Is RGIII overrated? (1 Viewer)

[EBF]

In 2010, Cam Newton dominated his NCAA competition, won the Heisman, and became the #1 overall draft pick.

Despite that, he routinely fell outside the top 10 picks of 2011 rookie drafts and was disregarded as a redraft QB option.

In 2011, Robert Griffin dominated his NCAA competition, won the Heisman, and became the #2 overall draft pick.

He is almost unanimously considered a top 5 pick in 2012 rookie drafts and is being taken as a QB1 in some redraft leagues.

Why were these two players treated so differently as rookies despite having such similar profiles on paper?

It's pretty clear in hindsight that Newton was underrated by the FF community, but I also get the sense that maybe RGIII is being overrated precisely because Newton is so fresh in everyone's memory. A year ago the hyper-athletic #1 overall Heisman-winning QB was treated like a nobody in dynasty and redraft formats. Now a player with a very similar profile is being treated as a presumptive star. Has Cam Newton's success unfairly skewed expectations for RGIII, or is RGIII simply that good?

IMO it's a bit of both. I actually like Griffin and I think Washington was smart to make the aggressive move to acquire a potential long term star at QB, but I also feel like Newton's success and the overall performance of QBs last season has made RGIII slightly overvalued this year, particularly in redraft leagues. Cam's rookie year was probably the best ever by a QB. I don't expect Griffin to have the same success running the ball, so if he's going to live up to his FF hype immediately then he'll have to be a very good passer right away. Is he really a good bet to come in and outplay guys like Cutler and Flacco as a rookie? I'd argue no. I've got no beef with taking him in the top 6 of a rookie draft, but I wouldn't touch him in a redraft league.

 

[Hoosier16]

and is being taken as a QB1 in some redraft leagues.

Really?

 

[Hoosier16]

RGIII slightly overvalued this year, particularly in redraft leagues.

If he's being taken in the top 5 QB (redraft), he's more than slightly overvalued.

 

[MAC_32]

and is being taken as a QB1 in some redraft leagues.

Really?

I'm in one of those keeper leagues in which you lose the draft position you selected the guy minus 3 rounds. RG3 went in the 6th (including kept QB's he was #12 off the board), I got Luck in the 9th (16th QB off the board).I think both will be special, but give the nudge to Luck. RG3's ceiling is a notch higher, but Luck's is very high himself and his floor is much, much higher.

 

[Hoosier16]

and is being taken as a QB1 in some redraft leagues.

Really?

I'm in one of those keeper leagues in which you lose the draft position you selected the guy minus 3 rounds. RG3 went in the 6th (including kept QB's he was #12 off the board), I got Luck in the 9th (16th QB off the board).I think both will be special, but give the nudge to Luck. RG3's ceiling is a notch higher, but Luck's is very high himself and his floor is much, much higher.

I can buy 12-16, but QB1 has to be a typo.ETA:

Does he mean rookie QB1 in a redraft?

 

[FDC]

My gut is saying bust. I fear pocket presence issues.

Hope I'm wrong I really like him. I have been wrong before and will be wrong again...

 

[lbouchard]

His rushing ability is overrated IMO, which is making him slightly overrated. Obviously, he's built nowhere like Newton and so is unlikely to ever hit double digit TDs. He's built much more closely to Vick. However, Vick is a special runner, probably the best ever at the QB spot. RGIII is track fast, and football fast, but he's nowhere near as elusive and instinctive as Vick is as a runner.

 

[Ilov80s]

There are already threads on RG3 that cover this quite well. I will quote my analysis from one of them:

If RG3 is the runner he appears (comparable to Vick more than Newton). Over a full season, he should put together about 700 yards. Vick's rushing TDs have always been all over the map, so a fair conservative estimate for RG3 is 3 rushing TDs. That is an extra 5.5 fantasy points per game. Looking at one of my leagues (4 for pa TD, 1 pt per 20 yards passing), we can see how this rushing will help his fantasy value. Last year, Curtis Painter was an awful QB that had almost no fantasy value. He He averaged just 12.4 points per game, 40th among all QBs last year. So if RG3 is the passing trainwreck that was Curtis Painter, we still get a QB averaging about 17.2 points per game which is the same exact number as Flacco and about 20th among QBs. That takes him from useless to viable bye week guy.Ponder was a pretty average rookie QB. He was ok. He didn't stink it up, but nobody is rushing out to get this guy in redraft leagues. If RG3 is the so-so QB Ponder was last year, that is about 15 ppg and 33rd amongst QBs. If we add on RG3 projected rushing stats, it turns into 19.4 which puts him ahead of Fitzpatrick and a little below Big Ben at 15th overall. Now we are talking about a very good back-up QB, a QB1 in a big league. Andy Dalton was a really strong rookie QB. He played better than people expected and was relevant in fantasy football. He was solid, but not spectacular. If RG3 can match what Dalton did in the air, it would 21 ppg which would have been 10th last year, behind Romo and ahead of Sanchez. So if you believe that RG3 can be ok for a rookie and is the real deal threat on the ground, he definitely presents a nice opportunity to get a late QB value.

