Is Tebow being given a Fair shot? (2 Viewers)

[squistion]

You seem a lot more worried about Tebow's religon than 99% of the football fans I know, including so called Tebow haters. The vast majority of people that are down on Tebow do not care at all about his gospel. They are not down on him because he is an outspoken Christian, they are down on him because he is not a good QB and his fans will never shut up.

I could care less about Tebow's religion. I'm an atheist.And I agree that a great many people, if not most, dislike Tebow because the media gives him the attention of a superstar which he doesn't deserve because he sucks.

With all that said, you're fooling yourself if you don't think that a good portion of the backlash against Tebow is because he's so vocal about his religion.

I'll concede that non-Christian athletes and minority athletes have also been attacked for outwardly expressing their religious views. Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf (formerly Chris Jackson) is somewhat of an example of this, yet I'd note that most of the criticism of Rauf (who was a black Muslim) came mainly because Rau refused to stand for the National Anthem which he objected to citing his religious beliefs . It's unclear whether his beliefs alone, minus refusing to stand for the anthe, would have caused controversy. Doubtful since Hakeem Olajuwon was a black man and Muslim playing at the same time and beloved by fans.

Personally, I could care less about any individuals religious beliefs whether it's Tebow, Holyfield, Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf, or so on. A poster noted that Ray Lewis makes similar Christian references as Tebow but without the critism. My posts were not to defend Christianity nor Tebow's QB skills (which are indefensible), but instead to posit a reason as to why Tebow is treated differently than Ray Lewis among those who take issue with athletes that are vocal about their Christianity.

Because Ray Lewis has not been as vocal in game settings and post game press conferences as Tebow about his Christianity and that is not even close.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

In 2011 the Broncos under Tebow went 7 - 4. They played 3 playoff teams, going 1-2, only beating the Bears in the middle of their 5 game losing streak after Cutler went down.They backed into the playoffs losing their last three, getting blown out by the Pats and Bills and losing 7-3 (SEVEN TO THREE!) to a Chiefs team with literally nothing to play for. In the Chiefs game, Tebow went 6 of 22 for 60 yards and 1 int. Maybe the NYJ screwed Tebow, but the NFL is not screwing over Tebow. There is a rich body of data that teams are looking at and deciding that this player is not worth bringing in to develop an entire offense around.So maybe no team wants him as a starter, so you imagine bringing him in as backup and creating a constant distraction whenever Ponder or Tannehill or Freeman has a bad day? Would you want to develop what you are hoping is your franchise QB in that environment?

I also think the Broncos were too conservative in letting Tebow run. They tried to develop him as a drop back passer. He just isn't.I think he could go to KC and develop. God know Reid has managed and developed worse. I also think Tebow makes sense in Washington as a backup. He fits the offense.

 

[Buffaloes]

I think he could go to KC and develop.

can you imagine TT in Reid's West Coast Offence?

 

[Ranethe]

I think he could go to KC and develop.

can you imagine TT in Reid's West Coast Offence?

He would totally dominate. Or at least, "develop".

 

[Hairy Snowman]

I think he could go to KC and develop.

can you imagine TT in Reid's West Coast Offence?

He can throw the slant. I think Tebow would seriously need to develop. No doubt. But there isn't anyone better than Reid at developing QBs. And Tebow offers the durability Reid never had in Vick.

 

[ICON211]

In 2011 the Broncos under Tebow went 7 - 4. They played 3 playoff teams, going 1-2, only beating the Bears in the middle of their 5 game losing streak after Cutler went down.They backed into the playoffs losing their last three, getting blown out by the Pats and Bills and losing 7-3 (SEVEN TO THREE!) to a Chiefs team with literally nothing to play for. In the Chiefs game, Tebow went 6 of 22 for 60 yards and 1 int. Maybe the NYJ screwed Tebow, but the NFL is not screwing over Tebow. There is a rich body of data that teams are looking at and deciding that this player is not worth bringing in to develop an entire offense around.So maybe no team wants him as a starter, so you imagine bringing him in as backup and creating a constant distraction whenever Ponder or Tannehill or Freeman has a bad day? Would you want to develop what you are hoping is your franchise QB in that environment?

I also think the Broncos were too conservative in letting Tebow run. They tried to develop him as a drop back passer. He just isn't.I think he could go to KC and develop. God know Reid has managed and developed worse. I also think Tebow makes sense in Washington as a backup. He fits the offense.

KC? Seriously? In Andy Reid's pass heavy offense?

 

[Ranethe]

I think he could go to KC and develop.

can you imagine TT in Reid's West Coast Offence?

He can throw the slant. I think Tebow would seriously need to develop. No doubt. But there isn't anyone better than Reid at developing QBs. And Tebow offers the durability Reid never had in Vick.

And if his development was slow they could always bring in Greg McElroy. Or maybe trade him to Jacksonville. Oh wait, Jacksonville doesn't want him either.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

In 2011 the Broncos under Tebow went 7 - 4. They played 3 playoff teams, going 1-2, only beating the Bears in the middle of their 5 game losing streak after Cutler went down.They backed into the playoffs losing their last three, getting blown out by the Pats and Bills and losing 7-3 (SEVEN TO THREE!) to a Chiefs team with literally nothing to play for. In the Chiefs game, Tebow went 6 of 22 for 60 yards and 1 int. Maybe the NYJ screwed Tebow, but the NFL is not screwing over Tebow. There is a rich body of data that teams are looking at and deciding that this player is not worth bringing in to develop an entire offense around.So maybe no team wants him as a starter, so you imagine bringing him in as backup and creating a constant distraction whenever Ponder or Tannehill or Freeman has a bad day? Would you want to develop what you are hoping is your franchise QB in that environment?

I also think the Broncos were too conservative in letting Tebow run. They tried to develop him as a drop back passer. He just isn't.I think he could go to KC and develop. God know Reid has managed and developed worse. I also think Tebow makes sense in Washington as a backup. He fits the offense.

KC? Seriously? In Andy Reid's pass heavy offense?

Yeah. Reid is magic with QBs. He would adjust the offense the same way he did with Vick. Only Tebow offers more durability.

 

[Christo]

In 2011 the Broncos under Tebow went 7 - 4. They played 3 playoff teams, going 1-2, only beating the Bears in the middle of their 5 game losing streak after Cutler went down.They backed into the playoffs losing their last three, getting blown out by the Pats and Bills and losing 7-3 (SEVEN TO THREE!) to a Chiefs team with literally nothing to play for. In the Chiefs game, Tebow went 6 of 22 for 60 yards and 1 int. Maybe the NYJ screwed Tebow, but the NFL is not screwing over Tebow. There is a rich body of data that teams are looking at and deciding that this player is not worth bringing in to develop an entire offense around.So maybe no team wants him as a starter, so you imagine bringing him in as backup and creating a constant distraction whenever Ponder or Tannehill or Freeman has a bad day? Would you want to develop what you are hoping is your franchise QB in that environment?

