Is this University racist against white people? (1 Viewer)

[bigbottom]

By constantly making stories and headlines about racism, the problem is accentuated and, ultimately, perpetuated. I'm a true mutt, ranging from Nordic ancestry, Mexican, and a Native American tribe receiving reparation to this day (albeit I refuse benefits for personal reasons). Racism always makes for an attention-grabbing story, whether valid or not. Civil rights movements were founded with just cause --> http://youtu.be/4Aprax8qFiQ Rosa Parks will remind us of that.

Having said that, and ultimately questioning the intent of the OP, I try to take opinions at face value. I try to stand in another's shoes, even if they reek of controversy. Is there merit to johnjohn's point? I think the story is overblown, but we would all agree that there would be NAACP outrage if admission/acceptance were skewed against blacks. I had an application for funding rejected a few years back when I applied as a white male. I reapplied and indicated my native heritage, and it was a completely different story.

Would Rosa Parks, being a woman of sound principle, stand idly by if the tables had been turned? Having some hope for humanity, I would guess NO.

I think the ire that we all have toward johnjohn's posts is related more to the intention than it is to the content, considering there is actually a hint of truth to the fact that white males are discriminated against. The counter argument should not be, "well whites have it so easy". That is a crutch, and an ineffective argument to defend discrimination against white males.

bittersweet postI am glad you find some truth in my posts but sad you think I may have bad intentions

Man, you even play the victim when someone defends you!

 

[johnjohn]

Is there merit to johnjohn's point? I think the story is overblown, but we would all agree that there would be NAACP outrage if admission/acceptance were skewed against blacks. I had an application for funding rejected a few years back when I applied as a white male. I reapplied and indicated my native heritage, and it was a completely different story.

Studies have shown that college admissions/acceptances are skewed against Asians as compared to white applicants. I'm better off applying as a white student than I am as an Asian at many elite schools. There is little outrage or mainstream controversy on that front. But that point was dismissed as irrelevant.

"point was dismissed as irrelevant."

let's not be dishonest and post without proper context

 

[timschochet]

Whites can be victims of racism in other parts of the world, in rare instances. Earlier today I started a thread about the sad fact that the African National Congress in South Africa is now repeating some of the racially based mistakes that were made against them during Apartheid.

But it doesn't happen in this country. Anybody who believes that white people face systematic racism and/or oppression here has a very questionable agenda.

 

[bigbottom]

Is there merit to johnjohn's point? I think the story is overblown, but we would all agree that there would be NAACP outrage if admission/acceptance were skewed against blacks. I had an application for funding rejected a few years back when I applied as a white male. I reapplied and indicated my native heritage, and it was a completely different story.

Studies have shown that college admissions/acceptances are skewed against Asians as compared to white applicants. I'm better off applying as a white student than I am as an Asian at many elite schools. There is little outrage or mainstream controversy on that front. But that point was dismissed as irrelevant.

"point was dismissed as irrelevant."let's not be dishonest and post without proper context

So my point is relevant and there are indeed examples of accepted discrimination against non-white populations of college applicants? Cool, we're in agreement after all!

 

[johnjohn]

Whites can be victims of racism in other parts of the world, in rare instances. Earlier today I started a thread about the sad fact that the African National Congress in South Africa is now repeating some of the racially based mistakes that were made against them during Apartheid.

But it doesn't happen in this country. Anybody who believes that white people face systematic racism and/or oppression here has a very questionable agenda.

anyone who believes something I dont is [insert negative attack] great post timmy

 

[bigbottom]

Whites can be victims of racism in other parts of the world, in rare instances. Earlier today I started a thread about the sad fact that the African National Congress in South Africa is now repeating some of the racially based mistakes that were made against them during Apartheid.

But it doesn't happen in this country. Anybody who believes that white people face systematic racism and/or oppression here has a very questionable agenda.

anyone who believes something I dont is [insert negative attack] great post timmy

Why the thin skin? Would you have preferred that he called you dishonest?

 

[slackjawedyokel]

Is there merit to johnjohn's point? I think the story is overblown, but we would all agree that there would be NAACP outrage if admission/acceptance were skewed against blacks. I had an application for funding rejected a few years back when I applied as a white male. I reapplied and indicated my native heritage, and it was a completely different story.

