Jason Hill - Sleeper? (1 Viewer)

[Thomsen]

So the Jags released MSW and signed Hill to a 2-year contract. Allthough the Jags pass offense isn't spectacular by any means, he could get quite a few targets. He showed promise last year, and I think I remember Waldman liking him pre-draft?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

So the Jags released MSW and signed Hill to a 2-year contract. Allthough the Jags pass offense isn't spectacular by any means, he could get quite a few targets. He showed promise last year, and I think I remember Waldman liking him pre-draft?

I'm not sure why teams looked at Mike Wallace and Jason Hill and decided they were only worth the 84th and 76th picks in the draft. I suspect they might have been seen as (or might actually be) only deep threats and not all-round #1 WRs. Regardless, they are very similar players and if the Jags decide to use Hill in the same way the Steelers use Wallace he could have some nice seasons IMO.ETA: it's encouraging that after having a 12 yards/catch average with the 49ers Hill put up 11-223-1 in J-ville (22.5 ypc). It suggests the Jags understand what they've got and know how to use him.

 

[Dave Larkin]

This is a shark move to make now. Jason Hill finished the season strong and without MSW in Jacksonville, Hill's chance to shine is now. Matt Waldman raved about this guy in a column during the season and when I sat down to watch him, I could really notice how well he was playing. Grab him now.

 

[Matt Waldman]

So the Jags released MSW and signed Hill to a 2-year contract. Allthough the Jags pass offense isn't spectacular by any means, he could get quite a few targets. He showed promise last year, and I think I remember Waldman liking him pre-draft?

I'm not sure why teams looked at Mike Wallace and Jason Hill and decided they were only worth the 84th and 76th picks in the draft. I suspect they might have been seen as (or might actually be) only deep threats and not all-round #1 WRs. Regardless, they are very similar players and if the Jags decide to use Hill in the same way the Steelers use Wallace he could have some nice seasons IMO.ETA: it's encouraging that after having a 12 yards/catch average with the 49ers Hill put up 11-223-1 in J-ville (22.5 ypc). It suggests the Jags understand what they've got and know how to use him.

Still like Hill. Martz really liked him in San Fran, but Nolan didn't trust Hill to stay healthy enough to consider him a starter although the injuries were of the small, nagging variety. I also liked much Garrard trusted Hill in 3rd and 4th down situations despite not having much time together. The Colts game late in the year was a good example of what I just mentioned.Jason Hill.pdf

 

[Bri]

They're banking on an 11 catch guy? Is that what you guys are saying?

 

[zamboni]

Surprised there isn't more focus on Mike Thomas. Maybe he's not a true go-to type, but he's got some skills. I'd give him higher odds of becoming the leading WR than Hill at this juncture.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Tiquan underwood?

Maybe who they draft.

Mike Thomas feels like Steve Smith (NYG) - a solid PPR guy but not a true home run guy

I dont see how losing MSW helps their passing game, but the kid couldnt stay healthy

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

as a 49er fan i will be so pissed if this guy pans out for the jags. he looked great in the brief glimpses he was off the trainers table/doghouse. Jags seem to be just keeping the cheaper option of the same player between Hill/Sims-walker

 

[SproutDaddy]

Whatever happen to Jarrett Dillard?

 

[todd2006]

Tiquan underwood? Maybe who they draft.Mike Thomas feels like Steve Smith (NYG) - a solid PPR guy but not a true home run guyI dont see how losing MSW helps their passing game, but the kid couldnt stay healthy

Mike Thomas reminds me of the other Steve Smith actually. I'd be happy with 80% of Steve Smith (Carolina) from his prime. Lots of similarities.

 

[todd2006]

Whatever happen to Jarrett Dillard?

Recent press had the GM praising JD.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Tiquan underwood?

I don't hold much hope for Tiquan. He's merely a deep threat with questionable hands.

 

[Matt Waldman]

They're banking on an 11 catch guy? Is that what you guys are saying?

