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It's time for the Old Guard of the Democratic Party to go away: Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden (1 Viewer)

A few things here: There won't be a young candidate leading the DNC anytime soon. That's because the DNC in it's current, broken state is a pro-corporate/pro-lobby party, despite what they want to say publicly. Most young politicians enter politics wide eyed and inspired to change the broken system. They are mostly what we would call "honest" politicians. This is before the corruption gets to them.

The DNC has no use or desire for these individuals at current time. Why this is IDK. It's a chicken or egg thing. Is the DNC dirty because the people leading it are all old and corrupted, or are the people running the DNC corrupt because that's just politics today and the way these organizations run in modern times? Idk, but either answer results in the same conclusion. Young, "honest" politicians are not going to be embraced by either major party because the current system is rigged against them.

 
Matthias said:
SinbadTheSailor said:
I could pull a zillion examples of rednecks making fun of democrats, of democrats making fun of democrats, of rednecks making fun of rednecks, of republicans making fun of rednecks.
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What influences people is what they see it their own Twitter feeds, what their friends share on Facebook, what they see in the media they consume. Not what they see on some Yahoo news comments. Who, making fun of rednecks, wouldn't be the rank and file of the party. And what really influences them is what their political & media leaders set as the talking point. Once it's established, it's repeated forever.

Your entire premise is wrong.
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Not sure I have a premise other than, since time immemorial, everyone has made fun of everyone.

I had in mind things like Jeff Foxworthy, friends, relatives, etc.

 
Just to be clear- my call in this thread is not for a change of policy to progressivism- I actually believe, as I always have that moderate centrism is the way for the Democratic Party to ultimately achieve success (I believe this for both parties.) 

My call here is an end to the existing personalities. The Democratic leadership needs new blood. And specifically, I don’t understand why they’re letting the Republicans use the scare tactic of “a vote for a Democrat is a vote for Speaker Pelosi”. Whatever you think of this tactic (and personally I think it’s disgusting) it works. Republicans and many independents really don’t like her. They didn’t like Hillary either. A lot of this is probably sexism. But the fact is it’s real. 

So take this weapon away from them. Make the Republicans run on their program and on their support of Trump. Not on fear of Pelosi. 

 
What do you all think of Sen. Amy Kloubacher of Minnesota? No baggage, very personable.Kind of a straight shooter. In this wiki link she is referred to as a "rising star" in the Democratic party. While I have never voted Democratic in any of quite a few Presidential elections I could be wooed into voting for her "if" Trump is the GOP option.

 
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lazyike said:
What do you all think of Sen. Amy Kloubacher of Minnesota? No baggage, very personable.Kind of a straight shooter. In this wiki link she is referred to as a "rising star" in the Democratic party. While I have never voted Democratic in any of quite a few Presidential elections I could be wooed into voting for her "if" Trump is the GOP option.
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I like her quite a bit.

 However, this is about the Democratic leadership of the Senate and House, not the next candidate for President. 

As far as Presidential candidates go, the experience of Hillary, combined with the irrational hatred of Pelosi, has depressed me. I wonder if as a nation we’re past our sexism enough to elect a woman as President. Liberals are, but is the rest of the country? I don’t know. 

 
timschochet said:
Just to be clear- my call in this thread is not for a change of policy to progressivism- I actually believe, as I always have that moderate centrism is the way for the Democratic Party to ultimately achieve success (I believe this for both parties.) 

My call here is an end to the existing personalities. The Democratic leadership needs new blood. And specifically, I don’t understand why they’re letting the Republicans use the scare tactic of “a vote for a Democrat is a vote for Speaker Pelosi”. Whatever you think of this tactic (and personally I think it’s disgusting) it works. Republicans and many independents really don’t like her. They didn’t like Hillary either. A lot of this is probably sexism. But the fact is it’s real. 

So take this weapon away from them. Make the Republicans run on their program and on their support of Trump. Not on fear of Pelosi. 
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You’re being naive if you think Nancy Pelosi resigning from leadership will stop Republicans from running on irrational fear of Democratic politicians.  

 
ShamrockPride said:
A few things here: There won't be a young candidate leading the DNC anytime soon. That's because the DNC in it's current, broken state is a pro-corporate/pro-lobby party, despite what they want to say publicly. Most young politicians enter politics wide eyed and inspired to change the broken system. They are mostly what we would call "honest" politicians. This is before the corruption gets to them.