Studies have shown that college admissions/acceptances are skewed against Asians as compared to white applicants. I'm better off applying as a white student than I am as an Asian at many elite schools. There is little outrage or mainstream controversy on that front. But that point was dismissed as irrelevant.

"point was dismissed as irrelevant."let's not be dishonest and post without proper context

So my point is relevant and there are indeed examples of accepted discrimination against non-white populations of college applicants? Cool, we're in agreement after all!

I think this is the main point to realize... that discrimination does happen, regardless of skin color. My thought is that we should all recognize that societal adjustments can be equally damaging when there is an overcompensation. Whites DO have it easier, for a number of reason, but it does not make it a good argument. Better to end discrimination that to "even the score", for lack of a better description.

 

[johnjohn]

Is there merit to johnjohn's point? I think the story is overblown, but we would all agree that there would be NAACP outrage if admission/acceptance were skewed against blacks. I had an application for funding rejected a few years back when I applied as a white male. I reapplied and indicated my native heritage, and it was a completely different story.

Studies have shown that college admissions/acceptances are skewed against Asians as compared to white applicants. I'm better off applying as a white student than I am as an Asian at many elite schools. There is little outrage or mainstream controversy on that front. But that point was dismissed as irrelevant.

"point was dismissed as irrelevant."let's not be dishonest and post without proper context

So my point is relevant and there are indeed examples of accepted discrimination against non-white populations of college applicants? Cool, we're in agreement after all!

When we were talking, I asked for an example that was similar to mine (someone publicly displaying racism against white people and everyone being okay with it) and you didn't give me that. That isn't to say the sneaky discrimination that isn't admitted is less important, it just means you gave the wrong example.

Also, #cancelcolbert is proof that if there was public racism against asians (colbert wasnt actually being racist they just thought he was) people would be DESTROYED for it

 

[bigbottom]

Is there merit to johnjohn's point? I think the story is overblown, but we would all agree that there would be NAACP outrage if admission/acceptance were skewed against blacks. I had an application for funding rejected a few years back when I applied as a white male. I reapplied and indicated my native heritage, and it was a completely different story.

Studies have shown that college admissions/acceptances are skewed against Asians as compared to white applicants. I'm better off applying as a white student than I am as an Asian at many elite schools. There is little outrage or mainstream controversy on that front. But that point was dismissed as irrelevant.

"point was dismissed as irrelevant."let's not be dishonest and post without proper context

So my point is relevant and there are indeed examples of accepted discrimination against non-white populations of college applicants? Cool, we're in agreement after all!

I think this is the main point to realize... that discrimination does happen, regardless of skin color. My thought is that we should all recognize that societal adjustments can be equally damaging when there is an overcompensation. Whites DO have it easier, for a number of reason, but it does not make it a good argument. Better to end discrimination that to "even the score", for lack of a better description.

Societal adjustments that are marginally disadvantageous to an otherwise highly advantaged majority can be equally damaging as compared to a long and storied history of systemic and institutionalized discrimination? I'll just say that I largely disagree with that premise and leave it at that.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=5549

Please explain your position on whether its racist or not.

I will start off by saying it is indeed racist because it is making skin color a factor when it absolutely shouldn't be a factor. To them, everyone should be the same color, and it isn't their job to limit or promote someone based on the color of their skin.

 

[PatsWillWin]

School that admit a vast white majority is racist against white people.

 

[slackjawedyokel]

Is there merit to johnjohn's point? I think the story is overblown, but we would all agree that there would be NAACP outrage if admission/acceptance were skewed against blacks. I had an application for funding rejected a few years back when I applied as a white male. I reapplied and indicated my native heritage, and it was a completely different story.

Studies have shown that college admissions/acceptances are skewed against Asians as compared to white applicants. I'm better off applying as a white student than I am as an Asian at many elite schools. There is little outrage or mainstream controversy on that front. But that point was dismissed as irrelevant.

"point was dismissed as irrelevant."let's not be dishonest and post without proper context

So my point is relevant and there are indeed examples of accepted discrimination against non-white populations of college applicants? Cool, we're in agreement after all!