 

[SayWhat?]

and is being taken as a QB1 in some redraft leagues.

Really?

I'm in one of those keeper leagues in which you lose the draft position you selected the guy minus 3 rounds. RG3 went in the 6th (including kept QB's he was #12 off the board), I got Luck in the 9th (16th QB off the board).I think both will be special, but give the nudge to Luck. RG3's ceiling is a notch higher, but Luck's is very high himself and his floor is much, much higher.

I can buy 12-16, but QB1 has to be a typo.ETA:

Does he mean rookie QB1 in a redraft?

Why would RG3 finishing as a top 12 QB this season for redraft have to be a typo? With his scrambling ability, he easily has that type of upside. I'll gladly him over a Roethlisberger, Schaub, Cutler, etc.

 

[Ilov80s]

His rushing ability is overrated IMO, which is making him slightly overrated. Obviously, he's built nowhere like Newton and so is unlikely to ever hit double digit TDs. He's built much more closely to Vick. However, Vick is a special runner, probably the best ever at the QB spot. RGIII is track fast, and football fast, but he's nowhere near as elusive and instinctive as Vick is as a runner.

Vick is obviously the most similar player to RG3 that has ever played. IMO, I don't see much of a difference between the two. Both have blazing speed and big arms. Both have questions about size. Vick is more elusive, but RG3 is a smarter football player. I actually think RG3 being less elusive than Vick is a good thing. I don't want my QB (even if he is a scrambling QB) out there trying to juke and shake defenders. I want him to drop back and pass. If it isn't there, find a lane, run fast and slide/get out of bounds.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

and is being taken as a QB1 in some redraft leagues.

Really?

I'm in one of those keeper leagues in which you lose the draft position you selected the guy minus 3 rounds. RG3 went in the 6th (including kept QB's he was #12 off the board), I got Luck in the 9th (16th QB off the board).I think both will be special, but give the nudge to Luck. RG3's ceiling is a notch higher, but Luck's is very high himself and his floor is much, much higher.

I can buy 12-16, but QB1 has to be a typo.ETA:

Does he mean rookie QB1 in a redraft?

You can buy 12-16, but QB1 has to be a typo? How does that even make sense? QB12 in a 12 team league would be a QB1.Unless you thought he said THE QB1....or have no idea what a QB1 is.

 

[David Yudkin]

RGIII slightly overvalued this year, particularly in redraft leagues.

If he's being taken in the top 5 QB (redraft), he's more than slightly overvalued.

The initial post said Top 5 in 2012 ROOKIE drafts, ie for dynasty purposes.At MFL, his current ADP is QB12, it looks like there are a fair amount of owners that are willing to roll with him as their starting fantasy QB.

As far as the question in this thread, I would suggest that if Cam Newton did not exist and RGIII came to the NFL like Cam did last year, RGIII would be getting the cold shoulder and his ADP would be in the QB25-30 range like many other rookie QBs in previous fantasy seasons.

 

[Bo Skiboski]

 

[EBF]

His rushing ability is overrated IMO, which is making him slightly overrated. Obviously, he's built nowhere like Newton and so is unlikely to ever hit double digit TDs. He's built much more closely to Vick. However, Vick is a special runner, probably the best ever at the QB spot. RGIII is track fast, and football fast, but he's nowhere near as elusive and instinctive as Vick is as a runner.

This is pretty much my take. I don't think he's going to be the runner that Vick and Newton have been. Maybe he will run a lot as a rookie because he won't be totally comfortable staying in the pocket yet, but he's not as elusive as Vick and not nearly as rugged as Newton.For dynasty purposes, I disagree that his upside is higher than Luck's. Rodgers, Peyton, Brady, and Brees have traditionally been the best FF QBs in recent years. Most of them are not good runners. A QB's upside is mainly a matter of passing ability, and Luck seems to be just as good as RGIII in that category, if not better.

 

[MAC_32]

and is being taken as a QB1 in some redraft leagues.

Really?

I'm in one of those keeper leagues in which you lose the draft position you selected the guy minus 3 rounds. RG3 went in the 6th (including kept QB's he was #12 off the board), I got Luck in the 9th (16th QB off the board).I think both will be special, but give the nudge to Luck. RG3's ceiling is a notch higher, but Luck's is very high himself and his floor is much, much higher.

I can buy 12-16, but QB1 has to be a typo.ETA:

Does he mean rookie QB1 in a redraft?

Why would RG3 finishing as a top 12 QB this season for redraft have to be a typo? With his scrambling ability, he easily has that type of upside. I'll gladly him over a Roethlisberger, Schaub, Cutler, etc.

There's a difference between ending the season as the 12th best QB and being drafted as one. To justify being selected as the 12th best QB he needs to have a top 6-8 ceiling given his level of risk. Otherwise you're not making any profit on the pick, only assuming risk. Do you think he's capable of finishing just behind Cam and Stafford? I don't. Not this year anyway. I have Rivers ahead of him on a dyno and don't have any intentions on pursuing trading Rivers until at the earliest the offseason.