No, I think what we're saying is that they are no longer banking on a guy that can't stay healthy and disappeared for stretches early this year due to reasons that are between Sims-Walker and the Jaguars. That means its pretty wide open, but one of the main candidates is an 11-catch guy who was considered a 2nd-round bargain by many people and flashed starter skills and when I read the reports about him last fall, the tone of the pieces seem to convey that the Jaguars believe they got a steal when the 49ers let Hill go. Mike Thomas is a nice player, but 80 percent of Carolina Steve Smith is basically what you've seen the past couple of seasons (although it wasn't all his fault for sure) in Carolina and it isn't that fantasy friendly. If Garrard as enough confidence in Thomas to begin targeting Thomas like Smith used to get targeted and Thomas responds well, you have a top-25 fantasy starter. The only way I'm going to believe that happens is when I see it. Jarrett Dillard is a decent prospect and I think he'll be the 3rd or 4th receiver in the rotation. Underwood has the body most NFL teams are looking for - he needs to develop the consistency and refine his skills.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Loved Jason Hill coming out of college. Maybe now he'll finally get a real opportunity.

 

[Bri]

Loved Jason Hill coming out of college. Maybe now he'll finally get a real opportunity.

I drafted Rashaun Woods and Jason Hill in dynasty. It was a bit painful.The 49ers have drafted so many WRs in the last ten years, probably 1 or 2 every year.

One sec-

http://www.pro-footb...ce=any&show=all

(There is a RB and TE in that group of WRs)

Maybe I went back a little far, but Hill didn't fare better than most of those guys. Why do you like him?

ETA I definitely went back too far

 

[Bri]

They're banking on an 11 catch guy? Is that what you guys are saying?

No, I think what we're saying is that they are no longer banking on a guy that can't stay healthy and disappeared for stretches early this year due to reasons that are between Sims-Walker and the Jaguars. That means its pretty wide open, but one of the main candidates is an 11-catch guy who was considered a 2nd-round bargain by many people and flashed starter skills and when I read the reports about him last fall, the tone of the pieces seem to convey that the Jaguars believe they got a steal when the 49ers let Hill go. Mike Thomas is a nice player, but 80 percent of Carolina Steve Smith is basically what you've seen the past couple of seasons (although it wasn't all his fault for sure) in Carolina and it isn't that fantasy friendly. If Garrard as enough confidence in Thomas to begin targeting Thomas like Smith used to get targeted and Thomas responds well, you have a top-25 fantasy starter. The only way I'm going to believe that happens is when I see it. Jarrett Dillard is a decent prospect and I think he'll be the 3rd or 4th receiver in the rotation. Underwood has the body most NFL teams are looking for - he needs to develop the consistency and refine his skills.

This planning on an 11 catch guy for FF strikes me as not wise and waiting to be burned. Seems like you guys would be better off banking on a FA or Julio or Green. I agree Mike Thomas is decent but not super. I figure he's just part of the puzzle. One thing I'd give ya guys here is that it was their previous coach that put a huge value on their WRs (Keenan and Smith) and their passing game, not their current one. This team seems more about MJD and TEs in a traditional power offense where top WRs are nice to have but not essential.

 

[MAC_32]

Potential 3 headed monster is what I see

Thomas - possession WR with exceptional after the catch skills

Dillard - red zone/big play threat

Hill - play maker w/slot skills too

None will be great, but Thomas may see a small up tick. The others are meh #3's, especially as long as Garrard's at QB.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

One thing I'd give ya guys here is that it was their previous coach that put a huge value on their WRs (Keenan and Smith) and their passing game, not their current one. This team seems more about MJD and TEs in a traditional power offense where top WRs are nice to have but not essential.