I think this is the main point to realize... that discrimination does happen, regardless of skin color. My thought is that we should all recognize that societal adjustments can be equally damaging when there is an overcompensation. Whites DO have it easier, for a number of reason, but it does not make it a good argument. Better to end discrimination that to "even the score", for lack of a better description.

Societal adjustments that are marginally disadvantageous to an otherwise highly advantaged majority can be equally damaging as compared to a long and storied history of systemic and institutionalized discrimination? I'll just say that I largely disagree with that premise and leave it at that.

Please explain...

I personally had the experience of being denied financial aid and being accepted for financial aid with no difference other than the selected ethnicity on the application. I was the exact same person both times I filled out the application. My thought is that there is something inherently divisive with the process that made that situation possible. This is the exact same situation that you described with Asians having a lower likelihood of acceptance purely based on being Asian. Where do we disagree?

 

[bigbottom]

Is there merit to johnjohn's point? I think the story is overblown, but we would all agree that there would be NAACP outrage if admission/acceptance were skewed against blacks. I had an application for funding rejected a few years back when I applied as a white male. I reapplied and indicated my native heritage, and it was a completely different story.

Studies have shown that college admissions/acceptances are skewed against Asians as compared to white applicants. I'm better off applying as a white student than I am as an Asian at many elite schools. There is little outrage or mainstream controversy on that front. But that point was dismissed as irrelevant.

"point was dismissed as irrelevant."let's not be dishonest and post without proper context

So my point is relevant and there are indeed examples of accepted discrimination against non-white populations of college applicants? Cool, we're in agreement after all!

When we were talking, I asked for an example that was similar to mine (someone publicly displaying racism against white people and everyone being okay with it) and you didn't give me that. That isn't to say the sneaky discrimination that isn't admitted is less important, it just means you gave the wrong example.

As stated, your challenge wasn't limited to someone publicly displaying racism and everyone being okay with it. You asked for an example of racism against non-whites that was "accepted." My example fit that criteria. Just as it is accepted that certain minority populations are favored in college admissions decisions, so to is it accepted that certain minority populations are disadvantaged in college admissions. If you intended a more limited scope for your challenge, it was not worded in an optimal manner.

 

[timschochet]

School that admit a vast white majority is racist against white people.

In a sense they are. White people are boring. They're actually punishing white people by making them hang out with too many other white people.

 

[bigbottom]

Is there merit to johnjohn's point? I think the story is overblown, but we would all agree that there would be NAACP outrage if admission/acceptance were skewed against blacks. I had an application for funding rejected a few years back when I applied as a white male. I reapplied and indicated my native heritage, and it was a completely different story.

Studies have shown that college admissions/acceptances are skewed against Asians as compared to white applicants. I'm better off applying as a white student than I am as an Asian at many elite schools. There is little outrage or mainstream controversy on that front. But that point was dismissed as irrelevant.

"point was dismissed as irrelevant."let's not be dishonest and post without proper context

So my point is relevant and there are indeed examples of accepted discrimination against non-white populations of college applicants? Cool, we're in agreement after all!

I think this is the main point to realize... that discrimination does happen, regardless of skin color. My thought is that we should all recognize that societal adjustments can be equally damaging when there is an overcompensation. Whites DO have it easier, for a number of reason, but it does not make it a good argument. Better to end discrimination that to "even the score", for lack of a better description.

Societal adjustments that are marginally disadvantageous to an otherwise highly advantaged majority can be equally damaging as compared to a long and storied history of systemic and institutionalized discrimination? I'll just say that I largely disagree with that premise and leave it at that.

Please explain... I personally had the experience of being denied financial aid and being accepted for financial aid with no difference other than the selected ethnicity on the application. I was the exact same person both times I filled out the application. My thought is that there is something inherently divisive with the process that made that situation possible. This is the exact same situation that you described with Asians having a lower likelihood of acceptance purely based on being Asian. Where do we disagree?

Minorities used to be denied admission to institutions of higher learning. You not getting financial aid is not equally damaging to that history of systemic exclusion. That is all I am saying - the way you write your post made it sound like you were asserting that affirmative action designed to address a history of systemic and institutional discrimination is as "equally damaging" as the history of systemic and institutional discrimination. I find that assertion to be preposterous, if that was the assertion you were making.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Also, #cancelcolbert is proof that if there was public racism against asians (colbert wasnt actually being racist they just thought he was) people would be DESTROYED for it

So you don't think "Ching-Chong Ding-Dong" is racist?

