Is This The Year I Can Wait On A Tight End? (1 Viewer)

[RalphMouth]

I'm not in the part of the draft where Gronk & Graham will be available.

When doing Mocks once Davis & Gates go the next batch all go in a run (Witten, Finley, Hernandez, Tamme)

Would you be happy with Gresham or Pettigrew as your starter?

Wondering if waiting till the 8th or 9th round is a shark move this year.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I'm not in the part of the draft where Gronk & Graham will be available.

When doing Mocks once Davis & Gates go the next batch all go in a run (Witten, Finley, Hernandez, Tamme)

Would you be happy with Gresham or Pettigrew as your starter?

no.

Wondering if waiting till the 8th or 9th round is a shark move this year.

people say this every year.sometimes they pick the right guy.

 

[rizzler]

Im drafting in the 12 spot. Im grabbing best RB available and graham.

Unless Brees falls

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Im drafting in the 12 spot. Im grabbing best RB available and graham.Unless Brees falls

RB looks like a wasteland at the turn to me. Matthews, DMC, MJD all gone. Now that Forte has signed, I think he's 50/50 to go in the 1.10 - 1.11 range also. You're looking at a rookie in a bad offense (TRich), a guy with a handful of good games in RBBC on a passing team (Murray), and a guy coming off of a brutal knee injury (Charles).I'm prolly going TE / QB in that spot to get guys that I'm certain will perform as studs. I love a ton of WRs in the 3rd, then Reggie Bush in the 4th and Peyton Hillis late in the 5th seem like very safe bets to finish in the 10 - 15 range at RB (assuming PPR). I'm really liking the 11/12 slots this year.

 

[Chazzhawk]

I'm not in the part of the draft where Gronk & Graham will be available.

When doing Mocks once Davis & Gates go the next batch all go in a run (Witten, Finley, Hernandez, Tamme)

Would you be happy with Gresham or Pettigrew as your starter?

Yes

Wondering if waiting till the 8th or 9th round is a shark move this year.

This is not the year to wait on a tight end, you need to pick one by round 6 or 7.

 

[Caesar]

I'm not in the part of the draft where Gronk & Graham will be available.

When doing Mocks once Davis & Gates go the next batch all go in a run (Witten, Finley, Hernandez, Tamme)

Would you be happy with Gresham or Pettigrew as your starter?

Yes

Wondering if waiting till the 8th or 9th round is a shark move this year.

This is not the year to wait on a tight end, you need to pick one by round 6 or 7.

It always depends on the format. In my draft last night, TE get 1.5 per reception. 12 TEs went in the first 7 rounds. Pettigrew went in the 4th and Gresham went in the 8th. I would take Gresham in the 8th over Pettigrew in the 4th 100 times out of 100.

 

[ggggh7]

yes, wait..use the spot on....

1. Graham...emmm whoops, really he is a top 5 wr.

2. grab a qb in the 5th, and a 2nd qb in the 6,7,8th. think ryan/rivers..an example

3.

"shotgun" rb looking for Hills..(hides head,yes tired already of him being talked about, he is a solid play and we all know it)

4.wr from a top qb, thinking ... Lloyd,decker, oak wr.. to tell the truth, this advise on a wr is probably worthless, as they are gone anyway.

te has traditionally been a match up position in 1/2/3/1/1/1 , except for gates. so just wait. h. miller, Rudolph, K. come to mind late,late in drafts.

 

[Trizzler]

In a PPR league, taking Graham over a questionable RB such as...well...all of the RBs after the first three, is duck soup. He's going to provide stats that will most likely compete with the top 5 WRs, and he's shown more consistency than guys like Jordy Nelson or Victor Cruz. Considering the prognosis on Gronk's foot, (the signing of Shiancoe should be somewhat of a concern) Graham is far and away the best TE option on the board.

Now to play devil's advocate: Graham was valuable last year because he was often selected so late. So who's to say that we won't have a new flavor of the year TE? Is it silly to think that anyone will come close to matching Graham's production? Or is it even sillier to think that Graham is a good choice so early in our drafts? Many of the second and third tier TE's are enticing because they represent potential, but is that enough for them to be a starter on a champion fantasy team come December?

Personally, I agree with the statements regarding draft positioning. Unless you have a crystal ball and know that DMC will be playing at least 12 games, and can also foresee the contract that MJD will sign in the next two weeks, you go with Graham at the end of the first or beginning of the second because he's the best player available, especially in PPR. Anything earlier than the seventh selection, and you'll find yourself playing TEBC.

Graham is about as low risk as an early round selection can be. The problem is, his reward will be nothing like that of 2011 due to price.

 

[massraider]

I'm not in the part of the draft where Gronk & Graham will be available.

When doing Mocks once Davis & Gates go the next batch all go in a run (Witten, Finley, Hernandez, Tamme)

Would you be happy with Gresham or Pettigrew as your starter?

Yes

Wondering if waiting till the 8th or 9th round is a shark move this year.

