off plays and has Oakland era-style body language

 

[hook014]

Am I the only one who remembers him blowing out Revis' hammy to make a 1 handed catch just a few weeks ago....oh yeah, he made it look like childs play too. Next week he will catch 2 or 3.

it was an out of shape revis. and it was one catch. big deal.he's sucked and he's taking off plays and has Oakland era-style body language

That's what I'm seeing too. disclaimer: I dont own Moss in any league.

 

[bulger2holt]

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy and team.

 

[sho nuff]

it seems very clear to me that welker is the #1 in new england with a. hernandez the #2 option.so it begs to question, is randy moss done or is new england just not interested in his act anymore?

One game does not make or break a stud GRASSHOPPER

How about 4 games?I don't think he is done...but he has been far from putting up consistent numbers worthy of his draft position so far.He has the TDs which are the only thing keeping him alive. Tonight...0 points. This is like Jennings last year.

 

[cstu]

Am I the only one who remembers him blowing out Revis' hammy to make a 1 handed catch just a few weeks ago....oh yeah, he made it look like childs play too. Next week he will catch 2 or 3.

it was an out of shape revis. and it was one catch. big deal.he's sucked and he's taking off plays and has Oakland era-style body language

That's what I'm seeing too. disclaimer: I dont own Moss in any league.

Alright, I'm convinced and won't be starting him next week.

 

[gianmarco]

Am I the only one who remembers him blowing out Revis' hammy to make a 1 handed catch just a few weeks ago....oh yeah, he made it look like childs play too. Next week he will catch 2 or 3.

He'll have zero next week. I guarantee it.

i'm sure he'll have at least 1 catch next week. not a TD, just "a" catch

I'm 100% certain he won't.

 

[Dr. No]

I'm 100% certain he won't.

oh aren't you awesome with your bye week shtick.don't you think i meant the PATRIOTS next game... not physically next week

 

[packersfan]

This is a legit topic of discussion in my opinion. Moss was a late first/early second-round pick in most leagues. Assuming he doesn't catch a pass tonight he will be on pace for 36 receptions this season which is fewer than even his worst seasons in Oakland. In addition to the three-game stretch stat I posted earlier here are some more stats to look at:

He has had only four targets the past two weeks (again assuming no receptions or targets in the final six minutes tonight).

He has been held under 60 yards receiving in every game this season and hasn't topped 75 yards receiving in his last 11 dating back to last season.

This isn't a one-game sample. There are some disturbing stats dating back to last season and the fact is the majority of this season Moss has not been heavily involved in the New England passing game. He now ranks fourth on the team in receptions and he ranks outside the Top 50 in the league in receptions. All of that seems to make this a very legitimate topic of discussion in my opinion, especially since the season is now at the quarter pole.

Things could certainly change but I do think it's legit to talk about whether Moss has begun to fade from a fantasy perspective. How many other Top 5-10 WRs heading into this season are on pace for 36 receptions and have caught only four passes in 75% of their team's games so far this season?

 

[Choke]

Am I the only one who remembers him blowing out Revis' hammy to make a 1 handed catch just a few weeks ago....oh yeah, he made it look like childs play too. Next week he will catch 2 or 3.

He'll have zero next week. I guarantee it.

i'm sure he'll have at least 1 catch next week. not a TD, just "a" catch

I'm 100% certain he won't.

easy money.

 

[KGB]

good topic, i almost started it.

tonight is a bad scenario with the team not needing much offense due to the special teams.

but it is both unreal and sick that moss isn't targeted more.

Has he lost a step, is he back to his "not trying" ways from Oakland, or what.

If I was controlling the Pats offense, unless there's something wrong with moss i'm forcing 8-10 targets to him per game to see if something happens.. unless a team is tripling him which opens it up wide for the rest of the team.

or tom brady is racist and only targeting whites now.

 

[packersfan]

Tonight...0 points. This is like Jennings last year.

Jennings never had a three-game stretch this bad in terms of receptions last season. Moss has never had one in his entire career. This is unprecedented territory for Moss and I think his owners (and yes I'm one of them) have good reason to be very concerned right now. Four receptions in three games? 0 catches in one game? That's WR6 territory.

 

[Late225]

Seems like a bad fantasy week for any player named Moss. Can't you make the same argument about Santana this week?

I don't agree with the argument and would welcome a trade for (either) Moss if he's undervalued right now.

 

[hook014]

This is a legit topic of discussion in my opinion. Moss was a late first/early second-round pick in most leagues. Assuming he doesn't catch a pass tonight he will be on pace for 36 receptions this season which is fewer than even his worst seasons in Oakland. In addition to the three-game stretch stat I posted earlier here are some more stats to look at:

He has had only four targets the past two weeks (again assuming no receptions or targets in the final six minutes tonight).

He has been held under 60 yards receiving in every game this season and hasn't topped 75 yards receiving in his last 11 dating back to last season.

This isn't a one-game sample. There are some disturbing stats dating back to last season and the fact is the majority of this season Moss has not been heavily involved in the New England passing game. He now ranks fourth on the team in receptions and he ranks outside the Top 50 in the league in receptions. All of that seems to make this a very legitimate topic of discussion in my opinion, especially since the season is now at the quarter pole.

Things could certainly change but I do think it's legit to talk about whether Moss has begun to fade from a fantasy perspective. How many other Top 5-10 WRs heading into this season are on pace for 36 receptions and have caught only four passes in 75% of their team's games so far this season?

It's the contract issue and this will come out during the offseason. Moss is a beast and everyone knows it.

This is playing out like the "North Dallas Forty" movie. "When I call it a game, you call it a business! When I call it a business, you call it a game!"

It's a business with a disgruntled employee. Someone will make him less gruntled.

 

[packersfan]

Seems like a bad fantasy week for any player named Moss. Can't you make the same argument about Santana this week?

Not really. Santana had caught at least six passes in every game before yesterday. Moss had only topped two receptions in a game once. Tonight's game was the continuation of a trend for Randy Moss and it's a disturbing one for Moss owners.

 

[cvnpoka]

Thread after thread like this now in the Shark Pool. It's becoming amateur hour around here.Could the moderator take some liberties and just delete, not lock, threads like these so I don't have to look at them as they clutter the page.

seriously this.forum has grown so much the last couple year that there needs to be added vigilance to raise the level of discussion.

 

[chedha]

tom brady is racist and only targeting whites now.

LOL

 

[scott72]

Thread after thread like this now in the Shark Pool. It's becoming amateur hour around here.Could the moderator take some liberties and just delete, not lock, threads like these so I don't have to look at them as they clutter the page.

 

[joffer]

thread pretty much guarantees a great rest of the season for Moss

TIA

 

[moderated]

needed 1 point out of moss unreal

 

[THE SNOWMAN]

needed 1 point out of moss unreal

 

[Manster]

it seems very clear to me that welker is the #1 in new england with a. hernandez the #2 option.

so it begs to question, is randy moss done or is new england just not interested in his act anymore?

NO. Moss woulda got his had the Pats D not controlled the 2nd half. nothing to see here.

 

[Zackattack]

Am I the only one who remembers him blowing out Revis' hammy to make a 1 handed catch just a few weeks ago....oh yeah, he made it look like childs play too. Next week he will catch 2 or 3.

He'll have zero next week. I guarantee it.

i'm sure he'll have at least 1 catch next week. not a TD, just "a" catch

I will put $100 on him getting shut out. He is washed up.

 

[Tigerbot Hesh]

I would be curious to see how the red zone passes have been split up among NE players so far this year. Offhand, I'd guess Welker has more RZ attempts than Moss does, and usually it's the other way around.