Is this University racist against white people? (1 Viewer)

[johnjohn]

johnjohn, do you agree or disagree that it is human nature for someone to feel more comfortable / secure around members of their own race?

I am comfortable with everyone human. I don't get less comfortable around any human that is simply a different color than me.

Lets drop you off on west belmont ave in North Chicago and see how long you feel that way (assuming you`re white which i do)

I am not aware of those areas, are they considered dangerous ? If those areas are considered dangerous are you implying its dangerous because they have a different skin color than white ? That would be absurd and racist.

Have you been living in a secluded area your whole life? Either you are the epitome of naive or this has been one giant fishing trip....ever hear the word Gangs?

Are you saying white people aren't members of gangs ? regardless of what color the person is in the gang id be uncomfortable around him or her but it wouldnt be because of their color like you are suggesting

im not talking about how you would react to them,but how they would react to you....then lets see how comfortable you will feel around those humans

"I am comfortable with everyone human. I don't get less comfortable around any human that is simply a different color than me."

is what I said. Obviously that doesn't include people looking to harm me, but what it does mean is, anyone not looking to harm me I would be comfortable around regardless of their color. Just on the basis of color alone isn't enough to make me uncomfortable, because I look at everyone as a human, and my comfort level isn't based on skin color.

 

[drummer]

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=705051&p=16645879

 

[Tchula]

Sounds like they're asking the same question the NFL is.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Hi john,

I don't know you really believe this or if this is just a joke for you. If you really believe it, here's how it seems to me.

You seem to be focused on Affirmative Action and defining racism.

From Dictionary.com

Racism

noun

1.a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural orindividual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the rightto rule others.
2.a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

I'm guessing that what you're thinking is a policy for a school that takes non white students over white students with better scores or qualifications is racism based on the 2nd definition above. In other words, you're saying that the school is discriminating against the white students.

That runs against the "own race is superior" angle. But even if you want to overlook that, let's assume that's what you're saying.

For Affirmative Action from Merriam-Webster

an active effort to improve the employment or educational opportunities of members of minority groups and women;also : a similar effort to promote the rights or progress of other disadvantaged persons

This takes us to much discussed question of "Is Affirmative Action Racist?

A quick google search will give you lots of material to read. This one from debate.org was pretty interesting.

What's my take? I don't really know and honestly don't care about the debate of defining the word. I guess if you come down to the literal definition, you could make the case that a policy defined by race is by definition racist but I'm more interested in the bigger picture.

And in that picture, I'm ok with institutions like Universities using quotas to encourage more diversity.

Personal note - I have no idea what race or gender you are. If you're a white male, I've got two words for you. Ease up. We are the most privileged group around. And the constant complaining is unbecoming. Trust me. Be thankful you were dealt the skin pigment and Y chromosome you were and move along. Because every woman and non white person (plus most white males) see the whining and It's like Nick Saban crying that he only got 19 of the 20 All Americans he wanted in recruiting with one guy instead choosing Vandy. Count your advantages and move on. You'll be lot happier.

J

 

[Spartans Rule]

Personal note - I have no idea what race or gender you are. If you're a white male, I've got two words for you. Ease up. We are the most privileged group around. And the constant complaining is unbecoming. Trust me. Be thankful you were dealt the skin pigment and Y chromosome you were and move along. Because every woman and non white person (plus most white males) see the whining and It's like Nick Saban crying that he only got 19 of the 20 All Americans he wanted in recruiting with one guy instead choosing Vandy. Count your advantages and move on. You'll be lot happier.

 

[bigbottom]

And who says this dude's statements are accepted? They are newsworthy because they are controversial. If they were widely and readily accepted, you wouldn't have heard about them.

Did you or the majority hear about it ? The answer is no, and the only reason you heard about it is because of me. The reason why is because most people don't care and its accepted to be racist against white people.If a school said we need less black people here I promise you that you and the majority would have heard about it.

The story broke today and there are a bunch of articles on it. I suspect it will get even more coverage in the coming days as the story gains exposure.

I hope you are right, and if you are I will gladly admit I am wrong, but I will be VERY surprised if that is the case.

CBS News

Washington Times

Fox Affiliate

Another Fox Affiliate

Bump.These were just a few of the many links that popped up today.

still not getting the kind of exposure it deserves, wish I had to admit I was wrong but that isnt the case yet.

I said it would get more exposure in the coming days. It went from primarily right wing websites to mainstream newspapers and a nationally televised major network news broadcast (and there are numerous other links if I had the inclination to do more work). It got more coverage in the days following the original story. I was categorically and definitively right. You said you hoped I was right and would gladly admit you were wrong if that were the case. You were apparently lying. Whether it got the exposure you thought it deserved was not an element of my assertion that it would get increased coverage.