 

[johnjohn]

Is there merit to johnjohn's point? I think the story is overblown, but we would all agree that there would be NAACP outrage if admission/acceptance were skewed against blacks. I had an application for funding rejected a few years back when I applied as a white male. I reapplied and indicated my native heritage, and it was a completely different story.

Studies have shown that college admissions/acceptances are skewed against Asians as compared to white applicants. I'm better off applying as a white student than I am as an Asian at many elite schools. There is little outrage or mainstream controversy on that front. But that point was dismissed as irrelevant.

"point was dismissed as irrelevant."let's not be dishonest and post without proper context

So my point is relevant and there are indeed examples of accepted discrimination against non-white populations of college applicants? Cool, we're in agreement after all!

When we were talking, I asked for an example that was similar to mine (someone publicly displaying racism against white people and everyone being okay with it) and you didn't give me that. That isn't to say the sneaky discrimination that isn't admitted is less important, it just means you gave the wrong example.

As stated, your challenge wasn't limited to someone publicly displaying racism and everyone being okay with it. You asked for examples of racism against non-whites that was "accepted." My example fit that criteria. Just as it is accepted that certain minority populations are favored in college admissions decisions, so to is it accepted that certain minority populations are disadvantaged in college admissions. If you intended a more limited scope for your challenge, it was not worded in an optimal manner.

disagree

"I challenge anyone to find obvious racism like this" like this was the link i posted where it was ADMITTING to racism.

Studies that imply racism isn't no where near as obvious as a school saying "yeah, we need to find a way to get less white people"

 

[slackjawedyokel]

Is there merit to johnjohn's point? I think the story is overblown, but we would all agree that there would be NAACP outrage if admission/acceptance were skewed against blacks. I had an application for funding rejected a few years back when I applied as a white male. I reapplied and indicated my native heritage, and it was a completely different story.

Studies have shown that college admissions/acceptances are skewed against Asians as compared to white applicants. I'm better off applying as a white student than I am as an Asian at many elite schools. There is little outrage or mainstream controversy on that front. But that point was dismissed as irrelevant.

"point was dismissed as irrelevant."let's not be dishonest and post without proper context

So my point is relevant and there are indeed examples of accepted discrimination against non-white populations of college applicants? Cool, we're in agreement after all!

I think this is the main point to realize... that discrimination does happen, regardless of skin color. My thought is that we should all recognize that societal adjustments can be equally damaging when there is an overcompensation. Whites DO have it easier, for a number of reason, but it does not make it a good argument. Better to end discrimination that to "even the score", for lack of a better description.

Societal adjustments that are marginally disadvantageous to an otherwise highly advantaged majority can be equally damaging as compared to a long and storied history of systemic and institutionalized discrimination? I'll just say that I largely disagree with that premise and leave it at that.

Please explain... I personally had the experience of being denied financial aid and being accepted for financial aid with no difference other than the selected ethnicity on the application. I was the exact same person both times I filled out the application. My thought is that there is something inherently divisive with the process that made that situation possible. This is the exact same situation that you described with Asians having a lower likelihood of acceptance purely based on being Asian. Where do we disagree?

Minorities used to be denied admission to institutions of higher learning. You not getting financial aid is not equally damaging to that history of systemic exclusion. That is all I am saying - the way you write your post made it sound like you were asserting that affirmative action designed to address a history of systemic and institutional discrimination is as "equally damaging" as the history of systemic and institutional discrimination. I find that assertion to be preposterous, if that was the assertion you were making.

Ah, yes not that my $3,000 grant is equal to admission based on race... not at all. Just thinking that making it harder for the "white" part of me to afford school is not an effective way to make the SERIOUSLY injured minorities of past decades whole.

 

[johnjohn]

Also, #cancelcolbert is proof that if there was public racism against asians (colbert wasnt actually being racist they just thought he was) people would be DESTROYED for it

So you don't think "Ching-Chong Ding-Dong" is racist?