I also think the Broncos were too conservative in letting Tebow run. They tried to develop him as a drop back passer. He just isn't.I think he could go to KC and develop. God know Reid has managed and developed worse. I also think Tebow makes sense in Washington as a backup. He fits the offense.

KC? Seriously? In Andy Reid's pass heavy offense?

McNabb threw passes into the dirt in that offense for years and wasn't half bad.

 

[Jewell]

.... Furthermore, I AM a Ray Lewis fan and he gets pass after pass for getting on his stump about God. Nobody writes story's about it much less mentions it. Tebow thanks The Lord and it splits party's like the fiscal cliff.

Mike Singletary also didn't get nearly as much as flak as Tebow even though Singletary was wearing a giant cross on the sideline and invoking God in speeches.I know why this is. It's because those who are the most vehemently anti-Christian (and thus feel the need to lash out at Tebow) are generally also the people that are the most vehemently politically correct.

Notice that when Prop 8 was passed in California activists quickly attacked the Mormon Church for drumming up both money and support among voters for Prop 8, but the activists hardly said a word about black churches also drumming up money and support among voters for Prop 8 (which was definitely reflected in the final voting tallies.)

It's the same dynamic with the hadore animal activists. We see PETA members throwing blood on old socialite ladies who are wearing fur coats, but we don't see too much blood being thrown on Michael Irvin or Snoop Dogg when they wear fur coats.

These people are afraid that if they hold minorities to the same standard that they hold white people it may, somehow, come across as being racist. To them avoiding that appearance is more important than equally applying the principle they advocate. I've seen it a million times. Granted, I'd prefer that such people didn't vehemently attack anybody for what they believe or what they wear, but if you're going to attack some people for what they believe or what they wear while while not attacking others for doing the same thing, then you look like a ##### and it's hard for me to take your message seriously.

I'm Jewish and I'm the biggest Tebow supporter around. It has nothing to do with his religion. Its his throwing motion. Get serious.

I strongly encourage you to read my Post 140, and to consider the post I was responding which had nothing to do with playing ability and instead was limited to Lewis and Tebow expressing their Christian views.

Here's a hint: I agree with you that Lewis is an all-time great and Tebow should be out of the league. Nonetheless, Tebow being an outspoken Christian may not factor into why many people dislike Tebow, but it does factor into why a good amount of people take issue with Tebow. I was speaking about that latter group.

Anyway, let's get back to Tebow's play.

 

[proninja]

This is insane. These coaches have one job, to win to keep their jobs. If they thought Tebow could win them games they will bring him in. The Jets bringing him in was dumb and they misused him and even thought we don't know how we was in practice the Jets probably should have given him a chance.

But lets look at the facts:

In his first year he started three games and played in more. After five games last year the Broncos gave him the start for the rest of the year. They had a chance to a HOF qb and maybe the biggest FA of all time and they replaced him.

Maybe the Jets wronged him which backfired on them, but there is no league wide blacklisting of Tebow.

He allegedly looks like crap in practice. If true, why the hell should they put him in actual games?

Just curious, who is the phrase "he looked terrible in practice" attributed to; the Jets coaching staff? If so, I think we have to take that with a grain of salt.

Why? You think if he looked great in practice they would lie about it?

The Jets have already been outed by most reporters here, about their version of Tebow "quitting". I do not think the Jets version of events can be trusted while so many guys were on the hot seat this year. Last season Tebow managed to stay on the Broncos as a backup, play in a handful of plays until he was given the starting job, this year (for an inferior team) he can't even find a way to get in the field. You can say what you want about Tebow, he at least deserved to start a game in this wreck of a season for the Jets.

Why? Because he's a nice guy? The only people who "deserve" to start a game are guys who earn it. Just because Sanchez sucks doesn't mean Tebow is good. If he wanted a shot he should have earned it in practice. He couldn't.

So you are saying Jets would of had even a worse season then they had if Tebow was starting. Tell me how did the team do with Sanchez? gees, i wonder if a guy who can make things happen with his legs would have helped a team with zero weapons.Lots of pathetic minded people with agendas of bashing Tebow regardless in here. To call yourself football people makes me laugh. I am going to be this guys only voice I guess, One because it is quite easy to bury any of his critics.

All they have is, bad at practice and he is not a starter. I have a string of many wins and a playoff victory in his only season as a starter and a former caoch of the Jets saying they didnt use him properly.

My ammmo is better then yours and with my obviously smarter approach with this it is easy to smash his critics. Talking to people on here is like watching ESPN and all their rhetoric. No information just the "this is what I think" approach.

Facts: Took Denver to playoffs and won a game, Peyton to Denver to playoffs and choked.

What is the object of the game again.

Yes I compared him to Manning, call me stupid. I am comparing the last two QBs in Denver and their playoff track record with the team.

So, if Tebow is so bad, why did he win a game with the team, yet the guy going to Canton chokes? I already know the answer i will get on this board full of a bunch of rhetoric, I just speak facts.

:tastetheflesh:

 

[SacramentoBob]

:tastetheflesh:

 

[Two Deep]

I pray to Tebows Jesus that he gets a starting job next year. I would love for him to prove once and for all to the T-Bow lovers, (who are apparently more knowledgable than NFL football coaches and GM's), that he is not a NFL caliber QB. He will make Vince Young look like Tom Brady.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I think he could go to KC and develop.

can you imagine TT in Reid's West Coast Offence?

He can throw the slant. I think Tebow would seriously need to develop. No doubt. But there isn't anyone better than Reid at developing QBs. And Tebow offers the durability Reid never had in Vick.

didn't teblows break his ribs after 10 plays this year?

 

[Black&Gold]

I don't think there would have been an issue if Tebow would have sat behind Sanchez. But when Sanchez went down in flames and the Jets didn't bring in Tebow, it just looked really, REALLY bad. I don't think Tebow has been as vocal about his faith as the media lets on either. The media has painted him into a corner and asked him about his faith. All he has done is tell the truth on his beliefs. You can't really compare him to any other QB. He has been successful everywhere he has played. Every time he has played. It's just really obvious to most people that he has been "black-balled" by the NFL. Do you think that the NFL could survive the missed income from a starting Tebow? Of course they can...and they don't mind making an example out of a "self-proclaimed" Christian just like all of the other liberal media outlets try to do.

