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Is Cook the next Gates or maybe the next Vernon Davis?
Meaning elite physical measurables for a TE3rd round pick...how could he be like V. Davis who was drafted quite high in the 1st?
If he turns out to be even average, he wont have a problem beating those two out for the job.That and he is a project who is behind Scaife and Crumpler.
Maybe not Gonzo although where was Gates drafted?He was a late third round pick, so he's almost certainly going to be a bust if you're expecting the next big thing.
Too many offensive weapons in Buffalo for Nelson to have a top TE impact, besides the fact I don't feel Buffalo's offensive coordinator knows how to utilize the TE position effectively... No knock on Nelson's talent, but I really don't like the team he ended up on for fantasy production...Shawn Nelson is where it's at.![]()
While I would disagree about Cooley and Daniels being in the top five TEs in the league right now, to your larger point:There have been 94 TEs drafted outside of the first two rounds between 2000 and 2007. The three you listed are the only TEs to make the Pro Bowl. So if 3% of TEs drafted outside of the first two rounds have the sort of success you're envisioning, I would agree that he "almost certainly" won't reach that.That said, I like Cook a lot.Maybe not Gonzo although where was Gates drafted?He was a late third round pick, so he's almost certainly going to be a bust if you're expecting the next big thing.Witten - 3.69Cooley - 3.81Daniels - 4.983 of the best TEs in the league right now were drafted in the 3rd or 4th. Gonzo and Dallas Clark are the only true big-things drafted earlier right now. KW should be, but hasn't consistently been there. Even if you include him, over half the top TEs were 3rd round picks or lower.I think you're right to a degree, he's unlikely to be a top 5 TE, but top 10 is easily within reach if he works at it. Scaife and Alge aren't going to stop him.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Scaife in his contract year?As for Crumpler he didn't provide much of anything last year, if Cook steps up I think he'll have no problems jumping him in the pecking order for snaps.If he takes advantage of his opportunity (and all of the above is true) he should be the #1 entering 2010.That and he is a project who is behind Scaife and Crumpler.
I like Rod Bironas as much as the next guy, but I don't think the Titans want their kicker to be the guy who can catch everything. They are probably hoping the WRs and TEs possess that skill.You have to look at the situation too. Atleast in our scoring system, Bo Scaife lead the Titans in receiving fantasy points. Players like Gonzo and Gates have similar situations. Both on teams where the TE is better than the WRs. Tennessee also focuses on the TE position, typically using 2 TE sets, with a blocking TE and a receiving TE. At the very least, Cook will give them a big physical mismatch to throw at the opposing defense. The kicker I think is the guy can catch everything. That is what can make or break WRs/TEs. He also has basketball in his background, which is another plus as you learn the subtleties of boxing out people for the catch. I do however figure he won't amount to much in 2009. It will take him a year of coaching up to refine his route running and get alittle blocking skills. (but for fantasy, you want catching TEs anyhow) Also, Bo Scaife is on his way out, along with Crumpler. I wouldn't be surprised if both those guys are released after this season due to contract issues and age respectively. So in the end, this seemed like a future move by Tennessee. Grab one of the most physically talented TEs in this draft, work with him a year and in 2010 he will become their primary pass catching TE.
If Cook doesn't prove himself I'd think Scaife would be re-signed, he may be re-signed regardless.Don't get me wrong, I like Scaife, and will be keeping the un-sexy guy in one of my dyno's but I don't think he has a solid TE1 ceiling. He's a nice guy you can feel safe throwing out there and getting at least 4 catches/50 yds most weeks but speaking from an owner who currently has him as their #1 I'd like a better week-to-week option and use him as a backup instead.Fantasy-wise, Scaife staying in Tennessee may be best. He's basically the default #1 in the passing game, if he went elsewhere I doubt he'd be more than #3, if that.Why no love for Scaife? He is only 28 and I think just coming into his prime. His targets have gone up every year reaching a max of 84 in '08. The biggest knock I can see against him is his lack of TD's. As a previous poster said, Scaife will probably be gone after this season, but if he goes to a team who has a need for a pass catching TE and uses the TE in the system, he could easily be a tier 2 TE.
