Is this sleazy or did I overreact? (1 Viewer)

[Adam Harstad]

Thanks everybody for the feedback. Then I definitely overreacted; I will apologize tomorrow. Note: I wasn't saying the trade should be official, rather offering it and reneging it was wrong, but either case everybody reads how I behaved as terrible so I get it.

There's nothing at all wrong with discussing offers and then later changing them. Until it's in the system, it's not official.

Earlier this offseason, I offered to trade Justin Hunter for Colin Kaepernick in a dynasty league. The guy said he'd sleep on it. I slept on it, too. He came back the next day and said he'd do it, but I told him that I was having second thoughts and I needed more. I wound up giving Hunter and two fourths for Kaepernick and the 3.01. It wasn't me being sleazy, that's just what I needed to feel comfortable about the trade. The other guy was irritated that the price went up on him overnight, but that's how it is- no offer is final until it's in the system. He understood. He's by far my most frequent trade partner in that league, and we've traded again since.

By and large, very little good ever comes from assuming ill intent on the part of the guy's you're dealing with.

 

[Adam Harstad]

Wtf is this?!? Is this real life?

Real fantasy life, yep.

And if you are 0-8 and mathematically out of the playoffs, you are a total D-bag to make ANY deal with ANY other team PERIOD (speaking redraft of course)

Strongly, strongly disagree with this.

If I'm 0-8, I'm still fighting like hell to get every single win I can. I owe it to the rest of the league. It's not fair to the guys who had to face me early in the season when I was trying my hardest if other owners get to face me late in the season after I have packed it in.

Guys who have been mathematically eliminated from the playoffs should still be allowed to trade, and to make waiver claims, and access every other tool in their toolbelt to try to improve their teams.

 

[DukeBroadway]

Wtf is this?!? Is this real life?

Real fantasy life, yep.

And if you are 0-8 and mathematically out of the playoffs, you are a total D-bag to make ANY deal with ANY other team PERIOD (speaking redraft of course)

Strongly, strongly disagree with this.

If I'm 0-8, I'm still fighting like hell to get every single win I can. I owe it to the rest of the league. It's not fair to the guys who had to face me early in the season when I was trying my hardest if other owners get to face me late in the season after I have packed it in.

Guys who have been mathematically eliminated from the playoffs should still be allowed to trade, and to make waiver claims, and access every other tool in their toolbelt to try to improve their teams.

I strongly, strongly, strongly disagree. I would be active on the waiver wire on a redraft. Dynasty purposes hell yes, make moves this season to position you for next season. Redraft I wouldnt make trades with contenders, especially if my first trade comes after I have no chance at a run while padding another teams run. I have had plently of opportunities to make trades during a down year and declined cause it just doesn't look right when at the trade deadline a 0-8 team trades with a top tier team. Especially when adds/trades cost money per pick up. Throwing money away for no reason. In the end, its each person's conscience.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

This helps me appreciate being in a league with business dudes and lawyers. 99% of your banter is meaningless. That said, it sure seemed to me that he made an offer and you accepted it. I might not call him out on it depending on the background, but there's not question he made a deal then backed out after you accepted.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

Things were going fine until you went off the rails saying you wanted to post the text chain to the league to see if they felt the other owners were being slimy. You have seriously burnt a bridge with those owners and if all of the owners in the league are tight and you are "the outsider", you can bet that the other bridges have been burned as well. So now, you will need several more years to rebuild bridges you just torched.

As for the premise of the trade - nothing is a trade until it is on the wire. It sucks sometimes, but that is just the way it is.

 

[DukeBroadway]

Things were going fine until you went off the rails saying you wanted to post the text chain to the league to see if they felt the other owners were being slimy. You have seriously burnt a bridge with those owners and if all of the owners in the league are tight and you are "the outsider", you can bet that the other bridges have been burned as well. So now, you will need several more years to rebuild bridges you just torched.

As for the premise of the trade - nothing is a trade until it is on the wire. It sucks sometimes, but that is just the way it is.

Nebraska dude knows whats up.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Things were going fine until...

