DynastyMan
Footballguy
Jamaal Charles ran for 162 yards and a pair of touchdowns for Texas. Hope he comes out for nfl draft, were do you think he will be drafted in fantasy drafts?
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Come on you know Pac-10 schools dont play D.
He did look good though. I know Colin is high on him so temper your expectations
He did look good though. I know Colin is high on him so temper your expectations
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
He'd be RB2 in this draft, behind McFadden. Felix Jones might push him to RB3, but I doubt it. I've been saying this for months. No one believes me. Doesn't matter though as I think he's already said he's returning to Austin.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Well played, GBBSS
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I like him, but we'll have to wait until next year, maybe
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Texas rushed for 300.
Brewzers
Footballguy
He is certainly not LT, at least not yet. He's already told Mack Brown he will be coming back for his senior season and that is no surprise. He will go through the NFL draft evaluation to see where he grades out, thats more for the feedback than anything else. He has alot of fundamentals to work on during his senior year. He needs to bulk up more, learn to run between the tackles and block better. He needs to prove he can "carry the load". On the upside he has top quality sprinter speed and good instincts. All that said, he should be a first rounder in 2009.
guderian
Footballguy
I don't like the fact that he stuck the "probably" in there and he did request a draft evaluation from the NFL. I think he made a lot of progress this year since this was the first year that he dropped track to focus on football. Another year should secure a spot in the first round for him, but I think if he entered this year he'd be a late first rounder at best and probably a second rounder. IMO he's too inconsistent and too much of his game is based on beating the defense outside and with Reggie Bush's struggles I think teams would be reluctant to make him their first pick. That said he made steady progress through the year in running between the tackles (he had a very nice TD run last night), but I still think he needs one more year.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
The one TD run was a nice job showing wiggle in some tight spaces, but overall he takes most stuff outside and even as fast as he is, it will be much harder to do that consistently at the next level.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Reggie Bush says that's BS.
EBF
Footballguy
I don't think he necessarily resembles those guys as a player, but that's how I see him as a prospect. A good prospect with decent size and good combine numbers, but not quite a strong enough overall package to go in the first.I think he could slip into the late first with a big year next season, but Chris Wells is the early favorite to be the first back off the board in 2009. Kevin Smith will also be a factor. Knowshon Moreno will only be a sophomore, but he'll also be draft-eligible and I would take him over Charles at this point in time. You also have to figure that 1-2 under the radar guys will emerge like they do every year (LJ, Perry, Addai, Mendenhall, Stewart). My point is that he's going to have tough competition for draft slots regardless of when he leaves.He has an interesting decision ahead of him. I think his decision will really depend on what kind of grade the advisory committee gives him. I expect it won't be first round, so I'd look for him to come back and sell himself on the idea of improving his stock and competing for a national championship.
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westbrook36
Footballguy
Maybe he can strive to one day be as good as Brian Westbrook. 
coolnerd
Footballguy
Charles has outstanding straightline speed and worked hard to improve his overall strength. he will need run better between the tackles, but his vision seems to be good and shows enough wiggle. Has had problems with fumbling though. Biggest issue is if he gets pegs a speed guy. I can't remember the last feature type running whose number 1 asset was his pure speed (Robert Smith maybe). Several Rbs with great vision, ability to break tackles etc, who happen to be fast...see Adrian Peterson..come to mind, though. Guessing a 2nd rounder, with a chance to for the late 1st.
coolnerd
Footballguy
Actually, University of Texas guys have a strong history of staying for four years. Vince Young was an exception, not the rule.
Brewzers
Footballguy
Vince redshirted his freshman year, so he spent 4 years here. However, when you hit the lottery for the National Championship versus USC who was supposedly the greatest college football team ever....you got to punch that ticket.
Jedimaster21
Footballguy
Although I know you aren't comparing these players directly and merely discussing overall talent level, I see Charles as a much better prospect than the two other players mentioned. Tatum Bell was seen as a perfect fit for the Denver system, but never displayed toughness or vision. Julius is similar, lacks toughness and vision, but shows elite burst and speed. Charles does have the sprinter speed, but I also think he has pretty good vision to avoid hits and find the proper holes. He seems to show more patience than the other two mentioned. His weakness, however, could be toughness, and he needs to put on a few pounds and show he can get some tough yards between the tackles. Overall, I don't see him in the McFadden/Stewart/Jones/Mendenhall class, but I do consider his talent and potential to be on par with Slaton/Rice.
EBF
Footballguy
So you think he's a better prospect than Bell and Jones, but you think his talent is on par with Slaton and Rice? This doesn't make a ton of sense to me because Slaton and Rice will probably go lower in the draft than Bell and Jones did.You mentioned the main things that will keep Charles out of the first round: size and power. What really separates Stewart and Mendenhall from the rest of the pack is that they have ideal physical skill set to play RB in the NFL. They have production, speed, agility, and power and they have it packed into ideal frames. Felix Jones is a little bit smaller, but he has a strong base and could probably look at a guy like Jamaal Charles and Steve Slaton and say "anything you can do, I can do better." It's hard for a RB to get picked in the first round. Just look at the guys who have been drafted that high recently:Adrian PetersonMarshawn LynchReggie BushLaurence MaroneyDeAngelo WilliamsJoseph AddaiCarnell WilliamsRonnie BrownCedric BensonSteven JacksonChris PerryKevin JonesLarry JohnsonWillis McGaheeThat's a pretty special group of talent. Looking at this list, almost all of these guys had ideal size, elite production, and elite combine numbers. That's kind of the golden triangle for RB prospects. The guys who score well in all three categories tend to be the first round picks. The guys who are deficient in one or more categories tend to slide in the draft. Guys like Slaton, Rice, and Charles don't stack up with recent first round picks. That's why I compare them to guys like Julius Jones, Jerious Norwood, and Frank Gore. Those guys were also good players with some promising qualities, but they didn't have the overall package needed to be considered elite prospects and surefire starters.
Jedimaster21
Footballguy
Chris Henry, Brandon Jackson, Lendale White, MJD, JJ Arrington, Eric Shelton, Greg Jones, Clinton Portis, Maurice Morris, Ladell Betts...all 2nd round picks, but all over the talent spectrum. Slaton and Rice may be taken in the same round as Julius and Tatum, but they are more talented IMO. The round that a RB is drafted in doesn't necessarily give you a clear picture of his talent level. For the most part, EBF, I agree with everything you post regarding RBs, and you are definitely one of the best RB talent evaluators on this board. I pretty much agree with you here, too. I just see Charles as closer to Slaton/Rice than the other RBs mentioned. IMO, he has about the same chance of slipping into the first as those two, and is just as talented. All three have some warts, but are very solid prospects that could surprise at the next level.
