Jahvid Best (1 Viewer)

[Dragon1952]

The guy has only played in 2 NFL games people....for crying out loud. How can you seriously even attempt to make an evaluation yet.

All you have to do is watch him play (preseason and now two reg season games) and it's easy to make this call.Best is a special player. Few in the league match his burst: CJ2k, Charles, Sproles, Spillar. Of that list, only CJ2k matches his opportunity. All everything running back with explosive potential. Yes, please.

I would tend to agree. My comment was intended more for the ones ready to bury him because he hasn't rushed for 200 yds and 3 TD's a game, however, it can apply to the other extreme also to a certain extent. But....he IS the highest scoring player in FF at the moment by a pretty decent margin.

 

[menobrown]

You hate to bet the farm on a single game's output, especially when the game wasn't under typical circumstances. I'm still bullish on Best, but I don't think it's time to pencil him into the top 5 just yet.

I agree:

21 carries, 164 yards, 1 TD

Darren McFadden's second game.

Why does everyone insist on using historical comparisons? Did you watch Best's game, does he look anything like Darren McFadden (not that it'd be a bad thing)?

I saw both games. Both looked like other-world talent. McFadden came down with turf toe and has never looked the same since, outside the occasional flash of talent on a carry here or there. Who really knows whether he was (a) never that good but just had an awesome game or (b) if the turf toe couple with organizational dysfunctionality stunted his growth.I'm happy with Best's touchdowns, but reserving full-blown elation for when he proves he can consistently run the football after a hand-off.

Exactly and very accurate on the Mcfadden comments. They said he's healthy now and not doing to shabby. Plus another key difference between the two is Mcfadden entered as part of a RBBC while Best enters as a rare 3 down back.

As a 3 down pass catching back you don't even need to be that good to put solid fantasy numbers, especially in PPR leagues. Also helps playing for a team that often finds itself trailing, is in a division with outstanding QB play leading to high scoring games, and has a deep field threat to open up space for Best.

Add it all up and if Best was a marginal talent he'd have been worth his ADP. Just turns out he's got all of this going for him and he's a pretty exceptional talent.

I have Best on almost all of my teams and the injury history and workload is a concern. You can't handcuff him and get anything close to those numbers so if he goes down it's going to hurt. But you can't predict injuries. Look at all the people who valued Grant due to his lack of injuries? I drafted LT very high last year because of his lack of injury history. I'd rather roll the dice on an elite talent in an outstanding situation with great talent than avoid him because of he might get hurt.

 

[bonesman]

I'm gonna offer Best/Eli for Rodgers/Deangelo.

I would hold out for Rodgers/AJ/Finley and a bottle of Dom.

If you're saying I'm attempting rape... I don't really agree. It's a redraft and the guy has just lost Bush (and Norwood) and has Hasslebeck backing up Rodgers... In fact I'm pretty sure it'll be accepted, but I'm getting cold feet in offering.

 

[monkeysee]

little dudes flying around on turf with previous injury history do not last long in an NFL season.

Do you have any evidence that there are more injuries on FieldTurf than on natural grass?

Have you and Best swapped sweat? You are devoted.

 

[rizzler]

little dudes flying around on turf with previous injury history do not last long in an NFL season.

Do you have any evidence that there are more injuries on FieldTurf than on natural grass?

Have you and Best swapped sweat? You are devoted.

soooo, lemme get this straight... you want to ignore evidence and base claim solely on opinion?get real... he's asking or proof of a statement. you know, how educated people do things.

 

[shortbow]

Why isnt this thread in FFA yet, im a Best owner and honestly im stoked he has potential but the risks are there and no one is disputing that so what is the need to reiterate it constantly throughout the entire thread.

This entire thread has become:

Person 1: Wow Jahvid Best has performed well above his expectations.

Person 2: 5 Garbage Touchdowns, 268 all purpose, Lions, not impressed because its not sustainable.

Person 3: Outlandish predictions and ######ery.

 

[T with T]

I think Reggie Bush is a terrible comparison for Best. He is more like a Brian Westbrook.

Was not actually comparing the "skill sets" of the players. As you can see I also compared him to Forte. This is more of a "don't get caught in the hype". I've seen threads / heard stories about people offering MJD and other studs for Jahvid Best. Just showing how production by various players mirrors what Best has done thus far and showing how those situations turned out.

You could also argue that Chris Johnson posted a similar game to Best his Rookie season. Does that mean Best is going to rally for 2,000 yards? No. Each player is unique but looking to the past can help us evaluate each player individually. So we don't end up paying Top 5 Value for a player who could end up being a fringe Top-10 in his career.

your just by one aspect of Best's Game. His 3.2 ypc because of the 14 for 20 game of course its gonna be low. he has 5 tds and 10 catches with 150 plus yards rec thru 2 games.. he is avg 5 catces for 75 yards and 2.5 tds.. he is having more success With catches.. I think he gets better running the ball as the season goes on. He is a lot better then Reggie Bush. More of a Faulk/barry sanders type then Bush....

