Jason Heyward (1 Viewer)

[derek245583]

 

[Doctor Detroit]

On MLB network they were all talking about the buzz about Heyward, by his fellow players. Forgot who said it (Leiter?) but they were saying they hadn't seen anything like it except for two other times in the past 25 years. Once in 1989, once in 2001. I thought that statement to be quite incredible.

 

[Tiger Fan]

On MLB network they were all talking about the buzz about Heyward, by his fellow players. Forgot who said it (Leiter?) but they were saying they hadn't seen anything like it except for two other times in the past 25 years. Once in 1989, once in 2001. I thought that statement to be quite incredible.

who were they referring to?

 

[DevilsTrifecta]

On MLB network they were all talking about the buzz about Heyward, by his fellow players. Forgot who said it (Leiter?) but they were saying they hadn't seen anything like it except for two other times in the past 25 years. Once in 1989, once in 2001. I thought that statement to be quite incredible.

who were they referring to?

Griffey, Jr. and Pujols?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

On MLB network they were all talking about the buzz about Heyward, by his fellow players. Forgot who said it (Leiter?) but they were saying they hadn't seen anything like it except for two other times in the past 25 years. Once in 1989, once in 2001. I thought that statement to be quite incredible.

who were they referring to?

Griffey, Jr. and Pujols?

Yep

 

[DevilsTrifecta]

On MLB network they were all talking about the buzz about Heyward, by his fellow players. Forgot who said it (Leiter?) but they were saying they hadn't seen anything like it except for two other times in the past 25 years. Once in 1989, once in 2001. I thought that statement to be quite incredible.

who were they referring to?

Griffey, Jr. and Pujols?

Yep

Damn that's good company. If Junior Griffey was healthy his whole career he sets all time HR record.

 

[shadyridr]

On MLB network they were all talking about the buzz about Heyward, by his fellow players. Forgot who said it (Leiter?) but they were saying they hadn't seen anything like it except for two other times in the past 25 years. Once in 1989, once in 2001. I thought that statement to be quite incredible.

who were they referring to?

Griffey, Jr. and Pujols?

Yep

I dont remember Pujols having this much hype. Didnt he basically come out of nowhere his first year?

 

[DevilsTrifecta]

On MLB network they were all talking about the buzz about Heyward, by his fellow players. Forgot who said it (Leiter?) but they were saying they hadn't seen anything like it except for two other times in the past 25 years. Once in 1989, once in 2001. I thought that statement to be quite incredible.

who were they referring to?

Griffey, Jr. and Pujols?

Yep

I dont remember Pujols having this much hype. Didnt he basically come out of nowhere his first year?

The media may not have known him but the players did.

 

[shadyridr]

The media may not have known him but the players did.

Ah, I thought Leiter was talking about media-hype. ok

 

[Eephus]

The media may not have known him but the players did.

Ah, I thought Leiter was talking about media-hype. ok

Baseball America rated Pujols as the #42 prospect prior to his 2001 rookie campaign.

 

[shadyridr]

The media may not have known him but the players did.

Ah, I thought Leiter was talking about media-hype. ok

Baseball America rated Pujols as the #42 prospect prior to his 2001 rookie campaign.

Exactly. He came out of nowhere.

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

I dont remember Pujols having this much hype. Didnt he basically come out of nowhere his first year?

LaRussa gave the final spot on the roster that year to Chad Hutchinson, and only after Hutchinson blew out his elbow did Pujols get his shot.

 

[shadyridr]

Exactly. I love all this revisionist history here.

 

[DevilsTrifecta]

I dont remember Pujols having this much hype. Didnt he basically come out of nowhere his first year?

LaRussa gave the final spot on the roster that year to Chad Hutchinson, and only after Hutchinson blew out his elbow did Pujols get his shot.

But remember how LaRussa manages. He is purely a stats guy. He is not a big raw talent guy. Players recognize raw talent far more than a guy like LaRussa would.

 

[Eephus]

I dont remember Pujols having this much hype. Didnt he basically come out of nowhere his first year?

LaRussa gave the final spot on the roster that year to Chad Hutchinson, and only after Hutchinson blew out his elbow did Pujols get his shot.

But remember how LaRussa manages. He is purely a stats guy. He is not a big raw talent guy. Players recognize raw talent far more than a guy like LaRussa would.

I suspect some of the players in the Cardinals camp had an idea of Pujols' talent. He had climbed through three levels of the minors in 2000. But why would other players follow minor league prospects in other organizations?

 

[DropKick]

Somebody needs to get a count-up to 3,00 hits going...

 

[DevilsTrifecta]

I dont remember Pujols having this much hype. Didnt he basically come out of nowhere his first year?

LaRussa gave the final spot on the roster that year to Chad Hutchinson, and only after Hutchinson blew out his elbow did Pujols get his shot.

But remember how LaRussa manages. He is purely a stats guy. He is not a big raw talent guy. Players recognize raw talent far more than a guy like LaRussa would.

I suspect some of the players in the Cardinals camp had an idea of Pujols' talent. He had climbed through three levels of the minors in 2000. But why would other players follow minor league prospects in other organizations?