 

[johnjohn]

Hi john,

I don't know you really believe this or if this is just a joke for you. If you really believe it, here's how it seems to me.

You seem to be focused on Affirmative Action and defining racism.

From Dictionary.com

Racism

noun

1.a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural orindividual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the rightto rule others.
2.a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

I'm guessing that what you're thinking is a policy for a school that takes non white students over white students with better scores or qualifications is racism based on the 2nd definition above. In other words, you're saying that the school is discriminating against the white students.

That runs against the "own race is superior" angle. But even if you want to overlook that, let's assume that's what you're saying.

For Affirmative Action from Merriam-Webster

an active effort to improve the employment or educational opportunities of members of minority groups and women;also : a similar effort to promote the rights or progress of other disadvantaged persons

This takes us to much discussed question of "Is Affirmative Action Racist?

A quick google search will give you lots of material to read. This one from debate.org was pretty interesting.

What's my take? I don't really know and honestly don't care about the debate of defining the word. I guess if you come down to the literal definition, you could make the case that a policy defined by race is by definition racist but I'm more interested in the bigger picture.

And in that picture, I'm ok with institutions like Universities using quotas to encourage more diversity.

Personal note - I have no idea what race or gender you are. If you're a white male, I've got two words for you. Ease up. We are the most privileged group around. And the constant complaining is unbecoming. Trust me. Be thankful you were dealt the skin pigment and Y chromosome you were and move along. Because every woman and non white person (plus most white males) see the whining and It's like Nick Saban crying that he only got 19 of the 20 All Americans he wanted in recruiting with one guy instead choosing Vandy. Count your advantages and move on. You'll be lot happier.

J

Joe I appreciate your thoughtful post on what is a sensitive topic

To address some parts of your post, yes I do consider it racism based on line number 2 is correct.

And ill post part of a post I made earlier (you probably didn't see it, don't blame you for that, this is a big thread)

School A is accepting a person based on certain criteria that should have nothing to do with skin color and ten percent of white people meet that criteria while 10 percent of black people meet that criteria and lets say there are 1000 white people applying to that school and 100 black people applying to that school(more white people applying to the school because there are just more white people in the country then there are black people so its just common sense) that means that school would have 100 white people and 10 black people, and that is very fair.

Now if you make skin color a requirement and want it 55 white people and 55 black people that would mean 45 white people got discriminated against because of their skin color. How is that fair ? How is it moral to look at a person by their skin, and not by their heart and soul?

As for the constant complaining part, I am just trying to respond accordingly with logic to each post someone has, maybe it is getting a little too much though, but if someone puts in time to comment on this thread I feel it is only respectful to comment back.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Hi john,

I don't know you really believe this or if this is just a joke for you. If you really believe it, here's how it seems to me.

You seem to be focused on Affirmative Action and defining racism.

From Dictionary.com

Racism

noun

1.a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural orindividual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the rightto rule others.
2.a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

I'm guessing that what you're thinking is a policy for a school that takes non white students over white students with better scores or qualifications is racism based on the 2nd definition above. In other words, you're saying that the school is discriminating against the white students.

That runs against the "own race is superior" angle. But even if you want to overlook that, let's assume that's what you're saying.

For Affirmative Action from Merriam-Webster

an active effort to improve the employment or educational opportunities of members of minority groups and women;also : a similar effort to promote the rights or progress of other disadvantaged persons

This takes us to much discussed question of "Is Affirmative Action Racist?

A quick google search will give you lots of material to read. This one from debate.org was pretty interesting.

What's my take? I don't really know and honestly don't care about the debate of defining the word. I guess if you come down to the literal definition, you could make the case that a policy defined by race is by definition racist but I'm more interested in the bigger picture.

And in that picture, I'm ok with institutions like Universities using quotas to encourage more diversity.

Personal note - I have no idea what race or gender you are. If you're a white male, I've got two words for you. Ease up. We are the most privileged group around. And the constant complaining is unbecoming. Trust me. Be thankful you were dealt the skin pigment and Y chromosome you were and move along. Because every woman and non white person (plus most white males) see the whining and It's like Nick Saban crying that he only got 19 of the 20 All Americans he wanted in recruiting with one guy instead choosing Vandy. Count your advantages and move on. You'll be lot happier.

J

Joe I appreciate your thoughtful post on what is a sensitive topic

To address some parts of your post, yes I do consider it racism based on line number 2 is correct.