 

[T with T]

if you want to talk PRODUCTION, Best is on pace for 2144 yards from scrimmage with 80 catches and 40 tds... I know thats not realistic but thru 2 games he is fantastic

 

[jon_mx]

if you want to talk PRODUCTION, Best is on pace for 2144 yards from scrimmage with 80 catches and 40 tds... I know thats not realistic but thru 2 games he is fantastic

He won't get 40 TD's, but the yards and catches are not out of the question. He is going to catch 5 balls a game and probably put up 100 combined yards per game.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

This guy is capable of this that the other 2010 rookie RB's just aren't. I think Best falls into the CJ/Rice category when it comes to talent. And likely a top 5 RB pick next year in dynasty.

 

[jon_mx]

This guy is capable of this that the other 2010 rookie RB's just aren't. I think Best falls into the CJ/Rice category when it comes to talent. And likely a top 5 RB pick next year in dynasty.

As good as I think Best is, he is not a great all around back. He has not shown much power. He has an incredible burst of speed and pops into holes quicker than any back I have ever seen, but Best is not gonna run over anyone. But still, a great back who is going to do great things if used right.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

This guy is capable of this that the other 2010 rookie RB's just aren't. I think Best falls into the CJ/Rice category when it comes to talent. And likely a top 5 RB pick next year in dynasty.

As good as I think Best is, he is not a great all around back. He has not shown much power. He has an incredible burst of speed and pops into holes quicker than any back I have ever seen, but Best is not gonna run over anyone. But still, a great back who is going to do great things if used right.

We heard similar things about CJ and Rice though didn't we?

 

[nysfl2]

I think at this point, the only question worth discussing is whether the 2010 Lions draft was the greatest of all time, or just the best in the last 20 years. Based on what we've seen so far, I'm leaning more towards the first.

 

[nysportsfan]

I may be wrong, I know Best just had his coming out party. But to me, from my admittedly limited knowledge of him, he seems like Michael Bennett. Give him a huge hole, and he has great straight line speed, but he doesn't seem "fast" in and out of his cuts, nor shifty. He doesn't seem to be able to do much unless there is a really big hole. I dunno, I probably need to watch him more to have a better perspective, but so far, he doesn't measure up at all to the Sanders comparisons.

Couldn't disagree more with this. The only thing about this I do agree with is comparing him to Barry, which can be said about 99% of rbs.

 

[shnikies]

Jahvid Best factoids I got from isportsweb.com

* Best is the first NFL player since Billy Sims to start a season with five touchdowns in his first two games.

* His 154 receiving yards is the second highest total for an NFL rookie running back. Hershel Walker holds that record, with 170 receiving yard against the Eagles (who else?) in 1986.

* Best’s 232 all purpose yards are the fifth-highest total by any Lion.

* His 154 receiving yards is the most by any Lions rookie since wide receiver, Dave Middleton. Middleton had 168 yards in 1955.

* Best became the only rookie in NFL history to finish a game with at least 75 yards rushing, 150 yards receiving, and three touchdowns in a game.

 

[shortbow]

Jahvid Best factoids I got from isportsweb.com * Best is the first NFL player since Billy Sims to start a season with five touchdowns in his first two games. * His 154 receiving yards is the second highest total for an NFL rookie running back. Hershel Walker holds that record, with 170 receiving yard against the Eagles (who else?) in 1986. * Best’s 232 all purpose yards are the fifth-highest total by any Lion. * His 154 receiving yards is the most by any Lions rookie since wide receiver, Dave Middleton. Middleton had 168 yards in 1955. * Best became the only rookie in NFL history to finish a game with at least 75 yards rushing, 150 yards receiving, and three touchdowns in a game.

Hard as a rock right now.

 

[jon_mx]

I may be wrong, I know Best just had his coming out party. But to me, from my admittedly limited knowledge of him, he seems like Michael Bennett. Give him a huge hole, and he has great straight line speed, but he doesn't seem "fast" in and out of his cuts, nor shifty. He doesn't seem to be able to do much unless there is a really big hole. I dunno, I probably need to watch him more to have a better perspective, but so far, he doesn't measure up at all to the Sanders comparisons.

Couldn't disagree more with this. The only thing about this I do agree with is comparing him to Barry, which can be said about 99% of rbs.

