is this unethical (1 Viewer)

[fsufan]

I play my brother this week. I am 4-3-1 and he is 7-1. He has already made the playoffs and won his division. I am fighting for a playoff spot and for the division. I noticed he has no QB to play this week(McNabb and Leinart on byes and Bledsoe on the bench). I went to the WW to see who was available, not much since this is a dynasty league. There are only 2 starting QBs on the WW, Walter and Wallace. I decided to put in a request for them both(will process tonight). I requested Wallace first and will block him from getting at least one of them, I am 7th and he is 10th on the WW. I have a feeling he has not noticed he does not have a QB this week and might not put in a request for neither which means he would have no QB this week unless he trades for one.

Is it unethical to pick up a player of the WW to stop your opponent from getting him?

Or is it part of FF?

 

[boubucarow]

Part of the game.

 

[pats3in4]

I play my brother this week. I am 4-3-1 and he is 7-1. He has already made the playoffs and won his division. I am fighting for a playoff spot and for the division. I noticed he has no QB to play this week(McNabb and Leinart on byes and Bledsoe on the bench). I went to the WW to see who was available, not much since this is a dynasty league. There are only 2 starting QBs on the WW, Walter and Wallace. I decided to put in a request for them both(will process tonight). I requested Wallace first and will block him from getting at least one of them, I am 7th and he is 10th on the WW. I have a feeling he has not noticed he does not have a QB this week and might not put in a request for neither which means he would have no QB this week unless he trades for one. Is it unethical to pick up a player of the WW to stop your opponent from getting him?Or is it part of FF?

It's part of the game. Seriously, who doesn't pay attention to their bye-week situations, especially at QB? This is not the week for your brother to address this.

 

[Cantonese32]

I play my brother this week. I am 4-3-1 and he is 7-1. He has already made the playoffs and won his division. I am fighting for a playoff spot and for the division. I noticed he has no QB to play this week(McNabb and Leinart on byes and Bledsoe on the bench). I went to the WW to see who was available, not much since this is a dynasty league. There are only 2 starting QBs on the WW, Walter and Wallace. I decided to put in a request for them both(will process tonight). I requested Wallace first and will block him from getting at least one of them, I am 7th and he is 10th on the WW. I have a feeling he has not noticed he does not have a QB this week and might not put in a request for neither which means he would have no QB this week unless he trades for one. Is it unethical to pick up a player of the WW to stop your opponent from getting him?Or is it part of FF?

As long as it's within the rules...do it! Playing smart doesn't mean playing nice.

 

[LGOA]

I play my brother this week. I am 4-3-1 and he is 7-1. He has already made the playoffs and won his division. I am fighting for a playoff spot and for the division. I noticed he has no QB to play this week(McNabb and Leinart on byes and Bledsoe on the bench). I went to the WW to see who was available, not much since this is a dynasty league. There are only 2 starting QBs on the WW, Walter and Wallace. I decided to put in a request for them both(will process tonight). I requested Wallace first and will block him from getting at least one of them, I am 7th and he is 10th on the WW. I have a feeling he has not noticed he does not have a QB this week and might not put in a request for neither which means he would have no QB this week unless he trades for one. Is it unethical to pick up a player of the WW to stop your opponent from getting him?Or is it part of FF?

As long as it's within the rules...do it! Playing smart doesn't mean playing nice.

Plus, I find it even better that it is your brother. After it goes through, you should send him a message something like this, "Remember that time when you (fill in the blank with something "brotherly" he might have done to you in the distant past)? Well, payback's a b**ch! Have fun starting Bledsoe this week!"

 

[Texican]

It is part of the game, however I wouldn't be surprised if others in the league think your brother is laying down for you.

 

[shadyridr]

If you pick them up and keep them on your team its part of the game. If you pick them up and drop them thus not making them available til next week its unethical.

 

[fsufan]

It is part of the game, however I wouldn't be surprised if others in the league think your brother is laying down for you.

i could see the guys in my division thinking this.

 

[Sea Bass]

An unethical part of the game. Consider a rule change.

 

[fsufan]

If you pick them up and keep them on your team its part of the game. If you pick them up and drop them thus not making them available til next week its unethical.

