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Is Tim Wright a must add for Gronk owners? (1 Viewer)
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Captain Hook
Footballguy
IMPORTANT NOTE ABOUT THE SHARK POOL Threads that are asking for advice on how you should draft or manage your team belong in The Assistant Coach forum
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Hard to say. Learning a new offense, especially one like New England's is hard for anyone to do, and Wright isn't exactly a proven entity already.
This is a Shark Pool discussion, Mr. Junior Mod.
Workhorse
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Right, but Welker had the whole spring and summer to learn the offense and work with them. Wright will be getting there with their first game in 12 days.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Yeah, this thread most definitely applies to the shark pool.
Wright definitely showed promise last year on TB as a converted WR. My gut tells me that Brady would likely still lean on Vereen, Edelman, Dobson/Thompkins first and foremost. I feel like this could be a Sudfeld type situation even though Wright is the much more athletic of the two. Still, I wouldn't feel safe leaning on Wright if Gronk didn't go.
Mvand56
Footballguy
Concept Coop
Footballguy
How valuable was Mankins? Was his 2013 Pro-Bowl selection legit, or was he clearly a shell of himself? If the Pats are making a solid investment, I think Wright could have value to everyone in the hobby, and not just Gronk owners.
Golden Gopher
Footballguy
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
He was a shell of himself particularly in pass protection. I think a large part of the deal was getting his salary off the books the next couple years.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
like Sudfeld was yes
PFF had him rated pretty high in run blocking (4th best guard in the league last year).
Premier
Footballguy
I see this is the New England talking point.
He was one of the best guards in football last year.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I look at the trade as more of clearing cap room to re-sign their rostered players (mostly Revis) than it is them being wowed by Wright and being so infatuated that they had to get him. Like any other receiving option in NE, Wright could develop into something, he could struggle to learn the playbook, or he could be wildly inconsistent.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
You obviously didn't watch him but ok. You really think the Pats would get rid of one of the best guards in football for a 2nd rate tight end?
what about his pass pro?
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I am adding ASAP and I am not a Gronk owner
massraider
Footballguy
Aaron Hernandez had the Aaron Hernandez role because he was Aaron Hernandez.
Assuming there is some role that can only be filled by a 2nd TE in three passing game is the kind of thinking that leads to people drafting guys like Sudfeld.
Brady will make the high percentage pass to the open guy. With Gronk, Edelman, Amendola, Vereen, and developing young WRs, I don't see how a 2nd TE is worth a roster spot, excluding deep leagues.
I'm not handcuffing a TE.
Assuming there is some role that can only be filled by a 2nd TE in three passing game is the kind of thinking that leads to people drafting guys like Sudfeld.
Brady will make the high percentage pass to the open guy. With Gronk, Edelman, Amendola, Vereen, and developing young WRs, I don't see how a 2nd TE is worth a roster spot, excluding deep leagues.
I'm not handcuffing a TE.
Premier
Footballguy
I don't have to watch it. There are websites that do that for you and then grade every single play. No offense, but I'm going to take their highly trained eye over yours. I also don't think he is worth the contract he is carrying anymore, which played more into the trade than his tape.
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False Start
Footballguy
Who is to say his eyes are not highly trained. Maybe he doesnt have a website or podcast, doesnt mean he doesnt know what he is talking about.
Also, websites can do your taxes for you, doesnt mean you should trust them.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
You aren't going to get a straight answer from most Pats fans because the company line for all newly traded players is that they were no good. We are going to miss Mankins. He's good. He's obviously better at run blocking, but he's a very good G.
bleachercreacher
Footballguy
I'm not sure he'll make much of a difference in redraft. However, he's a great add in dynasty if he isn't rostered, Gronk or not.
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Premier
Footballguy
13 NFL teams subscribe to their service. I can assure you that they know what they are talking about.
jurb26
Footballguy
One site that watches every play and ranks players rated Mankis as good.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/06/05/2014-depth-chart-new-england-patriots/
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/06/05/2014-depth-chart-new-england-patriots/
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I think it further clears the way for Robert Herron as the slot receiver, which is for the most part what Tim Wright is.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Mankins allowed 11 sacks last season, 2nd highest among guards. He was awful in pass protection. Downright awful. Last i checked Pats are a passing team. He gave up 9 of those sacks in the last 9 games of the season. Since my eyes don't matter, i guess i'll use numbers. He looked every bit as awful in pass protection as those numbers indicate. You really think the Pats gave up Mankins cause they really had to have Tim friggin Wright?
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Agreed. "Wright = Hernandez role" is easy/lazy. They didn't have that role last year, it's no sure thing that they're just going to stuff it back into the scheme a week before the season starts.
I know that Wright is mainly a receiving TE, but can anyone comment on if he's competent at blocking at all?
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Reiss is usually a Patriots mouthpiece, even he isn't saying that Mankins was done, just perhaps not work his high cap figures:
jurb26
Footballguy
This seems like a good deal to me. NE won't miss that much by losing Mankis on the oline. He was a good player but no longer great and far from elite. He will step in and upgrade TB immediately because they were awful in that spot.