I think this has more to do with the talent on hand than any real preference. Remember they have used 2 first round picks on WRs during JDR's term.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

 

[DansRams]

Seems the J Hill and J Simpson (Cinci) situations are a lot alike. Both had potential, didn't realize it, but are still young enough to possibly turn it around. Both had good endings to last season, showing glimpses of that potential, and both have less than exciting QB situations.

Which sleeper WR do you all think has a better chance???

 

[ConnSKINS26]

This planning on an 11 catch guy for FF strikes me as not wise and waiting to be burned. Seems like you guys would be better off banking on a FA or Julio or Green.

Finding sleepers is what FF is all about, and Dynasty in particular. You aren't "planning on". No one is saying to trade the house for Jason Hill, or draft him above a proven player in re-draft formats, or to trade your #1 WR because Hill's on your bench. He's just a potential sleeper. Comparing grabbing Jason Hill off the waiver wire to "banking on" Julio or Green doesn't even make sense. You're talking about a risk-free acquisition vs. a top-3 rookie pick.Judging by this answer, I'm assuming that you're talking strictly re-draft, though.

 

[Bri]

This planning on an 11 catch guy for FF strikes me as not wise and waiting to be burned. Seems like you guys would be better off banking on a FA or Julio or Green.

Finding sleepers is what FF is all about, and Dynasty in particular. You aren't "planning on". No one is saying to trade the house for Jason Hill, or draft him above a proven player in re-draft formats, or to trade your #1 WR because Hill's on your bench. He's just a potential sleeper. Comparing grabbing Jason Hill off the waiver wire to "banking on" Julio or Green doesn't even make sense. You're talking about a risk-free acquisition vs. a top-3 rookie pick.Judging by this answer, I'm assuming that you're talking strictly re-draft, though.

that is true and a fair point. Can't cost much to trade for him....well short of the folks in this thread.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

This planning on an 11 catch guy for FF strikes me as not wise and waiting to be burned. Seems like you guys would be better off banking on a FA or Julio or Green.

Finding sleepers is what FF is all about, and Dynasty in particular. You aren't "planning on". No one is saying to trade the house for Jason Hill, or draft him above a proven player in re-draft formats, or to trade your #1 WR because Hill's on your bench. He's just a potential sleeper. Comparing grabbing Jason Hill off the waiver wire to "banking on" Julio or Green doesn't even make sense. You're talking about a risk-free acquisition vs. a top-3 rookie pick.Judging by this answer, I'm assuming that you're talking strictly re-draft, though.

FWIW... Hill went at 153, 170 and undrafted (300+ picks in each) in the three dynasty startups I've seen this off-season.

 

[Couch Potato]

It's always interesting to see what happens once a player gets a true starting opportunity. Sometimes it results in a major breakthrough, sometimes it amounts to little. Every year there's some former backup who unexpectedly has not just a nice year but a huge year.

Steve Johnson BUF had a total of 12 catches in his first 2 seasons. He was a 7th round pick. He played for one of the worst teams in the league. And they already had a WR1 in Evans. Whenever someone on this board would bring up his name as a 2010 sleeper last offseason, someone else would be quick to shoot him down because he was too this or that to ever be any good.

Those who held to their beliefs about him were rewarded with a 82-1073-10 season.

These guys are very hard to see coming. That's why they are sleepers. But Hill has shown ability in previous years, and he now appears to have an inside track to a starting job. Without opportunity there can be no success, and he looks to be getting that opportunity. I added him in 3 dynasty leagues late last year after it became clear he had passed MSW for the starting spot, and now of course everything that has come out of J'ville this offseason seems to confirm that Hill will have his chance. I'm only hedging my opinion a little because of Dillard, but I see Dillard settling into a lesser role. I don't know what Hill's upside is, but I believe he has as much potential to succeed as most guys currently sitting in the WR35-and-worse range, and he can be had much more cheaply. He's not locked into anything and hasn't put up starter numbers yet, and could end up a nobody, but the opportunity is there. At his current price that's all you can ask for.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

