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I've been debating between Jamal Lewis and Steve Smith all off season as who will be my 2nd keeper player (in a two man keeper league). After watching him play Friday night I was encouraged by his play. To me, he looked strong and confident plowing through the line, something I haven't seen him do since 2003. I'm curious to see what you guys think (am I being bias?)....is he going to be better then most think with a decent passing game and being 100% healthy? :loco:

 
I've been debating between Jamal Lewis and Steve Smith all off season as who will be my 2nd keeper player (in a two man keeper league). After watching him play Friday night I was encouraged by his play. To me, he looked strong and confident plowing through the line, something I haven't seen him do since 2003. I'm curious to see what you guys think (am I being bias?)....is he going to be better then most think with a decent passing game and being 100% healthy? :loco:
I completely agree that Jamal is looking good this year. I think he is going way to late in drafts this year. To keep him over S Smith would still be hard but it's closer than I might have thought at the end of last year.
 
So you're going to get a TON of new information after 6 PRESEASON carries?Good luck to you, my friend.

 
I agree that Lewis is starting to look like a decent value pick. All that talk of him splitting considerable time with Anderson may be dissipating.

Seems to be a big difference from last year, when he was just out of prison, rehabbing from injury and hankering for a new contract. Now that none of those issues are at hand, he could surprise on the upside. The other positive thing is that he probably stays in on 3rd downs with Taylor gone (MA doesn't seem to be a prototypical 3rd down back either).

Of course, the other side of the coin is that now that he got his cash, where's the motivation?

On balance, I'm cautiously optimistic about his chances...

 
Are you serious? What was his line from that game?

It's not like a single appearance in a preseason game is going to radically change people's perceptions... we're not dealing with an unknown quality like Reggie Bush here. People know where Jamal stands.... many are cautiously optimistic he could provide good value as a RB2.

 
So you're going to get a TON of new information after 6 PRESEASON carries?Good luck to you, my friend.
It's more information then we had back in May......thanks for your well wishes. Good luck to you too! :)
 
Jamal is someone who is being written off at the ripe old age of 27. He has suffered a myriad of problems. When healthy, he's a big bruiser with some speed.

I like him some this season, I don't think Mike Anderson translates into a third down back as he seems to have a similar skill set to Jamal. I'd be surprise if Jamal doesn't top 1000 yards and 6-7 touchdowns.

But I think his TDs will be a bit higher with McNair at the helm.

 
I agree that Lewis is starting to look like a decent value pick. All that talk of him splitting considerable time with Anderson may be dissipating.Seems to be a big difference from last year, when he was just out of prison, rehabbing from injury and hankering for a new contract. Now that none of those issues are at hand, he could surprise on the upside. The other positive thing is that he probably stays in on 3rd downs with Taylor gone (MA doesn't seem to be a prototypical 3rd down back either).Of course, the other side of the coin is that now that he got his cash, where's the motivation?On balance, I'm cautiously optimistic about his chances...
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I like him some this season, I don't think Mike Anderson translates into a third down back as he seems to have a similar skill set to Jamal. I'd be surprise if Jamal doesn't top 1000 yards and 6-7 touchdowns.
FYI, on a rerlated note, today's Baltimore Sun indicated that the most likely third down back is... Musa Smith, not Mike Anderson.
After enduring two years of rehabilitation - along with two stints on injured reserve - Smith has become the most impressive back at this year's training camp. His strong summer has made him a favorite to become the Ravens' new third-down back.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/footbal...sports-football
 
I like him some this season, I don't think Mike Anderson translates into a third down back as he seems to have a similar skill set to Jamal. I'd be surprise if Jamal doesn't top 1000 yards and 6-7 touchdowns.
FYI, on a rerlated note, today's Baltimore Sun indicated that the most likely third down back is... Musa Smith, not Mike Anderson.
After enduring two years of rehabilitation - along with two stints on injured reserve - Smith has become the most impressive back at this year's training camp. His strong summer has made him a favorite to become the Ravens' new third-down back.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/footbal...sports-football
I know they were very high on Musa when they got him because they liked his speed....he is definately a change of pace from Lewis.
 
So you're going to get a TON of new information after 6 PRESEASON carries?Good luck to you, my friend.
We've got more training camp, a preseason game, and ADP data. Relax, dude...

 
I agree that Lewis is starting to look like a decent value pick. All that talk of him splitting considerable time with Anderson may be dissipating.Seems to be a big difference from last year, when he was just out of prison, rehabbing from injury and hankering for a new contract. Now that none of those issues are at hand, he could surprise on the upside. The other positive thing is that he probably stays in on 3rd downs with Taylor gone (MA doesn't seem to be a prototypical 3rd down back either).Of course, the other side of the coin is that now that he got his cash, where's the motivation?On balance, I'm cautiously optimistic about his chances...
IIRC he signed what is essentially a one-year deal, so not only is he in better shape, and looking better, but he's playing in a contract year.
 
