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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I am afraid Lions fans are going to learn the same thing with Stafford.
I watched the whole game (I'm from Kansas City 
) and it wasn't just that Russell was 4-17. It was that the 4-17 was almost entirely his fault. I don't
remember one dropped ball by a receiver. He threw a swing pass to McFadden and he jumped for it and barely managed to touch it. He was high with almost
every throw.
I drafted Zach Miller based on the results from the latter part of last season, but at this point I'm really sorry that I did. Miller could be very good with even
a halfway decent QB, but I'm sure after the KC game that Russell isn't a halfway decent QB.
) and it wasn't just that Russell was 4-17. It was that the 4-17 was almost entirely his fault. I don'tremember one dropped ball by a receiver. He threw a swing pass to McFadden and he jumped for it and barely managed to touch it. He was high with almost
every throw.
I drafted Zach Miller based on the results from the latter part of last season, but at this point I'm really sorry that I did. Miller could be very good with even
a halfway decent QB, but I'm sure after the KC game that Russell isn't a halfway decent QB.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
61 yards? That is unacceptable... This is hard to take. I can't defend him anymore. How hard is it to throw for 100 yards even? 25 a quarter? Is that too much of a pace?One friggen yard per minute of ball game.... Yeesh...
gnarboots11
Footballguy
Oakland still is a miserable miserable situation and I regret owning any of them. Run DMC, and Zach Miller, ALL THE HYPE! These 2 are KILLING ME! and I blame Russel.
Chaka
Footballguy
I am as big of a Jamarcus basher as you will find but to be fair how many second year starting QBs also have to deal with two rookie WRs as his first and second options?
Look at the entire receiving corps:
Heyward-Bey - rookie
Murphy - rookie
Shillens - 2nd year (injured)
Higgens - 3rd year
Nick Miller - rookie (i think)
Watkins - 2nd year
Walker - 8th year (4th string, injured and in the dog house)
Zach Miller - (3rd season and the only one worth a darn)
Many QBs would struggle throwing to this receiving corps, it is asking a lot for a guy with Russell's experience to make lemonade from these lemons.
That being it really looks like Jamarcus is contributing his fair share to the overall suckitude of the Oakland passing game.
Look at the entire receiving corps:
Heyward-Bey - rookie
Murphy - rookie
Shillens - 2nd year (injured)
Higgens - 3rd year
Nick Miller - rookie (i think)
Watkins - 2nd year
Walker - 8th year (4th string, injured and in the dog house)
Zach Miller - (3rd season and the only one worth a darn)
Many QBs would struggle throwing to this receiving corps, it is asking a lot for a guy with Russell's experience to make lemonade from these lemons.
That being it really looks like Jamarcus is contributing his fair share to the overall suckitude of the Oakland passing game.
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perry147
Footballguy
The WR are not dropping balls, at least not to the extent that we could attribute to JR's bad numbers. He is missing guys we are open far too often (overthrows, underthrows, behind).He had 1 yard of passing in the second half today.
The raiders entire offense had 137 yards for the whole game.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Oh man, 1 freaking yard.
I didn't think that was possible.How long can the Raiders possibly stick with him?
Chaka
Footballguy
And how are we supposed to know that the receivers are running the right routes and making the right reads?Again, I am no fan of Russell but there is a lot of blame to go around with this putrid passing game and plenty of it falls on Russell, the receiving corps and let's not forget the coaching staff that can't seem to draw up plays that the offense can execute.
perry147
Footballguy
I do not know how we could quantify what the right routes were supposed to be in order to evaluate if the WR is in fact running the correct one.
Well, in defense of JaMarcus, the other team gets the ball for half the game, on average, so he actually averaged TWO yards per minute of ball game...61 yards? That is unacceptable... This is hard to take. I can't defend him anymore. How hard is it to throw for 100 yards even? 25 a quarter? Is that too much of a pace?One friggen yard per minute of ball game.... Yeesh...
Chaka
Footballguy
Neither do I. All I am saying is that with such an inexperienced offense all around I sure there is plenty of blame to go all around.However after watching the guy play for awhile I am not hopeful that he will ever turn it around and become a high caliber starting QB in the NFL.
He really does look bad, doesn't he?
perry147
Footballguy
I thought him being overweight at the combine was very telling.But at the end of last year I listen to people start to talk about how "JR might be good and give the Raiders a chance", but just watching him this year (including preseason) I have to say that what we saw last year was a case of Volek'ness. His throwing mechanics are horrible just from the standpoint of stepping into his throws and not off of his back foot. I watched NFL network do a brief diagnosis of him saying the same thing.