The DNC has no use or desire for these individuals at current time. Why this is IDK. It's a chicken or egg thing. Is the DNC dirty because the people leading it are all old and corrupted, or are the people running the DNC corrupt because that's just politics today and the way these organizations run in modern times? Idk, but either answer results in the same conclusion. Young, "honest" politicians are not going to be embraced by either major party because the current system is rigged against them.
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Who are the corrupt people running the DNC?  Specifically.  

 
Also, young Democrats calling for Pelosi to step aside so progressives can lead is rich.  If it’s true that the party would be better off shifting dramatically left, those folks should be embracing Pelosi.  

 
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sho nuff said:
Terrible for sure.  No excuse for that.
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Yet those who are condemning him had absolutely no problem with Trump mocking the disabled reporter and even defended that at the time.

I see a difference between not being PC and using a now offensive term and a mean spirited mocking someone for their disability. 

 
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squistion said:
Yet those who are condemning him had absolutely no problem with Trump mocking the disabled reporter and even defended that at the time.

I see a difference between not being PC and using a now offensive term and a mean spirited mocking someone for their disability. 
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You know this has been debunked right?

 
squistion said:
Yet those who are condemning him had absolutely no problem with Trump mocking the disabled reporter and even defended that at the time.

I see a difference between not being PC and using a now offensive term and a mean spirited mocking someone for their disability. 
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Schumer does something bad

PSF:  "But Trump."

Let's start calling out individuals based on their own merits and not the low bar Trump set for us, ok?  Cuz it seems like when Trump did it, you were really quick to share a Tweet condemning it with a nodding emoji.  Now, you're really quick to defend bad behavior by Democrats by "Well Trump did the same thing."

So the behavior is ok with you--it's just who is doing it.

 
Max Power said:
You know this has been debunked right?
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It was never debunked (check the photo of the disabled reporter for context) and the video is still there on line for anyone to see this shameless ridicule.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNXgjnBpxGI

And seriously, it is consistent with the mean-spirited persona that we saw from him occasionally, such as the demeaning name calling (like Little Marco) or attacking the looks of Carly Fiorina or Cruz's wife. And dismissing an accuser of a sexual assault inferring she was too ugly for him to ever have hit on, etc.

 
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Schumer does something bad

PSF:  "But Trump."

Let's start calling out individuals based on their own merits and not the low bar Trump set for us, ok?  Cuz it seems like when Trump did it, you were really quick to share a Tweet condemning it with a nodding emoji.  Now, you're really quick to defend bad behavior by Democrats by "Well Trump did the same thing."

So the behavior is ok with you--it's just who is doing it.
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Way down with this.  Now if we can just tackle the yeah but “BLM/Antifa” response for any pointing out of GOP flaws and 60% of the PSF posts will be cleaned up. 

 
I think the single biggest problem in United States politics is the lack of term limits.  Everything all of our politicians do is aimed at pleasing voters to keep themselves elected.  Mitch and McCarty fight the Dems and puts on a spectacle to keep power.  Nancy and Schumer and Schiff and whoever else you wanna name do the same.  Most of what is said isn't about policy--it's about convincing voters the other side is bad and "Hey vote for us in the next election."

If we took away said motivation--does the dog and pony show go away?  No.  But I bet it's a lot better than it is in 2021.

 
jm192 said:
I think the single biggest problem in United States politics is the lack of term limits.  Everything all of our politicians do is aimed at pleasing voters to keep themselves elected.  Mitch and McCarty fight the Dems and puts on a spectacle to keep power.  Nancy and Schumer and Schiff and whoever else you wanna name do the same.  Most of what is said isn't about policy--it's about convincing voters the other side is bad and "Hey vote for us in the next election."

If we took away said motivation--does the dog and pony show go away?  No.  But I bet it's a lot better than it is in 2021.
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Could not agree more. Absolutely the truth right here.  

After that if the overwhelming amount of lobbying money could be addressed we might actually have something here.  

 
jm192 said:
Nah.  Nancy needs to go.   Biden previously needed to go.  The country just morphed to a place where he was a really good person to land the plane.  
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I will give Biden the benefit on the virus.. His vaccine rollout was good, but that is all he has done and that is all he will do. The guy numbers are just based on Covid, but with numbers going down, his will too.

 
jm192 said:
Schumer does something bad

PSF:  "But Trump."