Walter would be the one I would keep since this is a dynasty league. Wallace will be back on the bench at some point

 

[PatsWillWin]

Part of the game. I'd think it was stupid to NOT do something like this - your brother is the one at fault for leaving himself exposed like that.

 

[fsufan]

An unethical part of the game. Consider a rule change.

I am the commishbut how do you make a rule for this. It is a dynasty league. I can say I am picking up Walter for the future and Wallace to try to trade to the Hass owner.

 

[PatsWillWin]

An unethical part of the game. Consider a rule change.

What rule? Don't pick up lots of QBs?

 

[Bri]

part of the game

he's probably taking an L or got a trade in the works OR since it's your brother he probably wants to beat ya without one so he can remind you of it over and over

 

[fsufan]

OR since it's your brother he probably wants to beat ya without one so he can remind you of it over and over

this would be my luck. He will not have a QB and will win

 

[MSULions]

An unethical part of the game. Consider a rule change.

What rule? Don't pick up lots of QBs?

 

[The Gator]

An unethical part of the game. Consider a rule change.

What rule? Don't pick up lots of QBs?

 

[Bri]

OR since it's your brother he probably wants to beat ya without one so he can remind you of it over and over

this would be my luck. He will not have a QB and will win

it's a good planif he loses his reason is no QB but if he wins....

 

[Spartans Rule]

Part of the game.

If there were 8 available QBs, and you were going to pick up and drop them all, that would be different. This is a good move on your part.

 

[Sea Bass]

An unethical part of the game. Consider a rule change.

I am the commishbut how do you make a rule for this. It is a dynasty league. I can say I am picking up Walter for the future and Wallace to try to trade to the Hass owner.

If you intern drop them before the games start this weekend.....and he doesn't have a right to sign either player once you cut them then your intent is unethical. If you can live with that fine, but I wouldn't do this to my brother or any of my other friends in our league. A possible rule change would to say that if you pick someone up you must retain them for at least one game. If your brother is 7-1 and not looking to cover a bye week issue he either loves you very much or the league isn't competitive.

 

[coolnerd]

Part of the game. I'd think it was stupid to NOT do something like this - your brother is the one at fault for leaving himself exposed like that.

while this is a part of the game, I would not go that far. I would not be dropping good long term projects and decent handcuffs for one week in a dynasty league for some other owner to pick them up. Just to note, there seems to be a chance the Aaron Brooks MAY play this week. Nothing would look dumber than picking up a QB merely to block someone and then not even have that QB start.

 

[Spartans Rule]

I play my brother this week. I am 4-3-1 and he is 7-1. He has already made the playoffs and won his division. I am fighting for a playoff spot and for the division. I noticed he has no QB to play this week(McNabb and Leinart on byes and Bledsoe on the bench). I went to the WW to see who was available, not much since this is a dynasty league. There are only 2 starting QBs on the WW, Walter and Wallace. I decided to put in a request for them both(will process tonight). I requested Wallace first and will block him from getting at least one of them, I am 7th and he is 10th on the WW. I have a feeling he has not noticed he does not have a QB this week and might not put in a request for neither which means he would have no QB this week unless he trades for one. Is it unethical to pick up a player of the WW to stop your opponent from getting him?Or is it part of FF?

It's part of the game. Seriously, who doesn't pay attention to their bye-week situations, especially at QB? This is not the week for your brother to address this.

There's not enough QBs to go around in a start 2QB league for everyone to just have bye weeks covered easily. And it's a dynasty league, so you're not always looking at bye weeks at the draft - I'd hardly pass up a Leinart because he the same bye week as your QB1 in year 1 of owning him.

 

[Monarch]

If you pick them up and keep them on your team its part of the game. If you pick them up and drop them thus not making them available til next week its unethical.

In most leagues you need to drop someone to pick someone else up. So it is fair because you are exposing two players to everyone else.

 

[iix]

another reason why we have transaction fees. $1.50 per add for anyone and everyone. stops this kinds of ####... but if you're desperate, and/or you have deep pockets... have at it. all just goes back into the final pot. transaction fees are great.

 

[Pipes]

If you pick them up and keep them on your team its part of the game. If you pick them up and drop them thus not making them available til next week its unethical.

