King of the Wolfies
Footballguy
Speculation on AOL is that Rattay might be promoted to starter. I hope the guy gets the chance because he has more talent than some starters, and doesnt deserve to be 3rd string in TB.
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Is Rattay to be named starter? (1 Viewer)
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Gr00vus
Footballguy
I don't think he could do worse than Gradkowski. Then again with that offensive line, he might not do much better either. As a Joey Galloway owner I'd be happy to see them try anything though - I'd love to see an attempt at invoking the ghosts of Billy Volek and Drew Bennett.
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BeTheMatch
Footballguy
With all the issues TB has had at QB, I've always wondered why they didn't at least give Rattay a shot. I didn't think he was as bad in SF as some people made him out to be.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
I agree dude should get a shot.
jonessed
Footballguy
He actually did a pretty damn good job all considering. SF was rebuilding though and it made sense to rebuild with Alex since they considered him the future. I think Rattay could be a starting NFL QB if given the chance
ExtraPoint
Footballguy
And if Tamp is rebuilding with Gradowski, it makes sense to continue to keep Rattay benched. However, Gradowski might not be considered the future in Tampa or anywhere else. He was a longshot who has overperformed, but that doesnt make him a star. If Rattay does get the start, this tells us all we need to know about Gradowski's future.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
The word overperformed called - he wants you to stop using him in sentences where he doesn't belong.
jonessed
Footballguy
Only time will tell if he had "overperformed" and now has come back to earth or if he has simply hit a slump, but it's what makes this a possibility. The Bucs don't have the money invested in Gradowski that SF had invested in Alex Smith (and obviously he wasn't graded nearly as high). I honestly don't think they have anything to lose here.
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MLBrandow
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This is the first I have heard, but if he is... bump Cadillac up tremendously...
I would likely have one of those 'Black Hole Sun' grins if Gradkowski were put back on the bench. I can't even watch Bucs games anymore because he makes me cry.
I would likely have one of those 'Black Hole Sun' grins if Gradkowski were put back on the bench. I can't even watch Bucs games anymore because he makes me cry.
ExtraPoint
Footballguy
Dont forget Rattay's injuries. Throwing arm injuries often lead to benching (sometimes permanent) or retirement. Tim Couch and Ryan Leaf might still be hanging out on an NFL bench if it werent for injuries. Sometimes they recover enough (Pennington/Brees), sometimes they dont. I'm pretty sure Rattay was third string for a reason. Maybe he can still make a more effective interim than Gradowski, but it seems he will have gotten the job by default.
Capella
Footballguy
Sure they do. He won't be on the team next year, so it would be wasting evaluation time and experience on Gradkowski. One way or the other, they need to figure out if he will be a part of the puzzle next year.Starting Rattay would be a huge waste of time.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
Has Simms accepted their contract offer? I didn't think he had. If they're not sure if he'll sign, maybe they're going to Plan B and will give Rattay a few games to see if he's worth re-signing. Yes? No?
3C's
Footballguy
Not yet.
Per AP via Yahoo:
Buccaneers
Jon Gruden is sticking with rookie quarterback Bruce Gradkowski.
The Tampa Bay coach reiterated Monday that the sixth-round draft pick is not the only reason the Buccaneers (3-9) have the NFL's lowest scoring offense and are assured of finishing with their third losing record in the past four seasons.
Gradkowski has lost six of nine starts since taking over for the injured Chris Simms and has thrown for nine touchdowns and nine interceptions, including three picks in Sunday's 20-3 loss at Pittsburgh.
The Bucs, who've scored a league-low 145 points, avoided being shut out for the second time by kicking a field goal on the final play.
"I don't forsee a quarterback change, although if we continue to throw interceptions it will be a change we obviously need to make," Gruden said.
"There are some things Bruce did well in the game. There are some things he obviously didn't do well. We had five balls dropped, some game-changing drops. We've got to play a lot better as an offensive football team."
Per AP via Yahoo:
Buccaneers
Jon Gruden is sticking with rookie quarterback Bruce Gradkowski.
The Tampa Bay coach reiterated Monday that the sixth-round draft pick is not the only reason the Buccaneers (3-9) have the NFL's lowest scoring offense and are assured of finishing with their third losing record in the past four seasons.
Gradkowski has lost six of nine starts since taking over for the injured Chris Simms and has thrown for nine touchdowns and nine interceptions, including three picks in Sunday's 20-3 loss at Pittsburgh.