 

[MAC_32]

His rushing ability is overrated IMO, which is making him slightly overrated. Obviously, he's built nowhere like Newton and so is unlikely to ever hit double digit TDs. He's built much more closely to Vick. However, Vick is a special runner, probably the best ever at the QB spot. RGIII is track fast, and football fast, but he's nowhere near as elusive and instinctive as Vick is as a runner.

Vick is obviously the most similar player to RG3 that has ever played. IMO, I don't see much of a difference between the two. Both have blazing speed and big arms. Both have questions about size. Vick is more elusive, but RG3 is a smarter football player. I actually think RG3 being less elusive than Vick is a good thing. I don't want my QB (even if he is a scrambling QB) out there trying to juke and shake defenders. I want him to drop back and pass. If it isn't there, find a lane, run fast and slide/get out of bounds.

Vick and RG3 aren't similar QB's. Athlete, yes. QB, no. RG3 throws first then runs. Vick's had to learn to throw, it's been a long process, he's still not completely there imho.

 

[ponchsox]

I think RG3 is going to be a better passer than Vick. RG3's runs are usually designed or bootleg types. Vick scrambles in the pocket until he finds an open man or else he takes off.

 

[Abspara]

Maybe he should of been a reciever?

 

[Ilov80s]

His rushing ability is overrated IMO, which is making him slightly overrated. Obviously, he's built nowhere like Newton and so is unlikely to ever hit double digit TDs. He's built much more closely to Vick. However, Vick is a special runner, probably the best ever at the QB spot. RGIII is track fast, and football fast, but he's nowhere near as elusive and instinctive as Vick is as a runner.

Vick is obviously the most similar player to RG3 that has ever played. IMO, I don't see much of a difference between the two. Both have blazing speed and big arms. Both have questions about size. Vick is more elusive, but RG3 is a smarter football player. I actually think RG3 being less elusive than Vick is a good thing. I don't want my QB (even if he is a scrambling QB) out there trying to juke and shake defenders. I want him to drop back and pass. If it isn't there, find a lane, run fast and slide/get out of bounds.

Vick and RG3 aren't similar QB's. Athlete, yes. QB, no. RG3 throws first then runs. Vick's had to learn to throw, it's been a long process, he's still not completely there imho.

So who is the QB most similar to RG3 then?

 

[MAC_32]

His rushing ability is overrated IMO, which is making him slightly overrated. Obviously, he's built nowhere like Newton and so is unlikely to ever hit double digit TDs. He's built much more closely to Vick. However, Vick is a special runner, probably the best ever at the QB spot. RGIII is track fast, and football fast, but he's nowhere near as elusive and instinctive as Vick is as a runner.

Vick is obviously the most similar player to RG3 that has ever played. IMO, I don't see much of a difference between the two. Both have blazing speed and big arms. Both have questions about size. Vick is more elusive, but RG3 is a smarter football player. I actually think RG3 being less elusive than Vick is a good thing. I don't want my QB (even if he is a scrambling QB) out there trying to juke and shake defenders. I want him to drop back and pass. If it isn't there, find a lane, run fast and slide/get out of bounds.

Vick and RG3 aren't similar QB's. Athlete, yes. QB, no. RG3 throws first then runs. Vick's had to learn to throw, it's been a long process, he's still not completely there imho.

So who is the QB most similar to RG3 then?

Russell Wilson, only 3" taller. I don't think there's anyone in the league like those two. Not every prospect needs a veteran comp, sometimes there isn't one.

 

[pghrob]

His rushing ability is overrated IMO, which is making him slightly overrated. Obviously, he's built nowhere like Newton and so is unlikely to ever hit double digit TDs. He's built much more closely to Vick. However, Vick is a special runner, probably the best ever at the QB spot. RGIII is track fast, and football fast, but he's nowhere near as elusive and instinctive as Vick is as a runner.

This is pretty much my take. I don't think he's going to be the runner that Vick and Newton have been. Maybe he will run a lot as a rookie because he won't be totally comfortable staying in the pocket yet, but he's not as elusive as Vick and not nearly as rugged as Newton.For dynasty purposes, I disagree that his upside is higher than Luck's. Rodgers, Peyton, Brady, and Brees have traditionally been the best FF QBs in recent years. Most of them are not good runners. A QB's upside is mainly a matter of passing ability, and Luck seems to be just as good as RGIII in that category, if not better.

AR12 has shown to be a fairly good qb on the run. Size wise, he and RGIII are almost identical with of course RGIII having more running speed.Greg Cosell of NFL Films fame gave the nod to RGIII as a slightly better natural passer/qb than Luck. So Luck was heralded by many as the next great qb ala Elway or Manning & yet Cosell says RGIII looks better.Based on all this, with AR12 being as phenomenal as he is and the size comps and prospective reviews of RGIII translatable talent at the pro level, I see no reason why he should not be deserving hype. That noted, it would be premature to draft him as a first quarterback in redraft leagues.Like Aaron Rodgers, he will need time to acclimate to the pro game.

