Is this trade equitable? (1 Viewer)

[Paddy O'Seanessy]

As always with threads like this, I am not even going to read it and deem it collusion free. If it was collusion you would already know it.

I took the time to read through to see who would agree.Thank you, gentlemen, you've restored my faith in humanity.

 

[weasel3515]

You are a commish in 2 leagues and questioned this trade? Sorry, you got no business being a commish if you protested to this trade. Looking at the 2 teams, its not even close to being a bad trade.

FYI, I've been a successful commish for two leagues for a combined dozen years with many saying that they are the best leagues they are in (and most are in multiple leagues) so I'm not worried about your personal comment. I looked at the averages and rankings of each player and a 5th ranked QB is worth lots more (especially considering most leagues only allow ONE starting QB) compared to a 20th-ranked WR on a good day. Now if you want to make the argument that it is based on need that is fair enough and a valid point as indicated earlier.

A couple points:First you're looking at the players' values retrospectively. Umm, past performance does not guarantee future results. Maybe one guy thinks Berrian is a stud waiting to happen now that Gross Rexman is out. Maybe he thinks their schedule gets much easier. Maybe one guy thinks Eli's recent success is a mirage, or that Plax will eventually be too hurt to play, and wants to sell now at any cost. Looking just at averages and rankings is extremely short sighted.

Second, the fact that you only need to start one QB devalues them relative to other positions, not increases their value. Eli scores more points than Berrian, but so do a lot of the QBs that aren't even in people's lineups each week. Basic "VBD" type analysis puts these guys fairly close in value. In fact the site here lists them with fairly similar value in the "top 250". Maybe you've got some funky scoring system that gives Eli a lot more value than in most leagues, but if it's fairly standard, this trade is pretty good even without the 'need' arguments. Eli is 10th in our PPG statistics,

Third, add in the need aspect and this looks like a really good deal for both teams. This is the perfect example of how a trade should work.

On top of that, you've just got no reason to consider reviewing it in the first place as there is nothing at all fishy about the deal. There is no reason to suspect wrongdoing. Leave it alone. Let people run their own teams.

With the scoring in that league Manning ranks 9th of all players and Berrian is 85th which may help to explain why it threw up a red flag for me.

 

[weasel3515]

People just don't know what collusion is and insert it for "unfair"

If someone trades their entire team for a 3rd string punter, it is not collusion unless it is a attempt to defraud others out of money.

Seriously someone traded Rodney Culver to a unsuspecting owner in one of my leagues, after he was dead. The recieving coach literally got nothing in trade. Even a trade this unfair is not collusion as they did not have a agreement to defraud others out of money.

In this example, the original poster came in and said A guy traded Manning for Berrian are they defrauding my league?

What a foolish question.

If you know they have a agreement to defraud the league you don't have to ask, if you don't know it isn't collusion.

You are wrong on several accounts here. First, I did not say they were "defrauding" a league. Second, I did not say it was "my" league. The original question posited was "do you think this trade is equitable?". Until you can get the facts straight you really shouldn't offer an opinion.

Two teams are attempting a trade in a league I am in (not commissioner for). Each owner has the right to object to any trades. The trade proposed includes:

Eli Manning for Bernard Berrian

Eli is the 5th ranked QB scoring nearly twice as much as the 20th ranked WR Berrian. What do you all think?

So it's not your league? You're just in it, right. Oh hey helpful tip when you post something stupid and get called on it make sure to edit your posts too not just the Topic name.

Umm...I never edited my original post or topic. It states clearly in BOTH that it is a league I AM IN. It never said I am the commissioner of the league in question. Oh hey, helpful tip when YOU are posting, make sure you actually read everything that is written clearly before you start typing.

 

[coolnerd]

To answer some questions...The team giving up Eli has Brady (and Vinny) so he may see Eli as expendable. He also already has Holt, Calvin Johnson and Javon Walker for WRs so perhaps Berrian is a need because of injuries. 3-3 record overall.The team giving up Berrian has Garcia as QB (as well as Matt Schaub) and has Randy Moss, Colston, Arnaz Battle and Jennings as WR. 4-2 record overall.Hope that clears it up.

Note: that Garcia and schaub have the same bye week.

 

[Ignoramus]

With the scoring in that league Manning ranks 9th of all players and Berrian is 85th which may help to explain why it threw up a red flag for me.

It does not matter if Manning scores a billion points a week and Berrian scores ten unless they are playing the same FF position.

 

[Keith Lewis]

This thread = :11: :11: :11:

Horrible, just Horrible.

 

[EBF]

Looks fine to me.

 

[fsufan]

why are all other threads like this moved to the AC but not this one

 

[PumpusX]

Two teams are attempting a trade in a league I am in (not commissioner for). Each owner has the right to object to any trades. The trade proposed includes:Eli Manning for Bernard BerrianEli is the 5th ranked QB scoring nearly twice as much as the 20th ranked WR Berrian. What do you all think?

Yawn. About as unfair as the Arizona Cardinals DEF for the Kansas City Chiefs DEF.

 

[Phurfur]

What's your problem?