Disagree. Things started badly here:

Yesterday, I emailed them "I can wait it out … but any offer comes first from Jack and you since I made the offer on draft day."

and just got progressively more cringeworthy as it went on. I hope for OPs sake that he's just trolling and this didn't really happen.

 

[rockaction]

Things were going fine until...

Disagree. Things started badly here:

Yesterday, I emailed them "I can wait it out … but any offer comes first from Jack and you since I made the offer on draft day."

and just got progressively more cringeworthy as it went on. I hope for OPs sake that he's just trolling and this didn't really happen.

Yeah, I've looked at all the profiles, views, and posts that have entered this thread.

This is weird. All I'm saying...

Love your work with the subscriber contest. Thanks, man.

 

[meatwad1]

I read through about half of that drivel and then had to stop because I started to get a headache. This is a pretty simple problem to solve. You have this thing on your computer and it is called an 'accept' button. You use it when someone formally sends you an offer.

For the life of me, I can't understand how two grown men text each other like this though....or are we talking about ladies here? That would explain a lot.

 

[Zaphod]

Sometimes your words though can be hurtful.

Is it safe for me to assume John teaches kindergarten?

Don't make me put your behavior clip on red!

 

[matuski]

Why did you hate them so much?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Why do you call John "Derek"?

 

[Trenchcoat]

I thought you lashed out poorly.

That said, I was in a similar situation in a dynasty league where I accepted a trade offer over text in the offseason but the other party backed out once it came time for the rookie draft. In our situation, there was no way to "finalize offer" using software since they league's site wasn't open.

To me, a verbal contract is a contract. I don't get how it's alright to say you accept a trade and then back out because you didn't hit some button on a website. When you agree to something, especially with a long-time friend or leaguemate, isn't that giving your word?

 

[PatsWillWin]

You come off terribly here

Seriously.

 

[Chapelboy]

I have a clear rule as commissioner: owners can offer whatever they want, agree to whatever they want, on any method of communication they want (phone, text, email, etc) but UNTIL it is submitted via the league website and approved by me, it never happened.

I ensure none of this silly nonsense I just finished reading exists in my FF universe.

 

[steelers1080]

In my league a trade is official if it's sent online or if a hand shake occurs with the commish as a witness. Then the commish puts the trade through even if someone tries to back out.

It's a Man's League.

 

[B-Deep]

It was really clear there's no way he was accepting this without consulting with his co-owner. The op knew this so much he tried to bold where he thinks it shows the other owner was involved

ricidulous, i would kick you from my league if I were the comish. quit trying to lawyer and play the game, banchini

 

[nirad3]

TLDR

 

[solorca]

The OP comes off sounding like a whiny baby, but I do understand his annoyance. I absolutely hate playing in leagues where a team has co-owners. I'm sure there are some good ones out there, but I always find them to be the worst teams to deal with and in general, I tend to avoid even trying to make trades because it always ends up with (less douchey) back and forths like this.

 

[habsfan]

I have a clear rule as commissioner: owners can offer whatever they want, agree to whatever they want, on any method of communication they want (phone, text, email, etc) but UNTIL it is submitted via the league website and approved by me, it never happened.

I ensure none of this silly nonsense I just finished reading exists in my FF universe.

I have similar rules: stay out of everything I possibly can and treat people like grown-ups.

 

[hxperson]

Those guys were wrong and did pull a bit of a fast one on you - it was highly disingenuous for him to say he'd post it on the wire if he wasn't really making you an offer. However, you definitely overreacted to it.

IMO where you really went wrong though is your emotional explosion when John told you he needed to check with Jack. That was a huge negotiating error as you basically gave away how badly you wanted this trade to get done. John no doubt realized this and put doubts in his mind about how lopsided it was, giving you an almost zero percent chance that he would come back with the same deal in place.

You would have been much better off playing it cool and responding with a text that implied that you were indifferent about whether or not the deal went through. Maybe remind them (subtly) that while Hill was just a $2 acquisition, you wanted him on your team for several reasons, and that Josh Gordon is going to to be a waste of valuable roster space for several weeks that may not ever be productive this season. This is the benefit of negotiation via texts and emails - you have the time to react strategically rather than emotionally to any back and forth.