 

[Bo Skiboski]

And waste that cannon?

 

[EBF]

Greg Cosell of NFL Films fame gave the nod to RGIII as a slightly better natural passer/qb than Luck. So Luck was heralded by many as the next great qb ala Elway or Manning & yet Cosell says RGIII looks better.

The Colts have more scouting resources than Greg Cosell. Not that I don't respect his opinion, but he's just one guy. Just because he says something doesn't make it true. There are clearly a lot of people who would disagree with his assessment.I don't want to turn this into a Luck/Griffin debate. That's not the point of this thread. I like Griffin as a dynasty prospect and I'm optimistic about his future, but I wouldn't want him leading my FF team into battle this season.

 

[Ilov80s]

His rushing ability is overrated IMO, which is making him slightly overrated. Obviously, he's built nowhere like Newton and so is unlikely to ever hit double digit TDs. He's built much more closely to Vick. However, Vick is a special runner, probably the best ever at the QB spot. RGIII is track fast, and football fast, but he's nowhere near as elusive and instinctive as Vick is as a runner.

Vick is obviously the most similar player to RG3 that has ever played. IMO, I don't see much of a difference between the two. Both have blazing speed and big arms. Both have questions about size. Vick is more elusive, but RG3 is a smarter football player. I actually think RG3 being less elusive than Vick is a good thing. I don't want my QB (even if he is a scrambling QB) out there trying to juke and shake defenders. I want him to drop back and pass. If it isn't there, find a lane, run fast and slide/get out of bounds.

Vick and RG3 aren't similar QB's. Athlete, yes. QB, no. RG3 throws first then runs. Vick's had to learn to throw, it's been a long process, he's still not completely there imho.

So who is the QB most similar to RG3 then?

Russell Wilson, only 3" taller. I don't think there's anyone in the league like those two. Not every prospect needs a veteran comp, sometimes there isn't one.

I don't think Russel Wilson is anywhere near the athlete Vick is. I do agree to a point that there hasn't been a player quite like RG3. I might see him as a hybrid of Vick and McNabb. Better passer than Vick, better athlete than McNabb.

 

[Sidewinder16]

So who is the QB most similar to RG3 then?

Rookie John Elway.

 

[pghrob]

Greg Cosell of NFL Films fame gave the nod to RGIII as a slightly better natural passer/qb than Luck. So Luck was heralded by many as the next great qb ala Elway or Manning & yet Cosell says RGIII looks better.

The Colts have more scouting resources than Greg Cosell. Not that I don't respect his opinion, but he's just one guy. Just because he says something doesn't make it true. There are clearly a lot of people who would disagree with his assessment.I don't want to turn this into a Luck/Griffin debate. That's not the point of this thread. I like Griffin as a dynasty prospect and I'm optimistic about his future, but I wouldn't want him leading my FF team into battle this season.

Agreed. In redraft I would avoid both Luck and RGIII as my QB1. If people think either can replicate what Newton did as a rookie last year, they are taking too big a risk.

 

[cr8f]

I think Wilson has looked better and in some leagues went before Luck who seems clearly better now.

His rushing ability is overrated IMO, which is making him slightly overrated. Obviously, he's built nowhere like Newton and so is unlikely to ever hit double digit TDs. He's built much more closely to Vick. However, Vick is a special runner, probably the best ever at the QB spot. RGIII is track fast, and football fast, but he's nowhere near as elusive and instinctive as Vick is as a runner.

Vick is obviously the most similar player to RG3 that has ever played. IMO, I don't see much of a difference between the two. Both have blazing speed and big arms. Both have questions about size. Vick is more elusive, but RG3 is a smarter football player. I actually think RG3 being less elusive than Vick is a good thing. I don't want my QB (even if he is a scrambling QB) out there trying to juke and shake defenders. I want him to drop back and pass. If it isn't there, find a lane, run fast and slide/get out of bounds.

Vick and RG3 aren't similar QB's. Athlete, yes. QB, no. RG3 throws first then runs. Vick's had to learn to throw, it's been a long process, he's still not completely there imho.

So who is the QB most similar to RG3 then?

Russell Wilson, only 3" taller. I don't think there's anyone in the league like those two. Not every prospect needs a veteran comp, sometimes there isn't one.

I don't think Russel Wilson is anywhere near the athlete Vick is. I do agree to a point that there hasn't been a player quite like RG3. I might see him as a hybrid of Vick and McNabb. Better passer than Vick, better athlete than McNabb.

No and not as fast as RG3. Not sure about being a better passer than Vick. He hasn't looked accurate just yet.

 

[squistion]

So who is the QB most similar to RG3 then?