So you're going to get a TON of new information after 6 PRESEASON carries?Good luck to you, my friend.
We've got more training camp, a preseason game, and ADP data. Relax, dude...
:goodposting:

 
Jamal is someone who is being written off at the ripe old age of 27. He has suffered a myriad of problems. When healthy, he's a big bruiser with some speed. I like him some this season, I don't think Mike Anderson translates into a third down back as he seems to have a similar skill set to Jamal. I'd be surprise if Jamal doesn't top 1000 yards and 6-7 touchdowns. But I think his TDs will be a bit higher with McNair at the helm.
I agree that the offence will be better with McNair. But McNair may also steal some of the rushing TDs himself, so Lewis' TDs will probably not increase more than the 6-8 range.
 
I agree that Lewis is starting to look like a decent value pick. All that talk of him splitting considerable time with Anderson may be dissipating.Seems to be a big difference from last year, when he was just out of prison, rehabbing from injury and hankering for a new contract. Now that none of those issues are at hand, he could surprise on the upside. The other positive thing is that he probably stays in on 3rd downs with Taylor gone (MA doesn't seem to be a prototypical 3rd down back either).Of course, the other side of the coin is that now that he got his cash, where's the motivation?On balance, I'm cautiously optimistic about his chances...
IIRC he signed what is essentially a one-year deal, so not only is he in better shape, and looking better, but he's playing in a contract year.
Now that I recall, I think you're right. I'm too lazy to look up the terms, but I believe it was structured to basically be a one-year deal. So the motivation factor may be there after all.
 
Any Ravens homers have an opinion on if they think we will see Jamal get most of the carries or will they mix in Mike Anderson a lot?

I am evaluating on an auction draft if I am better off spending $50 on Shaun Alexander and $2 on Maurice Morris or if trying to get Lewis and Mike Anderson for around $20 is a better investment? Going the SA way would tie up 68% of my cap space in Larry Johnson and Shaun Alexander.

I really feel like Lewis is somewhat risky but his value has not been this low in a long long time.

 
Jamal is someone who is being written off at the ripe old age of 27. He has suffered a myriad of problems. When healthy, he's a big bruiser with some speed. I like him some this season, I don't think Mike Anderson translates into a third down back as he seems to have a similar skill set to Jamal. I'd be surprise if Jamal doesn't top 1000 yards and 6-7 touchdowns. But I think his TDs will be a bit higher with McNair at the helm.
I agree that the offence will be better with McNair. But McNair may also steal some of the rushing TDs himself, so Lewis' TDs will probably not increase more than the 6-8 range.
With all the injuries/wear and tear, I don't think McNair is nearly the TD vulture he used to be. When you have a moose like Lewis, I think he gets the ball at the stripe.
 
In my opinion I think Jamal will do much better then 6-8 TD's. McNair can only help his TD totals. Defenses will have to respect his play making ability and not stuff the line of scrimmage like they did in years past. I don't think Jamal has ever seen defenses respect the pass, usually they play the run all day long. I'm hoping (and praying) that result will give Jamal more room to run.

 
I don't buy that crap about Smith either. He ran well in the first game but I think Jamal is pretty much going to be THE back in Baltimore, and I don't ever remember Smith being anything else than a Jamal-type power back. He was never a particularly good receiver or juker in college. More of a tween the tackles type of back.

 
You have a better sense for your league than we do. But if you think Lewis or a comparable RB will be there when you make your initial pick then hold onto Smith. It is more likely Smith will be off the board than Lewis IMO so I think you hold onto Smith and try to re-draft Lewis or another decent RB as your RB2. Then you will be all set with two solid RB's and a top 3 WR as the foundation of your team.

 
Ravens homer here.

I think Jamal is going to bounce back. He had the luxary of having a prison free offseason workout program, and looks to be in great (for him) shape. He also has a chip on his shoulder.

You know what you are going to get with Jamal (when healthy, in shape). Not the greatest pass catcher (although I think he will catch a few more with McNair) and often comes out in the redzone as he seems to have a hard time catching his breath sometimes. If I had a dollar for everytime I saw him on the sidelines huffing and puffing..