 

[G5781]

Jeremy Hill was really on waivers and only went for $2?

 

[unckeyherb]

what. the. fudge.

Do dudes really text each other like this? I'm 35 but christ, maybe I'm older than I feel.

 

[need2know]

I can't believe I read this. Hate to see how you deal with real problems.

And yes you come off as a royal a $ $ hat

 

[Johnny Blood]

Only two comments:

1)The sexual tension in that exchange is palpable.

2)Where are the missing Cobb texts? That could be the key to this whole thing.

 

[redfive]

You're the kind of guy I don't want in my league. sheesh ...

 

[Dark Matter]

Mods...please move to the FFA. This is SUCH a Friday thread

 

[Pop Tart]

Yep, you come off terrible here.

1. He made it clear that he wanted to clear it with his partner first.

2. No trade is official cause of a text or verbal agreement; it is not official until it is accepted on the site you are using.

Basically, it sounds like you were trying to pull a fast one.

Serious question, how old are you?

 

[Pop Tart]

Wtf is this?!? Is this real life?

Real fantasy life, yep.

And if you are 0-8 and mathematically out of the playoffs, you are a total D-bag to make ANY deal with ANY other team PERIOD (speaking redraft of course)

Sort of........

If it's a dynasty or keeper league, then there's a reason

 

[ponchsox]

Did not read/10

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I'm guessing michael sam went in the first round

 

[mquinnjr]

Wtf. League votes and a bunch of cry babies. Yall need to grow a pair

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Only two comments:

1)The sexual tension in that exchange is palpable.

2)Where are the missing Cobb texts? That could be the key to this whole thing.

CobbGate

 

[RushHour]

Weirdest thing about all this to me is the use of the word "sleazy" in this context.

 

[bigbrownbag]

Both on your part

 

[*****]

This helps me appreciate being in a league with business dudes and lawyers. 99% of your banter is meaningless. That said, it sure seemed to me that he made an offer and you accepted it. I might not call him out on it depending on the background, but there's not question he made a deal then backed out after you accepted.

I completely agree. The notion that one can make an offer and then renege on it because it was "not in the system" is absurd. I am surprised so many folks responded by indicating that this is how they operate in their leagues.

If I email an offer to someone and he accepts, we both should be held to the deal. It's even in writing. Even if I have regrets, where he has accepted, I should not be able to withdraw the offer. I will enter it in the system and go through with it--even if I wish I had not made the offer in the first place. An agreement has already been made, with or without using the website.

If I were to press the issue, I would expect my commissioners to affirm the trade. That being said, I did have someone accept an offer last year via email that I posted on our team message board. Less than an hour after I confirmed the deal, he came back with buyer's remorse and did not want to do the deal. I did not hold him to the deal because I did not want the friction or to create bad blood. But, if the situation was reversed, I would expect to be held to the deal--by him or the commissioner.

That being said, the banter here is childish. I think the other party was clear enough that he needed to check with his partner and any deal was contingent on both owners' approval. It's pretty simple:

Him: "Gordon for Hill?"

You: "Is that a firm offer that has the approval of your partner"

If yes: "Then we have a deal"

If no: "Go get your partner's approval and I'll accept."

 

[rockaction]

This helps me appreciate being in a league with business dudes and lawyers. 99% of your banter is meaningless. That said, it sure seemed to me that he made an offer and you accepted it. I might not call him out on it depending on the background, but there's not question he made a deal then backed out after you accepted.

I completely agree. The notion that one can make an offer and then renege on it because it was "not in the system" is absurd. I am surprised so many folks responded by indicating that this is how they operate in their leagues.

If I email an offer to someone and he accepts, we both should be held to the deal. It's even in writing. Even if I have regrets, where he has accepted, I should not be able to withdraw the offer. I will enter it in the system and go through with it--even if I wish I had not made the offer in the first place. An agreement has already been made, with or without using the website.

If I were to press the issue, I would expect my commissioners to affirm the trade. That being said, I did have someone accept an offer last year via email that I posted on our team message board. Less than an hour after I confirmed the deal, he came back with buyer's remorse and did not want to do the deal. I did not hold him to the deal because I did not want the friction or to create bad blood. But, if the situation was reversed, I would expect to be held to the deal--by him or the commissioner.