Fran Tarkenton. That is why I picked up RG3 in 3 Dynasty leagues. Tarkenton was not really a running QB (as some contend) but rather a scrambling QB who used his legs to buy him time and he had pinpoint accuracy on his deep throws. I see the same qualities in RG3 and did not take him in my leagues having anything to do with the success of Cam Newton last year. I think the analogies to Newton, Vick or even Culpepper are off the mark.

 

[Ilov80s]

I think Wilson has looked better and in some leagues went before Luck who seems clearly better now.

His rushing ability is overrated IMO, which is making him slightly overrated. Obviously, he's built nowhere like Newton and so is unlikely to ever hit double digit TDs. He's built much more closely to Vick. However, Vick is a special runner, probably the best ever at the QB spot. RGIII is track fast, and football fast, but he's nowhere near as elusive and instinctive as Vick is as a runner.

Vick is obviously the most similar player to RG3 that has ever played. IMO, I don't see much of a difference between the two. Both have blazing speed and big arms. Both have questions about size. Vick is more elusive, but RG3 is a smarter football player. I actually think RG3 being less elusive than Vick is a good thing. I don't want my QB (even if he is a scrambling QB) out there trying to juke and shake defenders. I want him to drop back and pass. If it isn't there, find a lane, run fast and slide/get out of bounds.

Vick and RG3 aren't similar QB's. Athlete, yes. QB, no. RG3 throws first then runs. Vick's had to learn to throw, it's been a long process, he's still not completely there imho.

So who is the QB most similar to RG3 then?

Russell Wilson, only 3" taller. I don't think there's anyone in the league like those two. Not every prospect needs a veteran comp, sometimes there isn't one.

I don't think Russel Wilson is anywhere near the athlete Vick is. I do agree to a point that there hasn't been a player quite like RG3. I might see him as a hybrid of Vick and McNabb. Better passer than Vick, better athlete than McNabb.

No and not as fast as RG3. Not sure about being a better passer than Vick. He hasn't looked accurate just yet.

Really? He has >60% completion this preseason while Vick was <50% his rookie year.

 

[whatadai]

I think Wilson has looked better and in some leagues went before Luck who seems clearly better now.

His rushing ability is overrated IMO, which is making him slightly overrated. Obviously, he's built nowhere like Newton and so is unlikely to ever hit double digit TDs. He's built much more closely to Vick. However, Vick is a special runner, probably the best ever at the QB spot. RGIII is track fast, and football fast, but he's nowhere near as elusive and instinctive as Vick is as a runner.

Vick is obviously the most similar player to RG3 that has ever played. IMO, I don't see much of a difference between the two. Both have blazing speed and big arms. Both have questions about size. Vick is more elusive, but RG3 is a smarter football player. I actually think RG3 being less elusive than Vick is a good thing. I don't want my QB (even if he is a scrambling QB) out there trying to juke and shake defenders. I want him to drop back and pass. If it isn't there, find a lane, run fast and slide/get out of bounds.

Vick and RG3 aren't similar QB's. Athlete, yes. QB, no. RG3 throws first then runs. Vick's had to learn to throw, it's been a long process, he's still not completely there imho.

So who is the QB most similar to RG3 then?

Russell Wilson, only 3" taller. I don't think there's anyone in the league like those two. Not every prospect needs a veteran comp, sometimes there isn't one.

I don't think Russel Wilson is anywhere near the athlete Vick is. I do agree to a point that there hasn't been a player quite like RG3. I might see him as a hybrid of Vick and McNabb. Better passer than Vick, better athlete than McNabb.

No and not as fast as RG3. Not sure about being a better passer than Vick. He hasn't looked accurate just yet.

Really? He has >60% completion this preseason while Vick was <50% his rookie year.

I have this list...and when people post dumb arguments...I put them on that list and never read anything they post again.

 

[Ilov80s]

I think Wilson has looked better and in some leagues went before Luck who seems clearly better now.

His rushing ability is overrated IMO, which is making him slightly overrated. Obviously, he's built nowhere like Newton and so is unlikely to ever hit double digit TDs. He's built much more closely to Vick. However, Vick is a special runner, probably the best ever at the QB spot. RGIII is track fast, and football fast, but he's nowhere near as elusive and instinctive as Vick is as a runner.

Vick is obviously the most similar player to RG3 that has ever played. IMO, I don't see much of a difference between the two. Both have blazing speed and big arms. Both have questions about size. Vick is more elusive, but RG3 is a smarter football player. I actually think RG3 being less elusive than Vick is a good thing. I don't want my QB (even if he is a scrambling QB) out there trying to juke and shake defenders. I want him to drop back and pass. If it isn't there, find a lane, run fast and slide/get out of bounds.

Vick and RG3 aren't similar QB's. Athlete, yes. QB, no. RG3 throws first then runs. Vick's had to learn to throw, it's been a long process, he's still not completely there imho.

So who is the QB most similar to RG3 then?

Russell Wilson, only 3" taller. I don't think there's anyone in the league like those two. Not every prospect needs a veteran comp, sometimes there isn't one.