Let's start calling out individuals based on their own merits and not the low bar Trump set for us, ok?  Cuz it seems like when Trump did it, you were really quick to share a Tweet condemning it with a nodding emoji.  Now, you're really quick to defend bad behavior by Democrats by "Well Trump did the same thing."

So the behavior is ok with you--it's just who is doing it.
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They. Don’t. Care.  They have only one care and one concern - how does it affect my side?  That’s why they are so hypocritical.  If Liberals didn’t have double standards they wouldn’t have any standards at all.

 
ekbeats said:
They. Don’t. Care.  They have only one care and one concern - how does it affect my side?  That’s why they are so hypocritical.  If Liberals didn’t have double standards they wouldn’t have any standards at all.
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I hate the 'but Trump' argument, and I have to admit I have done it myself.  It will take a while to shed this habit.  We are coming off of a weird 4 years where you had one of the most lying, narcissistic, depraved individuals as the POTUS, and we have to teach ourselves that it's not a good idea to use his poor behavior to defend other behavior.  It would be better if we could just ignore his term and we could just judge behavior on its own merit, or if you need to compare then use all the leaders before Trump.

 
ekbeats said:
They. Don’t. Care.  They have only one care and one concern - how does it affect my side?  That’s why they are so hypocritical.  If Liberals didn’t have double standards they wouldn’t have any standards at all.
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C'mon now.  Schumer told a story that involved mentally challenged children and he referred to them as ######.  He was not using it in a disparaging way.  That word was socially acceptable until PC culture started running wild.  Comparisons to Trump's misbehavior can be lame, but the biggest hypocrisy I see in this story is that Republicans are seizing upon it and trying to paint Schumer in a negative light.  He made a mistake and used a now political incorrect word in a non offensive way. Big deal.

 
squistion said:
It was never debunked (check the photo of the disabled reporter for context) and the video is still there on line for anyone to see this shameless ridicule.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNXgjnBpxGI

And seriously, it is consistent with the mean-spirited persona that we saw from him occasionally, such as the demeaning name calling (like Little Marco) or attacking the looks of Carly Fiorina or Cruz's wife. And dismissing an accuser of a sexual assault inferring she was too ugly for him to ever have hit on, etc.
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Trump sure did make me laugh sometimes. The last defense you would think a President would play but, of course, I expected exactly that defense from him.  The reporter was at least better looking than him and I certainly believe her account.

 
Caveman33 said:
Trump sure did make me laugh sometimes. The last defense you would think a President would play but, of course, I expected exactly that defense from him.  The reporter was at least better looking than him and I certainly believe her account.
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Good Lord.

 
Caveman33 said:
C'mon now.  Schumer told a story that involved mentally challenged children and he referred to them as ######.  He was not using it in a disparaging way.  That word was socially acceptable until PC culture started running wild.  Comparisons to Trump's misbehavior can be lame, but the biggest hypocrisy I see in this story is that Republicans are seizing upon it and trying to paint Schumer in a negative light.  He made a mistake and used a now political incorrect word in a non offensive way. Big deal.
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Lol.  Dems good.  Republicans bad.

Dems say bad word, big deal.

Republicans say bad word:  they hate everyone.

 
squistion said:
Yet those who are condemning him had absolutely no problem with Trump mocking the disabled reporter and even defended that at the time.

I see a difference between not being PC and using a now offensive term and a mean spirited mocking someone for their disability. 
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Nice deflection and whataboutism but since you went there Link to those you claim had no issue with Trump?

 
ekbeats said:
They. Don’t. Care.  They have only one care and one concern - how does it affect my side?  That’s why they are so hypocritical.  If Liberals didn’t have double standards they wouldn’t have any standards at all.
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Might as well. The Democrats need to quit jumping over the bar the Republicans have been running under.

 
Max Power said:
His acting "flustered" motions are consistent with multiple other times he portrayed someone. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1329717/Video-aims-disprove-claim-Trump-fun-disabled-reporter.html
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If Trump didn't have a habit of making fun of people for being ugly, or short, or fat, or old, or eveything else, he would perhaps get the benefit of the doubt. But everything we know about him, do we really think the line he wouldn't cross is someone's handicap?

 
jm192 said:
Lol.  Dems good.  Republicans bad.

Dems say bad word, big deal.

Republicans say bad word:  they hate everyone.
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There's some truth to this, but the standard applied to Democrats is the correct standard. 