And ill post part of a post I made earlier (you probably didn't see it, don't blame you for that, this is a big thread)

School A is accepting a person based on certain criteria that should have nothing to do with skin color and ten percent of white people meet that criteria while 10 percent of black people meet that criteria and lets say there are 1000 white people applying to that school and 100 black people applying to that school(more white people applying to the school because there are just more white people in the country then there are black people so its just common sense) that means that school would have 100 white people and 10 black people, and that is very fair.

Now if you make skin color a requirement and want it 55 white people and 55 black people that would mean 45 white people got discriminated against because of their skin color. How is that fair ? How is it moral to look at a person by their skin, and not by their heart and soul?

As for the constant complaining part, I am just trying to respond accordingly with logic to each post someone has, maybe it is getting a little too much though, but if someone puts in time to comment on this thread I feel it is only respectful to comment back.

Good luck Joe

 

[Joe Bryant]

Good luck Joe

Thanks BK.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Hi john,

I don't know you really believe this or if this is just a joke for you. If you really believe it, here's how it seems to me.

You seem to be focused on Affirmative Action and defining racism.

From Dictionary.com

Racism

noun

1.a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural orindividual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the rightto rule others.
2.a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

I'm guessing that what you're thinking is a policy for a school that takes non white students over white students with better scores or qualifications is racism based on the 2nd definition above. In other words, you're saying that the school is discriminating against the white students.

That runs against the "own race is superior" angle. But even if you want to overlook that, let's assume that's what you're saying.

For Affirmative Action from Merriam-Webster

an active effort to improve the employment or educational opportunities of members of minority groups and women;also : a similar effort to promote the rights or progress of other disadvantaged persons

This takes us to much discussed question of "Is Affirmative Action Racist?

A quick google search will give you lots of material to read. This one from debate.org was pretty interesting.

What's my take? I don't really know and honestly don't care about the debate of defining the word. I guess if you come down to the literal definition, you could make the case that a policy defined by race is by definition racist but I'm more interested in the bigger picture.

And in that picture, I'm ok with institutions like Universities using quotas to encourage more diversity.

Personal note - I have no idea what race or gender you are. If you're a white male, I've got two words for you. Ease up. We are the most privileged group around. And the constant complaining is unbecoming. Trust me. Be thankful you were dealt the skin pigment and Y chromosome you were and move along. Because every woman and non white person (plus most white males) see the whining and It's like Nick Saban crying that he only got 19 of the 20 All Americans he wanted in recruiting with one guy instead choosing Vandy. Count your advantages and move on. You'll be lot happier.

J

Joe I appreciate your thoughtful post on what is a sensitive topic

To address some parts of your post, yes I do consider it racism based on line number 2 is correct.

And ill post part of a post I made earlier (you probably didn't see it, don't blame you for that, this is a big thread)

School A is accepting a person based on certain criteria that should have nothing to do with skin color and ten percent of white people meet that criteria while 10 percent of black people meet that criteria and lets say there are 1000 white people applying to that school and 100 black people applying to that school(more white people applying to the school because there are just more white people in the country then there are black people so its just common sense) that means that school would have 100 white people and 10 black people, and that is very fair.

Now if you make skin color a requirement and want it 55 white people and 55 black people that would mean 45 white people got discriminated against because of their skin color. How is that fair ? How is it moral to look at a person by their skin, and not by their heart and soul?

As for the constant complaining part, I am just trying to respond accordingly with logic to each post someone has, maybe it is getting a little too much though, but if someone puts in time to comment on this thread I feel it is only respectful to comment back.

I won't go back and forth with you on this but real quick.

Life isn't fair. Sometimes it's not remotely fair. The sooner you accept that, the further you'll be able to go.

So you pick your battles. Because everyone has a finite amount of energy to battle with. If you're a white male and Affirmative Action is unfair in your opinion, I think you practically have two choices.

#1. Spend a ton of energy fighting it. Focus on it. Obsess over it. Look for every instance you can find of it and whenever you see it, yell and scream about it.

#2. Realize that as a white male you're already incredibly privileged, count the giant pile of chips on the poker table of life that society has already spotted you, take your tiny little hit of what feels unfair to you, and move on. And use that energy toward doing a zillion possible positive things. Many of which you'll already have a head start on being a white male.

Plus you avoid the from everyone else. And they probably have a point. I'm not trying to be a jerk here. You may be fishing for all I know. But if you're serious about what you're saying, trust me. Take your advantage and move on to bigger things. You'll be a lot happier I bet.

J

 

[Dexter]

Hi john,

I don't know you really believe this or if this is just a joke for you. If you really believe it, here's how it seems to me.

You seem to be focused on Affirmative Action and defining racism.