The Bucs, who've scored a league-low 145 points, avoided being shut out for the second time by kicking a field goal on the final play.
"I don't forsee a quarterback change, although if we continue to throw interceptions it will be a change we obviously need to make," Gruden said.
"There are some things Bruce did well in the game. There are some things he obviously didn't do well. We had five balls dropped, some game-changing drops. We've got to play a lot better as an offensive football team."
5Rings
Lurker
You gotta be kidding. The guy is garbage. He has not business being in the NFL, let alone being on an active roster and dreaming about being on the field.Worst QB I've seen wear a "SF" jersey since Scott Bull...and that includes Stenstrom and DeBerg.
How do I really feel?
He's a spineless quitter who melts under pressure. His 4th quarter meltdowns are the stuff of "legend".
He's taken his licks, IMO it'd be fine to get him out of there. Ya gotta keep him having some confidence.Simms was a very highly rated prospect. Alot of people here said he'd choke near the end of the game but talent wise and knowledge of the game, he was real good compared to other rookie QBs. McKown's been there. Now Gradkowski. I'm beginning to wonder if Gruden can't develop a young QB, maybe it's just not his thing. His teams were best with old old QBs.
Wow I didn't expect Rattay's play to bring out this. I thought only "name" players could cause that.IMO he was average pretty quick, didn't take long for the young guy to be an average QB. I know alot of people that think average is his ceiling.
Worst QB I've seen wear a "SF" jersey since Scott Bull...and that includes Stenstrom and DeBerg.
How do I really feel?
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Rattay was nowhere near as bad as Druckenmiller.
Young 8
Footballguy
you forgot Ken DorseyRattay looks like Montana compare to him
Worst QB I've seen wear a "SF" jersey since Scott Bull...and that includes Stenstrom and DeBerg.
How do I really feel?
strong
Footballguy
Yeah, but on the flip side, starting Gradkowski is making it very difficult to evaluate every other offensive skill position...
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Rattay put up 24 TDs vs 18 INTs and nearly 4000 yards for a really bad team in the equivalent of about a season and a half. Never understood the hate for him.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Osaurus
Footballguy
I have nothing against Rattay and he may play well somewhere other than Tampa. What I have a problem with is why he has made $2,000,000 for hanging out on the sidelines for 2 years. The Bucs gave up some pics for him did they not? I swear they did. In any case, that 
could have been spent better.
could have been spent better.
zamboni
Footballguy
T Man
Footballguy
I too think Rattay should get a chance.
Sometimes "trial by fire" is good. And I think to a degree it has been good for Gradkowski.
However, sometimes getting your head beat in is not conducive to full development.
Let Gradkowski take a step back and see the game from the sideline again. Get him ready in the offseason to see if he can further develop.
In the meantime see what Rattay has left. Do you want to keep him or cut him (they still have Luke McCown - don't they)? Can he get you a late round draft pick in trade? These are quetions that he may be able to answer over the next few weeks while Gradkowski stands next to Gruden and takes it all in.
Of course, I sit here typing on a message board - and not coaching in the NFL so what do I know?
Sometimes "trial by fire" is good. And I think to a degree it has been good for Gradkowski.
However, sometimes getting your head beat in is not conducive to full development.
Let Gradkowski take a step back and see the game from the sideline again. Get him ready in the offseason to see if he can further develop.
In the meantime see what Rattay has left. Do you want to keep him or cut him (they still have Luke McCown - don't they)? Can he get you a late round draft pick in trade? These are quetions that he may be able to answer over the next few weeks while Gradkowski stands next to Gruden and takes it all in.
Of course, I sit here typing on a message board - and not coaching in the NFL so what do I know?
Schrute
Footballguy
bump
ewterReport.com reports Tampa Bay Buccaneers QB Tim Rattay will start at quarterback during Week 16.
taz
Footballguy
zamboni
Footballguy
As noted before, this should have been done a long time ago, and Rattay is not a bad QB. Performing like he did yesterday against the Bears DEF is evidence - if Gradowski stays in there, the game probably ends at 31-7 or worse.
kensat30
Footballguy
Rattay is better than both Gradkowski AND Simms IMO. Tampa made a big time mistake grooming rookie Gradkowski if they have Simms still in the picture anyways.
Seriously, what is the long term gain from starting Gradkowski this year? Yes we know it's a throw away season, but what is the point in getting a "high-potential" rookie QB beaten up and broken down like Patrick Ramsey was. There is no gain in that, not without the 100% backing of a long term coaching staff as the "long term answer at QB".