The only thing Schumer did wrong in this case is using a word that fell out of favor ten minutes ago but was perfectly fine for 95% of his adult life.  There was no malicious intent there.  That's not a big deal and not even newsworthy.  

In principle, we should be happy when people like Chuck Schumer and Hunter Biden break some of these stupid language rules without consequence -- that sort of thing needs to happen if we're going to move past some of the linguistic puritanism that doesn't actually help anybody but does succeed in making it harder to talk to one another.

 
Mile High said:
Might as well. The Democrats need to quit jumping over the bar the Republicans have been running under.
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Well, sure.  But pick something and stick to it. 

The last 5 plus years, the Dems claim to be the party that takes the moral high ground.  And then they always come back with "We're not going to jump over the bar while you run under it."  That's fine.  But then you're just as bad as Republicans.  So stop saying how bad and immoral they are.  If you're going to waller in the mud, stop telling me how great and morally superior you are.

If you're great and morally superior--that's fine too.  Just hold yourself to that standard and continue to jump over the bar.

Dems live in fantasy land where they can have it cut both ways.

 
jm192 said:
Well, sure.  But pick something and stick to it. 

The last 5 plus years, the Dems claim to be the party that takes the moral high ground.  And then they always come back with "We're not going to jump over the bar while you run under it."  That's fine.  But then you're just as bad as Republicans.  So stop saying how bad and immoral they are.  If you're going to waller in the mud, stop telling me how great and morally superior you are.

If you're great and morally superior--that's fine too.  Just hold yourself to that standard and continue to jump over the bar.

Dems live in fantasy land where they can have it cut both ways.
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I'm fine with the Democrats getting in the mud with Republicans.  Should have happened years ago.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
There's some truth to this, but the standard applied to Democrats is the correct standard. 

The only thing Schumer did wrong in this case is using a word that fell out of favor ten minutes ago but was perfectly fine for 95% of his adult life.  There was no malicious intent there.  That's not a big deal and not even newsworthy.  

In principle, we should be happy when people like Chuck Schumer and Hunter Biden break some of these stupid language rules without consequence -- that sort of thing needs to happen if we're going to move past some of the linguistic puritanism that doesn't actually help anybody but does succeed in making it harder to talk to one another.
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Ten minutes ago?  That word fell out of favor at least 20 years ago, and was officially part of a Special Olympics campaign to end its use in 2004.  Everyone in the freaking country knows it's one of those words you just don't say, and of all people a Democrat politician from New York says it?  I could understand giving him a pass for some of the other PC junk that's out there (new pronouns for instance) but the r-word?  Hell no.  I'm sure he didn't do it out of maliciousness but it's still newsworthy and he still should be called out for it.  If nothing else it's newsworthy in that his not knowing that this word shouldn't be used suggests he is grossly out of touch.

 
I'll raise your to-go-away-nancy-pelosi-chuck-schumer-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-joe-biden/ and raise trump-romney-mcconnell-

 
ekbeats said:
Ten minutes ago?  That word fell out of favor at least 20 years ago, and was officially part of a Special Olympics campaign to end its use in 2004.  Everyone in the freaking country knows it's one of those words you just don't say, and of all people a Democrat politician from New York says it?  I could understand giving him a pass for some of the other PC junk that's out there (new pronouns for instance) but the r-word?  Hell no.  I'm sure he didn't do it out of maliciousness but it's still newsworthy and he still should be called out for it.  If nothing else it's newsworthy in that his not knowing that this word shouldn't be used suggests he is grossly out of touch.
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We agreed a while ago not to use the word "######" as an insult.  It's only been more recently that we decided to stop using it to refer to the mentally disabled.  But again, so what?  He wasn't using the term as insult anyway.  A good analogy would be that of an old person talking about the importance of reducing discrimination against Negroes.  No big deal.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
We agreed a while ago not to use the word "######" as an insult.  It's only been more recently that we decided to stop using it to refer to the mentally disabled.  But again, so what?  He wasn't using the term as insult anyway.  A good analogy would be that of an old person talking about the importance of reducing discrimination against Negroes.  No big deal.
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My recollection is that the word became politically incorrect in the 90's.  It was a joke in Something About Mary and that movie was made in 1998.  In 2004 the Special Olympics changed its terminology from mental retardation to intellectual disabilities, and as for Schumer specifically - He signed Rosa's Law in 2010 doing away with the r-word.  I'm not going to hang the guy for it, but I am going to criticize him.  Good to see he apologized for it.

 
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