 

[JamesTheScot]

I see the 73 page Tebow Era thread and decided this deserves its own thread. Tebow has been a winning QB in the NFL. He provided a dimension that has caused numerous copycats around the league. Washington, Carolina and San Francisco, just to name a few, have run a version of the read-option this year following its success with Tebow last year. However, I am saying that Tebow provides an element none of the other QBs do - durability of a fullback/H-Back. I feel he has a different frame than any of the other people playing the position. He has been running the read option since high school. He can handle a 200+ carry season. Tim brings a power running game to the QB position. As a fan of power running teams like Pittsburgh or the NYG, I know football is won or lost by your ability to dominate a 10 yard area from the line of scrimmage. Especially in the 4th quarter, Tebow helps you dominate that 10 yard area. I still believe he has not been used properly yet. I believe he needs to run the ball at least 10 times a game. Get 20+ runs out of your running back and you can expect the defense to be hurting. Because he CAN run 20 times in a game, the safety HAS to respect the QB rushing. There is no one in the game that will force the safety in the box like Tebow. So there is usually no help over the top on defense. Which is why the deep ball opens up.I think the biggest problem with Tebow is that the coaches tinkered too much with his throwing motion. Because of the safety crowding the line, I don't think that Tebow needs to have the fastest throwing motion. Or even a fast motion. He needs to see the defense and throw accurately when people are open. I think the coaches should stop listening to Steve Young, who has been trying to change his motion in a way so Tebow could fit into a west coast offense, and let Tebow just chuck the ball like a baseball the way he does. I am telling you accuracy of his throws was not a problem in high school or college. It was always the speed of his delivery. People need to see whether he can use his slow mechanics in the nfl. He has earned that. If he was accurate on his throws, there would be no debate. To the point of the post, I think he was brought to New York strictly as a publicity stunt to trump the Giants following the Super Bowl win. The owner of the Jets should be ashamed. At the least, he set back the career of Tebow, who appeared promising. In the end, Tebow won games and could still win games with 15 creative read-option plays in a run based offense. I think he is getting the shaft.

This is really turning me off from the NFL and the media that covers it. Nobody can say that he was given a fair shot. Nobody. I see some of these average QBs get gigs time and time again with NO success, EVER. This guy, was a standout in college...has won everywhere he has played, and has always been a professional leader in life and the lockerroom. He gets a chance to shine in Denver and does. He gets kicked out. He goes to NY waiting for Sanchez to fail and come in a take over. He never gets his shot because the team is afraid that he will win. Don't tell me that this doesn't have to do with him being vocal about his belief either. That is the ONLY sane reason. I've watchted the NFL for 25 years and have never seen anything like this. This guy is a winner, plain and simple and is being black-balled by the NFL.

I understand your complaints, but I don't see it as a fairness issue.Look, teams want to win. They play the guys that they think give them the best chance. If your skill set isn't what they are looking for, that's not a fairness issue. There's a certain amount of conventional wisdom that colors evaluations, but it's still a matter of opinion. And his evaluators are just as entitled to their opinions as he is.This isn't an attempt to hijack, but consider Russell Wilson. He doesn't fit the mold. But he earned his spot by proving he can do what his team is asking of their QB. But Tebow is a bit notorious now for not being a great practice player. That's not a slam on his effort or preparation, it's a matter of performance. He doesn't perform during preparation.Do I feel bad for him? You bet. He's the kind of guy I like to see succeed. He's the kind of role model I think kids need. But I can't go so far as to say that it's unfair to Tebow that some team hasn't sold out and gone all in on an experimental attempt to build an offense around a guy that has a rather unique skill set.

 

[Ranethe]

I don't think there would have been an issue if Tebow would have sat behind Sanchez. But when Sanchez went down in flames and the Jets didn't bring in Tebow, it just looked really, REALLY bad. I don't think Tebow has been as vocal about his faith as the media lets on either. The media has painted him into a corner and asked him about his faith. All he has done is tell the truth on his beliefs. You can't really compare him to any other QB. He has been successful everywhere he has played. Every time he has played. It's just really obvious to most people that he has been "black-balled" by the NFL. Do you think that the NFL could survive the missed income from a starting Tebow? Of course they can...and they don't mind making an example out of a "self-proclaimed" Christian just like all of the other liberal media outlets try to do.

Man, and they say the shark pool is "brutal". I guess people are right. maybe you should post this in the FFA thread about how persecuted Christians are.

 

[Black&Gold]

I see the 73 page Tebow Era thread and decided this deserves its own thread. Tebow has been a winning QB in the NFL. He provided a dimension that has caused numerous copycats around the league. Washington, Carolina and San Francisco, just to name a few, have run a version of the read-option this year following its success with Tebow last year. However, I am saying that Tebow provides an element none of the other QBs do - durability of a fullback/H-Back. I feel he has a different frame than any of the other people playing the position. He has been running the read option since high school. He can handle a 200+ carry season. Tim brings a power running game to the QB position. As a fan of power running teams like Pittsburgh or the NYG, I know football is won or lost by your ability to dominate a 10 yard area from the line of scrimmage. Especially in the 4th quarter, Tebow helps you dominate that 10 yard area. I still believe he has not been used properly yet. I believe he needs to run the ball at least 10 times a game. Get 20+ runs out of your running back and you can expect the defense to be hurting. Because he CAN run 20 times in a game, the safety HAS to respect the QB rushing. There is no one in the game that will force the safety in the box like Tebow. So there is usually no help over the top on defense. Which is why the deep ball opens up.I think the biggest problem with Tebow is that the coaches tinkered too much with his throwing motion. Because of the safety crowding the line, I don't think that Tebow needs to have the fastest throwing motion. Or even a fast motion. He needs to see the defense and throw accurately when people are open. I think the coaches should stop listening to Steve Young, who has been trying to change his motion in a way so Tebow could fit into a west coast offense, and let Tebow just chuck the ball like a baseball the way he does. I am telling you accuracy of his throws was not a problem in high school or college. It was always the speed of his delivery. People need to see whether he can use his slow mechanics in the nfl. He has earned that. If he was accurate on his throws, there would be no debate. To the point of the post, I think he was brought to New York strictly as a publicity stunt to trump the Giants following the Super Bowl win. The owner of the Jets should be ashamed. At the least, he set back the career of Tebow, who appeared promising. In the end, Tebow won games and could still win games with 15 creative read-option plays in a run based offense. I think he is getting the shaft.

This is really turning me off from the NFL and the media that covers it. Nobody can say that he was given a fair shot. Nobody. I see some of these average QBs get gigs time and time again with NO success, EVER. This guy, was a standout in college...has won everywhere he has played, and has always been a professional leader in life and the lockerroom. He gets a chance to shine in Denver and does. He gets kicked out. He goes to NY waiting for Sanchez to fail and come in a take over. He never gets his shot because the team is afraid that he will win. Don't tell me that this doesn't have to do with him being vocal about his belief either. That is the ONLY sane reason. I've watchted the NFL for 25 years and have never seen anything like this. This guy is a winner, plain and simple and is being black-balled by the NFL.