 
Keys Myaths said:
So you're going to get a TON of new information after 6 PRESEASON carries?
the 6 carries were enough for Dodds to move Lewis from RB25 (~150 FF points), to RB17 (~185 FF points)care to wish Dodds "good luck" based on those 6 carries also?!?!?! :P seriously...it was more about how the offense looked than the 6 carries...McNair brings a confidence to the entire squad that has been lackingfacing fewer 8 and 9 man fronts, I am higher on Lewis than I was last year---keep in mind, I authored "Jamal Lewis...buyer beware" as the early rankings had him ~RB10, which I though was crazy talklet's just say I've drafted him and am looking to make trades to get him, before the next game...Thursday evening against Philly
 
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You have a better sense for your league than we do. But if you think Lewis or a comparable RB will be there when you make your initial pick then hold onto Smith. It is more likely Smith will be off the board than Lewis IMO so I think you hold onto Smith and try to re-draft Lewis or another decent RB as your RB2. Then you will be all set with two solid RB's and a top 3 WR as the foundation of your team.
That would have been my initial thought too but I don't have a 1st round pick (and with keeping 2 players is really more like the 3rd) and don't pick until the end of the 2nd round. Smith would be taken in the top 3 and Lewis might slip but will definitely be gone by the time I pick. Our league goes RB crazy so keeping Lewis is probably my best choice. I'm trying to trade Smith to get some value but it kills me to trade a WR who touches the ball as much as Smith. Having said that, I'm definitely encouraged by what I saw of Lewis (even though it was only 6 carries).
 
Keys Myaths said:
So you're going to get a TON of new information after 6 PRESEASON carries?
the 6 carries were enough for Dodds to move Lewis from RB25 (~150 FF points), to RB17 (~185 FF points)care to wish Dodds "good luck" based on those 6 carries also?!?!?! :P seriously...it was more about how the offense looked than the 6 carries...McNair brings a confidence to the entire squad that has been lackingfacing fewer 8 and 9 man fronts, I am high on Lewis than I was last year---keep in mine, I authored "Jamal Lewis...buyer beware" as the early rankings had him ~RB10, which I though was crazy talklet's just say I've drafted him and am looking to make trades to get him, before the next game...Thursday evening against Philly
:football: :goodposting: :football:
 
You have a better sense for your league than we do. But if you think Lewis or a comparable RB will be there when you make your initial pick then hold onto Smith. It is more likely Smith will be off the board than Lewis IMO so I think you hold onto Smith and try to re-draft Lewis or another decent RB as your RB2. Then you will be all set with two solid RB's and a top 3 WR as the foundation of your team.
That would have been my initial thought too but I don't have a 1st round pick (and with keeping 2 players is really more like the 3rd) and don't pick until the end of the 2nd round. Smith would be taken in the top 3 and Lewis might slip but will definitely be gone by the time I pick. Our league goes RB crazy so keeping Lewis is probably my best choice. I'm trying to trade Smith to get some value but it kills me to trade a WR who touches the ball as much as Smith. Having said that, I'm definitely encouraged by what I saw of Lewis (even though it was only 6 carries).
Who is the other player you are definitely keeping? That may impact who people think you should keep.
 
My question is why bring in Anderson then? Balt. paid pretty good $ for him and they are not planning on using him? That doesn't make sense to me.

 
Keys Myaths said:
So you're going to get a TON of new information after 6 PRESEASON carries?
the 6 carries were enough for Dodds to move Lewis from RB25 (~150 FF points), to RB17 (~185 FF points)
If DD moved him that much based on those carries, then yes, DD overreacted.
did you see the game?if you watched Lewis at all last year (I've seen over 90% of his career carries), you'd know that what happened offensively on Friday night was never present at any time last yearLewis faced 9 man fronts on many occasions, and 8 man fronts the rest of the time...he faced a much more balanced defense, and ran w/authoritythere exists a dimention today that has lacked just about his whole time here...one doesn't need to watch until October to acknowledge its existance
 
My question is why bring in Anderson then? Balt. paid pretty good $ for him and they are not planning on using him? That doesn't make sense to me.
IIRC, they were playing the proverbial game of chicken with Lewis by bringing Anderson. Jamal signed a couple of days thereafter, I believe. Besides, I don't think Anderson's contract is all that large, especially if they plan on using him as a fullback with Ricard gone.
 