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I love this following fact:
Right now, Louis Murphy has 8/138/1 for the season. All other Oakland WRs combined have put up 2/46/0. The entire WR corps as a whole has combined for 10 catches on 38 targets (42% catch rate for Murphy, 11% catch rate for everyone else). Woof.
Edit: Forgot to "credit" DHB with the targets on both interceptions today. The entire WR corps has 10 catches on 40 targets (19 for Murphy, 21 for everyone else). The non-Murphy WRs have a 9.5% catch rate, and so far this season a pass targeted at someone other than an RB/TE/Murphy is more likely to be intercepted than caught.
Right now, Louis Murphy has 8/138/1 for the season. All other Oakland WRs combined have put up 2/46/0. The entire WR corps as a whole has combined for 10 catches on 38 targets (42% catch rate for Murphy, 11% catch rate for everyone else). Woof.
Edit: Forgot to "credit" DHB with the targets on both interceptions today. The entire WR corps has 10 catches on 40 targets (19 for Murphy, 21 for everyone else). The non-Murphy WRs have a 9.5% catch rate, and so far this season a pass targeted at someone other than an RB/TE/Murphy is more likely to be intercepted than caught.
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i would love to see gradkowski get a shot. then we will see how much of this is russell's fault. any way you slice it up, he is fat, lazy, and has no football sense.
it's a shame they didn't just take calvin johnson. when you have the first pick you should take the best player.
it's a shame they didn't just take calvin johnson. when you have the first pick you should take the best player.
RebelINS
Footballguy
It's sad how pathetic the Raiders situation is. JaMarcus is not only a fat, lazy, terrible QB but also dumb as a box of bricks. Adding this up to being able to throw the ball 80 yards gets you nowhere. The Raiders need to implode the franchise but it won't happen as long as Big Daddy Al is alive.
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timschochet
Footballguy
I'll bet he could throw the ball out of the stadium though. You think?
He reminds me of a baseball player I idolized as a kid by the name of Dave Kingman. Guy was always striking out. Took huge swings, and usually whiffed. But when he made contact...
He reminds me of a baseball player I idolized as a kid by the name of Dave Kingman. Guy was always striking out. Took huge swings, and usually whiffed. But when he made contact...
This gets proven time and time again. If you are drafting at the top of the draft you need to select best player available. In this same draft ADP inexplicably fell to 7th. You can clearly make a case that Calvin Johnson being drafted ahead of was ok and some might be able to pull together a case for Joe Thomas (having a lock down LT for years to come is never a bad thing) but he was/is significantly better then Gaines Adams (drafted by Tampa because they were desperately trying to replace Simeon Rice,) Levi Brown (drafted because Arizona desperately needed a body on the O-line,) Jamarcus (nuff said,) and Laron Landry (who seems to be a nice player but I am not sure if he will ever be elite) ... if you are at the top of the draft and you overextend for a need position it has a tendency to come back and bite you at least a little bit
Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
Makes me wonder how much better off we could be with a guy like Garcia spreading the ball around and actually completing passes, moving the chains...
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
You wonder about the Raiders looking like an actual NFL team. I am sure a college QB can do more damage than Russel. In baseball, they have the "mendoza line" where you should be able to hit for your weight. Like if you weigh 200, you should bat at least .200JaNormous on the same scale would be like hitting .061and I am being nice in comparing him to a 200 pounder.JaWalrus is the elephant in the room that you can't just ignore anymore. The Raiders could have a promotion, have taxi squad tryouts, with literally taxi drivers getting the shot to be "Raiders QB" for a day. I put down money that they cross the JaMarcus line.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
LOL at JaMarcus jersey buyers, #2 Glad I didn't buy one
He sure plays like #2
perfect number for him
He sure plays like #2
perfect number for him
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
This is just awful. It's a shame we'll never know how good any of them really could be since that organization just kills you.
FavreCo
Footballguy
Russell is horrible but I am thinking the receivers are also making him look even worse. From what I saw of the game, his passes to the TE, Miller were on the money and they weren't all (all 2 of them) short passes. The passes to the WR's weren't in the same zip code. So it could be suckage at the WR spot also. We will see if he improves once Chaz is out there. They connected late last year.
Man is he awful. All raiders are useless.
Man is he awful. All raiders are useless.
