What is going on with Jones in GB? They resigned him (maybe just to keep Rogers happy?) but he's seemingly been a ghost in preseason. Very few targets, zero buzz and he's listed behind Jennings on the depth chart rather than behind the immortal Driver. The last couple year's his name would come up as a breakout canidate to either steal the job from Driver outright or benefit from a Driver injury, but now I'm thinking that Nelson might be the #3 guy and Jones will get the scraps. Is he even still worth a fantasy WR4 spot?
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Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
He was Bryant Johnson II on the FA market. Fortunately the teams around the league didn't bite on the sticking bait this time.
As long as Finley/Jennings/Nelson/Cobb/Driver are there healthy, he won't have value. Only because he has Rodgers would I consider him for a WR6/7 spot.
As long as Finley/Jennings/Nelson/Cobb/Driver are there healthy, he won't have value. Only because he has Rodgers would I consider him for a WR6/7 spot.
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ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
Been holding onto him for 3 years on my dynasty team, and this is the first season that I am feeling the itchy trigger finger to replace him. Re-signing with Green Bay was terrible for his value. Great offense, but way too many options for someone of his caliber (good/not great) to ever be consistent. Nelson is a free agent next year, and Driver will probably retire, but you still have Finley and Jennings clearly ahead of Jones in the pecking order for targets, and possibly even Cobb. Near-future is bleak, but the distant future does not look all that much better.
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
i think you're right on here. for this reason he still have good value in dynasty, but for the same reason it's hard to like the guy this year in redraft. it's a lottery ticket, definitely not a sure thing. but if driver goes down or retires soon, jackpot.
Problem that I think some people are dealing with is the belief, which might be true, that Nelson and Cobb are better than him (at least, if not now, soon).
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I have him..... and I'm not sure why.
It seems to me the expectation that Driver will get injured or perhaps will be escorted to the sideline in pre-retirement so JJ can battle it out with Jordy..... but no.
It seems to me the expectation that Driver will get injured or perhaps will be escorted to the sideline in pre-retirement so JJ can battle it out with Jordy..... but no.
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
Driver isn't immortal. Last year, he disappeared and the bulk of the activity went to a Jordy and James combo. Driver's time is limited. Thought I had a feel that Jordy would take over for him but I'm not so sure. I was 80/20 on this, now I'm 65/35. Still a possibility that James gets an opportunity and takes advantage. Agree that resigning in GB was not good for fantasy value at all.
Bears_Man2
Footballguy
Jordy / Jones "battle" was settled awhile ago. With Jermichael out, Driver on one leg....Guy did nothing. I believe he even fell to Wr5 during their SB run.
he's back with pack because no one else wanted him. Wouldn't be surprised if Driver outlasted him in GB
he's back with pack because no one else wanted him. Wouldn't be surprised if Driver outlasted him in GB
cr8f
Footballguy
Signed Jordy Nelson owner. Really. Teams were interested in him-just didn't guarantee him a starting WR gig. Before he could sign a lesser deal with another team (like Minnesota) Green Bay signed him. It's pre season with a super bowl team-don't read too much into it.
Bears_Man2
Footballguy
Or you could have just watched the games to see WHY Jones fell to WR5 in the most critical point of the year.He's a drop prone average talent NFL WR. Nothing more. There's probably a good reason no NFL team would hand him a starting job OR a decent contract. Because he's not worth it.
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Reepicheep
Footballguy
It's tricky with the Packers because they move the WRs all over the field. It's never as simple as two recievers means Jennings and Driver, three means Jennings, Driver, Nelson, etc. Personally I don't think Nelson or Jones will be much use this year outside of deeper leagues. They will both likely have similar numbers as last year, with the occasional big game and the occasional goose egg. Even if Driver goes down, my guess is we get a WRBC.
Here are the stats from last year, regular season and playoffs combined. I dont think its anywhere nearly as clear as you're making it out to be.Nelson: 66/862/4Jones: 61/823/7
smackdaddies
Footballguy
Jones is a starter. You did not see Jennings or Nelson all that much either. Or Driver for that matter except for one game. Rodgers will chuck the ball to Jennings and Finley, then whomever is open. Driver/Nelson/Jones will all get 35-45 recpts, TD's will vary based more on luck.
ninerfanatic492000
Footballguy
i think the word/s that comes to James Jones mind now is "whoops" or i "shoulda told carolina i'd play for the veteran minimum"
Bears_Man2
Footballguy
It's crystal clear to me. Jordy's a better WR. Better route runner and more reliable. Really the battle isn't James vs. Jordy anymore. Not sure how long the Cobb vs. James discussion will be either.
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Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
James Jones is a good player but not a starting WR... in 2012/13, he may be. He's good enough.
Plus he wrote From Here to Eternity.
Plus he wrote From Here to Eternity.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Jordy Nelson clearly the WR2 on this team now.
ninerfanatic492000
Footballguy
can we really expect this from nelson or is it this game or type of game giving him more looks? i mean he's gotten many more looks than Finley even
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Nelson lined up opposite Jennings form the start and Driver in the slot...Driver had a few catches but Nelson was dialed up when they wanted to move the ball further downfield. I think Nelson will be in a lot of folks line ups form here on out. There seems to be some serious chemistry between him and Rodgers as well IMO.