From Dictionary.com

Racism

noun

1.a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural orindividual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the rightto rule others.
2.a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

I'm guessing that what you're thinking is a policy for a school that takes non white students over white students with better scores or qualifications is racism based on the 2nd definition above. In other words, you're saying that the school is discriminating against the white students.

That runs against the "own race is superior" angle. But even if you want to overlook that, let's assume that's what you're saying.

For Affirmative Action from Merriam-Webster

an active effort to improve the employment or educational opportunities of members of minority groups and women;also : a similar effort to promote the rights or progress of other disadvantaged persons

This takes us to much discussed question of "Is Affirmative Action Racist?

A quick google search will give you lots of material to read. This one from debate.org was pretty interesting.

What's my take? I don't really know and honestly don't care about the debate of defining the word. I guess if you come down to the literal definition, you could make the case that a policy defined by race is by definition racist but I'm more interested in the bigger picture.

And in that picture, I'm ok with institutions like Universities using quotas to encourage more diversity.

Personal note - I have no idea what race or gender you are. If you're a white male, I've got two words for you. Ease up. We are the most privileged group around. And the constant complaining is unbecoming. Trust me. Be thankful you were dealt the skin pigment and Y chromosome you were and move along. Because every woman and non white person (plus most white males) see the whining and It's like Nick Saban crying that he only got 19 of the 20 All Americans he wanted in recruiting with one guy instead choosing Vandy. Count your advantages and move on. You'll be lot happier.

J

Joe I appreciate your thoughtful post on what is a sensitive topic

To address some parts of your post, yes I do consider it racism based on line number 2 is correct.

And ill post part of a post I made earlier (you probably didn't see it, don't blame you for that, this is a big thread)

School A is accepting a person based on certain criteria that should have nothing to do with skin color and ten percent of white people meet that criteria while 10 percent of black people meet that criteria and lets say there are 1000 white people applying to that school and 100 black people applying to that school(more white people applying to the school because there are just more white people in the country then there are black people so its just common sense) that means that school would have 100 white people and 10 black people, and that is very fair.

Now if you make skin color a requirement and want it 55 white people and 55 black people that would mean 45 white people got discriminated against because of their skin color. How is that fair ? How is it moral to look at a person by their skin, and not by their heart and soul?

As for the constant complaining part, I am just trying to respond accordingly with logic to each post someone has, maybe it is getting a little too much though, but if someone puts in time to comment on this thread I feel it is only respectful to comment back.

Using skin color to become diversified is extremely racist and wrong. Instead of color, schools should use social economic factors to diversify. A white kid growing up down town is a completely different kid than one who grew up in the country.

What these schools are saying is your different race neighbor has completely different values. When in actuality you're more alike than someone who grew up on the other side of the tracks.

Also the if you're white you can't complain about racism is pretty poor character. Wrong is wrong.

 

[bigbottom]

To be fair, Joe, if you don't have real obstacles to overcome, you have quite a bit of spare time and energy to focus on perceived slights and minor injustices.

 

[johnjohn]

Hi john,

I don't know you really believe this or if this is just a joke for you. If you really believe it, here's how it seems to me.

You seem to be focused on Affirmative Action and defining racism.

From Dictionary.com

Racism

noun

1.a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural orindividual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the rightto rule others.
2.a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

I'm guessing that what you're thinking is a policy for a school that takes non white students over white students with better scores or qualifications is racism based on the 2nd definition above. In other words, you're saying that the school is discriminating against the white students.

That runs against the "own race is superior" angle. But even if you want to overlook that, let's assume that's what you're saying.

For Affirmative Action from Merriam-Webster

an active effort to improve the employment or educational opportunities of members of minority groups and women;also : a similar effort to promote the rights or progress of other disadvantaged persons

This takes us to much discussed question of "Is Affirmative Action Racist?

A quick google search will give you lots of material to read. This one from debate.org was pretty interesting.

What's my take? I don't really know and honestly don't care about the debate of defining the word. I guess if you come down to the literal definition, you could make the case that a policy defined by race is by definition racist but I'm more interested in the bigger picture.

And in that picture, I'm ok with institutions like Universities using quotas to encourage more diversity.

Personal note - I have no idea what race or gender you are. If you're a white male, I've got two words for you. Ease up. We are the most privileged group around. And the constant complaining is unbecoming. Trust me. Be thankful you were dealt the skin pigment and Y chromosome you were and move along. Because every woman and non white person (plus most white males) see the whining and It's like Nick Saban crying that he only got 19 of the 20 All Americans he wanted in recruiting with one guy instead choosing Vandy. Count your advantages and move on. You'll be lot happier.