He went at 2.07 and 2.14 in my drafts so far. That's a surprisingly long way for him to fall.I think Cook has talent, and I think the Scheffler comparison is apt. Tennessee is a fine spot for him, and if nothing else he should match Scaife numbers next year, which were top-15 last year. I suspect they'll ditch Crumpler and Scaife both in the offseason.Just picked up Jared Cook at 4.7 in a rookie draft. When someone gave up a ton to move up to 4.6 I was worried, then they took Stephen McGee?![]()
For the second year in a row, the Titans got a speedy, unusual, offensive difference maker.To say that Jared Cook is a "good athlete" is understating what Jared Cook is. Jared Cook is a once a year freakish type of great athlete.He's a good athlete and figures to succeed (if he succeeds) in the Scheffler mold as a pure receiving TE, but he's got some strikes against him:
- like Scheffler, his blocking is suspect and so that might work to limit the time spent on the field or the packages he's in;
- he's not on a team known much for throwing the football, unlike Scheffler (at least up to now);
- wasn't his focus/concentration questioned?
He probably has the highest fantasy upside among TE's, but he's also got a lot to overcome.
Freakish athletes to me, in the NFL, are a dime a dozen. Tell me what his work ethic is, can he take on a DE in the running game. Is he going to be a polished route runner? I drafted him yes, but TEs get overhyped and bust so often that its hard to be convinced until you see it happen.For the second year in a row, the Titans got a speedy, unusual, offensive difference maker.To say that Jared Cook is a "good athlete" is understating what Jared Cook is. Jared Cook is a once a year freakish type of great athlete.He's a good athlete and figures to succeed (if he succeeds) in the Scheffler mold as a pure receiving TE, but he's got some strikes against him:
- like Scheffler, his blocking is suspect and so that might work to limit the time spent on the field or the packages he's in;
- he's not on a team known much for throwing the football, unlike Scheffler (at least up to now);
- wasn't his focus/concentration questioned?
He probably has the highest fantasy upside among TE's, but he's also got a lot to overcome.
He has run in the 4.3s and has a 40+ inch vertical at 6'5" and 250. He is much, much, much more explosive than Tony Scheffler.
He jumped higher than all but two wide receivers at the combine. He jumped higher than all but two cornerbacks at the combine. He jumped higher than all but one running back.
I know it is a longshot and I am not optimistic about it happening, but let's say that Vince Young "turns his hat around" and gets his mind right. Imagine a Titans offense suited to Vince Young's strengths that incorporated the mixed athletic potentials of Chris Johnson and Jared Cook. A creative offensive coordinator should have a field day with these three. It wouldn't be traditional, but it would be fun to watch.
I am not a Vince Young fan and I think he is very limited with what he can do, but people are far too down on him. Don't write up a Troy Aikman offense for him. Look at what Miami is trying to do down the road with Pat White as an example of what could be with even a whisper of offensive creativity out of the Titans.
This is the key. I can see the Vernon Davis comparison, but I also see Antonio Gates. It will all come down to his work ethic and attitude. If he comes in expecting to start over Bo, he's in for a long, disappointing year. If he comes in and works, I'll beFreakish athletes to me, in the NFL, are a dime a dozen. Tell me what his work ethic is, can he take on a DE in the running game. Is he going to be a polished route runner? I drafted him yes, but TEs get overhyped and bust so often that its hard to be convinced until you see it happen.For the second year in a row, the Titans got a speedy, unusual, offensive difference maker.To say that Jared Cook is a "good athlete" is understating what Jared Cook is. Jared Cook is a once a year freakish type of great athlete.He's a good athlete and figures to succeed (if he succeeds) in the Scheffler mold as a pure receiving TE, but he's got some strikes against him:
- like Scheffler, his blocking is suspect and so that might work to limit the time spent on the field or the packages he's in;
- he's not on a team known much for throwing the football, unlike Scheffler (at least up to now);
- wasn't his focus/concentration questioned?
He probably has the highest fantasy upside among TE's, but he's also got a lot to overcome.
He has run in the 4.3s and has a 40+ inch vertical at 6'5" and 250. He is much, much, much more explosive than Tony Scheffler.
He jumped higher than all but two wide receivers at the combine. He jumped higher than all but two cornerbacks at the combine. He jumped higher than all but one running back.
I know it is a longshot and I am not optimistic about it happening, but let's say that Vince Young "turns his hat around" and gets his mind right. Imagine a Titans offense suited to Vince Young's strengths that incorporated the mixed athletic potentials of Chris Johnson and Jared Cook. A creative offensive coordinator should have a field day with these three. It wouldn't be traditional, but it would be fun to watch.
I am not a Vince Young fan and I think he is very limited with what he can do, but people are far too down on him. Don't write up a Troy Aikman offense for him. Look at what Miami is trying to do down the road with Pat White as an example of what could be with even a whisper of offensive creativity out of the Titans.