It's always interesting to see what happens once a player gets a true starting opportunity. Sometimes it results in a major breakthrough, sometimes it amounts to little. Every year there's some former backup who unexpectedly has not just a nice year but a huge year.Steve Johnson BUF had a total of 12 catches in his first 2 seasons. He was a 7th round pick. He played for one of the worst teams in the league. And they already had a WR1 in Evans. Whenever someone on this board would bring up his name as a 2010 sleeper last offseason, someone else would be quick to shoot him down because he was too this or that to ever be any good.Those who held to their beliefs about him were rewarded with a 82-1073-10 season.These guys are very hard to see coming. That's why they are sleepers. But Hill has shown ability in previous years, and he now appears to have an inside track to a starting job. Without opportunity there can be no success, and he looks to be getting that opportunity. I added him in 3 dynasty leagues late last year after it became clear he had passed MSW for the starting spot, and now of course everything that has come out of J'ville this offseason seems to confirm that Hill will have his chance. I'm only hedging my opinion a little because of Dillard, but I see Dillard settling into a lesser role. I don't know what Hill's upside is, but I believe he has as much potential to succeed as most guys currently sitting in the WR35-and-worse range, and he can be had much more cheaply. He's not locked into anything and hasn't put up starter numbers yet, and could end up a nobody, but the opportunity is there. At his current price that's all you can ask for.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

It's always interesting to see what happens once a player gets a true starting opportunity. Sometimes it results in a major breakthrough, sometimes it amounts to little. Every year there's some former backup who unexpectedly has not just a nice year but a huge year.Steve Johnson BUF had a total of 12 catches in his first 2 seasons. He was a 7th round pick. He played for one of the worst teams in the league. And they already had a WR1 in Evans. Whenever someone on this board would bring up his name as a 2010 sleeper last offseason, someone else would be quick to shoot him down because he was too this or that to ever be any good.Those who held to their beliefs about him were rewarded with a 82-1073-10 season.These guys are very hard to see coming. That's why they are sleepers. But Hill has shown ability in previous years, and he now appears to have an inside track to a starting job. Without opportunity there can be no success, and he looks to be getting that opportunity. I added him in 3 dynasty leagues late last year after it became clear he had passed MSW for the starting spot, and now of course everything that has come out of J'ville this offseason seems to confirm that Hill will have his chance. I'm only hedging my opinion a little because of Dillard, but I see Dillard settling into a lesser role. I don't know what Hill's upside is, but I believe he has as much potential to succeed as most guys currently sitting in the WR35-and-worse range, and he can be had much more cheaply. He's not locked into anything and hasn't put up starter numbers yet, and could end up a nobody, but the opportunity is there. At his current price that's all you can ask for.

So CP, whats your take on your boy MSW???

 

[Couch Potato]

It's always interesting to see what happens once a player gets a true starting opportunity. Sometimes it results in a major breakthrough, sometimes it amounts to little. Every year there's some former backup who unexpectedly has not just a nice year but a huge year.Steve Johnson BUF had a total of 12 catches in his first 2 seasons. He was a 7th round pick. He played for one of the worst teams in the league. And they already had a WR1 in Evans. Whenever someone on this board would bring up his name as a 2010 sleeper last offseason, someone else would be quick to shoot him down because he was too this or that to ever be any good.Those who held to their beliefs about him were rewarded with a 82-1073-10 season.These guys are very hard to see coming. That's why they are sleepers. But Hill has shown ability in previous years, and he now appears to have an inside track to a starting job. Without opportunity there can be no success, and he looks to be getting that opportunity. I added him in 3 dynasty leagues late last year after it became clear he had passed MSW for the starting spot, and now of course everything that has come out of J'ville this offseason seems to confirm that Hill will have his chance. I'm only hedging my opinion a little because of Dillard, but I see Dillard settling into a lesser role. I don't know what Hill's upside is, but I believe he has as much potential to succeed as most guys currently sitting in the WR35-and-worse range, and he can be had much more cheaply. He's not locked into anything and hasn't put up starter numbers yet, and could end up a nobody, but the opportunity is there. At his current price that's all you can ask for.