J

Joe I appreciate your thoughtful post on what is a sensitive topic

To address some parts of your post, yes I do consider it racism based on line number 2 is correct.

And ill post part of a post I made earlier (you probably didn't see it, don't blame you for that, this is a big thread)

School A is accepting a person based on certain criteria that should have nothing to do with skin color and ten percent of white people meet that criteria while 10 percent of black people meet that criteria and lets say there are 1000 white people applying to that school and 100 black people applying to that school(more white people applying to the school because there are just more white people in the country then there are black people so its just common sense) that means that school would have 100 white people and 10 black people, and that is very fair.

Now if you make skin color a requirement and want it 55 white people and 55 black people that would mean 45 white people got discriminated against because of their skin color. How is that fair ? How is it moral to look at a person by their skin, and not by their heart and soul?

As for the constant complaining part, I am just trying to respond accordingly with logic to each post someone has, maybe it is getting a little too much though, but if someone puts in time to comment on this thread I feel it is only respectful to comment back.

I won't go back and forth with you on this but real quick.

Life isn't fair. Sometimes it's not remotely fair. The sooner you accept that, the further you'll be able to go.

So you pick your battles. Because everyone has a finite amount of energy to battle with. If you're a white male and Affirmative Action is unfair in your opinion, I think you practically have two choices.

#1. Spend a ton of energy fighting it. Focus on it. Obsess over it. Look for every instance you can find of it and whenever you see it, yell and scream about it.

#2. Realize that as a white male you're already incredibly privileged, count the giant pile of chips on the poker table of life that society has already spotted you, take your tiny little hit of what feels unfair to you, and move on. And use that energy toward doing a zillion possible positive things. Many of which you'll already have a head start on being a white male.

Plus you avoid the from everyone else. And they probably have a point. I'm not trying to be a jerk here. You may be fishing for all I know. But if you're serious about what you're saying, trust me. Take your advantage and move on to bigger things. You'll be a lot happier I bet.

J

Joe I appreciate your thoughts, I have tremendous respect for what you and Dodds have accomplished with FBGs, it is truly impressive. I will consider what you have said and do some self reflection in my journal about it.

God Bless Joe, and God bless to everyone else that has participated in this thread because at the end of the day we are all just trying to argue for justice. You're all good people. <3

 

[Joe Bryant]

To be fair, Joe, if you don't have real obstacles to overcome, you have quite a bit of spare time and energy to focus on perceived slights and minor injustices.

That's true for sure, BB. And that's what bums me out. As I get older, I think I'm more sensitive to wasted time and energy. And I'm particularly sensitive today I think as today would have been my little brother's birthday and I've been feeling it today. And you surely know this better than I. But we've all got a limited time here. And some things are just not worth the time it takes to complain about. And I know I'm hypocritical as I waste time too. This board is not exactly the picture of productivity. But I do think real things get moved forward here sometimes. I dunno. I'm just sensitive to wasting time on minor stuff.

J

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Hi john,

I don't know you really believe this or if this is just a joke for you. If you really believe it, here's how it seems to me.

You seem to be focused on Affirmative Action and defining racism.

From Dictionary.com

Racism

noun

1.a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural orindividual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the rightto rule others.
2.a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

I'm guessing that what you're thinking is a policy for a school that takes non white students over white students with better scores or qualifications is racism based on the 2nd definition above. In other words, you're saying that the school is discriminating against the white students.

That runs against the "own race is superior" angle. But even if you want to overlook that, let's assume that's what you're saying.

For Affirmative Action from Merriam-Webster

an active effort to improve the employment or educational opportunities of members of minority groups and women;also : a similar effort to promote the rights or progress of other disadvantaged persons

This takes us to much discussed question of "Is Affirmative Action Racist?

A quick google search will give you lots of material to read. This one from debate.org was pretty interesting.

What's my take? I don't really know and honestly don't care about the debate of defining the word. I guess if you come down to the literal definition, you could make the case that a policy defined by race is by definition racist but I'm more interested in the bigger picture.

And in that picture, I'm ok with institutions like Universities using quotas to encourage more diversity.

Personal note - I have no idea what race or gender you are. If you're a white male, I've got two words for you. Ease up. We are the most privileged group around. And the constant complaining is unbecoming. Trust me. Be thankful you were dealt the skin pigment and Y chromosome you were and move along. Because every woman and non white person (plus most white males) see the whining and It's like Nick Saban crying that he only got 19 of the 20 All Americans he wanted in recruiting with one guy instead choosing Vandy. Count your advantages and move on. You'll be lot happier.

J

Joe I appreciate your thoughtful post on what is a sensitive topic

To address some parts of your post, yes I do consider it racism based on line number 2 is correct.