That being said, the banter here is childish. I think the other party was clear enough that he needed to check with his partner and any deal was contingent on both owners' approval. It's pretty simple:

Him: "Gordon for Hill?"

You: "Is that a firm offer that has the approval of your partner"

If yes: "Then we have a deal"

If no: "Go get your partner's approval and I'll accept."

Honestly, eat a bag of it. Strunk and White...is for failed writers who became lawyers.

eta* and I mean "for" as in "for your benefit."

 

[rockaction]

Y'all can go home. They'll never put an identity to the bull####.

Gutless.

eta* But I know...

 

[MIMN]

Some of the responses in this thread made reading the text slap fight.

As with most, I think that John comes off as the better person in the exchange.

Everyone knows that a common nickname for John is Derrick.

 

[DropKick]

Yep, you come off terrible here.

1. He made it clear that he wanted to clear it with his partner first.

2. No trade is official cause of a text or verbal agreement; it is not official until it is accepted on the site you are using.

Basically, it sounds like you were trying to pull a fast one.

Let's not let the other buy off the hook just because he could always defer the deal to his partner's "approval". He is clearly stirring the pot by throwing out offers he knows won't be made... He is irked he can't get Hill for Williams and is being a jerk.

Mike,

I didn't think you were THAT bad other than insisting they make the offer first (because you did last time ???). But, you should know better than to deal with an antagonist. In the future, have trade discussions but insist all offers be formal (via your site).

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Y'all can go home. They'll never put an identity to the bull####.

Gutless.

eta* But I know...

What the #### are you talking about in this thread.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I cannot believe I just read all that...

This. Any chance I get the last five minutes of my life back? Will include $2 pickup.

IS THAT AN OFFER?

 

[*****]

This helps me appreciate being in a league with business dudes and lawyers. 99% of your banter is meaningless. That said, it sure seemed to me that he made an offer and you accepted it. I might not call him out on it depending on the background, but there's not question he made a deal then backed out after you accepted.

I completely agree. The notion that one can make an offer and then renege on it because it was "not in the system" is absurd. I am surprised so many folks responded by indicating that this is how they operate in their leagues.

If I email an offer to someone and he accepts, we both should be held to the deal. It's even in writing. Even if I have regrets, where he has accepted, I should not be able to withdraw the offer. I will enter it in the system and go through with it--even if I wish I had not made the offer in the first place. An agreement has already been made, with or without using the website.

If I were to press the issue, I would expect my commissioners to affirm the trade. That being said, I did have someone accept an offer last year via email that I posted on our team message board. Less than an hour after I confirmed the deal, he came back with buyer's remorse and did not want to do the deal. I did not hold him to the deal because I did not want the friction or to create bad blood. But, if the situation was reversed, I would expect to be held to the deal--by him or the commissioner.

That being said, the banter here is childish. I think the other party was clear enough that he needed to check with his partner and any deal was contingent on both owners' approval. It's pretty simple:

Him: "Gordon for Hill?"

You: "Is that a firm offer that has the approval of your partner"

If yes: "Then we have a deal"

If no: "Go get your partner's approval and I'll accept."

Honestly, eat a bag of it. Strunk and White...is for failed writers who became lawyers.

eta* and I mean "for" as in "for your benefit."

Sounds like someone couldn't cut it in law school and is just a little sore about it.

Seriously, you went from zero to crazy in about 4.5 seconds flat. I wasn't even talking to you and you go to the "eat a bag" response. You've got problems, fella.

 

[mrbigg]

I cannot believe I just read all that...

This. Any chance I get the last five minutes of my life back? Will include $2 pickup.

IS THAT AN OFFER?

Sorry gotta get my partner's approval....

he said no.

 

[rockaction]

This helps me appreciate being in a league with business dudes and lawyers. 99% of your banter is meaningless. That said, it sure seemed to me that he made an offer and you accepted it. I might not call him out on it depending on the background, but there's not question he made a deal then backed out after you accepted.

I completely agree. The notion that one can make an offer and then renege on it because it was "not in the system" is absurd. I am surprised so many folks responded by indicating that this is how they operate in their leagues.