And The way things are going Gruden will be out of the picture sooner rather than later anyways. Their offense has one of the best young RBs in the league and they struggle to get him 10 carries a game! That is not the personnel, that is the coaching staff right there. The decision was made to go with a rookie and blow off 2006 very early. The team and the franchise need some sort of stabilizing presence at QB to get this thing turned around IMO. 2007 could easily be a repeat of 2006 6 games into the season if the QB play doesn't dramatically improve.
Rattay is a veteran. He played pretty well on a very poor team in San Francisco. Several QBs with lesser credentials than Rattay have been thrown into the mix and stuck in this league. And why not start him and see if the guy can actually play? 2006 is already lost. Gradkowski is officially a bust in the short term. I think it's painfully clear at this point that Gradkowski is just not ready to be a starter. And I think that Simms was at that point as well early in the season despite his decent play at the end of 2005. And with the surgery, who knows what Simms will be like in the future...
Seriously, what is the long term gain from starting Gradkowski this year? Yes we know it's a throw away season, but what is the point in getting a "high-potential" rookie QB beaten up and broken down like Patrick Ramsey was. There is no gain in that, not without the 100% backing of a long term coaching staff as the "long term answer at QB".
And The way things are going Gruden will be out of the picture sooner rather than later anyways. Their offense has one of the best young RBs in the league and they struggle to get him 10 carries a game! That is not the personnel, that is the coaching staff right there. The decision was made to go with a rookie and blow off 2006 very early. The team and the franchise need some sort of stabilizing presence at QB to get this thing turned around IMO. 2007 could easily be a repeat of 2006 6 games into the season if the QB play doesn't dramatically improve.
Rattay is a veteran. He played pretty well on a very poor team in San Francisco. Several QBs with lesser credentials than Rattay have been thrown into the mix and stuck in this league. And why not start him and see if the guy can actually play? 2006 is already lost. Gradkowski is officially a bust in the short term. I think it's painfully clear at this point that Gradkowski is just not ready to be a starter. And I think that Simms was at that point as well early in the season despite his decent play at the end of 2005. And with the surgery, who knows what Simms will be like in the future...
zamboni
Footballguy
Nicely said.
H.K.
Footballguy
Rattay Will Start
Posted By Katherine Smith at Dec 18, 2006 at 10:39 AM
Updated Dec 18, 2006 at 12:15 PM
Tim Rattay will start against the Cleveland Browns on Sunday.
Rattay replaces rookie quarterback Bruce Gradkowski, who has started every game since Chris Simms suffered a ruptured spleen in Week Three.
“It’s just common sense right now,” Coach Jon Gruden said. “It’s based on performance and who gives us the best chance to win right now.”
Rattay relieved Gradkowski in the overtime loss to Chicago yesterday. The veteran quarterback helped rally the team from 21 points down to force overtime.
REASON BEHIND THE SWITCH: Gruden decided Tim Rattay gives them the best chance to win right now, but why wasn’t he the best option earlier?
“I haven’t seen Bruce struggle to this degree,” Gruden said of the rookie.
Gradkowski’s played tentatively in the past couple of games, trying to walk that fine line with protecting the ball and playing aggressively and taking shots down the field. Against Chicago, and in previous games, Gradkowski failed to connect with a wide open Joey Galloway. Rattay connected with Galloway on one of the touchdowns the Bucs scored to force overtime.
“I think the best thing to do right now is go to Tim Rattay,” Gruden said.
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Posted By Katherine Smith at Dec 18, 2006 at 10:39 AM
Updated Dec 18, 2006 at 12:15 PM
Tim Rattay will start against the Cleveland Browns on Sunday.
Rattay replaces rookie quarterback Bruce Gradkowski, who has started every game since Chris Simms suffered a ruptured spleen in Week Three.
“It’s just common sense right now,” Coach Jon Gruden said. “It’s based on performance and who gives us the best chance to win right now.”
Rattay relieved Gradkowski in the overtime loss to Chicago yesterday. The veteran quarterback helped rally the team from 21 points down to force overtime.
REASON BEHIND THE SWITCH: Gruden decided Tim Rattay gives them the best chance to win right now, but why wasn’t he the best option earlier?
“I haven’t seen Bruce struggle to this degree,” Gruden said of the rookie.
Gradkowski’s played tentatively in the past couple of games, trying to walk that fine line with protecting the ball and playing aggressively and taking shots down the field. Against Chicago, and in previous games, Gradkowski failed to connect with a wide open Joey Galloway. Rattay connected with Galloway on one of the touchdowns the Bucs scored to force overtime.