And ill post part of a post I made earlier (you probably didn't see it, don't blame you for that, this is a big thread)

School A is accepting a person based on certain criteria that should have nothing to do with skin color and ten percent of white people meet that criteria while 10 percent of black people meet that criteria and lets say there are 1000 white people applying to that school and 100 black people applying to that school(more white people applying to the school because there are just more white people in the country then there are black people so its just common sense) that means that school would have 100 white people and 10 black people, and that is very fair.

Now if you make skin color a requirement and want it 55 white people and 55 black people that would mean 45 white people got discriminated against because of their skin color. How is that fair ? How is it moral to look at a person by their skin, and not by their heart and soul?

As for the constant complaining part, I am just trying to respond accordingly with logic to each post someone has, maybe it is getting a little too much though, but if someone puts in time to comment on this thread I feel it is only respectful to comment back.

I won't go back and forth with you on this but real quick.

Life isn't fair. Sometimes it's not remotely fair. The sooner you accept that, the further you'll be able to go.

So you pick your battles. Because everyone has a finite amount of energy to battle with. If you're a white male and Affirmative Action is unfair in your opinion, I think you practically have two choices.

#1. Spend a ton of energy fighting it. Focus on it. Obsess over it. Look for every instance you can find of it and whenever you see it, yell and scream about it.

#2. Realize that as a white male you're already incredibly privileged, count the giant pile of chips on the poker table of life that society has already spotted you, take your tiny little hit of what feels unfair to you, and move on. And use that energy toward doing a zillion possible positive things. Many of which you'll already have a head start on being a white male.

Plus you avoid the from everyone else. And they probably have a point. I'm not trying to be a jerk here. You may be fishing for all I know. But if you're serious about what you're saying, trust me. Take your advantage and move on to bigger things. You'll be a lot happier I bet.

J

Joe I appreciate your thoughts, I have tremendous respect for what you and Dodds have accomplished with FBGs, it is truly impressive. I will consider what you have said and do some self reflection in my journal about it.

God Bless Joe, and God bless to everyone else that has participated in this thread because at the end of the day we are all just trying to argue for justice. You're all good people. <3

Journal?

 

[drummer]

This thread is ultimately insulting to minorities. Of which I am one.

 

[bigbottom]

To be fair, Joe, if you don't have real obstacles to overcome, you have quite a bit of spare time and energy to focus on perceived slights and minor injustices.

That's true for sure, BB. And that's what bums me out. As I get older, I think I'm more sensitive to wasted time and energy. And I'm particularly sensitive today I think as today would have been my little brother's birthday and I've been feeling it today. And you surely know this better than I. But we've all got a limited time here. And some things are just not worth the time it takes to complain about. And I know I'm hypocritical as I waste time too. This board is not exactly the picture of productivity. But I do think real things get moved forward here sometimes. I dunno. I'm just sensitive to wasting time on minor stuff.

J

I hear ya Joe. I didn't know about your little brother. So sorry. Birthdays are bittersweet, but a great opportunity to celebrate and be thankful for the limited time we had with our loved one.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

To be fair, Joe, if you don't have real obstacles to overcome, you have quite a bit of spare time and energy to focus on perceived slights and minor injustices.

That's true for sure, BB. And that's what bums me out. As I get older, I think I'm more sensitive to wasted time and energy. And I'm particularly sensitive today I think as today would have been my little brother's birthday and I've been feeling it today. And you surely know this better than I. But we've all got a limited time here. And some things are just not worth the time it takes to complain about. And I know I'm hypocritical as I waste time too. This board is not exactly the picture of productivity. But I do think real things get moved forward here sometimes. I dunno. I'm just sensitive to wasting time on minor stuff.

J

I for one find this board very informative as well as entertaining .I read discussions about things ive never really bothered to think about many times and came away with a greater understanding of that certain subject. I find many of the posters in here very witty and smart ....ive learned a lot just hanging out and reading others points of view.Threads like this one start off interesting then crumble ...but the journey is somewhat enjoyable .

 

[Joe Bryant]

To be fair, Joe, if you don't have real obstacles to overcome, you have quite a bit of spare time and energy to focus on perceived slights and minor injustices.

That's true for sure, BB. And that's what bums me out. As I get older, I think I'm more sensitive to wasted time and energy. And I'm particularly sensitive today I think as today would have been my little brother's birthday and I've been feeling it today. And you surely know this better than I. But we've all got a limited time here. And some things are just not worth the time it takes to complain about. And I know I'm hypocritical as I waste time too. This board is not exactly the picture of productivity. But I do think real things get moved forward here sometimes. I dunno. I'm just sensitive to wasting time on minor stuff.