He didn't post that on twitter if I recall correctly, (person working for him did), also, those words were taken out of context either way

 

[bigbottom]

Is there merit to johnjohn's point? I think the story is overblown, but we would all agree that there would be NAACP outrage if admission/acceptance were skewed against blacks. I had an application for funding rejected a few years back when I applied as a white male. I reapplied and indicated my native heritage, and it was a completely different story.

Studies have shown that college admissions/acceptances are skewed against Asians as compared to white applicants. I'm better off applying as a white student than I am as an Asian at many elite schools. There is little outrage or mainstream controversy on that front. But that point was dismissed as irrelevant.

"point was dismissed as irrelevant."let's not be dishonest and post without proper context

So my point is relevant and there are indeed examples of accepted discrimination against non-white populations of college applicants? Cool, we're in agreement after all!

When we were talking, I asked for an example that was similar to mine (someone publicly displaying racism against white people and everyone being okay with it) and you didn't give me that. That isn't to say the sneaky discrimination that isn't admitted is less important, it just means you gave the wrong example.

As stated, your challenge wasn't limited to someone publicly displaying racism and everyone being okay with it. You asked for examples of racism against non-whites that was "accepted." My example fit that criteria. Just as it is accepted that certain minority populations are favored in college admissions decisions, so to is it accepted that certain minority populations are disadvantaged in college admissions. If you intended a more limited scope for your challenge, it was not worded in an optimal manner.

disagree"I challenge anyone to find obvious racism like this" like this was the link i posted where it was ADMITTING to racism.

Studies that imply racism isn't no where near as obvious as a school saying "yeah, we need to find a way to get less white people"

So it is near as obvious?

 

[johnjohn]

Is there merit to johnjohn's point? I think the story is overblown, but we would all agree that there would be NAACP outrage if admission/acceptance were skewed against blacks. I had an application for funding rejected a few years back when I applied as a white male. I reapplied and indicated my native heritage, and it was a completely different story.

Studies have shown that college admissions/acceptances are skewed against Asians as compared to white applicants. I'm better off applying as a white student than I am as an Asian at many elite schools. There is little outrage or mainstream controversy on that front. But that point was dismissed as irrelevant.

"point was dismissed as irrelevant."let's not be dishonest and post without proper context

So my point is relevant and there are indeed examples of accepted discrimination against non-white populations of college applicants? Cool, we're in agreement after all!

When we were talking, I asked for an example that was similar to mine (someone publicly displaying racism against white people and everyone being okay with it) and you didn't give me that. That isn't to say the sneaky discrimination that isn't admitted is less important, it just means you gave the wrong example.

As stated, your challenge wasn't limited to someone publicly displaying racism and everyone being okay with it. You asked for examples of racism against non-whites that was "accepted." My example fit that criteria. Just as it is accepted that certain minority populations are favored in college admissions decisions, so to is it accepted that certain minority populations are disadvantaged in college admissions. If you intended a more limited scope for your challenge, it was not worded in an optimal manner.

disagree"I challenge anyone to find obvious racism like this" like this was the link i posted where it was ADMITTING to racism.

Studies that imply racism isn't no where near as obvious as a school saying "yeah, we need to find a way to get less white people"

So it is near as obvious?

are*

 

[bigbottom]

Is there merit to johnjohn's point? I think the story is overblown, but we would all agree that there would be NAACP outrage if admission/acceptance were skewed against blacks. I had an application for funding rejected a few years back when I applied as a white male. I reapplied and indicated my native heritage, and it was a completely different story.

Studies have shown that college admissions/acceptances are skewed against Asians as compared to white applicants. I'm better off applying as a white student than I am as an Asian at many elite schools. There is little outrage or mainstream controversy on that front. But that point was dismissed as irrelevant.

"point was dismissed as irrelevant."let's not be dishonest and post without proper context

So my point is relevant and there are indeed examples of accepted discrimination against non-white populations of college applicants? Cool, we're in agreement after all!

When we were talking, I asked for an example that was similar to mine (someone publicly displaying racism against white people and everyone being okay with it) and you didn't give me that. That isn't to say the sneaky discrimination that isn't admitted is less important, it just means you gave the wrong example.