“I think the best thing to do right now is go to Tim Rattay,” Gruden said.
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Capella
Footballguy
my opinion hasn't changed.Schrute said:bump
rattay is maybe a 5% longshot at being the starter next year. it's still a huge waste of time to start him, although he is obviously the much better option right now.Rattay was nowhere near as bad as Druckenmiller.Worst QB I've seen wear a "SF" jersey since Scott Bull...and that includes Stenstrom and DeBerg.
I almost forgot about Druckenmiller.I disagree completely Capella (my fellow Buc friend).
Gradkowski is not ready to be a starter that much is obvious. He constantly overthrows people and needs more time to study film and get his mechanics worked out.
Rattay was NOT bad on a bad SF team. He might end up as our starter next year and why not give him a chance to prove his worth in the next two games? Do you think Gradkowski will miraculasly change his game?
Gradkowski is not ready to be a starter that much is obvious. He constantly overthrows people and needs more time to study film and get his mechanics worked out.
Rattay was NOT bad on a bad SF team. He might end up as our starter next year and why not give him a chance to prove his worth in the next two games? Do you think Gradkowski will miraculasly change his game?
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MLBrandow
Guest
Is that a joke? Have you actually seen Gradkowski play?Yes Rattay is the starter.
Capella
Footballguy
No, I think Gradkowski is horrible.My point is, Gruden obviously doesn't either like or trust Rattay that much (hence a rookie getting 11 starts while he sits on the pine) and it doesn't appear he has much shot at all at being the starting QB next year, so it's really pointless to start him. So he goes out and leads the Bucs up the field a few times next week, big deal.I'm not really advocating starting Gradkowski, I just think it's a waste to run Rattay out there in week 16. If you were going to turn to him, it should've been done in week 3 when Simms got hurt.
Capella
Footballguy
thanks, scoop.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
You cant be serious, Capella. The Bears, at one point this year, were in the running for "greatest defense of all time." Rattay went out there with very average surrounding talent and marched right down the field in crunch time against that D. Might be the most impressive single performance I've seen this season.
Capella
Footballguy
they were?either way, that defense we saw yesterday wasn't the same defense as 10 weeks ago even. start looking at who they were missing for starters.besides, that's not the point.
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Gr00vus
Footballguy
Even so Gradkowski has looked darn awful for a while now - I think they'd actually be doing more harm than good running him out there again. Let him sit, give him an offseason to recover and hopefully learn from this experience, and see what he's got again next preseason. He has a couple more games like he's been having and you could do some mental/psychological/bad habit type damage that it'll take a while to correct, if ever. I'd also imagine it would be tough for the other players going out there with negative confidence in their starting QB which I'd have to believe is the case right now with Gradkowski.I doubt they're looking at Rattay as the long term answer here, I think they're just cutting their losses and maybe seeing if Rattay is worth retaining as a backup.
Schrute
Footballguy
Wait. I'm confused. First you said he won't be on the team next year. Now you say he has a 5% chance of being the starter. Wouldn't he have to be on the team next year to be the starter?my opinion hasn't changed.Schrute said:bump
Capella
Footballguy
What's confusing. My view of the situation (primarily, Simms hedging on re-signing and Gradkowski getting worse) has changed in two weeks. Now if Simms walks (which I didn't think would happen) maybe Rattay will stay. Your opinion of any situation has never changed over a period of a couple of weeks?Wait. I'm confused. First you said he won't be on the team next year. Now you say he has a 5% chance of being the starter. Wouldn't he have to be on the team next year to be the starter?my opinion hasn't changed.Schrute said:bump
Schrute
Footballguy
You just said your opinion hasn't changed. Now you say it has changed. It wasn't two weeks later, it was less than two hours later.What's confusing. My view of the situation (primarily, Simms hedging on re-signing and Gradkowski getting worse) has changed in two weeks. Now if Simms walks (which I didn't think would happen) maybe Rattay will stay. Your opinion of any situation has never changed over a period of a couple of weeks?Wait. I'm confused. First you said he won't be on the team next year. Now you say he has a 5% chance of being the starter. Wouldn't he have to be on the team next year to be the starter?my opinion hasn't changed.Schrute said:bumprattay is maybe a 5% longshot at being the starter next year. it's still a huge waste of time to start him, although he is obviously the much better option right now.
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King of the Wolfies
Footballguy
I'm just happy that Rattay is getting a chance.