You think players don't talk to their buddies?

 

[shadyridr]

I dont remember Pujols having this much hype. Didnt he basically come out of nowhere his first year?

LaRussa gave the final spot on the roster that year to Chad Hutchinson, and only after Hutchinson blew out his elbow did Pujols get his shot.

But remember how LaRussa manages. He is purely a stats guy. He is not a big raw talent guy. Players recognize raw talent far more than a guy like LaRussa would.

Seriously?

 

[derek245583]

Somebody needs to get a count-up to 3,00 hits going...

3K??I was thinking 4,257 hits

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I dont remember Pujols having this much hype. Didnt he basically come out of nowhere his first year?

LaRussa gave the final spot on the roster that year to Chad Hutchinson, and only after Hutchinson blew out his elbow did Pujols get his shot.

But remember how LaRussa manages. He is purely a stats guy. He is not a big raw talent guy. Players recognize raw talent far more than a guy like LaRussa would.

I suspect some of the players in the Cardinals camp had an idea of Pujols' talent. He had climbed through three levels of the minors in 2000. But why would other players follow minor league prospects in other organizations?

They were talking about spring training of 2001 and the talk around the league by players who watched him that spring. Please do not do a Shadyridr here.

 

[Eephus]

I dont remember Pujols having this much hype. Didnt he basically come out of nowhere his first year?

LaRussa gave the final spot on the roster that year to Chad Hutchinson, and only after Hutchinson blew out his elbow did Pujols get his shot.

But remember how LaRussa manages. He is purely a stats guy. He is not a big raw talent guy. Players recognize raw talent far more than a guy like LaRussa would.

I suspect some of the players in the Cardinals camp had an idea of Pujols' talent. He had climbed through three levels of the minors in 2000. But why would other players follow minor league prospects in other organizations?

They were talking about spring training of 2001 and the talk around the league by players who watched him that spring. Please do not do a Shadyridr here.

Revisionism like that would have you shoveling dung in the Cultural Revolution

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Revisionism like that would have you shoveling dung in the Cultural Revolution

I doubt it, Pujols couldn't even speak English.

 

[TitusIII]

Solid prospect, hopefully he realizes most of that massive potential. Mos Def has a few 30HR seasons in him, anything more than that is gravy. Reminds me of Derrick Lee mixed with a little Griffey and Mauer...swing wise...welcome to the Show!

 

[DevilsTrifecta]

I dont remember Pujols having this much hype. Didnt he basically come out of nowhere his first year?

LaRussa gave the final spot on the roster that year to Chad Hutchinson, and only after Hutchinson blew out his elbow did Pujols get his shot.

But remember how LaRussa manages. He is purely a stats guy. He is not a big raw talent guy. Players recognize raw talent far more than a guy like LaRussa would.

Seriously?

Yeah. I don't really think much of LaRussa. He is a pure statistics guy who has been blessed with some good teams.

 

[shadyridr]

I dont remember Pujols having this much hype. Didnt he basically come out of nowhere his first year?

LaRussa gave the final spot on the roster that year to Chad Hutchinson, and only after Hutchinson blew out his elbow did Pujols get his shot.

But remember how LaRussa manages. He is purely a stats guy. He is not a big raw talent guy. Players recognize raw talent far more than a guy like LaRussa would.

Seriously?

Yeah. I don't really think much of LaRussa. He is a pure statistics guy who has been blessed with some good teams.

Many consider the 2006 WS Champion Cardinals to be the worst team to ever win the WS

 

[LHUCKS]

Baseball needs Heyward...I hope he lives up to the hype.

 

[DevilsTrifecta]

Many consider the 2006 WS Champion Cardinals to be the worst team to ever win the WS

Judging by their record you can make that case. But don't forget how hot that team started before injuries and Marquis's annual second half collapse.Helps they played the Tigers and their pitching really stepped it up in the playoffs.Wasn't Pujols MVP that year?

 

[Ghost Rider]

Many consider the 2006 WS Champion Cardinals to be the worst team to ever win the WS

Judging by their record you can make that case. But don't forget how hot that team started before injuries and Marquis's annual second half collapse.Helps they played the Tigers and their pitching really stepped it up in the playoffs.

The '06 Cardinals were wrecked with injuries for much of the second half of the season, but got healthy right when the playoffs started...and look what happened. The '06 team, at least at the core, was the same as the ones that won over 100 games in both '04 and '05, so while I can see someone pointing to their record and calling them the worst champion ever, if you dig beneath the surface, they weren't. Either way, I'll take being the worst champion over being a great team that didn't win the title (like the '04 and '05 teams) any day of the week. And that Tigers team was no slouch, so I don't see how them being their WS opponent diminishes their achievement at all. You don't win 95 regular season games by accident.

 

[DevilsTrifecta]

Many consider the 2006 WS Champion Cardinals to be the worst team to ever win the WS

Judging by their record you can make that case. But don't forget how hot that team started before injuries and Marquis's annual second half collapse.Helps they played the Tigers and their pitching really stepped it up in the playoffs.

