J. Charles (1 Viewer)

[ponchsox]

and Jones is almost running at 7ypc ... allso who would really expect JC to get the goal line looks? You guys seriously need to move on, they are winning so things aren't changing anytime soon. You might think it is "dumb" but it is working.

Charles has 1 catch for 25 yards and 1 rush for 11 yards. It's pretty obvious who is the elite talent. Unfortunately, he is being wasted. Could you imagine Charles on a team like the Patriots?

 

[Glaven]

and Jones is almost running at 7ypc ... allso who would really expect JC to get the goal line looks? You guys seriously need to move on, they are winning so things aren't changing anytime soon. You might think it is "dumb" but it is working.

The Cheifs have lost 2 in a row and rank 25th in running yards per game over the 2 game stretch.

 

[theglorydays]

and Jones is almost running at 7ypc ... allso who would really expect JC to get the goal line looks? You guys seriously need to move on, they are winning so things aren't changing anytime soon. You might think it is "dumb" but it is working.

He is averaging 4.1 ypc on the season.

 

[basher]

and Jones is almost running at 7ypc ... allso who would really expect JC to get the goal line looks? You guys seriously need to move on, they are winning so things aren't changing anytime soon. You might think it is "dumb" but it is working.

He is averaging 4.1 ypc on the season.

yes but the way people talk around here, he is running at 2ypc. In this instance I was referring to today where Jones is running just fine. Haley has made it very apparent that Charles is the 3rd down back, the back that gets the looks when they are losing, and the change of pace guy. If they are winning they use Jones to grind out victories. Also, yes Charles was good last season at the end of the year but hurt his shoulder and needed surgery after only 5 games worth of carries. Maybe the team doesn't feel he can, or is ready for, the grind of 20+ carries/touches for 16 weeks. He is the better big play back for sure but that doesn't mean he is going to run gangbusters if he gets 20 carries. I own Charles in plenty of leagues and the situation is what it is. He will get 15 touches a game unless they are down which will increase his workload. They lost their last game and Charles got the most touches he has had all year. Also, Haley has a mediocre team overachieving ... they are going to keep with what is working and it isn't nearly as stupid as you guys are making it out to be.

 

[Bayhawks]

yes but the way people talk around here, he is running at 2ypc. In this instance I was referring to today where Jones is running just fine. Haley has made it very apparent that Charles is the 3rd down back, the back that gets the looks when they are losing, and the change of pace guy. If they are winning they use Jones to grind out victories. Also, yes Charles was good last season at the end of the year but hurt his shoulder and needed surgery after only 5 games worth of carries. Maybe the team doesn't feel he can, or is ready for, the grind of 20+ carries/touches for 16 weeks. He is the better big play back for sure but that doesn't mean he is going to run gangbusters if he gets 20 carries. I own Charles in plenty of leagues and the situation is what it is. He will get 15 touches a game unless they are down which will increase his workload. They lost their last game and Charles got the most touches he has had all year. Also, Haley has a mediocre team overachieving ... they are going to keep with what is working and it isn't nearly as stupid as you guys are making it out to be.

While everything you said may be true, Haley is most definitely making a mistake by not getting Charles a carry in the entire 1st quarter. Even if Charles is just the "3rd-down back" (something that has not been made apparent by Haley, but since you said it, I'll roll with it), getting the 3rd and 4th string RBs carries ahead of him is just dumb.

 

[theglorydays]

and Jones is almost running at 7ypc ... allso who would really expect JC to get the goal line looks? You guys seriously need to move on, they are winning so things aren't changing anytime soon. You might think it is "dumb" but it is working.

He is averaging 4.1 ypc on the season.

yes but the way people talk around here, he is running at 2ypc. In this instance I was referring to today where Jones is running just fine. Haley has made it very apparent that Charles is the 3rd down back, the back that gets the looks when they are losing, and the change of pace guy. If they are winning they use Jones to grind out victories. Also, yes Charles was good last season at the end of the year but hurt his shoulder and needed surgery after only 5 games worth of carries. Maybe the team doesn't feel he can, or is ready for, the grind of 20+ carries/touches for 16 weeks. He is the better big play back for sure but that doesn't mean he is going to run gangbusters if he gets 20 carries. I own Charles in plenty of leagues and the situation is what it is. He will get 15 touches a game unless they are down which will increase his workload. They lost their last game and Charles got the most touches he has had all year. Also, Haley has a mediocre team overachieving ... they are going to keep with what is working and it isn't nearly as stupid as you guys are making it out to be.