I understand your complaints, but I don't see it as a fairness issue.Look, teams want to win. They play the guys that they think give them the best chance. If your skill set isn't what they are looking for, that's not a fairness issue. There's a certain amount of conventional wisdom that colors evaluations, but it's still a matter of opinion. And his evaluators are just as entitled to their opinions as he is.This isn't an attempt to hijack, but consider Russell Wilson. He doesn't fit the mold. But he earned his spot by proving he can do what his team is asking of their QB. But Tebow is a bit notorious now for not being a great practice player. That's not a slam on his effort or preparation, it's a matter of performance. He doesn't perform during preparation.Do I feel bad for him? You bet. He's the kind of guy I like to see succeed. He's the kind of role model I think kids need. But I can't go so far as to say that it's unfair to Tebow that some team hasn't sold out and gone all in on an experimental attempt to build an offense around a guy that has a rather unique skill set.

I agree it's not a fairness issure and each team has the right to play and not play who they want. Maybe I shouldn't have agreed to "fair" as the correct statement. But it's just seems very shady that some team won't give him a shot. In Denver, Elway never saw him practice. He came in and removed him at once. Jacksonville comes out and says to the media that they aren't interested in Tebow? That needs a public comment? NY was just a blatent cop out and lie to Tebow and his agent. I still think he'll get his shot....maybe NE? Coach Bill always seems to be above the NFL's set of guidlines. Bring him in and sit under Brady for a couple years and then NE will have their franchise QB after Tom.

 

[Black&Gold]

I don't think there would have been an issue if Tebow would have sat behind Sanchez. But when Sanchez went down in flames and the Jets didn't bring in Tebow, it just looked really, REALLY bad. I don't think Tebow has been as vocal about his faith as the media lets on either. The media has painted him into a corner and asked him about his faith. All he has done is tell the truth on his beliefs. You can't really compare him to any other QB. He has been successful everywhere he has played. Every time he has played. It's just really obvious to most people that he has been "black-balled" by the NFL. Do you think that the NFL could survive the missed income from a starting Tebow? Of course they can...and they don't mind making an example out of a "self-proclaimed" Christian just like all of the other liberal media outlets try to do.

Man, and they say the shark pool is "brutal". I guess people are right. maybe you should post this in the FFA thread about how persecuted Christians are.

Not persecuted like in many other countries. That's just foolish. This is still a free country and we have the right to worship as we please..Morman, Christian, Muslim, etc.....It's just that this country started out as a predominantly Christian nation and there is a select group of non-Christians that just LOVE to see a Christian in "high demand" fail. Maybe even to the extent of helping him or her fail to make an example of that person that Christians aren't as self-righteous as they seem to be.

 

[Ranethe]

I don't think there would have been an issue if Tebow would have sat behind Sanchez. But when Sanchez went down in flames and the Jets didn't bring in Tebow, it just looked really, REALLY bad. I don't think Tebow has been as vocal about his faith as the media lets on either. The media has painted him into a corner and asked him about his faith. All he has done is tell the truth on his beliefs. You can't really compare him to any other QB. He has been successful everywhere he has played. Every time he has played. It's just really obvious to most people that he has been "black-balled" by the NFL. Do you think that the NFL could survive the missed income from a starting Tebow? Of course they can...and they don't mind making an example out of a "self-proclaimed" Christian just like all of the other liberal media outlets try to do.

Man, and they say the shark pool is "brutal". I guess people are right. maybe you should post this in the FFA thread about how persecuted Christians are.

Not persecuted like in many other countries. That's just foolish. This is still a free country and we have the right to worship as we please..Morman, Christian, Muslim, etc.....It's just that this country started out as a predominantly Christian nation and there is a select group of non-Christians that just LOVE to see a Christian in "high demand" fail. Maybe even to the extent of helping him or her fail to make an example of that person that Christians aren't as self-righteous as they seem to be.

yeah, either that or HE JUST CAN'T CONSISTENTLY THROW AN ACCURATE PASS

 

[Witz]

I don't think there would have been an issue if Tebow would have sat behind Sanchez. But when Sanchez went down in flames and the Jets didn't bring in Tebow, it just looked really, REALLY bad. I don't think Tebow has been as vocal about his faith as the media lets on either. The media has painted him into a corner and asked him about his faith. All he has done is tell the truth on his beliefs. You can't really compare him to any other QB. He has been successful everywhere he has played. Every time he has played. It's just really obvious to most people that he has been "black-balled" by the NFL. Do you think that the NFL could survive the missed income from a starting Tebow? Of course they can...and they don't mind making an example out of a "self-proclaimed" Christian just like all of the other liberal media outlets try to do.

Man, and they say the shark pool is "brutal". I guess people are right.

maybe you should post this in the FFA thread about how persecuted Christians are.

Not persecuted like in many other countries. That's just foolish. This is still a free country and we have the right to worship as we please..Morman, Christian, Muslim, etc.....It's just that this country started out as a predominantly Christian nation and there is a select group of non-Christians that just LOVE to see a Christian in "high demand" fail. Maybe even to the extent of helping him or her fail to make an example of that person that Christians aren't as self-righteous as they seem to be.

So using your logic you're saying that the NFL (and it's owners, GMs and head coaches) are all non-Christians, right?

 

[Wadsworth]

I see the 73 page Tebow Era thread and decided this deserves its own thread.

Tebow has been a winning QB in the NFL. He provided a dimension that has caused numerous copycats around the league. Washington, Carolina and San Francisco, just to name a few, have run a version of the read-option this year following its success with Tebow last year.

However, I am saying that Tebow provides an element none of the other QBs do - durability of a fullback/H-Back. I feel he has a different frame than any of the other people playing the position. He has been running the read option since high school. He can handle a 200+ carry season. Tim brings a power running game to the QB position. As a fan of power running teams like Pittsburgh or the NYG, I know football is won or lost by your ability to dominate a 10 yard area from the line of scrimmage. Especially in the 4th quarter, Tebow helps you dominate that 10 yard area.

I still believe he has not been used properly yet. I believe he needs to run the ball at least 10 times a game. Get 20+ runs out of your running back and you can expect the defense to be hurting. Because he CAN run 20 times in a game, the safety HAS to respect the QB rushing. There is no one in the game that will force the safety in the box like Tebow. So there is usually no help over the top on defense. Which is why the deep ball opens up.