A few problems with his post. Best does not need a really big hole. In fact he seems to squirt through some of the smallest hole imaginable. Second, Best is not shifty??? Hell, he has faked out several players out of their shorts. He has great stop and go moves along with a nice spin move. He is very allusive. I just don't think he even has the power of a CJ or Rice. Best is a great home run back and runs hard. Give him any hole and he will make yards. He just will not be able to pick up those tough yards and won't break many tackles. He is not a complete back type that will rank in the all time great backs, but he is plenty good to be a top 5 fantasy back and a back who will put a lot of excitement into a game.

 

[howo5]

I just got offered Ray Rice for Javhid Best but all the hype is stopping me from pulling the trigger. So hard not to hold on to this guy when reading the Shark Pool

 

[eaglesfan7]

I just got offered Ray Rice for Javhid Best but all the hype is stopping me from pulling the trigger. So hard not to hold on to this guy when reading the Shark Pool

Do it. Get Rice while you can.

 

[LawFitz]

I just got offered Ray Rice for Javhid Best but all the hype is stopping me from pulling the trigger. So hard not to hold on to this guy when reading the Shark Pool

Don't do it. If we were redrafting right now, would you take Rice ahead of Best? I wouldn't. And I'm a big fan of Rice.

 

[Happy Ragnarok]

I just got offered Ray Rice for Javhid Best but all the hype is stopping me from pulling the trigger. So hard not to hold on to this guy when reading the Shark Pool

Do it. Get Rice while you can.

This.Best is getting a yard or less on the majority of his carries so far this season. He's about to play back to back divisional games against good run defenses. 4 games in, he's going to look like CJ Spiller, and you'll want to throw yourself off a bridge for passing on Rice.

 

[Tau837]

I may be wrong, I know Best just had his coming out party. But to me, from my admittedly limited knowledge of him, he seems like Michael Bennett. Give him a huge hole, and he has great straight line speed, but he doesn't seem "fast" in and out of his cuts, nor shifty. He doesn't seem to be able to do much unless there is a really big hole.

Either:1) You haven't watched him, or2) You're nuts.

There really are no other explanations.

 

[jon_mx]

I just got offered Ray Rice for Javhid Best but all the hype is stopping me from pulling the trigger. So hard not to hold on to this guy when reading the Shark Pool

Do it. Get Rice while you can.

This.Best is getting a yard or less on the majority of his carries so far this season. He's about to play back to back divisional games against good run defenses. 4 games in, he's going to look like CJ Spiller, and you'll want to throw yourself off a bridge for passing on Rice.

And Barry Sanders led the league in rushes for negative yards. Rice has played two good defenses and will get his yards. But Best is the center piece of Detrots offense. I think Best is a better bet week in and week out. He is going to lead RB in receiving, IMHO.

 

[Go deep]

I may be wrong, I know Best just had his coming out party. But to me, from my admittedly limited knowledge of him, he seems like Michael Bennett. Give him a huge hole, and he has great straight line speed, but he doesn't seem "fast" in and out of his cuts, nor shifty. He doesn't seem to be able to do much unless there is a really big hole.

Either:1) You haven't watched him, or2) You're nuts.

There really are no other explanations.

Watch the screen pass that he took for 75 yards. There was nowhere to run, his ability cut, accelerate and be shifty is why he wasnt tackled for a 7 yard gain.

 

[Happy Ragnarok]

I just got offered Ray Rice for Javhid Best but all the hype is stopping me from pulling the trigger. So hard not to hold on to this guy when reading the Shark Pool

Do it. Get Rice while you can.

This.Best is getting a yard or less on the majority of his carries so far this season. He's about to play back to back divisional games against good run defenses. 4 games in, he's going to look like CJ Spiller, and you'll want to throw yourself off a bridge for passing on Rice.

And Barry Sanders led the league in rushes for negative yards. Rice has played two good defenses and will get his yards. But Best is the center piece of Detrots offense. I think Best is a better bet week in and week out. He is going to lead RB in receiving, IMHO.

Barry also led the league in long runs. Best has like two of them. And they weren't that long. And they came against a bad defense. And against the better defense, he averaged about a yard a carry.In short, we've seen nothing to suggest he's even an average runner yet.

 

[Go deep]

I just got offered Ray Rice for Javhid Best but all the hype is stopping me from pulling the trigger. So hard not to hold on to this guy when reading the Shark Pool

Do it. Get Rice while you can.

This.Best is getting a yard or less on the majority of his carries so far this season. He's about to play back to back divisional games against good run defenses. 4 games in, he's going to look like CJ Spiller, and you'll want to throw yourself off a bridge for passing on Rice.

And Barry Sanders led the league in rushes for negative yards. Rice has played two good defenses and will get his yards. But Best is the center piece of Detrots offense. I think Best is a better bet week in and week out. He is going to lead RB in receiving, IMHO.