Games with 20 carries or more...22 17720 14325 15424 10225 259Everytime in his career that his has had 20 or more carries, he has had 100+ rushing yards.

 

[Otis]

Jesus. Robbed again. Charles with a 39 yard run to the 3, TD Thomas Jones.

 

[basher]

and Jones is almost running at 7ypc ... allso who would really expect JC to get the goal line looks? You guys seriously need to move on, they are winning so things aren't changing anytime soon. You might think it is "dumb" but it is working.

He is averaging 4.1 ypc on the season.

yes but the way people talk around here, he is running at 2ypc. In this instance I was referring to today where Jones is running just fine. Haley has made it very apparent that Charles is the 3rd down back, the back that gets the looks when they are losing, and the change of pace guy. If they are winning they use Jones to grind out victories. Also, yes Charles was good last season at the end of the year but hurt his shoulder and needed surgery after only 5 games worth of carries. Maybe the team doesn't feel he can, or is ready for, the grind of 20+ carries/touches for 16 weeks. He is the better big play back for sure but that doesn't mean he is going to run gangbusters if he gets 20 carries. I own Charles in plenty of leagues and the situation is what it is. He will get 15 touches a game unless they are down which will increase his workload. They lost their last game and Charles got the most touches he has had all year. Also, Haley has a mediocre team overachieving ... they are going to keep with what is working and it isn't nearly as stupid as you guys are making it out to be.

Games with 20 carries or more...22 17720 14325 15424 10225 259Everytime in his career that his has had 20 or more carries, he has had 100+ rushing yards.

and not a single one of those defenses were any good accept the Cinci d last season but they had already packed it in. I am not saying charles isn't talented and shouldn't get more carries but Jones ins't nearly as bad as people make him out to be, they clearly want to put the wear/grind of the NFL on Jones who has doesn't have a lot of career left, and it isn't like Charles is getting 0 carries (although he does deserve more touches in the first half.) The biggest problem here is that they are having success splitting the carries 55/45 Jones/Charles and the team is for the most part winning. What is good for fantasy football isn't always good for real football.

 

[Das Boot]

Jesus. Robbed again. Charles with a 39 yard run to the 3, TD Thomas Jones.

The Hawks knew it would be like this.

 

[eaglezzz]

12 for 88 yds Rushing 7.3 Avg

4 for 38 yds Rec 9.5 Avg

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Now he has an 6.1 Rushing Average and a 11.9 Receiving Average. Amazing stats. I think Haley is just trying to get him to break some kind of Rushing Average record and not give him the carries.

 

[cvnpoka]

ya but no explosive games that will win your week amirite

Well, I think there's two different topics. Charles' fantasy value, and his talent. He might not give you the monster game, and it's frustrating, because you know he can, but that doesn't speak to his talent.From a football standpoint, I love Charles. And really, I am amazed more people aren't hip to his talent. I think there's two big reasons:1. Lot of people don't watch a lot of KC. You can't see every player on every team all the time. KC, even in a division battle, isn't a sexy team.2. Charles wasn't a Draft Day darling. I really think this is more of the reason. He wasn't on any sleeper lists, there was a host of negative everyone knew, and he was a track guy, which is easy to dismiss a guy with. It's easy to just take pre-draft scouting reports at face value. I mean, who really watches rookie backs on teams they don't see much to see if all the things they heard are true?But you watch him play, and he's the real deal. Instincts, he was definitely not given credit for this coming out of college. He makes tight, quick, decisive cuts. Really good in tight space, he's an underrated inside runner. And home run speed that few have.