This is not the year to wait on a tight end, you need to pick one by round 6 or 7.

I couldn't disagree more. After the big two, there is no obvious #3 TE. Whole lotta guys in a big tier.

 

[karmarooster]

Two cases for why it's not a bad idea to wait on a TE:1) Pettigrew - has averaged 120 targets the last two years, and now has a season past some knee injury he suffered in 2010. If he gets another 120-125 targets, and continues to catch 65% of his targets, thats 78-80 receptions, and is good for about 750-800 yards. minimal TDs, but probably 4-6. 2) As a much later pick with great upside, consider Greg Olsen who split time with Shockey last year. If you give him half of Shockey's 62 targets, thats 120 as well, and at a catch rate of about 55%, thats in the 60s for receptions. From Football Outsiders:

Olsen caught 34 passes through the first nine games of last season, with four touchdowns and a two-point conversion. Then, a serious of strange accidents and injuries befell him. He collided with a teammate during pregame warm-ups before facing the Colts, and while he played in that game, he soon began missing practice time with knee and back injuries. Olsens role in the offense gradually dwindled until he was ultimately knocked out the season finale with a head injury. Olsen is a very good blocker who can line up all over the offensive formation, but after two seasons of 40-something catches and five touchdowns per year, what you see is what you get, statistically.

I don't agree with the last part given the loss of Shockey, and Olsen's first name games of the year. Very late value.

 

[bonesman]

Would you be happy with Gresham or Pettigrew as your starter?

Yup. I'd extend it on down to Celek and Olsen too... Keller is available late too. Any 5 of those guys can break into the top 10 IMO. Cook is there too.

 

[MAC_32]

It depends on the league and starting requirements, but it's looking like my plan is

A - Hernandez, Vernon, Gates, Finley, or Witten in the 6th (maybe) or 7th (preferably) then one of Tamme, Rudolph, and Olsen in that order in the 11th

B - 2 of Tamme, Rudolph, and Olsen in the 10th and 11th

C - one of the above then an uninteresting vet (Owen, Gonz, Celek) at the end

Given what's available at TE late vs. other positions I'm willing to be patient and see if something slips. Possible I may have 2 QB's and 4 RB's + WR's before I have a TE, given what I'd have at those positions I'd be alright with that.

 

[Tanner9919]

I'm not in the part of the draft where Gronk & Graham will be available.When doing Mocks once Davis & Gates go the next batch all go in a run (Witten, Finley, Hernandez, Tamme)Would you be happy with Gresham or Pettigrew as your starter? Wondering if waiting till the 8th or 9th round is a shark move this year.

YES.absolutely.AJ Green on the outside, no running game to think of, and Sanu and some also-ran Wr's.Gresham's numbers were outstanding last season, and they'll only get better..for fun and games, if you believe in the Madden curse, than Pettigrew figures to greatly benefit from any sort of injury to CJ, or any missed games.Pettigrew is a good target in a potent offense but I'm not high on the Lions this season..I'm bearish on their record, I thin they overacheived last season; 7-9 is more likely..I think you can find production elsewhere..

 

[bonesman]

Tamme's ADP is like early round 8.

 

[rizzler]

Im drafting in the 12 spot. Im grabbing best RB available and graham.Unless Brees falls

RB looks like a wasteland at the turn to me. Matthews, DMC, MJD all gone. Now that Forte has signed, I think he's 50/50 to go in the 1.10 - 1.11 range also. You're looking at a rookie in a bad offense (TRich), a guy with a handful of good games in RBBC on a passing team (Murray), and a guy coming off of a brutal knee injury (Charles).I'm prolly going TE / QB in that spot to get guys that I'm certain will perform as studs. I love a ton of WRs in the 3rd, then Reggie Bush in the 4th and Peyton Hillis late in the 5th seem like very safe bets to finish in the 10 - 15 range at RB (assuming PPR). I'm really liking the 11/12 slots this year.

I'm 90% sure Ill see one of Forte, MJD, or DMC at the 12 pick... Which is why I said Ill go RB and Graham. top 9 likely to be, mccoy, foster, rice, mathews, cj2k, brees, brady, rodgers, calvin, ... in whatever order.This literally guarantees me mjd, dmc or forte at 12. or one of the previous "top 9" guys I mentioned earlier if they drop. 12 is a pretty spot this year.

 

[MAC_32]

Tamme's ADP is like early round 8.

It's 120 on MFL last I checked.

 

[bonesman]

Tamme's ADP is like early round 8.

It's 120 on MFL last I checked.

86.8 on FFcalc... high of 5.12, low of 12.01

 

[David Yudkin]

I would probably say probably no to both questions, but it depends on what each person wants to do.

IMO, this year either you get Graham or Gronk, hope for the best from the next tier of a handful of guys (Witten, Davis, Gates, Finley), or the rest won't really matter in 0 ppr leagues.