Obviously we are going to overreact some to tonight's game but Nelson could be a dark gorse now for top25 on the season...he was a 12th round pick in most leagues.
Obviously we are going to overreact some to tonight's game but Nelson could be a dark gorse now for top25 on the season...he was a 12th round pick in most leagues.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
odd man out. only even saw him in on that 'kill the clock' series...
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Maybe we need a RIP James Jones owners. His value in dynasty just went thru the floor tonight.
2012 WRs for GB
WR1-Jennings
WR2-Nelson
WR3-Cobbs
WR4/TE-Finley
Where does James Jones fit in all this?
2012 WRs for GB
WR1-Jennings
WR2-Nelson
WR3-Cobbs
WR4/TE-Finley
Where does James Jones fit in all this?
mr roboto
Footballguy
Where does Driver fit in all this.I would LOVE if Cobb was 3rd option, but I have a feeling that production will be a revolving door between Cobb and Driver, depending on coverage, situation etc.More on point, Jones is irrevelant. Maybe 30-40 catches, a couple TD's.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I think this is Driver's last season unless he can accept a vastly reduced role.
Bears_Man2
Footballguy
I think he'll be no worse than Top 25.Manningham finished in the Top 20 last year in PPR.....I see similar #'s here for Nelson. (More catches / maybe a TD or two less) Even when Driver is gone, Randall Cobb looked damn good tonight.I see Nelson putting up as good of #'s as Finley this year.
BallparkFrank
Footballguy
Jordy and Finley are both FA's after this season, no?
mr roboto
Footballguy
Yea, but he's still there. Cobb is option #2 in 2-3 years IMO. (which is why I targeted him) Right now, 3-4 option.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Nelson next year
Todem
Footballguy
RIP James Jones. Simple as that.
Unless a couple if injuries happen he he not even worth a roster spot anymore. I would hang on for 3-4 weeks unless he is your worst WR on a deep dynasty roster and you can make a good pick up. One key injury and he get's a lot more playing time. Driver is old and getting brittle, Cobb is a rookie let's not forget that.
But that is a pipe dream. Jones early in his career was looking like a future stud. But he had some killer drops last year and lost the confidence of Rodgers and the staff. He could not get signed in the open market for what he thought.
Oh well. Time to cut bait.
Unless a couple if injuries happen he he not even worth a roster spot anymore. I would hang on for 3-4 weeks unless he is your worst WR on a deep dynasty roster and you can make a good pick up. One key injury and he get's a lot more playing time. Driver is old and getting brittle, Cobb is a rookie let's not forget that.
But that is a pipe dream. Jones early in his career was looking like a future stud. But he had some killer drops last year and lost the confidence of Rodgers and the staff. He could not get signed in the open market for what he thought.
Oh well. Time to cut bait.
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habsfan
Footballguy
I thought there was the potential for Nelson to come "back down to earth" after the SB run and for some of his issues to resurface but after last night, I'm getting the sense it has "clicked". Through the play-offs and certainly last night he looked pretty sure-handed to me.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
I feel there is a lot of overeaction in this thread based on last night's game. Jones was hurting the bulk of the preseason and going into this game. RIP is a bit premature imo.
Not a Jones owner, just a GB fan.
Not a Jones owner, just a GB fan.
leave a whisper
Footballguy
Rotoworld:
James Jones - WR - Packers
The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel suggests James Jones could be "on the trade block fairly soon."
It's not clear if the coaching staff was hesitant about Jones' bruised knee, or if he's just buried at No. 4 on the depth chart with Jermichael Finley seeing time in the slot. Either way, Jones is clearly behind Jordy Nelson and Donald Driver. If another team is hit hard by injury at the position, GM Ted Thompson's phone should be ringing.
Source: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel Sep 9 - 8:31 AM
James Jones - WR - Packers
The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel suggests James Jones could be "on the trade block fairly soon."
It's not clear if the coaching staff was hesitant about Jones' bruised knee, or if he's just buried at No. 4 on the depth chart with Jermichael Finley seeing time in the slot. Either way, Jones is clearly behind Jordy Nelson and Donald Driver. If another team is hit hard by injury at the position, GM Ted Thompson's phone should be ringing.
Source: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel Sep 9 - 8:31 AM
baconisgood
Footballguy
When Driver went down last season Jones put up (counting Driver's first game back)
4/107/0
8/123/1
3/51/1
5/44/0
While Nelson put up
4/25/0
5/55/0
4/42/0
3/20/0
And everyone thought that Jones was the heir apparent and Nelson would be behind him for ever. Nelson regular season catch high last year was 5 and he had 1 big game- 4/124/1 vs NYG- and his 2nd best game was 5/61/1 and he had 12 games with less than 50 yards receiving.
Nelson and Jones EACH had 3 games last year with 0 or 1 reception.