J

I hear ya Joe. I didn't know about your little brother. So sorry. Birthdays are bittersweet, but a great opportunity to celebrate and be thankful for the limited time we had with our loved one.

Thanks BB.

J

 

[johnjohn]

To be fair, Joe, if you don't have real obstacles to overcome, you have quite a bit of spare time and energy to focus on perceived slights and minor injustices.

That's true for sure, BB. And that's what bums me out. As I get older, I think I'm more sensitive to wasted time and energy. And I'm particularly sensitive today I think as today would have been my little brother's birthday and I've been feeling it today. And you surely know this better than I. But we've all got a limited time here. And some things are just not worth the time it takes to complain about. And I know I'm hypocritical as I waste time too. This board is not exactly the picture of productivity. But I do think real things get moved forward here sometimes. I dunno. I'm just sensitive to wasting time on minor stuff.

J

Joe I am sorry to hear about your little brother, that is a real shame.

 

[timschochet]

Joe, your posts in this thread have been extremely eloquent and very well thought out. I'm sorry about your brother.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Thanks John and Tim.

J

 

[TxBuckeye]

#1. Spend a ton of energy fighting it. Focus on it. Obsess over it. Look for every instance you can find of it and whenever you see it, yell and scream about it.

Should have just stopped right there.

p.s. And sorry about your brother. Mine passed when he was only 32.

 

[simey]

To be fair, Joe, if you don't have real obstacles to overcome, you have quite a bit of spare time and energy to focus on perceived slights and minor injustices.

That's true for sure, BB. And that's what bums me out. As I get older, I think I'm more sensitive to wasted time and energy. And I'm particularly sensitive today I think as today would have been my little brother's birthday and I've been feeling it today.

J

I remember when your brother passed on. Did your son play a touching song for him at the funeral on his guitar? I could be wrong, but that's in my head. Anyway, I hope some good memories have filled your heart today.

 

[CBusAlex]

How in the world is Princeton not a white college in a way that Grambling is a black college? They both used to be for whites only or blacks only, respectively, and now they're both for everybody. To this day, Princeton has mostly white students and Grambling has mostly black students. Where's the asymmetry?

I already explained this but I will again.If there are more white people than black people it makes sense that a school would have more white students than black students without it being considered a white college or racist. For a college to be mostly black despite them being the minority proves it is a black college. the minority would never be the majority unless it is done on purpose and if it is done on purpose then it is racist, its that simple.

As recently as 1980, WWU was over 96% white. Today, only 1.7% of their students are black, and 6.1% are hispanic, despite those groups making up 12% and 16% of the US population, respectively. Demographics alone cannot explain why WWU is as white as it is.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

How in the world is Princeton not a white college in a way that Grambling is a black college? They both used to be for whites only or blacks only, respectively, and now they're both for everybody. To this day, Princeton has mostly white students and Grambling has mostly black students. Where's the asymmetry?

I already explained this but I will again.If there are more white people than black people it makes sense that a school would have more white students than black students without it being considered a white college or racist. For a college to be mostly black despite them being the minority proves it is a black college. the minority would never be the majority unless it is done on purpose and if it is done on purpose then it is racist, its that simple.

As recently as 1980, WWU was over 96% white. Today, only 1.7% of their students are black, and 6.1% are hispanic, despite those groups making up 12% and 16% of the US population, respectively. Demographics alone cannot explain why WWU is as white as it is.

I was hoping this thread was going to fade away....i guess not

 

[CBusAlex]

I was hoping this thread was going to fade away....i guess not

I don't think you understand how important this is. Someone is wrong on the internet!

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I was hoping this thread was going to fade away....i guess not

I don't think you understand how important this is. Someone is wrong on the internet!

True

 

[johnjohn]

How in the world is Princeton not a white college in a way that Grambling is a black college? They both used to be for whites only or blacks only, respectively, and now they're both for everybody. To this day, Princeton has mostly white students and Grambling has mostly black students. Where's the asymmetry?

I already explained this but I will again.If there are more white people than black people it makes sense that a school would have more white students than black students without it being considered a white college or racist. For a college to be mostly black despite them being the minority proves it is a black college. the minority would never be the majority unless it is done on purpose and if it is done on purpose then it is racist, its that simple.

As recently as 1980, WWU was over 96% white. Today, only 1.7% of their students are black, and 6.1% are hispanic, despite those groups making up 12% and 16% of the US population, respectively. Demographics alone cannot explain why WWU is as white as it is.

There is a reasonable answer for this but I'd rather not get into it. I am done with this thread, but I appreciate your thoughts.