I think the biggest problem with Tebow is that the coaches tinkered too much with his throwing motion. Because of the safety crowding the line, I don't think that Tebow needs to have the fastest throwing motion. Or even a fast motion. He needs to see the defense and throw accurately when people are open. I think the coaches should stop listening to Steve Young, who has been trying to change his motion in a way so Tebow could fit into a west coast offense, and let Tebow just chuck the ball like a baseball the way he does. I am telling you accuracy of his throws was not a problem in high school or college. It was always the speed of his delivery. People need to see whether he can use his slow mechanics in the nfl. He has earned that. If he was accurate on his throws, there would be no debate.

To the point of the post, I think he was brought to New York strictly as a publicity stunt to trump the Giants following the Super Bowl win. The owner of the Jets should be ashamed. At the least, he set back the career of Tebow, who appeared promising. In the end, Tebow won games and could still win games with 15 creative read-option plays in a run based offense. I think he is getting the shaft.

This is really turning me off from the NFL and the media that covers it. Nobody can say that he was given a fair shot. Nobody. I see some of these average QBs get gigs time and time again with NO success, EVER. This guy, was a standout in college...has won everywhere he has played, and has always been a professional leader in life and the lockerroom. He gets a chance to shine in Denver and does. He gets kicked out. He goes to NY waiting for Sanchez to fail and come in a take over. He never gets his shot because the team is afraid that he will win. Don't tell me that this doesn't have to do with him being vocal about his belief either. That is the ONLY sane reason. I've watchted the NFL for 25 years and have never seen anything like this. This guy is a winner, plain and simple and is being black-balled by the NFL.

I understand your complaints, but I don't see it as a fairness issue.Look, teams want to win. They play the guys that they think give them the best chance. If your skill set isn't what they are looking for, that's not a fairness issue. There's a certain amount of conventional wisdom that colors evaluations, but it's still a matter of opinion. And his evaluators are just as entitled to their opinions as he is.

This isn't an attempt to hijack, but consider Russell Wilson. He doesn't fit the mold. But he earned his spot by proving he can do what his team is asking of their QB. But Tebow is a bit notorious now for not being a great practice player. That's not a slam on his effort or preparation, it's a matter of performance. He doesn't perform during preparation.

Do I feel bad for him? You bet. He's the kind of guy I like to see succeed. He's the kind of role model I think kids need. But I can't go so far as to say that it's unfair to Tebow that some team hasn't sold out and gone all in on an experimental attempt to build an offense around a guy that has a rather unique skill set.

I agree it's not a fairness issure and each team has the right to play and not play who they want. Maybe I shouldn't have agreed to "fair" as the correct statement. But it's just seems very shady that some team won't give him a shot. In Denver, Elway never saw him practice. He came in and removed him at once. Jacksonville comes out and says to the media that they aren't interested in Tebow? That needs a public comment? NY was just a blatent cop out and lie to Tebow and his agent. I still think he'll get his shot....maybe NE? Coach Bill always seems to be above the NFL's set of guidlines. Bring him in and sit under Brady for a couple years and then NE will have their franchise QB after Tom.

Caldwell was asked the question repeatedly in the presser, he answered it. Jacksonville is ground zero for Tebow-mania, so yes, that needs a public comment in Jacksonville.

 

[Mile High]

I see the 73 page Tebow Era thread and decided this deserves its own thread.

Tebow has been a winning QB in the NFL. He provided a dimension that has caused numerous copycats around the league. Washington, Carolina and San Francisco, just to name a few, have run a version of the read-option this year following its success with Tebow last year.

However, I am saying that Tebow provides an element none of the other QBs do - durability of a fullback/H-Back. I feel he has a different frame than any of the other people playing the position. He has been running the read option since high school. He can handle a 200+ carry season. Tim brings a power running game to the QB position. As a fan of power running teams like Pittsburgh or the NYG, I know football is won or lost by your ability to dominate a 10 yard area from the line of scrimmage. Especially in the 4th quarter, Tebow helps you dominate that 10 yard area.

I still believe he has not been used properly yet. I believe he needs to run the ball at least 10 times a game. Get 20+ runs out of your running back and you can expect the defense to be hurting. Because he CAN run 20 times in a game, the safety HAS to respect the QB rushing. There is no one in the game that will force the safety in the box like Tebow. So there is usually no help over the top on defense. Which is why the deep ball opens up.

I think the biggest problem with Tebow is that the coaches tinkered too much with his throwing motion. Because of the safety crowding the line, I don't think that Tebow needs to have the fastest throwing motion. Or even a fast motion. He needs to see the defense and throw accurately when people are open. I think the coaches should stop listening to Steve Young, who has been trying to change his motion in a way so Tebow could fit into a west coast offense, and let Tebow just chuck the ball like a baseball the way he does. I am telling you accuracy of his throws was not a problem in high school or college. It was always the speed of his delivery. People need to see whether he can use his slow mechanics in the nfl. He has earned that. If he was accurate on his throws, there would be no debate.

To the point of the post, I think he was brought to New York strictly as a publicity stunt to trump the Giants following the Super Bowl win. The owner of the Jets should be ashamed. At the least, he set back the career of Tebow, who appeared promising. In the end, Tebow won games and could still win games with 15 creative read-option plays in a run based offense. I think he is getting the shaft.

This is really turning me off from the NFL and the media that covers it. Nobody can say that he was given a fair shot. Nobody. I see some of these average QBs get gigs time and time again with NO success, EVER. This guy, was a standout in college...has won everywhere he has played, and has always been a professional leader in life and the lockerroom. He gets a chance to shine in Denver and does. He gets kicked out. He goes to NY waiting for Sanchez to fail and come in a take over. He never gets his shot because the team is afraid that he will win. Don't tell me that this doesn't have to do with him being vocal about his belief either. That is the ONLY sane reason. I've watchted the NFL for 25 years and have never seen anything like this. This guy is a winner, plain and simple and is being black-balled by the NFL.

I understand your complaints, but I don't see it as a fairness issue.Look, teams want to win. They play the guys that they think give them the best chance. If your skill set isn't what they are looking for, that's not a fairness issue. There's a certain amount of conventional wisdom that colors evaluations, but it's still a matter of opinion. And his evaluators are just as entitled to their opinions as he is.

This isn't an attempt to hijack, but consider Russell Wilson. He doesn't fit the mold. But he earned his spot by proving he can do what his team is asking of their QB. But Tebow is a bit notorious now for not being a great practice player. That's not a slam on his effort or preparation, it's a matter of performance. He doesn't perform during preparation.

Do I feel bad for him? You bet. He's the kind of guy I like to see succeed. He's the kind of role model I think kids need. But I can't go so far as to say that it's unfair to Tebow that some team hasn't sold out and gone all in on an experimental attempt to build an offense around a guy that has a rather unique skill set.