So basically he's a rookie with potential to be great?Titans second-round pick Jared Cook has combined outstanding catches with "bad drops" and moments when he's seemed "overwhelmed" during OTAs.
Coordinator Mike Heimerdinger wants to use the rookie similar to how he used Shannon Sharpe in Denver, but Cook is far from a finished product. He's also third on the depth chart behind Bo Scaife and Alge Crumpler.
Source: Nashville Tennessean
Jared Cook to me has Randy McMichael written all over him. I drafted McMichael as a rookie and picked up Cook this year by trading up to get him in a rookie draft. in 2002, McMichael stepped into a great situation after leaving school and so looks like Cook. Cook however doesnt have the clear path to playing time that McMichael had because of Bo Scaife but I think they are spelling the end of Crumpler with theselection. Cook may not become teh blocker that McMichael became three years into his career in Miami but he has a chance to put up the receptions and touchdownsWhile I would disagree about Cooley and Daniels being in the top five TEs in the league right now, to your larger point:There have been 94 TEs drafted outside of the first two rounds between 2000 and 2007. The three you listed are the only TEs to make the Pro Bowl. So if 3% of TEs drafted outside of the first two rounds have the sort of success you're envisioning, I would agree that he "almost certainly" won't reach that.That said, I like Cook a lot.Maybe not Gonzo although where was Gates drafted?He was a late third round pick, so he's almost certainly going to be a bust if you're expecting the next big thing.Witten - 3.69Cooley - 3.81Daniels - 4.983 of the best TEs in the league right now were drafted in the 3rd or 4th. Gonzo and Dallas Clark are the only true big-things drafted earlier right now. KW should be, but hasn't consistently been there. Even if you include him, over half the top TEs were 3rd round picks or lower.I think you're right to a degree, he's unlikely to be a top 5 TE, but top 10 is easily within reach if he works at it. Scaife and Alge aren't going to stop him.
That would be impressive.It is at least nice to hear how the OC wants to use him.Titans second-round pick Jared Cook has combined outstanding catches with "bad drops" and moments when he's seemed "overwhelmed" during OTAs.
Coordinator Mike Heimerdinger wants to use the rookie similar to how he used Shannon Sharpe in Denver, but Cook is far from a finished product. He's also third on the depth chart behind Bo Scaife and Alge Crumpler.
Source: Nashville Tennessean
I would have thought anyone would be hard pressed to find a bigger man crush for Cook than me, but I musttherokie0070 said:Bo and Crumpler are both in their contract year!!! Jared cook will do nothing this year but learn and absorb from Crumpler who has taken him under his wing, however if Bo gets hurt he may get thrown in sooner than later. Next year Crumpler is gone and as long as Cook has developed well they will release Bo or let him back up the 2010 3rd best FF TE in the NFL behind Gates and Witten. This is my prediction and FF is all about gambling on the next best thing, this is what separates the contenders from the guys that lose in the first round of the playoffs every year so go ahead and draft Pettigrew over Cook and be stuck with mediocre for the next 6 yearsLast note someone said Freakish athletes to me, in the NFL, are a dime a dozen. Well I can’t remember the last TE that ran a 4.3 and has a 40+ inch vertical at 6'5" and 250; the guy is Chris Johnson in a DE body!!! I feel sorry for the CB and SS that gets tasked with stopping this guy if he breaks one into the secondary
Now we just need a Johnny Knox is the next Steve Smith thread and i'll feel really good about my rookie draft.I would have thought anyone would be hard pressed to find a bigger man crush for Cook than me, but I musttherokie0070 said:Bo and Crumpler are both in their contract year!!! Jared cook will do nothing this year but learn and absorb from Crumpler who has taken him under his wing, however if Bo gets hurt he may get thrown in sooner than later. Next year Crumpler is gone and as long as Cook has developed well they will release Bo or let him back up the 2010 3rd best FF TE in the NFL behind Gates and Witten. This is my prediction and FF is all about gambling on the next best thing, this is what separates the contenders from the guys that lose in the first round of the playoffs every year so go ahead and draft Pettigrew over Cook and be stuck with mediocre for the next 6 yearsLast note someone said Freakish athletes to me, in the NFL, are a dime a dozen. Well I can’t remember the last TE that ran a 4.3 and has a 40+ inch vertical at 6'5" and 250; the guy is Chris Johnson in a DE body!!! I feel sorry for the CB and SS that gets tasked with stopping this guy if he breaks one into the secondaryand crawl back into the hole from which I came.