Very

my post was a joke. ppl on this board ##### if a guy isnt consistent, and ##### if a guy doesnt have huge games. charles is now 9th overall pts and 10th in ppg and hes been remarkably consistent. i guess it could be better but i have no regret for drafting this guy.

 

[Bojang0301]

ya but no explosive games that will win your week amirite

Well, I think there's two different topics. Charles' fantasy value, and his talent. He might not give you the monster game, and it's frustrating, because you know he can, but that doesn't speak to his talent.From a football standpoint, I love Charles. And really, I am amazed more people aren't hip to his talent. I think there's two big reasons:1. Lot of people don't watch a lot of KC. You can't see every player on every team all the time. KC, even in a division battle, isn't a sexy team.2. Charles wasn't a Draft Day darling. I really think this is more of the reason. He wasn't on any sleeper lists, there was a host of negative everyone knew, and he was a track guy, which is easy to dismiss a guy with. It's easy to just take pre-draft scouting reports at face value. I mean, who really watches rookie backs on teams they don't see much to see if all the things they heard are true?But you watch him play, and he's the real deal. Instincts, he was definitely not given credit for this coming out of college. He makes tight, quick, decisive cuts. Really good in tight space, he's an underrated inside runner. And home run speed that few have.

Very

my post was a joke. ppl on this board ##### if a guy isnt consistent, and ##### if a guy doesnt have huge games. charles is now 9th overall pts and 10th in ppg and hes been remarkably consistent. i guess it could be better but i have no regret for drafting this guy.

 

[theglorydays]

This might sound crazy, but he may be the best running back in the nfl right now.

Last year he became the first running back in nfl history to rush for 1100+ yards on less then 200 carries.

He is on pace to beat last years totals and rush for 1357 rushing yards with 570 receiving yards.

He has the highest ypc in nfl history amongst running backs.

 

[aimlessgun]

I can only hope the AFC west stays close and Haley has been keeping Charles in 'reserve' to this point haha. I can easily imagine a scenario where the Chiefs make the playoffs and go to a 70-30 Charles-Jones split or something.

Not that I can complain too much: his production is disappointing in comparison to his potential but his point totals have been alright: sort of in the Larry Fitzgerald zone (but better) where he isn't blowing you away but it is consistent solid production, and you could have made much, much worse picks in the area he was drafted.

 

[Resident A]

His yardage is great, but it sure would be nice if he scored once in a while. Charles had two 20+ yard plays where he was tackled inside the 1-yard line. Guess what happened next?

 

[theglorydays]

161 carries 1021 yards 6.3 ypc. He is second in the nfl in rushing with only 161 carries which is incredible.

 

[Gopher State]

161 carries 1021 yards 6.3 ypc. He is second in the nfl in rushing with only 161 carries which is incredible.

He's the 11th RB in my big money league, TD's would help. The owner that took him in the second round of our redraft will be 3-9 after tonight, most people reached for him.

 

[doowain]

161 carries 1021 yards 6.3 ypc. He is second in the nfl in rushing with only 161 carries which is incredible.

He's the 11th RB in my big money league, TD's would help. The owner that took him in the second round of our redraft will be 3-9 after tonight, most people reached for him.

Depends on what part of the 2nd round. If it's late 2nd, getting the RB11 there is roughly equal ROI. Even at early 2nd, that wouldn't be enough to be the sole reason a team is 3-9. Meaning....he must've screwed up bigtime elsewhere.ETA: You were either high on him coming into the season, in which you expected at least these numbers....or he wasn't on your radar, which means he's outperformed your expectations. Either way, I find it hard to believe he's been a disappointment for anyone.

 

[Gopher State]

161 carries 1021 yards 6.3 ypc. He is second in the nfl in rushing with only 161 carries which is incredible.

He's the 11th RB in my big money league, TD's would help. The owner that took him in the second round of our redraft will be 3-9 after tonight, most people reached for him.

Depends on what part of the 2nd round. If it's late 2nd, getting the RB11 there is roughly equal ROI. Even at early 2nd, that wouldn't be enough to be the sole reason a team is 3-9. Meaning....he must've screwed up bigtime elsewhere.