I agree it's not a fairness issure and each team has the right to play and not play who they want. Maybe I shouldn't have agreed to "fair" as the correct statement. But it's just seems very shady that some team won't give him a shot. In Denver, Elway never saw him practice. He came in and removed him at once. Jacksonville comes out and says to the media that they aren't interested in Tebow? That needs a public comment? NY was just a blatent cop out and lie to Tebow and his agent. I still think he'll get his shot....maybe NE? Coach Bill always seems to be above the NFL's set of guidlines. Bring him in and sit under Brady for a couple years and then NE will have their franchise QB after Tom.

Wrong.

 

[Disc Shark]

I don't think there would have been an issue if Tebow would have sat behind Sanchez. But when Sanchez went down in flames and the Jets didn't bring in Tebow, it just looked really, REALLY bad. I don't think Tebow has been as vocal about his faith as the media lets on either. The media has painted him into a corner and asked him about his faith. All he has done is tell the truth on his beliefs. You can't really compare him to any other QB. He has been successful everywhere he has played. Every time he has played. It's just really obvious to most people that he has been "black-balled" by the NFL. Do you think that the NFL could survive the missed income from a starting Tebow? Of course they can...and they don't mind making an example out of a "self-proclaimed" Christian just like all of the other liberal media outlets try to do.

The above is absolute foolishness. Neither the NFL nor the media have set out to "make and example" of Tebow because of his faith. Kurt Warner was (and is) an open and proud born again Christian and no one discriminated against him because of his faith.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I seriously can't believe this is even a topic. There are no conspiracies, no holding his faith against him, he's not getting screwed, etc. He was avaiable to all 32 teams, and no one wanted to cough up more than a 4th for the guy. He can't play. Good teams win games despite bad QB play all the time, which is exactly what happened last year in Denver.

 

[Black&Gold]

I don't think there would have been an issue if Tebow would have sat behind Sanchez. But when Sanchez went down in flames and the Jets didn't bring in Tebow, it just looked really, REALLY bad. I don't think Tebow has been as vocal about his faith as the media lets on either. The media has painted him into a corner and asked him about his faith. All he has done is tell the truth on his beliefs. You can't really compare him to any other QB. He has been successful everywhere he has played. Every time he has played. It's just really obvious to most people that he has been "black-balled" by the NFL. Do you think that the NFL could survive the missed income from a starting Tebow? Of course they can...and they don't mind making an example out of a "self-proclaimed" Christian just like all of the other liberal media outlets try to do.

The above is absolute foolishness. Neither the NFL nor the media have set out to "make and example" of Tebow because of his faith. Kurt Warner was (and is) an open and proud born again Christian and no one discriminated against him because of his faith.

Kurt Warner was never the poster child for the Christian professional. The circus surrounding him was and is insane. No, not all owners are non-Christians. Of course not, but there are a lot of people with a lot of $ that aren't. I can see why Caldwell had to make a statement. Trying to difuse the oncoming fire. I still think he ends up in Jax. Wouldn't be the first time a coach gave a mistruth on a statement. Granted, I've never watched him "practice" but every game I've ever watched him play...he was a winner and made many great throws. A playoff game in Denver last year comes to mind. Grr.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

I think he could go to KC and develop.

can you imagine TT in Reid's West Coast Offence?

He can throw the slant. I think Tebow would seriously need to develop. No doubt. But there isn't anyone better than Reid at developing QBs. And Tebow offers the durability Reid never had in Vick.

didn't teblows break his ribs after 10 plays this year?

Not playing QB he didn't. Didn't it happen in practice? As in, perpetrated by his own teammates? One factor in Tebow not playing was that most of the O Line had never played in a read option and some refused to start learning how now. Some people would say that is pretty selfish for a player. Especially an offensive lineman.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I think he could go to KC and develop.

can you imagine TT in Reid's West Coast Offence?

He can throw the slant. I think Tebow would seriously need to develop. No doubt. But there isn't anyone better than Reid at developing QBs. And Tebow offers the durability Reid never had in Vick.

didn't teblows break his ribs after 10 plays this year?

Not playing QB he didn't. Didn't it happen in practice? As in, perpetrated by his own teammates? One factor in Tebow not playing was that most of the O Line had never played in a read option and some refused to start learning how now. Some people would say that is pretty selfish for a player. Especially an offensive lineman.

so, you're saying he couldn't even make it through practice without breaking his ribs?

 

[ICON211]

I don't think there would have been an issue if Tebow would have sat behind Sanchez. But when Sanchez went down in flames and the Jets didn't bring in Tebow, it just looked really, REALLY bad. I don't think Tebow has been as vocal about his faith as the media lets on either. The media has painted him into a corner and asked him about his faith. All he has done is tell the truth on his beliefs. You can't really compare him to any other QB. He has been successful everywhere he has played. Every time he has played. It's just really obvious to most people that he has been "black-balled" by the NFL. Do you think that the NFL could survive the missed income from a starting Tebow? Of course they can...and they don't mind making an example out of a "self-proclaimed" Christian just like all of the other liberal media outlets try to do.

The above is absolute foolishness. Neither the NFL nor the media have set out to "make and example" of Tebow because of his faith. Kurt Warner was (and is) an open and proud born again Christian and no one discriminated against him because of his faith.

Kurt Warner was never the poster child for the Christian professional. The circus surrounding him was and is insane. No, not all owners are non-Christians. Of course not, but there are a lot of people with a lot of $ that aren't. I can see why Caldwell had to make a statement. Trying to difuse the oncoming fire. I still think he ends up in Jax. Wouldn't be the first time a coach gave a mistruth on a statement. Granted, I've never watched him "practice" but every game I've ever watched him play...he was a winner and made many great throws. A playoff game in Denver last year comes to mind. Grr.

We must be watching different games. He was good in maybe 3 games in Denver. In the others he was bordering on an embarrassment.

 

[Ranethe]

I think he could go to KC and develop.

can you imagine TT in Reid's West Coast Offence?

He can throw the slant. I think Tebow would seriously need to develop. No doubt. But there isn't anyone better than Reid at developing QBs. And Tebow offers the durability Reid never had in Vick.

didn't teblows break his ribs after 10 plays this year?

Not playing QB he didn't. Didn't it happen in practice? As in, perpetrated by his own teammates? One factor in Tebow not playing was that most of the O Line had never played in a read option and some refused to start learning how now. Some people would say that is pretty selfish for a player. Especially an offensive lineman.

Oh really? So now o-lineman can just refuse to do what they're told to do by their coaches-assuming what you say is correct?This thread is brutal- between you and B & G. You guys are just making #### up and talking out your ###.