not the next steve smith but how about this years Eddie Royal!!!!Now we just need a Johnny Knox is the next Steve Smith thread and i'll feel really good about my rookie draft.I would have thought anyone would be hard pressed to find a bigger man crush for Cook than me, but I mustBo and Crumpler are both in their contract year!!! Jared cook will do nothing this year but learn and absorb from Crumpler who has taken him under his wing, however if Bo gets hurt he may get thrown in sooner than later. Next year Crumpler is gone and as long as Cook has developed well they will release Bo or let him back up the 2010 3rd best FF TE in the NFL behind Gates and Witten. This is my prediction and FF is all about gambling on the next best thing, this is what separates the contenders from the guys that lose in the first round of the playoffs every year so go ahead and draft Pettigrew over Cook and be stuck with mediocre for the next 6 yearsLast note someone said Freakish athletes to me, in the NFL, are a dime a dozen. Well I can’t remember the last TE that ran a 4.3 and has a 40+ inch vertical at 6'5" and 250; the guy is Chris Johnson in a DE body!!! I feel sorry for the CB and SS that gets tasked with stopping this guy if he breaks one into the secondaryand crawl back into the hole from which I came.
TEN - RB Jared Cook could have an early impactSource: Paul Kuharsky - ESPN.comPaul Kuharsky, from ESPN.com, reports if Titans rookie TE Jared Cook keeps doing what he's been doing, the Titans will have a hard time not using him in Pittsburgh on opening night. Right now, if you list the team's three most dynamic weapons on offense, I am certain Johnson is No. 1, feel confident putting Washington second and don't feel like I am stretching to place Cook third.[ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ OUR VIEW ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]Jared Cook may never be confused for a traditional tight end, but the demands of the position is changing and Cook is an extremely athletic weapon. While in college his coach Steve Spurrier compared his athletic ability to that of Calvin Johnson. Cook plays like a big receiver, and while he may struggle blocking, he creates mismatches every time he's on the field because he's too big for a safety to cover and too fast for a linebacker to cover.TEN - TE Jared Cook impressing and lining up at receiverSource: Gary Estwick - The TennesseanGary Estwick, of The Tennessean, reports Tennessee Titans rookie TE Jared Cook is a lean, athletic, tall tight end and is grabbing balls out of the air during training camp. His play has been turning heads, and is giving the Titans a lot to consider in the passing game this year. He has been lining up at wide receiver a lot with the Titans, but the coaches want him to continue picking up the offense and improving his blocking.[ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ OUR VIEW ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]Cook is the most physically talented pass catcher on the Titans roster, and he could force himself into a role in his rookie season with a good camp.
Great to hear.FUBAR said:TEN - RB Jared Cook could have an early impactSource: Paul Kuharsky - ESPN.comPaul Kuharsky, from ESPN.com, reports if Titans rookie TE Jared Cook keeps doing what he's been doing, the Titans will have a hard time not using him in Pittsburgh on opening night. Right now, if you list the team's three most dynamic weapons on offense, I am certain Johnson is No. 1, feel confident putting Washington second and don't feel like I am stretching to place Cook third.[ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ OUR VIEW ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]Jared Cook may never be confused for a traditional tight end, but the demands of the position is changing and Cook is an extremely athletic weapon. While in college his coach Steve Spurrier compared his athletic ability to that of Calvin Johnson. Cook plays like a big receiver, and while he may struggle blocking, he creates mismatches every time he's on the field because he's too big for a safety to cover and too fast for a linebacker to cover.TEN - TE Jared Cook impressing and lining up at receiverSource: Gary Estwick - The TennesseanGary Estwick, of The Tennessean, reports Tennessee Titans rookie TE Jared Cook is a lean, athletic, tall tight end and is grabbing balls out of the air during training camp. His play has been turning heads, and is giving the Titans a lot to consider in the passing game this year. He has been lining up at wide receiver a lot with the Titans, but the coaches want him to continue picking up the offense and improving his blocking.[ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ OUR VIEW ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]Cook is the most physically talented pass catcher on the Titans roster, and he could force himself into a role in his rookie season with a good camp.![]()
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Thanks again man.maccabees said:Cook,I love this guy and have him in all my leagues,from the newspapers and blogs that I've read he's having a very good camp
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They are hyping this guy pretty good. I wonder how fantasy viable he can be with Collins chucking it, and Sciafe there.Biabreakable said:Any more tidbits being leaked out of Tennesse?