Obviously last night's game was another point in favor of Nelson- but this hasn't been a team that goes out there and simply feeds 2 WRs. It vacillates between players. Jennings gets his but it is still to early to proclaim a #2, if Jones barely sees the field in week 2 that would be another strong indicator, but 1 game (or even 2 counting the SB) is not enough to really say anything about this offense.
To highlight this in 2004 for the Pats a 24 year old David Givens lead the team in receiving with 56/874/3 and had 12/104/3 in 3 playoff games and he looked like he could be the #1 WR they were looking for. Instead it was a 26 year old Branch who lead the team in receiving the next season (obviously Givens had some injury issues).
Neither of them was on the 2006 Pats.
Things can change really quickly in the NFL- with Nelson and Finley FAs, Driver in his twighlight years and Cobb inexperienced Jones could still be worth a stash in dynasty. Not a great one, but not a cut for a random "what the heck" bench player.
4/107/0
8/123/1
3/51/1
5/44/0
While Nelson put up
4/25/0
5/55/0
4/42/0
3/20/0
And everyone thought that Jones was the heir apparent and Nelson would be behind him for ever. Nelson regular season catch high last year was 5 and he had 1 big game- 4/124/1 vs NYG- and his 2nd best game was 5/61/1 and he had 12 games with less than 50 yards receiving.
Nelson and Jones EACH had 3 games last year with 0 or 1 reception.
Obviously last night's game was another point in favor of Nelson- but this hasn't been a team that goes out there and simply feeds 2 WRs. It vacillates between players. Jennings gets his but it is still to early to proclaim a #2, if Jones barely sees the field in week 2 that would be another strong indicator, but 1 game (or even 2 counting the SB) is not enough to really say anything about this offense.
To highlight this in 2004 for the Pats a 24 year old David Givens lead the team in receiving with 56/874/3 and had 12/104/3 in 3 playoff games and he looked like he could be the #1 WR they were looking for. Instead it was a 26 year old Branch who lead the team in receiving the next season (obviously Givens had some injury issues).
Neither of them was on the 2006 Pats.
Things can change really quickly in the NFL- with Nelson and Finley FAs, Driver in his twighlight years and Cobb inexperienced Jones could still be worth a stash in dynasty. Not a great one, but not a cut for a random "what the heck" bench player.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
After last night, I would drop Jones immediately if most people have not already. Seems obvious that the WR pecking order right now is Jennings, Nelson, Driver, Cobb, Jones. I expect Cobb to take over the 3 spot by mid-season. There simply has to be a much better option on the WW.
az_prof
Footballguy
They re-signed him because he knows the system, Driver is old and Cobb is young. But seriously, Jones has never been that good. And guys who have problems hanging onto the ball by the time they reach the Pros almost never cure that problem. Jones is a deep backup and insurance for injury. He is droppable in all formats as far as I am concerned.
Reepicheep
Footballguy
I would still consider Jones first on the chopping block in a redraft though. Nevermind the "with this guy or that guy out" stats. Nelson just put up 6/77/1 with Driver, Finley, and Grant all in the game.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Touchdown There
Footballguy
Jones is now waiver wire material. He will produce only if others are injured. Jordy Nelson is the guy to own.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Is this actually the week 1 overeaction thread beginning already?
Touchdown There
Footballguy
James Jones did not play until the 4th quarter. Did you start him in your league?
saw in Twitter-land that JJ played 20 snaps last night. Cobb had 7 snaps.
GB went 3 WR more than 50% of the time, but the three are Jennings/Driver/Nelson.
So IMHO, JJ has very little value unless a WR in front of him gets hurt... and he may have to worry about Cobb starting to eat into his snaps/opportunities.
It makes sense to trade JJ and get what they can, but should probably wait a week or two to see which team has the need and will pay.
GB went 3 WR more than 50% of the time, but the three are Jennings/Driver/Nelson.
So IMHO, JJ has very little value unless a WR in front of him gets hurt... and he may have to worry about Cobb starting to eat into his snaps/opportunities.
It makes sense to trade JJ and get what they can, but should probably wait a week or two to see which team has the need and will pay.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
As mentioned earlier, not an owner, just a GB fan.If you look at the GB WR game logs from last year you will find that it can be a crapshoot between the likes of Driver, Nelson, and Jones. Even Jennings will be ignored some weeks. I just think some folks are overeacting a bit. It could all change next week.
The Future Champs
Footballguy
An opponent in a $ league did start him - while I left Nelson on my bench. Bonus- he drafted Jones right before I grabbed Nelson.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Assuming that you think the WR pecking order is going to change. Sure, Jones could work himself up to the GB WR3 spot in theory. If folks are that attached to Jones, have fun with that. I play FF to win, not to have an attacment to players or to hold onto players hoping that they prove me right eventually.
az_prof
Footballguy
Roberts has opportunity and upside; Jones has neither. Players who have been in the league as long as Jones do not get that much better very often. He is what he is. And his opportunity is not likely to improve, ever.Roberts is in his second year; improvement is still a possibility. And he won the WR2 job on his team. Upside and opportunity.