 

[Ranethe]

I seriously can't believe this is even a topic. There are no conspiracies, no holding his faith against him, he's not getting screwed, etc. He was avaiable to all 32 teams, and no one wanted to cough up more than a 4th for the guy. He can't play. Good teams win games despite bad QB play all the time, which is exactly what happened last year in Denver.

This has to be one of the worst threads I've seen here. Guy has to be fishing, nobody can be so clueless

 

[ICON211]

I think he could go to KC and develop.

can you imagine TT in Reid's West Coast Offence?

He can throw the slant. I think Tebow would seriously need to develop. No doubt. But there isn't anyone better than Reid at developing QBs. And Tebow offers the durability Reid never had in Vick.

didn't teblows break his ribs after 10 plays this year?

Not playing QB he didn't. Didn't it happen in practice? As in, perpetrated by his own teammates? One factor in Tebow not playing was that most of the O Line had never played in a read option and some refused to start learning how now. Some people would say that is pretty selfish for a player. Especially an offensive lineman.

Are you suggesting his teammates injured him on purpose? Where are you getting that the offensive lineman refused to play? And what was the reason he did not play..........the Jets were incompetent, there is a conspiracy against him, or because the offensive lineman refused to play a system the Jets wanted to employ? I am getting confused now as to the reason he did not get to start.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I just want to know what he's got against earthworms.

 

[lod01]

Yeah. Reid is magic with QBs. He would adjust the offense the same way he did with Vick. Only Tebow offers more durability.

2 problems. Tebow is not a QB and he has durability but no ability.No team that is looking to improve is going to waste time, resource and $ on this clown.

 

[KellysHeroes]

he'll be in Jax next yr; not saying he'll be starting but he'll be there. The GM said what he said so the Jets would release him.

 

[ICON211]

he'll be in Jax next yr; not saying he'll be starting but he'll be there. The GM said what he said so the Jets would release him.

Jets are releasing him regardless. No way he is back there again next year. He might have said that though to avoid a fine for talking about a player under contract to another team in his first press conference. I could see Jax revisiting the situation again.

 

[GregR]

his brother and his fanbase probably aren't doing him too many favors. the latter could be a big factor in teams deciding whether it's worth it to bring him on board.

Can someone explain this?1. A player brings a fan base to a franchise, that's good, right?2. If the starting QB plays well and the team plays well, no issue, right? But If the starting QB and the team falter, the team will need someone who can step in and possibly win, and so the fans (TT fan base or not) will be calling for the backup, right?No. 1 means more money (jerseys, tickets, ratings, etc.)No. 2 is the same as every other team in the NFL.

#2 is not the same as every other team when it's Tebow that's involved. The level of controversy that happens can become a distraction for the team.Then there are the parts you didn't mention. Tebow is not good enough passing or at reading defenses to run a normal offense. Which means if you do have to turn to your backup QB, you have to suddenly change your offensive scheme fairly drastically to be the most effective you can with that personnel. So now a team has to decide... do we split our practice time between both offenses in case we ever need to go to our backup, and in doing so potentially make our starting offense less effective because of less practice? Or do we just stick with our main offense and then if our backup ever has to go in we'll scramble to adapt.There is also the question of what do you do when your defense isn't able to keep the other team to a below average offensive output? Look at Houston's situation where Matt Schaub gets criticism because people feel he isn't a good enough QB to bring a team from behind when they go down more than one score. It's the exact same thing with Tebow... if another team can put them behind and force Tebow to throw, there isn't a lot of reason to feel optimistic about the outcome. So do you have a 3rd QB who plays when trailing?I think a situation where Tebow would do the best would be a team who was going to commit to running his kind of offense all the time, where they will get a starter and backup both who can play that way. But Tebow's lack of passing skills is going to hurt him even there. When you figure the media circus that comes with him (which is due to his fans, not Tebow), it's not surprising teams have to ask if it's worth it.

 

[GregR]

By the way, came across this in a John Oehser chat session (writer for the Jaguars), and it summed up my thoughts on an earlier comment here that had me chuckling.

Bob from Jacksonville: NFL people have not given Tebow a fair chance, nor will they, because of his outspoken Christianity. It's really that simple.

John: Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady could speak daily about worshiping the little green man who lives in their glove compartment and teams would print out shirts saying, “All Praise the Little Green Man.” If teams truly believed they could win a Super Bowl with Tebow at quarterback, he would get a chance. Rightly or wrongly, there hasn’t been a team yet that believed that.

 

[Christo]

By the way, came across this in a John Oehser chat session (writer for the Jaguars), and it summed up my thoughts on an earlier comment here that had me chuckling.

Bob from Jacksonville: NFL people have not given Tebow a fair chance, nor will they, because of his outspoken Christianity. It's really that simple.

John: Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady could speak daily about worshiping the little green man who lives in their glove compartment and teams would print out shirts saying, “All Praise the Little Green Man.” If teams truly believed they could win a Super Bowl with Tebow at quarterback, he would get a chance. Rightly or wrongly, there hasn’t been a team yet that believed that.

That's a little disingenuous. Everyone knows their outcomes. Would they have been given the chance had they talked about the Little Green Man before they proved themselves?

 

[mad sweeney]

I'm one of the biggest religion scoffers around but it's never been an issue for me. There are tons of openly Christian players out there. If you got rid or blackballed players that talked about god every time they're on camera, at least a third of the league would be gone. Hell, Russell Wilson sends out a verse every morning on his twitter and he's a media darling. The idea that his faith is somehow being held against him is one of the stupidest theories in NFL history. It truly belongs in the self imposed persecution complex column. Dude was a spectacular college player, maybe best of all time, so he's got a ton of media attention that's going to follow him around. But seriously, hundreds of athletes every season talk about God every time there's a mic in their face. The idea that this one guy is being blackballed for the same is just stupid. His Super Bowl anti-abortion commercial was arrogant and inappropriate IMO but that's my perception and it didn't make me have disdain for him.

 

[GregR]

By the way, came across this in a John Oehser chat session (writer for the Jaguars), and it summed up my thoughts on an earlier comment here that had me chuckling.

Bob from Jacksonville: NFL people have not given Tebow a fair chance, nor will they, because of his outspoken Christianity. It's really that simple.

John: Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady could speak daily about worshiping the little green man who lives in their glove compartment and teams would print out shirts saying, “All Praise the Little Green Man.” If teams truly believed they could win a Super Bowl with Tebow at quarterback, he would get a chance. Rightly or wrongly, there hasn’t been a team yet that believed that.

That's a little disingenuous. Everyone knows their outcomes. Would they have been given the chance had they talked about the Little Green Man before they proved themselves?

Yes, they would have.I think it's ludicrous to think an NFL coach won't play a player that he thinks will make his team successful just because he's religiously outspoken.