 

[Bizkiteer]

As most things in life...you snooze, you lose. Part of the game and if he'd had managed his team better, he'd have realized that he needed to do something before this week a looooooooong time ago.

 

[Billy Bats]

Is it unethical to pick up a player of the WW to stop your opponent from getting him?

No, it's part of the game. It happens in baseball. You're trying to make the playoffs, you do what you must to win. (within the rules) There's no rule against it, and there shouldn't be. Alot of people hate the smart player, because they didn't think of it, or even worse they wouldn't have the balls to do it.Now if your brother knowingly forgets to sign one, to help you, that would be unethical.

 

[Marc Levin]

Is it unethical to pick up a player of the WW to stop your opponent from getting him?Or is it part of FF?

You are too experienced an FF player and you have been on these boards way too long to genuinely ask this question.That you prefaced it with "I'm playing my brother" tells me you feel that you should cut your blood come slack.That's your choice - but blocking his ability to get a QB is definitely part of the game - especially since there is no way for you to block him if he's putting in a claim for one of those two QBs.Reading between the lines, your brother confided some FF info to you - probably taunting you with his QBs- that led you to believe he won't put in a claim for a QB. If so, you have two choices:1) do nothing and count on your info - he won't make a claim and he'll be just as screwed if you pick up both as FAs as soon as they are made FAs (or you have only WW moves, and he's screwed by having missed hs WW move for the week - I am in one league that operates with no FA pool)2) you use your inside info and try to block him - if the worst happens, you get Wallace on your roster and he has to start Walters against you this week.In short, your response to your bro =

 

[Marc Levin]

It happens in baseball.

This is the only comment where you lost me.I understood the rest of your post.

 

[jesseasi]

totally ethical - part of the game.

In baseball teams put players on waivers toward the end of the season in the attempt to trade players after the trade deadline. Every year the Yankees will put claims on players they think the Redsox are interested in. I believe in baseball once you claim a player on waivers - you have 24 hours to work out compensation or trade. The Yankees put the claim on them then never finish the transaction. Thus blocking the Red Sox.

I am sure teams do it all the time, not just the Yankees

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

It is part of the game, however I wouldn't be surprised if others in the league think your brother is laying down for you.

i could see the guys in my division thinking this.

Then those people are pretty silly. In every instance where siblings have played each other in leagues I've participated in...they've been MORE eager to beat each other; not less. It always seemed likt eht one team they DID NOT want to lose to was their brother's team. It's been the same way in several leagues.

 

[fsufan]

well I got both QBs. That means he did not noticed he need a QB for this week. He should manage his team better.

 

[Marc Levin]

well I got both QBs. That means he did not noticed he need a QB for this week. He should manage his team better.

was any of my post accurate about why you were questioning the move?

 

[SteveUK]

As most things in life...you snooze, you lose. Part of the game and if he'd had managed his team better, he'd have realized that he needed to do something before this week a looooooooong time ago.

2 weeks ago, he probably thought he would get by with Bledsoe for one week.

 

[hove]

It is part of the game, however I wouldn't be surprised if others in the league think your brother is laying down for you.

This will totally happen.

 

[fsufan]

As most things in life...you snooze, you lose. Part of the game and if he'd had managed his team better, he'd have realized that he needed to do something before this week a looooooooong time ago.

2 weeks ago, he probably thought he would get by with Bledsoe for one week.

i agreeand he probably did not notice McNabb and Leinart had their bye the same week

 

[Mungo Burrows]

As most things in life...you snooze, you lose. Part of the game and if he'd had managed his team better, he'd have realized that he needed to do something before this week a looooooooong time ago.

2 weeks ago, he probably thought he would get by with Bledsoe for one week.

i agreeand he probably did not notice McNabb and Leinart had their bye the same week

I would guess that it's more along the lines of he doesn't want to drop anyone for a one week filler knowing that he's basically locked up for the playoffs already. And the thought of potentially beating you without a QB is just gravy on top. He wins: You are the butt of family jokes for years to come.He loses: He shrugs it off and says, "I felt sorry for you so I cut you a break. See you when it counts in the playoffs...if you even make it"

 

[Bizkiteer]

As most things in life...you snooze, you lose. Part of the game and if he'd had managed his team better, he'd have realized that he needed to do something before this week a looooooooong time ago.