As stated, your challenge wasn't limited to someone publicly displaying racism and everyone being okay with it. You asked for examples of racism against non-whites that was "accepted." My example fit that criteria. Just as it is accepted that certain minority populations are favored in college admissions decisions, so to is it accepted that certain minority populations are disadvantaged in college admissions. If you intended a more limited scope for your challenge, it was not worded in an optimal manner.

disagree"I challenge anyone to find obvious racism like this" like this was the link i posted where it was ADMITTING to racism.

Studies that imply racism isn't no where near as obvious as a school saying "yeah, we need to find a way to get less white people"

So it is near as obvious?

are*

Yeah, that in addition to the double negative. So, to quote, "Studies . . . isn't no where near as obvious . . . ." Again, I'd suggest that this is less than optimal wording on your part. As to your substantive point, I don't agree that the video of the university president was an admission of racism, so much as it was a provocative way of calling for greater diversity (a position that, while potentially disadvantageous to the majority, is not inherently racist). I have a feeling we won't see eye to eye on that one.

 

[Spartans Rule]

"Make sure we're not as white" wasn't a very good choice of words, but it's not an uncommon sentiment. Lots of universities out there feel that having a more diverse population is a good thing, so that their students get exposed to different cultures and viewpoints and don't end up littering message boards with myopic gibberish about how unfair it is that white people have to deal with all this racism.

 

[avoiding injuries]

I went to a high school that was between 44% and 48% non-white and they still attempted to get more non-white students from the community into the school. It is now in the low 40s I think. It was in their mission statement to attempt to bring a more diverse population to the school and still is today. As a white male at this school, I never thought it was racist.

I think that this is a school that prides itself on diversity and reaches out in that fashion. I also think that the poll question was poorly worded and, now, taken out of context.

Some schools around me do this, including the one my wife taught at. I'm not sure if it's a national program, but locally it is called "Title One" and the funding the school receives goes up with more minority and disadvantaged children.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Does Joe have johnjohn on his ignore list?

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Bigbotton vs. johnjohn. Trying to come up with a proper analogy for this match-up.

David vs Goliath. Except Goliath has the slingshot and David has no arms.

 

[johnjohn]

Is there merit to johnjohn's point? I think the story is overblown, but we would all agree that there would be NAACP outrage if admission/acceptance were skewed against blacks. I had an application for funding rejected a few years back when I applied as a white male. I reapplied and indicated my native heritage, and it was a completely different story.

Studies have shown that college admissions/acceptances are skewed against Asians as compared to white applicants. I'm better off applying as a white student than I am as an Asian at many elite schools. There is little outrage or mainstream controversy on that front. But that point was dismissed as irrelevant.

"point was dismissed as irrelevant."let's not be dishonest and post without proper context

So my point is relevant and there are indeed examples of accepted discrimination against non-white populations of college applicants? Cool, we're in agreement after all!

When we were talking, I asked for an example that was similar to mine (someone publicly displaying racism against white people and everyone being okay with it) and you didn't give me that. That isn't to say the sneaky discrimination that isn't admitted is less important, it just means you gave the wrong example.

As stated, your challenge wasn't limited to someone publicly displaying racism and everyone being okay with it. You asked for examples of racism against non-whites that was "accepted." My example fit that criteria. Just as it is accepted that certain minority populations are favored in college admissions decisions, so to is it accepted that certain minority populations are disadvantaged in college admissions. If you intended a more limited scope for your challenge, it was not worded in an optimal manner.

disagree"I challenge anyone to find obvious racism like this" like this was the link i posted where it was ADMITTING to racism.

Studies that imply racism isn't no where near as obvious as a school saying "yeah, we need to find a way to get less white people"

So it is near as obvious?

are*

Yeah, that in addition to the double negative. So, to quote, "Studies . . . isn't no where near as obvious . . . ." Again, I'd suggest that this is less than optimal wording on your part.As to your substantive point, I don't agree that the video of the university president was an admission of racism, so much as it was a provocative way of calling for greater diversity (a position that, while potentially disadvantageous to the majority, is not inherently racist). I have a feeling we won't see eye to eye on that one.

I agree it was less than optimal wording, typed out the post and didn't look it over, mistakes/typos happen.

Anyways, glad you decided to focus on my actual post, the problem with diversity like that is it will always be harmful to whoever is in the majority. It creates a separation between people based on skin color, its saying we are all different, when really we are all the same, human, and skin color doesn't matter. To make it matter is racist.