I don't think Russel Wilson is anywhere near the athlete Vick is. I do agree to a point that there hasn't been a player quite like RG3. I might see him as a hybrid of Vick and McNabb. Better passer than Vick, better athlete than McNabb.

No and not as fast as RG3. Not sure about being a better passer than Vick. He hasn't looked accurate just yet.

Really? He has >60% completion this preseason while Vick was <50% his rookie year.

I have this list...and when people post dumb arguments...I put them on that list and never read anything they post again.

Did I make the list? What was wrong?

 

[whatadai]

I think Wilson has looked better and in some leagues went before Luck who seems clearly better now.

His rushing ability is overrated IMO, which is making him slightly overrated. Obviously, he's built nowhere like Newton and so is unlikely to ever hit double digit TDs. He's built much more closely to Vick. However, Vick is a special runner, probably the best ever at the QB spot. RGIII is track fast, and football fast, but he's nowhere near as elusive and instinctive as Vick is as a runner.

Vick is obviously the most similar player to RG3 that has ever played. IMO, I don't see much of a difference between the two. Both have blazing speed and big arms. Both have questions about size. Vick is more elusive, but RG3 is a smarter football player. I actually think RG3 being less elusive than Vick is a good thing. I don't want my QB (even if he is a scrambling QB) out there trying to juke and shake defenders. I want him to drop back and pass. If it isn't there, find a lane, run fast and slide/get out of bounds.

Vick and RG3 aren't similar QB's. Athlete, yes. QB, no. RG3 throws first then runs. Vick's had to learn to throw, it's been a long process, he's still not completely there imho.

So who is the QB most similar to RG3 then?

Russell Wilson, only 3" taller. I don't think there's anyone in the league like those two. Not every prospect needs a veteran comp, sometimes there isn't one.

I don't think Russel Wilson is anywhere near the athlete Vick is. I do agree to a point that there hasn't been a player quite like RG3. I might see him as a hybrid of Vick and McNabb. Better passer than Vick, better athlete than McNabb.

No and not as fast as RG3. Not sure about being a better passer than Vick. He hasn't looked accurate just yet.

Really? He has >60% completion this preseason while Vick was <50% his rookie year.

I have this list...and when people post dumb arguments...I put them on that list and never read anything they post again.

Did I make the list? What was wrong?

RGIII...-Has received all 1st team reps in the off-season

-Has 31 NFL passes

-All NFL passes have been in the pre-season

-Has a team that has worked to put weapons around him

Vick...

-Went into the season as a backup with few first team reps

-Had 113 NFL passes

-All his passes were in the regular season

-The surrounding talent was ####

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

In comparing to Newton's adp/ranking from last year, it is worth remembering that a whole lot people were questioning what Newton had between the ears. Nobody seems to take that attitude with Robert.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

His rushing ability is overrated IMO, which is making him slightly overrated. Obviously, he's built nowhere like Newton and so is unlikely to ever hit double digit TDs. He's built much more closely to Vick. However, Vick is a special runner, probably the best ever at the QB spot. RGIII is track fast, and football fast, but he's nowhere near as elusive and instinctive as Vick is as a runner.

Vick is obviously the most similar player to RG3 that has ever played. IMO, I don't see much of a difference between the two. Both have blazing speed and big arms. Both have questions about size. Vick is more elusive, but RG3 is a smarter football player. I actually think RG3 being less elusive than Vick is a good thing. I don't want my QB (even if he is a scrambling QB) out there trying to juke and shake defenders. I want him to drop back and pass. If it isn't there, find a lane, run fast and slide/get out of bounds.

Vick and RG3 aren't similar QB's. Athlete, yes. QB, no. RG3 throws first then runs. Vick's had to learn to throw, it's been a long process, he's still not completely there imho.

So who is the QB most similar to RG3 then?

Russell Wilson, only 3" taller. I don't think there's anyone in the league like those two. Not every prospect needs a veteran comp, sometimes there isn't one.

Russell Wilson is a much more complete QB than RGIII. He can actually read coverage, make adjustments at the line, go through multiple receiver options, etc. There is little doubt - IMO - that Russell Wilson will be a superior pro QB to RGIII.

 

[ericttspikes]

I see a lot of people crowning Wilson and saying RGIII is overrated because of preseason, I think both are mistakes. I think Washington was slow playing preseason and simply didn't unleash RGIII. They know what he can do with his legs. I'll wait to see him in actual games to see if he's overrated. Not expecting Cam part 2, but I think he will get his on the ground and the air. Seems worth the risk for leagues that give bonuses to running QBs. As I saw someone mention in another thread, if Tebow can be a top QB in some formats last year, I see no reason why RGIII can't.

 

[whatadai]

In comparing to Newton's adp/ranking from last year, it is worth remembering that a whole lot people were questioning what Newton had between the ears. Nobody seems to take that attitude with Robert.

People questioned his attitude and motivation mostly...he was considered a problem player with all his issues in college.