 

[hxperson]

I was hoping this thread was going to fade away....i guess not

I don't think you understand how important this is. Someone is wrong on the internet!

True

I think people get outraged when someone as racist as the OP proclaims that institutions that are trying to advance racial equality are the racists (as well as other posters in here) and that he is fighting against racism. BTW, I didn't really think the OP's level of discrimintion was that bad until the black college thing.

 

[johnjohn]

I was hoping this thread was going to fade away....i guess not

I don't think you understand how important this is. Someone is wrong on the internet!

True

I think people get outraged when someone as racist as the OP proclaims that institutions that are trying to advance racial equality are the racists (as well as other posters in here) and that he is fighting against racism. BTW, I didn't really think the OP's level of discrimintion was that bad until the black college thing.

I am the least racist here, I want to erase the idea of separating humans by skin color

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I was hoping this thread was going to fade away....i guess not

I don't think you understand how important this is. Someone is wrong on the internet!

True

I think people get outraged when someone as racist as the OP proclaims that institutions that are trying to advance racial equality are the racists (as well as other posters in here) and that he is fighting against racism. BTW, I didn't really think the OP's level of discrimintion was that bad until the black college thing.

ya ,he`s pretty angry....something happened to him in the past im guessing

 

[Joe Bryant]

To be fair, Joe, if you don't have real obstacles to overcome, you have quite a bit of spare time and energy to focus on perceived slights and minor injustices.

That's true for sure, BB. And that's what bums me out. As I get older, I think I'm more sensitive to wasted time and energy. And I'm particularly sensitive today I think as today would have been my little brother's birthday and I've been feeling it today.

J

I remember when your brother passed on. Did your son play a touching song for him at the funeral on his guitar? I could be wrong, but that's in my head. Anyway, I hope some good memories have filled your heart today.

Thank you simey. Wow, you have a good memory. Yes, my son played a song at his funeral that was incredible. Thank you - I do have a lot of good memories about my brother. Thanks.

J

 

[BustedKnuckles]

To be fair, Joe, if you don't have real obstacles to overcome, you have quite a bit of spare time and energy to focus on perceived slights and minor injustices.

That's true for sure, BB. And that's what bums me out. As I get older, I think I'm more sensitive to wasted time and energy. And I'm particularly sensitive today I think as today would have been my little brother's birthday and I've been feeling it today.

J

I remember when your brother passed on. Did your son play a touching song for him at the funeral on his guitar? I could be wrong, but that's in my head. Anyway, I hope some good memories have filled your heart today.

Thank you simey. Wow, you have a good memory. Yes, my son played a song at his funeral that was incredible. Thank you - I do have a lot of good memories about my brother. Thanks.

J

And the memories are so important,...keeps lost loved ones alive in our hearts...god bless JB

 

[bigbottom]

I was hoping this thread was going to fade away....i guess not

I don't think you understand how important this is. Someone is wrong on the internet!

True

I think people get outraged when someone as racist as the OP proclaims that institutions that are trying to advance racial equality are the racists (as well as other posters in here) and that he is fighting against racism. BTW, I didn't really think the OP's level of discrimintion was that bad until the black college thing.

I am the least racist here, I want to erase the idea of separating humans by skin color

Increasing campus diversity does the opposite of separating humans by color.

 

[Chaka]

I'm not leaving this thread until Kevin Sorbo weighs in.

 

[Mario Kart]

As recently as 1980, WWU was over 96% white. Today, only 1.7% of their students are black, and 6.1% are hispanic, despite those groups making up 12% and 16% of the US population, respectively. Demographics alone cannot explain why WWU is as white as it is.

There is a reasonable answer for this but I'd rather not get into it. I am done with this thread, but I appreciate your thoughts.

I'm on the edge of my seat.

 

[urbanhack]

Hey jj,

Hope your Friday is off to great start. Just saw this story come up on FB feed, thought you might enjoy reading over the weekend.

http://www.npr.org/2014/04/18/304194508/six-words-segregation-should-not-determine-our-future?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20140418

Have a great rest of your weekend,

-hack

 

[avoiding injuries]

As recently as 1980, WWU was over 96% white. Today, only 1.7% of their students are black, and 6.1% are hispanic, despite those groups making up 12% and 16% of the US population, respectively. Demographics alone cannot explain why WWU is as white as it is.

There is a reasonable answer for this but I'd rather not get into it. I am done with this thread, but I appreciate your thoughts.

I'm on the edge of my seat.

I'm sure this is not the reasonable answer john is getting at, but the demographics of Washington St are closer to the WWU rates than the US Population. http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/53000.html