That place is openly admitting it matters and thus they are racist and that should be a huge problem and it isn't , AND the fact it isn't a huge problem, is another huge problem in itself.

 

[johnjohn]

Bigbotton vs. johnjohn. Trying to come up with a proper analogy for this match-up.

David vs Goliath. Except Goliath has the slingshot and David has no arms.

might want to use pompoms to enhance your cheering

 

[Homer J Simpson]

I agree it was less than optimal wording, typed out the post and didn't look it over, mistakes/typos happen.


Anyways, glad you decided to focus on my actual post, the problem with diversity like that is it will always be harmful to whoever is in the majority. It creates a separation between people based on skin color, its saying we are all different, when really we are all the same, human, and skin color doesn't matter. To make it matter is racist.

That place is openly admitting it matters and thus they are racist and that should be a huge problem and it isn't , AND the fact it isn't a huge problem, is another huge problem in itself.

So any organization that promotes diversity is inherently racist?

 

[johnjohn]

I agree it was less than optimal wording, typed out the post and didn't look it over, mistakes/typos happen.


Anyways, glad you decided to focus on my actual post, the problem with diversity like that is it will always be harmful to whoever is in the majority. It creates a separation between people based on skin color, its saying we are all different, when really we are all the same, human, and skin color doesn't matter. To make it matter is racist.

That place is openly admitting it matters and thus they are racist and that should be a huge problem and it isn't , AND the fact it isn't a huge problem, is another huge problem in itself.

So any organization that promotes diversity is inherently racist?

any organization that says we need to find ways to get less (insert any color) people here is racist.

Organizations need to start looking at people, not their skin color or gender

 

[NCCommish]

I'm having a hard time figuring out how it is the university that is racist against white people. From the sound of it, the student enrollment is almost exclusively white.

But not completely so I am sure you can now see the problem.

 

[NCCommish]

Really can't believe you guys engage this obvious troll and one trick pony.

 

[ghostguy123]

Really can't believe you guys engage this obvious troll and one trick pony.

It would be racist if we didn't.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I'm pretty amazed this topic is still allive.

Has anyone discussed the WWU president's explanation of all this?

http://www.wwu.edu/president/blog/posts/24.shtml

It is verbose for one thing, it ends with this, which is the original question here:

And, finally, what about those concerns I heard from folks who reacted to my original comment; those who feared we are going to be keeping out “qualified whites.” Well, whites are being kept out today. By consequences of class and by decades of state policy.

It is as much about class as it is about race. Washington has chosen to support one of the very smallest pipelines to baccalaureate education in the United States (48th out of 50 last I checked). For decades Washington’s policy has been to educate our sons and daughters just well enough to go to work for those who come from out-of-state to take the better paying jobs.

This we must change, for our state’s wealth is best measured by the developed talent of its people. All its people, whatever their race or ethnicity. And, as we reach into those diverse, lower socioeconomic “Title I” schools to raise aspirations and improve preparation to succeed in the modern world, fact is that a majority of the young people whose lives we are touching are white.

First is the compelling research linking academic quality to diversity. Compelling enough to persuade the majority of a mostly conservative Supreme Court in Grutter v. Bollinger and Gratz v. Bollinger that race may be used as a factor in the admissions process. Not to benefit diverse applicants; but to benefit the quality of the education available to all admitted. As a WWU colleague recently put it, “there is no quality higher education experience without diversity.”

Then, of course, there is our obligation to prepare our students to effectively and collaboratively work – on the job, in their communities – in a state and a nation soon to be majority minority. Our classrooms must be test beds, even cauldrons, where those abilities are learned, practiced, celebrated. But that cannot be if the classrooms are unreflective of the world our students will be entering.

I guess that's pretty much it.

I guess in the one instance they can view different backgrounds as a reason for admission into a school - I agree with that, that's why they often ask for essays, extracurriculars and such.

The other is a little tougher: I take it this presumes some x-number of non-whites who will be admitted will test and grade in HS worse than some equal x-number who are excluded, and that that's ok because the breadth of the student body is more important than the depth. Maybe that's a value judgement, maybe that's ok.