So CP, whats your take on your boy MSW???

I'm probably a big doof on this one, but I think getting out of JAC will be good for his career. Am I biased as hell? I still own him in 11 of my 12 dynasty leagues, so I'm likely not very objective. But I still think he has terrific ability, and am crossing my fingers he lands on a team that will let him be THE GUY. His biggest crime in JAC was griping that he wasn't getting the ball enough (learned from all the Ocho/Owens/etc. divas in the league I guess), so I'm crossing my fingers he finds that team.I know you and I have disagreed about him for awhile, and you may turn out to win out, but to me he's still a hold until I see where he goes and what his role will be. If the rest of the league views him as JAC does and ending up as a bit player someplace is the best he can do, I'll need to make some changes. But he's just 26, entering a WR's prime, and I'm eager to see what he can do with a fresh start out from under Jack Del Rio's thumb.

 

[Matt Waldman]

It's always interesting to see what happens once a player gets a true starting opportunity. Sometimes it results in a major breakthrough, sometimes it amounts to little. Every year there's some former backup who unexpectedly has not just a nice year but a huge year.Steve Johnson BUF had a total of 12 catches in his first 2 seasons. He was a 7th round pick. He played for one of the worst teams in the league. And they already had a WR1 in Evans. Whenever someone on this board would bring up his name as a 2010 sleeper last offseason, someone else would be quick to shoot him down because he was too this or that to ever be any good.Those who held to their beliefs about him were rewarded with a 82-1073-10 season.These guys are very hard to see coming. That's why they are sleepers. But Hill has shown ability in previous years, and he now appears to have an inside track to a starting job. Without opportunity there can be no success, and he looks to be getting that opportunity. I added him in 3 dynasty leagues late last year after it became clear he had passed MSW for the starting spot, and now of course everything that has come out of J'ville this offseason seems to confirm that Hill will have his chance. I'm only hedging my opinion a little because of Dillard, but I see Dillard settling into a lesser role. I don't know what Hill's upside is, but I believe he has as much potential to succeed as most guys currently sitting in the WR35-and-worse range, and he can be had much more cheaply. He's not locked into anything and hasn't put up starter numbers yet, and could end up a nobody, but the opportunity is there. At his current price that's all you can ask for.

MSW can absolutely still be a stud. Just because one employee with skills isn't a good match with an organization and he happened to incur a lot of sick time due to issues beyond his control doesn't mean he won't go to another company and do great things for them. Happens in the real world outside the NFL more than enough to know it can happen here. So CP, whats your take on your boy MSW???

I'm probably a big doof on this one, but I think getting out of JAC will be good for his career. Am I biased as hell? I still own him in 11 of my 12 dynasty leagues, so I'm likely not very objective. But I still think he has terrific ability, and am crossing my fingers he lands on a team that will let him be THE GUY. His biggest crime in JAC was griping that he wasn't getting the ball enough (learned from all the Ocho/Owens/etc. divas in the league I guess), so I'm crossing my fingers he finds that team.I know you and I have disagreed about him for awhile, and you may turn out to win out, but to me he's still a hold until I see where he goes and what his role will be. If the rest of the league views him as JAC does and ending up as a bit player someplace is the best he can do, I'll need to make some changes. But he's just 26, entering a WR's prime, and I'm eager to see what he can do with a fresh start out from under Jack Del Rio's thumb.