Wright was a man with no position in the TB offense unfortunately. He's a talented pass catcher though and one the versatile Pats will find a way to use. NE needs weapons in the passing.
Wright was a man with no position in the TB offense unfortunately. He's a talented pass catcher though and one the versatile Pats will find a way to use. NE needs weapons in the passing.
Terpman22
Footballguy
This. Post if the thread. People still looking for the next "Hernandez role" which was specifically carved out by Hernandez himself, bc of his skill set, not bc all of a sudden BB decided to go to 2TE sets arbitrarily. Sure, Wright can catch. What else can he do? That 4th was the main cog in the deal, with Wright being a throw-in since Schiano is advising.
jurb26
Footballguy
Wright isn't going to be Hernandez but that doesn't mean there can't be similarities. Hernandez wasn't a good blocker, at all. He was a bit on an anomaly from a skill standpoint and didn't really fit into the boxes of traditional positions. Therefore, NE created one for him. I don't see Wright as all that different in that aspect. Wright doesn't really fit the mold of a traditional TE and could never make the transition to WR. He's kind of in between positions like Hernandez was. That doesn't mean he will be as good or used the same way. I do think that if he is good ENOUGH that NE will create a role for him like they did Hernandez and other players. The NFL is about finding mismatches and creating matchups that are favorable for you. NE seems to do this as well or better than most teams. If they can do it with Wright, like they did with Hernandez and others, they will.
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BespokeJort
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PatsWillWin
Footballguy
I'm not going to pretend to have watched any of Wright last year, but I've been looking at his season, and it's pretty impressive.
Rookie Season ComparisonL
Wright: 54 rec, 571 yards (10.57 ypc), 5 TD
Hernandez: 45 rec, 563 yards (12.51 ypc), 6 TD
Going by whatever scoring system the Historical Draft Data uses, Wright's rookie season was the 7th highest scoring season by a rookie tight end since 2000. Ten points separated his rookie campaign and Hernandez's.
Rookie Season ComparisonL
Wright: 54 rec, 571 yards (10.57 ypc), 5 TD
Hernandez: 45 rec, 563 yards (12.51 ypc), 6 TD
Going by whatever scoring system the Historical Draft Data uses, Wright's rookie season was the 7th highest scoring season by a rookie tight end since 2000. Ten points separated his rookie campaign and Hernandez's.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Except he's more WR than TE. And then suddenly his numbers look a lot more ordinary. IIRC, he was a WR in college, is 220 lbs, and is essentially another slot receiver.
But he plays TE? I am not really concerned how he's built. I would compare him to TEs because that's what he is in my fantasy lineup.
elguapo07
Footballguy
Yet he's listed as a TE. I Think he could be a high end TE2, with upside, in standard 12 team leagues.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Drafted him in the final round of my draft tonight... Tons of upside here.
BTW, anyone making a Sudfeld comparison doesn't understand football.
BTW, anyone making a Sudfeld comparison doesn't understand football.
massraider
Footballguy
I think the Sudfeld comparison is a lazy one, but there are elements in the cautionary tale of Sudfeld that apply.
The big element, to me, anyway is the idea that the 2nd TE is an important part of the Pats offense. I think Belichick likes guys that get open, and Brady likes guys he trusts. I think they have proven that they will adjust their offense to whatever they have. I don't think the Pats have a history of force-feeding two tight ends, I think they have a history of using two stud tight ends when they have them. Before Gronk and Hernandez showed up , they had a bunch of highly-drafted tight ends that did little fantasy-wise.
A tight end with upside, to me, is a guy that has a clear path to being a top 3, or hopefully top 2, option in the passing game. Ladarius Green. Greg Olsen. Travis Kelce. Jace Amaro even.
The Pats have a whole lot of guys that look like target monsters to me. Gronk, Edeleman, Amendola, Vereen. One could see all these guys getting lots and lots of targets. And every single one of these guys are competing for the same mid range targets. There's no deep threats there.
If Gronk isn't right, and Amendola pulls the usual muscle, does Wright get a lot more interesting? Sure. But what if Gronk and Amendola come back? Tough to imagine Wright being useful then.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I agree with this, but I think they see something in the kid, and IF the stars align, he could have great late round value.
Zaphod
Two heads are better than one
I really think this is the most important point. People throw out the name Hernandez and then the downers latch on to the name and try to tear down the point based almost solely on that aspect.
Wright can present some mismatches from the TE position and I think BB and TB will find a way to get him the ball and do some damage. If Wright cannot learn the playbook or continue to create those mismatches with consistency, then they will move on to someone that can.
I don't think the deal was done because the Patriots HAD to have Wright, but I also don't believe it was strictly a cap related move and they said, just give us whoever is on the end of the bench. They have done their homework and have seen enough to think that he can create some headaches for opposing defenses. If he can perform in the role they envision for him, he will have relevance. However, being this close to the start of the season, I think it would be a long shot to expect too much too soon.