For instance if I was a kid who had a C average, but wrote an awesome entrance essay and I showed all kinds of things in my extracurricular life and I got into a prestigious school on that basis, likely knocking out an all A student, I guess I would be ok with that. And I guess I would understand if I was the A student too.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Bigbotton vs. johnjohn. Trying to come up with a proper analogy for this match-up.

David vs Goliath. Except Goliath has the slingshot and David has no arms.

what are the races of the david and goliath ?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Really can't believe you guys engage this obvious troll and one trick pony.

Always a question: don't encourage the stupidity or confront the ignorance.

Not sure there's always a right answer.

 

[johnjohn]

you can find example after example of racism toward white people that is ACCEPTED. I challenge anyone to find obvious racism like this towards any race other than white people that would be accepted like this is.

still waiting for a challenger to step up and succeed

 

[squistion]

you can find example after example of racism toward white people that is ACCEPTED. I challenge anyone to find obvious racism like this towards any race other than white people that would be accepted like this is.

still waiting for a challenger to step up and succeed

 

[drummer]

johnjohn ain't representing his white race well

 

[johnjohn]

"I believe in human beings, and that all human beings should be respected as such, regardless of their color" -Malcolm X

 

[squistion]

"I believe in human beings, and that all human beings should be respected as such, regardless of their color" -Malcolm X

"The common enemy is the white man." - Malcolm X

http://www.malcolm-x.org/quotes.htm

 

[drummer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Whkw5Ay79Bc

Language NSFW

 

[johnjohn]

"I believe in human beings, and that all human beings should be respected as such, regardless of their color" -Malcolm X

"The common enemy is the white man." - Malcolm X

http://www.malcolm-x.org/quotes.htm

if you knew anything about Malcolm X you would know you were really quoting Elijah Muhammad there http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xXB48l-OlE watch this video and learn

 

[squistion]

"I believe in human beings, and that all human beings should be respected as such, regardless of their color" -Malcolm X

"The common enemy is the white man." - Malcolm X

http://www.malcolm-x.org/quotes.htm

if you knew anything about Malcolm X you would know you were really quoting Elijah Muhammad there http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xXB48l-OlE watch this video and learn

"I've never seen a sincere white man, not when it comes to helping black people. Usually things like this are done by white people to benefit themselves. The white man's primary interest is not to elevate the thinking of black people, or to waken black people, or white people either. The white man is interested in the black man only to the extent that the black man is of use to him. The white man's interest is to make money, to exploit." - Malcolm X http://www.malcolm-x.org/quotes.htm

 

[timschochet]

We need some FFA bullies to get in here and mess with johnjohn some more. Joffer, where are you?

 

[drummer]

We need some FFA bullies to get in here and mess with johnjohn some more. Joffer, where are you?

Just call his Dad.

 

[johnjohn]

"I believe in human beings, and that all human beings should be respected as such, regardless of their color" -Malcolm X

"The common enemy is the white man." - Malcolm X

http://www.malcolm-x.org/quotes.htm

if you knew anything about Malcolm X you would know you were really quoting Elijah Muhammad there http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xXB48l-OlE watch this video and learn

"I've never seen a sincere white man, not when it comes to helping black people. Usually things like this are done by white people to benefit themselves. The white man's primary interest is not to elevate the thinking of black people, or to waken black people, or white people either. The white man is interested in the black man only to the extent that the black man is of use to him. The white man's interest is to make money, to exploit." - Malcolm X

I take it you didn't watch the video , here, i will post it again for you www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xXB48l-OlE

 

[johnjohn]

We need some FFA bullies to get in here and mess with johnjohn some more. Joffer, where are you?

tim tim, still waiting for the day you are able to logically counter any points I bring up that you disagree with. All I have seen from you is mockery, and that is a real shame.

 

[drummer]

We need some FFA bullies to get in here and mess with johnjohn some more. Joffer, where are you?

tim tim, still waiting for the day you are able to logically counter any points I bring up that you disagree with. All I have seen from you is mockery, and that is a real shame.

Daddy issues

 

[Chaka]

Really can't believe you guys engage this obvious troll and one trick pony.

Always a question: don't encourage the stupidity or confront the ignorance.

Not sure there's always a right answer.

The point is that JJ doesn't actually care about the topic he cares about riling people up and getting us to post in his threads.