 

[duaneok66]

His rushing ability is overrated IMO, which is making him slightly overrated. Obviously, he's built nowhere like Newton and so is unlikely to ever hit double digit TDs. He's built much more closely to Vick. However, Vick is a special runner, probably the best ever at the QB spot. RGIII is track fast, and football fast, but he's nowhere near as elusive and instinctive as Vick is as a runner.

Vick is obviously the most similar player to RG3 that has ever played. IMO, I don't see much of a difference between the two. Both have blazing speed and big arms. Both have questions about size. Vick is more elusive, but RG3 is a smarter football player. I actually think RG3 being less elusive than Vick is a good thing. I don't want my QB (even if he is a scrambling QB) out there trying to juke and shake defenders. I want him to drop back and pass. If it isn't there, find a lane, run fast and slide/get out of bounds.

Vick and RG3 aren't similar QB's. Athlete, yes. QB, no. RG3 throws first then runs. Vick's had to learn to throw, it's been a long process, he's still not completely there imho.

So who is the QB most similar to RG3 then?

Russell Wilson, only 3" taller. I don't think there's anyone in the league like those two. Not every prospect needs a veteran comp, sometimes there isn't one.

Russell Wilson is a much more complete QB than RGIII. He can actually read coverage, make adjustments at the line, go through multiple receiver options, etc. There is little doubt - IMO - that Russell Wilson will be a superior pro QB to RGIII.

awesome analysis - you left out the part which shows why RG3 went #2 and Wilson went in the 3rd.

 

[whatadai]

His rushing ability is overrated IMO, which is making him slightly overrated. Obviously, he's built nowhere like Newton and so is unlikely to ever hit double digit TDs. He's built much more closely to Vick. However, Vick is a special runner, probably the best ever at the QB spot. RGIII is track fast, and football fast, but he's nowhere near as elusive and instinctive as Vick is as a runner.

Vick is obviously the most similar player to RG3 that has ever played. IMO, I don't see much of a difference between the two. Both have blazing speed and big arms. Both have questions about size. Vick is more elusive, but RG3 is a smarter football player. I actually think RG3 being less elusive than Vick is a good thing. I don't want my QB (even if he is a scrambling QB) out there trying to juke and shake defenders. I want him to drop back and pass. If it isn't there, find a lane, run fast and slide/get out of bounds.

Vick and RG3 aren't similar QB's. Athlete, yes. QB, no. RG3 throws first then runs. Vick's had to learn to throw, it's been a long process, he's still not completely there imho.

So who is the QB most similar to RG3 then?

Russell Wilson, only 3" taller. I don't think there's anyone in the league like those two. Not every prospect needs a veteran comp, sometimes there isn't one.

Russell Wilson is a much more complete QB than RGIII. He can actually read coverage, make adjustments at the line, go through multiple receiver options, etc. There is little doubt - IMO - that Russell Wilson will be a superior pro QB to RGIII.

awesome analysis - you left out the part which shows why RG3 went #2 and Wilson went in the 3rd.

3 inches?

 

[duaneok66]

almost 4 inches - and that makes a big difference.

 

[whatadai]

almost 4 inches - and that makes a big difference.

That's what she said. :(

 

[matttyl]

Lots of posts comparing Wilson to RG3. I actually have a $100 bet on this very topic, but I won't say which side I'm on. Which would you rather have in a redraft league?

 

[whatadai]

Lots of posts comparing Wilson to RG3. I actually have a $100 bet on this very topic, but I won't say which side I'm on. Which would you rather have in a redraft league?

Wilson because of the rushing yards...that offensive line is just built perfectly for him to run.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I see a lot of people crowning Wilson and saying RGIII is overrated because of preseason, I think both are mistakes. I think Washington was slow playing preseason and simply didn't unleash RGIII. They know what he can do with his legs. I'll wait to see him in actual games to see if he's overrated. Not expecting Cam part 2, but I think he will get his on the ground and the air. Seems worth the risk for leagues that give bonuses to running QBs. As I saw someone mention in another thread, if Tebow can be a top QB in some formats last year, I see no reason why RGIII can't.

Some of us aren't basing it on preseason. I haven't seen a single preseason Russell Wilson snap - rather, watched him play for UW all last season. In contrast, I HAVE seen an abundance of RGIII snaps....wasn't terribly impressed.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

His rushing ability is overrated IMO, which is making him slightly overrated. Obviously, he's built nowhere like Newton and so is unlikely to ever hit double digit TDs. He's built much more closely to Vick. However, Vick is a special runner, probably the best ever at the QB spot. RGIII is track fast, and football fast, but he's nowhere near as elusive and instinctive as Vick is as a runner.

Vick is obviously the most similar player to RG3 that has ever played. IMO, I don't see much of a difference between the two. Both have blazing speed and big arms. Both have questions about size. Vick is more elusive, but RG3 is a smarter football player. I actually think RG3 being less elusive than Vick is a good thing. I don't want my QB (even if he is a scrambling QB) out there trying to juke and shake defenders. I want him to drop back and pass. If it isn't there, find a lane, run fast and slide/get out of bounds.