Barry also led the league in long runs. Best has like two of them. And they weren't that long. And they came against a bad defense. And against the better defense, he averaged about a yard a carry.In short, we've seen nothing to suggest he's even an average runner yet.

I have

 

[LawFitz]

In short, we've seen nothing to suggest he's even an average runner yet.

Thx. Now I know how much stock to put in your opinion.

 

[monkeysee]

little dudes flying around on turf with previous injury history do not last long in an NFL season.

Do you have any evidence that there are more injuries on FieldTurf than on natural grass?

Have you and Best swapped sweat? You are devoted.

soooo, lemme get this straight... you want to ignore evidence and base claim solely on opinion?get real... he's asking or proof of a statement. you know, how educated people do things.

No chance I have an education is there? I really can't wait to revisit this thread in a couple of months.

 

[monkeysee]

little dudes flying around on turf with previous injury history do not last long in an NFL season.

Do you have any evidence that there are more injuries on FieldTurf than on natural grass?

Have you and Best swapped sweat? You are devoted.

soooo, lemme get this straight... you want to ignore evidence and base claim solely on opinion?get real... he's asking or proof of a statement. you know, how educated people do things.

No chance I have an education is there? I really can't wait to revisit this thread in a couple of months.

 

[jon_mx]

I just got offered Ray Rice for Javhid Best but all the hype is stopping me from pulling the trigger. So hard not to hold on to this guy when reading the Shark Pool

Do it. Get Rice while you can.

This.Best is getting a yard or less on the majority of his carries so far this season. He's about to play back to back divisional games against good run defenses. 4 games in, he's going to look like CJ Spiller, and you'll want to throw yourself off a bridge for passing on Rice.

And Barry Sanders led the league in rushes for negative yards. Rice has played two good defenses and will get his yards. But Best is the center piece of Detrots offense. I think Best is a better bet week in and week out. He is going to lead RB in receiving, IMHO.

Barry also led the league in long runs. Best has like two of them. And they weren't that long. And they came against a bad defense. And against the better defense, he averaged about a yard a carry.In short, we've seen nothing to suggest he's even an average runner yet.

In what universe do you live on where the Bears and the Eagles are bad defenses?

 

[JahVideo_Kilt_Radio_Star]

He's Marshall Faulk part II. Hell on turf. Pro Bowler year 1. I hope they lighten the load a little with Kevin Smith (I think Smith can be serviceable in doses)

To the guy that offered Tomlinson and 2011 1st round pick today, good luck with that.

Best and carpet on a solid upcoming offense is a match made in heaven.

 

[Happy Ragnarok]

Do it. Get Rice while you can.

This.Best is getting a yard or less on the majority of his carries so far this season. He's about to play back to back divisional games against good run defenses. 4 games in, he's going to look like CJ Spiller, and you'll want to throw yourself off a bridge for passing on Rice.

And Barry Sanders led the league in rushes for negative yards. Rice has played two good defenses and will get his yards. But Best is the center piece of Detrots offense. I think Best is a better bet week in and week out. He is going to lead RB in receiving, IMHO.

Barry also led the league in long runs. Best has like two of them. And they weren't that long. And they came against a bad defense. And against the better defense, he averaged about a yard a carry.In short, we've seen nothing to suggest he's even an average runner yet.

In what universe do you live on where the Bears and the Eagles are bad defenses?

The Eagles are giving up 30 points a game. Which you can write off as a fluke if you want, but they're not exactly stuffed with talent right now on that side of the ball.The Bears are that "better defense" I mentioned. They only played two games; this shouldn't have been hard to figure out. Best didn't have any long runs against them.

 

[Happy Ragnarok]

In short, we've seen nothing to suggest he's even an average runner yet.

Thx. Now I know how much stock to put in your opinion.

Please go ahead and describe what we HAVE seen to suggest otherwise. Break it down statistically. I'll wait.

 

[unckeyherb]

In short, we've seen nothing to suggest he's even an average runner yet.

Thx. Now I know how much stock to put in your opinion.

Please go ahead and describe what we HAVE seen to suggest otherwise. Break it down statistically. I'll wait.

Statistically? His average NFL production is 134 yards from scrimmage, 7 receptions and 2.5 TDs per game. Are you serious?

 

[Happy Ragnarok]

In short, we've seen nothing to suggest he's even an average runner yet.

Thx. Now I know how much stock to put in your opinion.

Please go ahead and describe what we HAVE seen to suggest otherwise. Break it down statistically. I'll wait.

Statistically? His average NFL production is 134 yards from scrimmage, 7 receptions and 2.5 TDs per game. Are you serious?

Runner.