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saintfool
Dead sexy
after another brutal outing by russell, i just don't know how they can keep him as the starter. they have to bench him at some point if they have any hopes of a postseason run. i know they have no realistic chance at the playoffs but it's hard believe that fans will have the patience for yet another rebuilding year.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
dude, russell sucks.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
shhhhh.......i was mercilessly beat down, for suggesting such a thing, in the raider threads leading up to this season.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
CalBear
Footballguy
To be fair, Russell has won more games than Calvin Johnson.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
The year that they took Darren McFadden, I remember a running back I would have been glad to take. After missing out on taking uber-stud ADP.. honestly I too was worried about his knees. The guy the Raiders I thought should have gone after (trading down) was Chris Johnson. But Lane Kiffen was too in love with SEC football. If ever the Raiders should have "reached" and taken a late first rounder in the top 10, it should have been then. Not hands of stone DHB.CJ is an uberstud, and McFadden is on his way to Reggie Bush like bust status.FWIW, I think M. Bush if used right could be an uber-stud. If the Raiders don't know how to play Bush, they need to emancipate him like they did Randy Moss, and let him reach his true potential. Bush ought to be picked in round #1 of fantasy drafts. Bush > SJAX > Forte >>>>>>>>>McFadden.
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
I think they need to get there running game better on track as well
hopefully the raiders just run the ball down the texans throught this week and then get something that resembles a passing game going
are the players allowed to sacrifice chickens to the voodoo gods in the change rooms in the nfl?
or do they too have to settle for KFC?
hopefully the raiders just run the ball down the texans throught this week and then get something that resembles a passing game going
are the players allowed to sacrifice chickens to the voodoo gods in the change rooms in the nfl?
or do they too have to settle for KFC?
Wilbur Wood
Footballguy
This is the NFL and no mulligans.
How different would things be in Raider Nation had the Raiders picked Adrian Peterson in 2007 and went QB in 2008 (trade up for Ryan or go with Flacco).
Raider fans need to relax. Jamarcus Russell needs time (more time than most) to develop. He's always been the biggest and strongest kid on the team and thus not needed to worry about the finer points in the game. He's got the ideal arm for the vertical passing game that has produced such tremendous benefits for this proud franchise. Give Russell the proper training regimen, off-season workout routine and let him bond and gel with these young WRs. He's your man through the end of the 2010 season at a minimum, so support him and cheer for him and take pride in his improvements.
How different would things be in Raider Nation had the Raiders picked Adrian Peterson in 2007 and went QB in 2008 (trade up for Ryan or go with Flacco).
Raider fans need to relax. Jamarcus Russell needs time (more time than most) to develop. He's always been the biggest and strongest kid on the team and thus not needed to worry about the finer points in the game. He's got the ideal arm for the vertical passing game that has produced such tremendous benefits for this proud franchise. Give Russell the proper training regimen, off-season workout routine and let him bond and gel with these young WRs. He's your man through the end of the 2010 season at a minimum, so support him and cheer for him and take pride in his improvements.
perry147
Footballguy
He is dead last in passer rating and 5.5 points behind Jake Delhomme who is ranked 31 (39.8-45.3).Russell has the worst completion percentage in the league ten points behind Marc Bulger of the Rams (41.3-51.5). He is in a tie for the league lead in interceptions with rookie Matthew Stafford, Jake Delhomme, and Jay Cutler.In order to improve he has to have the work ethic; I do not think he possess that.
Chaka
Footballguy
Can't argue with that. Dude is stealing money right now.
habsfan
Footballguy
This sounds exactly like what every young incumbant/protege/heir apparent QB in the league does - behind a seasoned starter.
I was at the game, and kept commenting about how the only reason his balls were hitting the receivers in the hands is because his receivers were doing a great job at torquing around and getting their hands on the ball after Russell threw it behind them yet again.perry147 said:
stevegamer
Footballguy
He will throw his weight only when his weight is zero. Until then, he will not be able to achieve it, so you need to wait until he's dead, if the NFL is still around by then.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
this made me laugh
"It says a lot that Russell's 48.5 quarterback rating in Week 4 was his highest of the season,"
"It says a lot that Russell's 48.5 quarterback rating in Week 4 was his highest of the season,"
perry147
Footballguy
He is like the ******* child of David Klingler and Akili Smith only he is a Raider and not Bengal.
Again, louder... YOU CAN'T TEACH ACCURACY! You can teach some QB's how to read a defense, but Russell can't hit the broad side of a barn, and there is no solution to that.(Coaching mechanics can only take you so far. A GOOD QB needs to be able to throw from multiple platforms, meaning you need a lot of natural accuracy, which is NOT a coachable trait.)
Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
But, but...he has a BIG arm...
Banger
Footballguy
so he's improving...in another 3 or 4 years you might have something there. It was a good thing that they got rid of Garcia because they knew how bad Jamarcus was and with him on the roster people would be calling for him after week 2. Can Gradkowski or Frye be worse at this point though? Really?
RBM
Footballguy
I dont think he is interested in this part