Vick and RG3 aren't similar QB's. Athlete, yes. QB, no. RG3 throws first then runs. Vick's had to learn to throw, it's been a long process, he's still not completely there imho.

So who is the QB most similar to RG3 then?

Russell Wilson, only 3" taller. I don't think there's anyone in the league like those two. Not every prospect needs a veteran comp, sometimes there isn't one.

Russell Wilson is a much more complete QB than RGIII. He can actually read coverage, make adjustments at the line, go through multiple receiver options, etc. There is little doubt - IMO - that Russell Wilson will be a superior pro QB to RGIII.

awesome analysis - you left out the part which shows why RG3 went #2 and Wilson went in the 3rd.

I'm just sitting here waiting for you to offer anything insightful other than draft position. Thanks for reminding the entire Shark Pool where individual players were drafted. You must be the envy of your 8th grade fantasy league.

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

In comparing to Newton's adp/ranking from last year, it is worth remembering that a whole lot people were questioning what Newton had between the ears. Nobody seems to take that attitude with Robert.

Liking this post. In this respect RG3 and Wilson are very similar. They both seem to be showing good smarts, poise and good leadership qualities early. Not implying Cam didn't, not implying RG3 and Wilson are similar in physical talent.

 

[Bo Skiboski]

Lots of posts comparing Wilson to RG3. I actually have a $100 bet on this very topic, but I won't say which side I'm on. Which would you rather have in a redraft league?

I assume it's Wilson you have because of the secrecy but you're going to lose that bet and lose it badly.

 

[Jim Otto]

....or have no idea what a QB1 is.

This

 

[duaneok66]

His rushing ability is overrated IMO, which is making him slightly overrated. Obviously, he's built nowhere like Newton and so is unlikely to ever hit double digit TDs. He's built much more closely to Vick. However, Vick is a special runner, probably the best ever at the QB spot. RGIII is track fast, and football fast, but he's nowhere near as elusive and instinctive as Vick is as a runner.

Vick is obviously the most similar player to RG3 that has ever played. IMO, I don't see much of a difference between the two. Both have blazing speed and big arms. Both have questions about size. Vick is more elusive, but RG3 is a smarter football player. I actually think RG3 being less elusive than Vick is a good thing. I don't want my QB (even if he is a scrambling QB) out there trying to juke and shake defenders. I want him to drop back and pass. If it isn't there, find a lane, run fast and slide/get out of bounds.

Vick and RG3 aren't similar QB's. Athlete, yes. QB, no. RG3 throws first then runs. Vick's had to learn to throw, it's been a long process, he's still not completely there imho.

So who is the QB most similar to RG3 then?

Russell Wilson, only 3" taller. I don't think there's anyone in the league like those two. Not every prospect needs a veteran comp, sometimes there isn't one.

Russell Wilson is a much more complete QB than RGIII. He can actually read coverage, make adjustments at the line, go through multiple receiver options, etc. There is little doubt - IMO - that Russell Wilson will be a superior pro QB to RGIII.

awesome analysis - you left out the part which shows why RG3 went #2 and Wilson went in the 3rd.

I'm just sitting here waiting for you to offer anything insightful other than draft position. Thanks for reminding the entire Shark Pool where individual players were drafted. You must be the envy of your 8th grade fantasy league.

first of all, it's a 3rd grade fantasy league.2nd of all, I figured the reason why was obvious - I guess not.

 

[Ilov80s]

RGIII...-Has received all 1st team reps in the off-season-Has 31 NFL passes-All NFL passes have been in the pre-season-Has a team that has worked to put weapons around himVick...-Went into the season as a backup with few first team reps-Had 113 NFL passes-All his passes were in the regular season-The surrounding talent was ####

Ok, so where did I contradict any of that? I just posted the stats and questioned how someone might believe RG3 doesn't look accurate when he is completing 60% of his passes and even more questioning someone that thinks Vick started out his career being more accurate. Go ahead block me for that.

 

[whatadai]

RGIII...-Has received all 1st team reps in the off-season-Has 31 NFL passes-All NFL passes have been in the pre-season-Has a team that has worked to put weapons around himVick...-Went into the season as a backup with few first team reps-Had 113 NFL passes-All his passes were in the regular season-The surrounding talent was ####

Ok, so where did I contradict any of that? I just posted the stats and questioned how someone might believe RG3 doesn't look accurate when he is completing 60% of his passes and even more questioning someone that thinks Vick started out his career being more accurate. Go ahead block me for that.

Um...I did...31 passes in preseason are nothing compared to 113 passes in the regular season. Plus...####ty WRs = worse completion percentage. No first team reps = bad rapport with WRs = worse completion rate.Plus, all of RGIII's throws goes to Garcon...he doesn't go through his progressions at all. He locks onto his target. It was fine during the preseason, but Garcon isn't that hard to cover, especially with the CBs in that division, RGIII won't be able to throw to anyone else.