You have a better sense for your league than we do. But if you think Lewis or a comparable RB will be there when you make your initial pick then hold onto Smith. It is more likely Smith will be off the board than Lewis IMO so I think you hold onto Smith and try to re-draft Lewis or another decent RB as your RB2. Then you will be all set with two solid RB's and a top 3 WR as the foundation of your team.
That would have been my initial thought too but I don't have a 1st round pick (and with keeping 2 players is really more like the 3rd) and don't pick until the end of the 2nd round. Smith would be taken in the top 3 and Lewis might slip but will definitely be gone by the time I pick. Our league goes RB crazy so keeping Lewis is probably my best choice. I'm trying to trade Smith to get some value but it kills me to trade a WR who touches the ball as much as Smith. Having said that, I'm definitely encouraged by what I saw of Lewis (even though it was only 6 carries).
Who is the other player you are definitely keeping? That may impact who people think you should keep.
The other guy is Shaun Alexander. :D
 
Keys Myaths said:
So you're going to get a TON of new information after 6 PRESEASON carries?
the 6 carries were enough for Dodds to move Lewis from RB25 (~150 FF points), to RB17 (~185 FF points)
If DD moved him that much based on those carries, then yes, DD overreacted.
did you see the game?if you watched Lewis at all last year (I've seen over 90% of his career carries), you'd know that what happened offensively on Friday night was never present at any time last yearLewis faced 9 man fronts on many occasions, and 8 man fronts the rest of the time...he faced a much more balanced defense, and ran w/authoritythere exists a dimention today that has lacked just about his whole time here...one doesn't need to watch until October to acknowledge its existance
I agree 100% Ravnzfan! I've watched a ton of ravens games over the past few years and Jamal has never had a QB who will force defenses to respect the pass.As far as our friend Keys Myaths goes....well lets just say he doesn't sound like one of those guys who knows how to rate players very well. :wall:
 
Has Jamal pretty much always had a 3rd down back paired with him?
Not sure, but when Lewis ran for 2K, he had 26 receptions to Chester Taylor's 20 (plus 63 carries), so it seemed like Lewis was in there a substantial amount of the time. That's only off the stats though - the homers would know from the actual game situations.
 
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Keys Myaths said:
So you're going to get a TON of new information after 6 PRESEASON carries?
the 6 carries were enough for Dodds to move Lewis from RB25 (~150 FF points), to RB17 (~185 FF points)
If DD moved him that much based on those carries, then yes, DD overreacted.
did you see the game?if you watched Lewis at all last year (I've seen over 90% of his career carries), you'd know that what happened offensively on Friday night was never present at any time last yearLewis faced 9 man fronts on many occasions, and 8 man fronts the rest of the time...he faced a much more balanced defense, and ran w/authoritythere exists a dimention today that has lacked just about his whole time here...one doesn't need to watch until October to acknowledge its existance
I agree 100% Ravnzfan! I've watched a ton of ravens games over the past few years and Jamal has never had a QB who will force defenses to respect the pass.As far as our friend Keys Myaths goes....well lets just say he doesn't sound like one of those guys who knows how to rate players very well. :wall:
Living in the DC area, I too have unfortunately seen a ton of Ravens games the last few years, and while Jamal has seen tough fronts, he NEVER hit the hole hard. I'm sure Ravens fans are familiar with him tip toeing to the line. If he can get back to hitting the hole, I would have much more confidence. Maybe moving defenders out of the box will help him become less tentative.
 
Keys Myaths said:
So you're going to get a TON of new information after 6 PRESEASON carries?
the 6 carries were enough for Dodds to move Lewis from RB25 (~150 FF points), to RB17 (~185 FF points)
If DD moved him that much based on those carries, then yes, DD overreacted.
did you see the game?if you watched Lewis at all last year (I've seen over 90% of his career carries), you'd know that what happened offensively on Friday night was never present at any time last yearLewis faced 9 man fronts on many occasions, and 8 man fronts the rest of the time...he faced a much more balanced defense, and ran w/authoritythere exists a dimention today that has lacked just about his whole time here...one doesn't need to watch until October to acknowledge its existance
:goodposting: Lewis = valueDid you know that he averaged over 100 total yards a game from Week 12 on last season? As soon as the passing game started to click and his leg healed, he was back to his old self. Anderson is 34 and not a threat.
 
Something is chronically wrong with Lewis's lower body in my opinion. He doesnt have the plant and leg drive that made him a tank, and I dont see him lasting even most of the season off the IR. Anderson is the play here.

 
My question is why bring in Anderson then? Balt. paid pretty good $ for him and they are not planning on using him? That doesn't make sense to me.
They paid good money to Taylor last year too for being the 3rd down back/backup. They also signed MA before Jamal in part, IMO, to put pressure on Jamal to show that he didn't have them over a barrell. MA is average at best and he's not on Denver anymore. He's a poor man's Jamal Lewis.
 
I've said it for months, Lewis is a steal in this years drafts. Last years Lewis was nothing close to the player he is. Things snowballed out of control for that Balt team and Lewis. I'll second the words of H.K., J.Lewis = Value.