 

[zilladog]

Religion has permeated football since like, forever. The public is used to hearing athletes praise Jesus after every single game on camera. Ray Lewis press conferences are practically prayer meetings. There is a long list of issues people have with Tebow that all exist between the hashes before religion ever comes into it. To think that religion has anything at all to do with the Tebow hate is absolutely ludicrous. The only ones making it about his religion are religious people. We all understand its a big facet of his personality, but beyond that no one cares.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

The problem isn't Tebow's religion. It's his followers who, because of his religion, do not listen to reason and seem to feel he's persecuted.Keep in mind I've argued in this very thread that I don't think he's been given a fair shot and I think he was treated poorly in New York. I believe I can back that up by his results on the field, the ability he's shown and the success he's had in limited opportunities. He's won games, including a playoff game. His QB rating, his running ability, his win percentage...none of it is an embarrassment. Whatever he can be, he's not so awful that he shouldn't get a shot with a loser organization with nothing to play for at the end of the year when every other QB around him is either injured or awful.But forget all that. Some of his supporters are crazy. I know many people don't believe in him, and I think they can back it up with logic, their view on stats and a perception that he just doesn't have it. I don't think it's because he's Christian. I don't agree with them (yet. They might be right. I just think he should get a shot) but I don't think they have a vendetta against him.But his followers do him a disservice. They're the nutty ones who create the circus that makes his risk/reward look out of whack to NFL teams. The truth is that I know people who root for him ONLY because of his religion. If there's a bias, it's for Tebow by people who want to see a person with an open faith succeed. Why don't these people bother Kaepernick?

 

[Ignoramus]

.... Furthermore, I AM a Ray Lewis fan and he gets pass after pass for getting on his stump about God. Nobody writes story's about it much less mentions it. Tebow thanks The Lord and it splits party's like the fiscal cliff.

I hate it that the NFL won't let people play just because they're open about their faith.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

Silly to think it is because of his religion. I started the thread and that is the one thing I am sure him not getting a fair chance is not about. Plenty of religious people in the NFL. Its the throwing motion, period. And after the coaches messed with it, his accuracy. IMO

 

[habsfan]

I haven't read 4 pages of posts but I'm hard pressed to think of many QBs with similar passing skills who have gotten more of a shot than Tebow has.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

I haven't read 4 pages of posts but I'm hard pressed to think of many QBs with similar passing skills who have gotten more of a shot than Tebow has.

Rich Gannon. Kordell Stewart. Tavaris Jackson. Off the top of my head. I could come up with dozens of failed NFL QBs. The one difference is they didn't win games. All of them had running skills, but none had the swagger of this guy. There is no arguing that, for whatever reason, Tebow has been successful at winning games at every level. Until he starts losing, I think he earns a shot. And, like I had said earlier, he had historically been an accurate passer. I think that the Broncos tinkering may have been the problem.Edit to add: Rich Gannon developed into a good passer. But in the beginning, he was terribly inaccurate.

 

[Black&Gold]

It would be interesting to see what the interest is for him in the league if he was to be released. Right now, he has just been traded and has to go where his previous team sends him. I know that NY only gave up a 7th....Is that the best offer they got? Hmmm. He'll get his shot...one more. If he fails, he fails. But somebody will give him a shot. BTW, I love Kaepernick and Wilson. I really think they are great for the game.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

It would be interesting to see what the interest is for him in the league if he was to be released. Right now, he has just been traded and has to go where his previous team sends him. I know that NY only gave up a 7th....Is that the best offer they got? Hmmm. He'll get his shot...one more. If he fails, he fails. But somebody will give him a shot. BTW, I love Kaepernick and Wilson. I really think they are great for the game.

I agree. The "college" read-option is turning out to be a nice addition to offenses, especially considering how the rules favor QBs. Kap and Wilson are welcome additions. Exciting players.

 

[Tanner9919]

I see the 73 page Tebow Era thread and decided this deserves its own thread.

Tebow has been a winning QB in the NFL. He provided a dimension that has caused numerous copycats around the league. Washington, Carolina and San Francisco, just to name a few, have run a version of the read-option this year following its success with Tebow last year.

However, I am saying that Tebow provides an element none of the other QBs do - durability of a fullback/H-Back. I feel he has a different frame than any of the other people playing the position. He has been running the read option since high school. He can handle a 200+ carry season. Tim brings a power running game to the QB position. As a fan of power running teams like Pittsburgh or the NYG, I know football is won or lost by your ability to dominate a 10 yard area from the line of scrimmage. Especially in the 4th quarter, Tebow helps you dominate that 10 yard area.

I still believe he has not been used properly yet. I believe he needs to run the ball at least 10 times a game. Get 20+ runs out of your running back and you can expect the defense to be hurting. Because he CAN run 20 times in a game, the safety HAS to respect the QB rushing. There is no one in the game that will force the safety in the box like Tebow. So there is usually no help over the top on defense. Which is why the deep ball opens up.

I think the biggest problem with Tebow is that the coaches tinkered too much with his throwing motion. Because of the safety crowding the line, I don't think that Tebow needs to have the fastest throwing motion. Or even a fast motion. He needs to see the defense and throw accurately when people are open. I think the coaches should stop listening to Steve Young, who has been trying to change his motion in a way so Tebow could fit into a west coast offense, and let Tebow just chuck the ball like a baseball the way he does. I am telling you accuracy of his throws was not a problem in high school or college. It was always the speed of his delivery. People need to see whether he can use his slow mechanics in the nfl. He has earned that. If he was accurate on his throws, there would be no debate.

To the point of the post, I think he was brought to New York strictly as a publicity stunt to trump the Giants following the Super Bowl win. The owner of the Jets should be ashamed. At the least, he set back the career of Tebow, who appeared promising. In the end, Tebow won games and could still win games with 15 creative read-option plays in a run based offense. I think he is getting the shaft.

but that's the point, Tebow does NOT throw the ball with ANY accuracy at all.and that's why he doesn't get a chance to start..Rex sees him every day in practice.he probably cringes everytime Tebow throws a pass..for 2011 he completed just 46.7% of his passes.in games he won that year he had the following stats:

13-27

10-21

2-8

9-20

9-18

10-15

21-39

and ended the season 6-22 against KC.. 6 for 22!

he sports a whopping career 47.9 comp percentage with a 75.3 rate..that's not cutting it..

people need to give up this idea that Tebow can play football at the pro level.

just because a guy was an all-time great in college doesn't mean he will also be a great player in the NFL..

you're right about the Jets bringing him onboard to mess with the Giants' publicity..

people will harp on Alex Smith to no end for 'lack of NFL ability' , but they tout Tebow as the most disrespected player,ever,that he should be given a shot,etc..

he has been given his fair shot,he isn't NFL ready.