The '06 Cardinals were wrecked with injuries for much of the second half of the season, but got healthy right when the playoffs started...and look what happened. The '06 team, at least at the core, was the same as the ones that won over 100 games in both '04 and '05, so while I can see someone pointing to their record and calling them the worst champion ever, if you dig beneath the surface, they weren't. Either way, I'll take being the worst champion over being a great team that didn't win the title (like the '04 and '05 teams) any day of the week. And that Tigers team was no slouch, so I don't see how them being their WS opponent diminishes their achievement at all. You don't win 95 regular season games by accident.

They played pretty poorly at the end of the season.....but yeah you're right they were no slouch.

 

[Oh Yes!]

man, i offered morneau and marmol for heyward and hamels and was shot down.

 

[fred_1_15301]

man, i offered morneau and marmol for heyward and hamels and was shot down.

I guess it depends on the respective rosters but I'm pretty sure I would never make that trade either.

 

[Eephus]

man, i offered morneau and marmol for heyward and hamels and was shot down.

I guess it depends on the respective rosters but I'm pretty sure I would never make that trade either.

It's a seller's market for Heyward right now. Redraft owners are people who have bought into the hype and dynasty owners have been waiting for him and want to see some return. I'm in the latter group.If you want him now, you'll either have to overpay now or wait to see if he hits a rookie wall and put together a deal then.

 

[fred_1_15301]

man, i offered morneau and marmol for heyward and hamels and was shot down.

I guess it depends on the respective rosters but I'm pretty sure I would never make that trade either.

It's a seller's market for Heyward right now. Redraft owners are people who have bought into the hype and dynasty owners have been waiting for him and want to see some return. I'm in the latter group.If you want him now, you'll either have to overpay now or wait to see if he hits a rookie wall and put together a deal then.

I agree. Thats why I think he needs to give up more than Morneau and Marmol for Heyward and Hamels. Of course I also believe that Hamels is going to have a bounce back year.

 

[eoMMan]

Jason Heyward's tears cure cancer. Too bad he has never cried.

 

[Oh Yes!]

man, i offered morneau and marmol for heyward and hamels and was shot down.

I guess it depends on the respective rosters but I'm pretty sure I would never make that trade either.

It's a seller's market for Heyward right now. Redraft owners are people who have bought into the hype and dynasty owners have been waiting for him and want to see some return. I'm in the latter group.If you want him now, you'll either have to overpay now or wait to see if he hits a rookie wall and put together a deal then.

I agree. Thats why I think he needs to give up more than Morneau and Marmol for Heyward and Hamels. Of course I also believe that Hamels is going to have a bounce back year.

in my league heyward could be kept for about 2-3 more years before hes too expensive. that being said, i countered with: A Rod and Marmol for Halladay and Heywardhe needs hitting, i need a starter. A Rod is keepable next year, Halladay is not. this was also shot down.

 

[shadyridr]

man, i offered morneau and marmol for heyward and hamels and was shot down.

I guess it depends on the respective rosters but I'm pretty sure I would never make that trade either.

It's a seller's market for Heyward right now. Redraft owners are people who have bought into the hype and dynasty owners have been waiting for him and want to see some return. I'm in the latter group.If you want him now, you'll either have to overpay now or wait to see if he hits a rookie wall and put together a deal then.

I agree. Thats why I think he needs to give up more than Morneau and Marmol for Heyward and Hamels. Of course I also believe that Hamels is going to have a bounce back year.

in my league heyward could be kept for about 2-3 more years before hes too expensive. that being said, i countered with: A Rod and Marmol for Halladay and Heywardhe needs hitting, i need a starter. A Rod is keepable next year, Halladay is not. this was also shot down.

Your first offer was beyond horrible. So is your second one.

 

[Green94]

Dr. D > hey

 

[Tiger Fan]

 

[Green94]

 

[Oh Yes!]

Your first offer was beyond horrible. So is your second one.

not really considering this guy has beltre at 3rd and has hamels, halladay, cain, gallardo, and lester. guy is obviously horribly weak on offense and needs Arod to contend this year. not to mention hamels blows and his only closers are nunez and fran. cordero.

 

[Oh Yes!]

Your first offer was beyond horrible. So is your second one.

not really considering this guy has beltre at 3rd and has hamels, halladay, cain, gallardo, and lester. guy is obviously horribly weak on offense and needs Arod to contend this year. not to mention hamels blows and his only closers are nunez and fran. cordero.

i wouldnt offer this trade again, myself. Arod is still keepable next year.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Boy does the ball jump off his bat, this guy just sold a ticket at Citi field, I want to watch him take BP

 

[Polecat]

Andruw Jones...but his mother was a better speller.

 

[Tiger Fan]

another HR

 

[Txns8]

Left today's game with a groin injury. A HOF career derailed. Move along...

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Tony Conigliaro part II

 

[derek245583]

Looks like 73 HR's and 191 RBI's is safe for 2010

 

[Sam Quentin]

The countup to 3000 hits starts here

 

[Raider Nation]

How in the hell does he not trip over his pants while rounding the bases.

 

[derek245583]

The assault on the record books has once again resumed....