Charles was the screw up

 

[theglorydays]

161 carries 1021 yards 6.3 ypc. He is second in the nfl in rushing with only 161 carries which is incredible.

He's the 11th RB in my big money league, TD's would help. The owner that took him in the second round of our redraft will be 3-9 after tonight, most people reached for him.

After today, he is now rb 7 in standard scoring leagues. I don't see how that is a reach. His adp was late second/early 3rd round.

 

[The Jacket]

161 carries 1021 yards 6.3 ypc. He is second in the nfl in rushing with only 161 carries which is incredible.

He's the 11th RB in my big money league, TD's would help. The owner that took him in the second round of our redraft will be 3-9 after tonight, most people reached for him.

Depends on what part of the 2nd round. If it's late 2nd, getting the RB11 there is roughly equal ROI. Even at early 2nd, that wouldn't be enough to be the sole reason a team is 3-9. Meaning....he must've screwed up bigtime elsewhere.

Charles was the screw up

:(

 

[shadyridr]

161 carries 1021 yards 6.3 ypc. He is second in the nfl in rushing with only 161 carries which is incredible.

He's the 11th RB in my big money league, TD's would help. The owner that took him in the second round of our redraft will be 3-9 after tonight, most people reached for him.

Depends on what part of the 2nd round. If it's late 2nd, getting the RB11 there is roughly equal ROI. Even at early 2nd, that wouldn't be enough to be the sole reason a team is 3-9. Meaning....he must've screwed up bigtime elsewhere.

Charles was the screw up

Getting an RB1 in the 2nd rd isnt a screwup

 

[cvnpoka]

161 carries 1021 yards 6.3 ypc. He is second in the nfl in rushing with only 161 carries which is incredible.

He's the 11th RB in my big money league, TD's would help. The owner that took him in the second round of our redraft will be 3-9 after tonight, most people reached for him.

Depends on what part of the 2nd round. If it's late 2nd, getting the RB11 there is roughly equal ROI. Even at early 2nd, that wouldn't be enough to be the sole reason a team is 3-9. Meaning....he must've screwed up bigtime elsewhere.

Charles was the screw up

show your work

 

[doowain]

161 carries 1021 yards 6.3 ypc. He is second in the nfl in rushing with only 161 carries which is incredible.

He's the 11th RB in my big money league, TD's would help. The owner that took him in the second round of our redraft will be 3-9 after tonight, most people reached for him.

Depends on what part of the 2nd round. If it's late 2nd, getting the RB11 there is roughly equal ROI. Even at early 2nd, that wouldn't be enough to be the sole reason a team is 3-9. Meaning....he must've screwed up bigtime elsewhere.

Charles was the screw up

If you are getting RB11 (RB7 after today) production with your 2nd round pick....which is most likely your RB1 or even RB2.......that is not a screwup.

 

[Eviloutsider]

161 carries 1021 yards 6.3 ypc. He is second in the nfl in rushing with only 161 carries which is incredible.

He's the 11th RB in my big money league, TD's would help. The owner that took him in the second round of our redraft will be 3-9 after tonight, most people reached for him.

Depends on what part of the 2nd round. If it's late 2nd, getting the RB11 there is roughly equal ROI. Even at early 2nd, that wouldn't be enough to be the sole reason a team is 3-9. Meaning....he must've screwed up bigtime elsewhere.

Charles was the screw up

If you are getting RB11 (RB7 after today) production with your 2nd round pick....which is most likely your RB1 or even RB2.......that is not a screwup.

Plus, he was taken in the third in most of my leagues.

 

[cvnpoka]

plus hes been absurdly consistent so you cant play that card

 

[Hurl Bruce]

I think Charles was my 6th rd pick in an 8 team league. I'll take his production there.

 

[ThePittbully]

Took him at the end of the first in a 16 team dynasty league, and top of the third in a 10 team. Extremely happy with both picks

 

[zamboni]

161 carries 1021 yards 6.3 ypc. He is second in the nfl in rushing with only 161 carries which is incredible.

And on pace for 2000 rushing and receiving yards. Not bad for a back-up RB.