The issue I have with Pettigrew is that the Lions threw the ball almost 670 times. I'll take the under this year. They also have an emerging WR and the running backs probably won't be befallen with injuries this year. All that leads me to think Pettigrew goes backwards, not forwards.

CIN benefitted from having a cupcake non divisional schedule last year (AFC South and NFC West with BUF and DEN added in). Greisham might be an ok option, but I doubt he will be a fantasy standout.

IMO, neither of those two TE provides plus scoring fantasy wise at the TE spot, so rolling with those two will leave some ground to cover. So to recap, to get a huge TE scoring advantage you have to invest a lot, to get a very minimal scoring advantage you have to still buy somewhat early, or you wait. It all depends on what blows your dress up.

 

[solorca]

I'll probably be waiting in most leagues, because I think Fred Davis, Brent Celek, and Greg OLsen will all be huge values this year...and I'm expecting to get one of them pretty late (I like them in that order).

For some reason, Fred Davis is on very few people's list of top TEs, but I think he'll be great.

 

[David Yudkin]

I'll probably be waiting in most leagues, because I think Fred Davis, Brent Celek, and Greg OLsen will all be huge values this year...and I'm expecting to get one of them pretty late (I like them in that order). For some reason, Fred Davis is on very few people's list of top TEs, but I think he'll be great.

Here's my question on Davis, Celek, Olson, Daniels, and whomever else falls in the "other" bucket. Unless they do WAY better than expected, they will still offer no real fantasy advantage. Say any of those guys score 100 fantasy points. Compared to other fantasy teams, that is not plus scoring and compared to teams with top tier TEs, your fantasy team is starting in the whole . . . even if the guy you "found" in the mid to late rounds is doing better than expected.Maybe that fantasy team might have a scoring advantage elsewhere ot maybe a little more depth, but unless that third or fourth tier of TEs make HUGE steps forward they most likely won't make a fantasy impact in standard scoing, start 1 TE, 0 ppr leagues.

 

[treat88]

The issue I have with Pettigrew is that the Lions threw the ball almost 670 times. I'll take the under this year. They also have an emerging WR and the running backs probably won't be befallen with injuries this year. All that leads me to think Pettigrew goes backwards, not forwards.

Agree.Not only is Young an emerging receiver, but I think Broyles is a very talented option and will become direct competition for catches in the same area of the field as Pettigrew.Would take Gresham over Pettigrew, personally.

 

[RalphMouth]

I'll probably be waiting in most leagues, because I think Fred Davis, Brent Celek, and Greg OLsen will all be huge values this year...and I'm expecting to get one of them pretty late (I like them in that order). For some reason, Fred Davis is on very few people's list of top TEs, but I think he'll be great.

Here's my question on Davis, Celek, Olson, Daniels, and whomever else falls in the "other" bucket. Unless they do WAY better than expected, they will still offer no real fantasy advantage. Say any of those guys score 100 fantasy points. Compared to other fantasy teams, that is not plus scoring and compared to teams with top tier TEs, your fantasy team is starting in the whole . . . even if the guy you "found" in the mid to late rounds is doing better than expected.Maybe that fantasy team might have a scoring advantage elsewhere ot maybe a little more depth, but unless that third or fourth tier of TEs make HUGE steps forward they most likely won't make a fantasy impact in standard scoing, start 1 TE, 0 ppr leagues.

so are you in the camp that's willing to spend a higher draft spot to get a top 3-7 TE assuming you can't get Gronk or Graham ?

 

[steelcityman]

would take Pettigrew in a heartbeat. Gresham I would pass on, if you get that far down and dont have a TE, why take one then, just keeping waiting and take Heath Miller or Zach Miller, heck, take Dallas Clark.

as far as Detriot, they won last year throwing that much, why in the world would they go against success? Broyles? He is 4th wr on that team. Their rbs are collectively average, and no one has seen LeShore play one game yet. Best can be done for life any play, and the others are fossils.

Stafford - Calvin - Young - Burelson - Pettigrew = very difficult to stop or even slow down.

Question is, will they all remain healthy, if so, they might throw 700 times this year.

Had one dynasty draft, got Stafford and then Graham. TE are 1.5 ppr so I wanted one of the best(Gronk was already gone). Got McFadden 3rd pick.

 

[FF Ninja]

You will find your answer here.

 

[johnadams]

If the situation is right, I'm willing to burn a pick on Graham or Gronk very early in any scoring format.

The top two are so far and away above the rest of the field that if I don't get them, I'm not going to reach for a TE just to get one. I think they'll artificially inflate the values of the second tier guys to the extent that I'm willing to sit on someone like Celek or Gonzalez while rounding out upside bench players that I could just as easily use in a trade to get one of the overdrafted TEs. If I even hit a moderately good RB in rounds 6-9, I'm confident that I'd be able to trade for a TE (after the big two) drafted 3 to 6 rounds higher. In PPR, I'm a bit more likely to draft a guy in the early rounds, but still unlikely if it isn't Graham or Gronk.