 

[Matt Waldman]

It's always interesting to see what happens once a player gets a true starting opportunity. Sometimes it results in a major breakthrough, sometimes it amounts to little. Every year there's some former backup who unexpectedly has not just a nice year but a huge year.Steve Johnson BUF had a total of 12 catches in his first 2 seasons. He was a 7th round pick. He played for one of the worst teams in the league. And they already had a WR1 in Evans. Whenever someone on this board would bring up his name as a 2010 sleeper last offseason, someone else would be quick to shoot him down because he was too this or that to ever be any good.Those who held to their beliefs about him were rewarded with a 82-1073-10 season.These guys are very hard to see coming. That's why they are sleepers. But Hill has shown ability in previous years, and he now appears to have an inside track to a starting job. Without opportunity there can be no success, and he looks to be getting that opportunity. I added him in 3 dynasty leagues late last year after it became clear he had passed MSW for the starting spot, and now of course everything that has come out of J'ville this offseason seems to confirm that Hill will have his chance. I'm only hedging my opinion a little because of Dillard, but I see Dillard settling into a lesser role. I don't know what Hill's upside is, but I believe he has as much potential to succeed as most guys currently sitting in the WR35-and-worse range, and he can be had much more cheaply. He's not locked into anything and hasn't put up starter numbers yet, and could end up a nobody, but the opportunity is there. At his current price that's all you can ask for.

MSW can absolutely still be a stud. Just because one employee with skills isn't a good match with an organization and he happened to incur a lot of sick time due to issues beyond his control doesn't mean he won't go to another company and do great things for them. Happens in the real world outside the NFL more than enough to know it can happen here. So CP, whats your take on your boy MSW???

I'm probably a big doof on this one, but I think getting out of JAC will be good for his career. Am I biased as hell? I still own him in 11 of my 12 dynasty leagues, so I'm likely not very objective. But I still think he has terrific ability, and am crossing my fingers he lands on a team that will let him be THE GUY. His biggest crime in JAC was griping that he wasn't getting the ball enough (learned from all the Ocho/Owens/etc. divas in the league I guess), so I'm crossing my fingers he finds that team.I know you and I have disagreed about him for awhile, and you may turn out to win out, but to me he's still a hold until I see where he goes and what his role will be. If the rest of the league views him as JAC does and ending up as a bit player someplace is the best he can do, I'll need to make some changes. But he's just 26, entering a WR's prime, and I'm eager to see what he can do with a fresh start out from under Jack Del Rio's thumb.

 

[Matt Waldman]

MSW can absolutely still be a stud. Just because one employee with skills isn't a good match with an organization and he happened to incur a lot of sick time due to issues beyond his control doesn't mean he won't go to another company and do great things for them. Happens in the real world outside the NFL more than enough to know it can happen here.

 

[jacobo_moses]

Who do you think will have a better chance of producing the next 1-2 years.??

Jason Hill

Dezmon Briscoe (TB)

Carlton Mitchell (CLE)

Seems like the pieces are there for Hill to produce.

 

[loose circuits]

Is this guy going to put it together this year or what?

Wondering if he takes a backseat to Shorts by the 2nd half of the season?

 

[Nick Nasty]

 

[loose circuits]

funny thing is before this week I sent out trade offers trying to get a 4th rounder for him while including my 5th. Got rejected over & over. I'm kinda glad cause based off numbers he looked good today. Anyone actually watch him that has something to add?

 

[Steed]

Most of his numbers came on a double move resulting in a busted coverage.

 

[Bri]

One week so does not make this a good call

 

[Bob Magaw]

not sure about redraft, but if gabbert is a keeper, he becomes more attractive for dynasty purposes.

 

[cvnpoka]

his long td was def luckbox, but they look to him often. he seems just as worth of a flyer as anyone at this point. i picked him up prior to this week in a few leagues.

 

[Nick Nasty]

My brother is a Jax follower and says Gabbert looks his way a lot.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Was out week 2 with an injury (to lazy to look up the injury) and ever since he's gotten a heavy dose of targets.. Then put it together last week. He could be a nice WR3-2even if he can keep it up.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

This is the same guy that trash talked Revis and then was a no-show on the field?

He's not going to get same blown coverage to pad his stats against the Steelers.