 

[Raider Nation]

230 carries for 1467 yards. Just about 6.4 YPC. Amazing.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

230 carries for 1467 yards. Just about 6.4 YPC. Amazing.

He fell 1 yard short of breaking Jim Brown's record for highest YPC in NFL history.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

230 carries for 1467 yards. Just about 6.4 YPC. Amazing.

He fell 1 yard short of breaking Jim Brown's record for highest YPC in NFL history.

See? Totally overrated.

 

[Raider Nation]

230 carries for 1467 yards. Just about 6.4 YPC. Amazing.

He fell 1 yard short of breaking Jim Brown's record for highest YPC in NFL history.

This is far more impressive, IMO. Brown is a legend, but he was bigger than most of the guys trying to tackle him, including many of the linemen.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

230 carries for 1467 yards. Just about 6.4 YPC. Amazing.

He fell 1 yard short of breaking Jim Brown's record for highest YPC in NFL history.

This is far more impressive, IMO. Brown is a legend, but he was bigger than most of the guys trying to tackle him, including many of the linemen.

Brown did do it for about 21 carries a game as opposed to just over 14 for Charles.You don't often seen the "far more impressive than Jim Brown" card played

 

[theglorydays]

230 carries for 1467 yards. Just about 6.4 YPC. Amazing.

He fell 1 yard short of breaking Jim Brown's record for highest YPC in NFL history.

This is far more impressive, IMO. Brown is a legend, but he was bigger than most of the guys trying to tackle him, including many of the linemen.

Brown did do it for about 21 carries a game as opposed to just over 14 for Charles.You don't often seen the "far more impressive than Jim Brown" card played

I'd guess that if Charles played in that era he'd average more then 6.4 ypc...RaiderNation is right, Jim Brown was bigger then most lineman.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

RaiderNation is right, Jim Brown was bigger then most lineman.

I guess I just don't see the relevance of that. A yard gained is a yard gained no matter how big you are.

 

[Instinctive]

RaiderNation is right, Jim Brown was bigger then most lineman.

I guess I just don't see the relevance of that. A yard gained is a yard gained no matter how big you are.

Point being that the average quality of defenders today is significantly higher - Jim Brown was Adrian Peterson today, but while Peterson has to get by DTs like Suh, Brown had to get by guys the size of *maybe* linebackers of today, and the LBs were the size of DBs...

 

[LargeMouthBass]

RaiderNation is right, Jim Brown was bigger then most lineman.

I guess I just don't see the relevance of that. A yard gained is a yard gained no matter how big you are.

Point being that the average quality of defenders today is significantly higher - Jim Brown was Adrian Peterson today, but while Peterson has to get by DTs like Suh, Brown had to get by guys the size of *maybe* linebackers of today, and the LBs were the size of DBs...

I hate stupid arguments like comparing the past to the present. In all sports, without the past, the present will not exist. It's called EVOLUTION...

 

[dwyadog]

RaiderNation is right, Jim Brown was bigger then most lineman.

I guess I just don't see the relevance of that. A yard gained is a yard gained no matter how big you are.

Point being that the average quality of defenders today is significantly higher - Jim Brown was Adrian Peterson today, but while Peterson has to get by DTs like Suh, Brown had to get by guys the size of *maybe* linebackers of today, and the LBs were the size of DBs...

I hate stupid arguments like comparing the past to the present. In all sports, without the past, the present will not exist. It's called EVOLUTION...

Right, call it evolution but the first few guys who evolve will be at a huge advantage. No RB will ever, ever have the physical advantage Jim Brown had. Size, strength, speed. Relative to his peers he was far, far better than ADP is today, but thats relative to his peers. Same thing with basketball and a wilt chamberlain. The first few guys to break the mold, while the pool talent is drawn from is small but the sport is gaining exposure, will always garner huge numbers and huge acclaim. For charles to do what he did in the league now is simply amazing. There are advantages to playing rb now as opposed to when brown played but overall the advantages are decidedly in browns favor.

 

[robin1970]

you forget he shared with t.jones and before jim brown what about the size of the great marion motley in his day.