2 weeks ago, he probably thought he would get by with Bledsoe for one week.

Bledsoe's job security has been questioned since pre-season, so he should have known it wasn't a sure thing. As for not noticing the same bye week of McNabb & Leinart...he's not a good owner then. This is dynasty league, right? Thus, he has a lot longer to tinker about these types of things thatn a re-draft league owner. I'm sure he wonders why other keep winning and he doesn't...if he isn't in tune with knowing his players and their bye weeks. Sloppy management... Fair is fair and I'll say it again..."you snooze, you lose." Here's another..."early bird gets the worm," which is more inline or better suited for dynasty.

 

[j3r3m3y]

If you pick them up and keep them on your team its part of the game. If you pick them up and drop them thus not making them available til next week its unethical.

Incorrect in my opinion. If the rules allow him to use his roster space to his advantage for a week it is not unethical.Play to win, within the rules.

 

[Billy Bats]

It happens in baseball.

This is the only comment where you lost me.I understood the rest of your post.

In baseball teams put players on waivers toward the end of the season in the attempt to trade players after the trade deadline. Every year the Yankees will put claims on players they think the Redsox are interested in. I believe in baseball once you claim a player on waivers - you have 24 hours to work out compensation or trade. The Yankees put the claim on them then never finish the transaction. Thus blocking the Red Sox.

I am sure teams do it all the time, not just the Yankees

^^^Marc, what he said.^^^ Not exactly the same situation, but sort of.

 

[Mr. Chumley]

solid strategy.

 

[smackdaddies]

If you pick him up and carry him on your roster for at least the weekend- ethical

If you pick him up and cut him (and then your system keeps him off the waiver wire for two days)- not ethical

First option is fair game - you have as much right to draft and keep players on your roster as anyone else - you need no excuse to do so. Bell got picked up on the waiver wire in front of me - the guy who did it will never start him. But it stops everyone else from doing so. Sucks to be them (and me)

Second option is the middle school jerk option. That owner gets booted from the league

 

[Jon_Moore]

Lol to start off, let's quote Herm Edwards. "You play to win the game."

secondly, I play on yahoo, the league rules are very clear, sorta, maybe

All league-related transactions will be executed with the intent of improving the owner's team and/or its standing within the league.

Now, if these moves improve your standing in the league...you're within the rules.

No owner will make any roster moves (including waiver claims, trade proposals, etc.) whose sole purpose is to hamper the play of other owners.

Keyword is sole. If you make said move to get a W and keep up in the p layoff race, power to you.

 

[seabags]

There seems to be a lot of varying positions on this which I find interesting. It's not your FAULT the other owner happens to not have a QB this week. Blame Dallas. If Drew Bledsoe was winning games this post would not exist.

Strategy is strategy.

Don't lose any sleep.

Besides, he may still kick your ### w/o a QB.

ANY GIVEN SUNDAY.

 

[Billy Bats]

I'm doing it to a lesser extent myself this week. Picking up the best available defense that I really don't need simply because the team I'm chasing in my division needs a D to cover his bye, and they select behind me on the WW. There are still D's available for him, but it won't be the one he really wants.

 

[icehouse]

What about dropping someone ALREADY ON your roster right before the game starts so no one else can get him until next week?

 

[fsufan]

he finally went in to set his line up and add/drop. he picked up Tuiasosopo

FF is fun with Friends and family

 

[TheLaw]

this is why we limit the total number of add/drops in my leagues.

 

[freshly_shorn]

I play my brother this week. I am 4-3-1 and he is 7-1. He has already made the playoffs and won his division. I am fighting for a playoff spot and for the division. I noticed he has no QB to play this week(McNabb and Leinart on byes and Bledsoe on the bench). I went to the WW to see who was available, not much since this is a dynasty league. There are only 2 starting QBs on the WW, Walter and Wallace. I decided to put in a request for them both(will process tonight). I requested Wallace first and will block him from getting at least one of them, I am 7th and he is 10th on the WW. I have a feeling he has not noticed he does not have a QB this week and might not put in a request for neither which means he would have no QB this week unless he trades for one. Is it unethical to pick up a player of the WW to stop your opponent from getting him?Or is it part of FF?

That's strategy! Kind of like drafting other people's handcuffs!