If I email an offer to someone and he accepts, we both should be held to the deal. It's even in writing. Even if I have regrets, where he has accepted, I should not be able to withdraw the offer. I will enter it in the system and go through with it--even if I wish I had not made the offer in the first place. An agreement has already been made, with or without using the website.

If I were to press the issue, I would expect my commissioners to affirm the trade. That being said, I did have someone accept an offer last year via email that I posted on our team message board. Less than an hour after I confirmed the deal, he came back with buyer's remorse and did not want to do the deal. I did not hold him to the deal because I did not want the friction or to create bad blood. But, if the situation was reversed, I would expect to be held to the deal--by him or the commissioner.

That being said, the banter here is childish. I think the other party was clear enough that he needed to check with his partner and any deal was contingent on both owners' approval. It's pretty simple:

Him: "Gordon for Hill?"

You: "Is that a firm offer that has the approval of your partner"

If yes: "Then we have a deal"

If no: "Go get your partner's approval and I'll accept."

Honestly, eat a bag of it. Strunk and White...is for failed writers who became lawyers.

eta* and I mean "for" as in "for your benefit."

Sounds like someone couldn't cut it in law school and is just a little sore about it.

Seriously, you went from zero to crazy in about 4.5 seconds flat. I wasn't even talking to you and you go to the "eat a bag" response. You've got problems, fella.

Says the guy with 700 posts since 14 April 03 and a completely starred-out name? Okay.

 

[rockaction]

Y'all can go home. They'll never put an identity to the bull####.

Gutless.

eta* But I know...

What the #### are you talking about in this thread.

Don't worry. I shouldn't have even commented. Sorry.

 

[the_vision]

Oops, you did it again.

 

[FlapJacks]

This helps me appreciate being in a league with business dudes and lawyers. 99% of your banter is meaningless. That said, it sure seemed to me that he made an offer and you accepted it. I might not call him out on it depending on the background, but there's not question he made a deal then backed out after you accepted.

I completely agree. The notion that one can make an offer and then renege on it because it was "not in the system" is absurd. I am surprised so many folks responded by indicating that this is how they operate in their leagues.

If I email an offer to someone and he accepts, we both should be held to the deal. It's even in writing. Even if I have regrets, where he has accepted, I should not be able to withdraw the offer. I will enter it in the system and go through with it--even if I wish I had not made the offer in the first place. An agreement has already been made, with or without using the website.

If I were to press the issue, I would expect my commissioners to affirm the trade. That being said, I did have someone accept an offer last year via email that I posted on our team message board. Less than an hour after I confirmed the deal, he came back with buyer's remorse and did not want to do the deal. I did not hold him to the deal because I did not want the friction or to create bad blood. But, if the situation was reversed, I would expect to be held to the deal--by him or the commissioner.

That being said, the banter here is childish. I think the other party was clear enough that he needed to check with his partner and any deal was contingent on both owners' approval. It's pretty simple:

Him: "Gordon for Hill?"

You: "Is that a firm offer that has the approval of your partner"

If yes: "Then we have a deal"

If no: "Go get your partner's approval and I'll accept."

Honestly, eat a bag of it. Strunk and White...is for failed writers who became lawyers.

eta* and I mean "for" as in "for your benefit."

Sounds like someone couldn't cut it in law school and is just a little sore about it.

Seriously, you went from zero to crazy in about 4.5 seconds flat. I wasn't even talking to you and you go to the "eat a bag" response. You've got problems, fella.

Says the guy with 700 posts since 14 April 03 and a completely starred-out name? Okay.

Hey, he knows bird law...

 

[firstseason1988]

I didn't read all the posts here. But you do have a point to some degree. I had a good friend make a verbal offer once I accepted, and he immediately reneged. I called him out for that being uncool to test the waters, he understood and we moved on. It feels like you are playing for a decent amount of money since you are taking it so personally. I have learned through experience and on forums like this that playing fantasy for big money with friends can cause real world problems in what should be fantasy.

 

[Chaka]

Ok. So then you think I overreacted and an offer was not made.

Definitely.