 
Keys Myaths said:
So you're going to get a TON of new information after 6 PRESEASON carries?
the 6 carries were enough for Dodds to move Lewis from RB25 (~150 FF points), to RB17 (~185 FF points)
If DD moved him that much based on those carries, then yes, DD overreacted.
did you see the game?if you watched Lewis at all last year (I've seen over 90% of his career carries), you'd know that what happened offensively on Friday night was never present at any time last yearLewis faced 9 man fronts on many occasions, and 8 man fronts the rest of the time...he faced a much more balanced defense, and ran w/authoritythere exists a dimention today that has lacked just about his whole time here...one doesn't need to watch until October to acknowledge its existance
:goodposting: Lewis = valueDid you know that he averaged over 100 total yards a game from Week 12 on last season? As soon as the passing game started to click and his leg healed, he was back to his old self. Anderson is 34 and not a threat.
:shock: :shock: we're on the same side of the argument.....
 
I like Lewis a lot this year as well. He'll be playing for a final big contract and having a QB that doesn't stink is going to do wonders for his production.

 
Something is chronically wrong with Lewis's lower body in my opinion. He doesnt have the plant and leg drive that made him a tank, and I dont see him lasting even most of the season off the IR. Anderson is the play here.
He had ankle surgery in March of 2005. It was just called a procedure but I read an article in May of 2005 and they talked to a RB who had the same surgery (I can’t remember who it was now...I wish I had that link) but I remember him saying it took a solid year before he was able to cut and but pressure on it like he did before the surgery. I think the tentivness and "lower body" issues are going to be behind him.
 
Something is chronically wrong with Lewis's lower body in my opinion. He doesnt have the plant and leg drive that made him a tank, and I dont see him lasting even most of the season off the IR. Anderson is the play here.
He had ankle surgery in March of 2005. It was just called a procedure but I read an article in May of 2005 and they talked to a RB who had the same surgery (I can’t remember who it was now...I wish I had that link) but I remember him saying it took a solid year before he was able to cut and but pressure on it like he did before the surgery. I think the tentivness and "lower body" issues are going to be behind him.
which makes sense if you saw him run last year. He had almost no cutback ability early in the year and often seemed to fall down (which was uncharaterstic). He would also dance at the line more than I'd ever seen him do. He busted off a few nice runs in the preseason game and had the cutback and power he's known for. McNair's efficiency was great to see and for the 1st time since he's been in the league he will finally have a qb that can hit a wr in stride or complete a 3rd and 5.
 
FYI - Here is his schedule:

Sep 10 @Tampa Bay 1:00pm

Sep 17 Oakland 1:00pm

Sep 24 @Cleveland 4:05pm :D Guarantees anyone?

Oct 1 San Diego 1:00pm

Oct 9 @Denver 8:30pm

Oct 15 Carolina 1:00pm

Week 7 BYE

Oct 29 @New Orleans 1:00pm

Nov 5 Cincinnati 1:00pm

Nov 12 @Tennessee 1:00pm

Nov 19 Atlanta 1:00pm

Nov 26 Pittsburgh 1:00pm

Nov 30 @Cincinnati 8:00pm

Dec 10 @Kansas City 1:00pm

Dec 17 Cleveland 1:00pm

Dec 24 @Pittsburgh 1:00pm :( Tough FF Championship draw

Dec 31 Buffalo 1:00pm

I bolded the tougher match ups, not a great slate with NFC South draw, but not awful with some creampuffs in there.

 
FYI - Here is his schedule:

Sep 10 @Tampa Bay 1:00pm

Sep 17 Oakland 1:00pm

Sep 24 @Cleveland 4:05pm :D Guarantees anyone?

Oct 1 San Diego 1:00pm

Oct 9 @Denver 8:30pm

Oct 15 Carolina 1:00pm

Week 7 BYE

Oct 29 @New Orleans 1:00pm

Nov 5 Cincinnati 1:00pm

Nov 12 @Tennessee 1:00pm

Nov 19 Atlanta 1:00pm

Nov 26 Pittsburgh 1:00pm

Nov 30 @Cincinnati 8:00pm

Dec 10 @Kansas City 1:00pm

Dec 17 Cleveland 1:00pm

Dec 24 @Pittsburgh 1:00pm :( Tough FF Championship draw

Dec 31 Buffalo 1:00pm

I bolded the tougher match ups, not a great slate with NFC South draw, but not awful with some creampuffs in there.
:goodposting: I never checked the schedule....I agree there are some creampuff games in there but Pittsburgh in week 16 freaking sucks!

 

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