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The guy is already 5 for 40 tonight against the first team degense last game he went 10 - 48 .

I mean its not like they have any sure thing at RB , Norwood has nothing of a every down back ,

 
Traders2001 said:
Norwood has nothing of a every down back ,
got a link on that?
I think what he means is that Norwood is built like a WR (Long and lean) and not like a RB that will be an every down power back like Petrino likes.
That certainly doesn't mean he isn't an every down back. As a matter of fact, that phrase is the most overused phrase at FBGs.Jerious Norwood - 5'11" 204Barry Sanders - 5'8" 203
 
Traders2001 said:
Norwood has nothing of a every down back ,
got a link on that?
I think what he means is that Norwood is built like a WR (Long and lean) and not like a RB that will be an every down power back like Petrino likes.
That certainly doesn't mean he isn't an every down back. As a matter of fact, that phrase is the most overused phrase at FBGs.Jerious Norwood - 5'11" 204Barry Sanders - 5'8" 203
Barry was built like a RB. A short one, but a RB. Norwood looks like he is in the frame of a WR. Different body type.
 
Traders2001 said:
Norwood has nothing of a every down back ,
got a link on that?
I think what he means is that Norwood is built like a WR (Long and lean) and not like a RB that will be an every down power back like Petrino likes.
That certainly doesn't mean he isn't an every down back. As a matter of fact, that phrase is the most overused phrase at FBGs.Jerious Norwood - 5'11" 204Barry Sanders - 5'8" 203
Barry was built like a RB. A short one, but a RB. Norwood looks like he is in the frame of a WR. Different body type.
3 inches makes that much difference between a "real" rb and a "fake" one? LOL.
 
Traders2001 said:
Norwood has nothing of a every down back ,
got a link on that?
I think what he means is that Norwood is built like a WR (Long and lean) and not like a RB that will be an every down power back like Petrino likes.
That certainly doesn't mean he isn't an every down back. As a matter of fact, that phrase is the most overused phrase at FBGs.Jerious Norwood - 5'11" 204Barry Sanders - 5'8" 203
Barry was built like a RB. A short one, but a RB. Norwood looks like he is in the frame of a WR. Different body type.
3 inches makes that much difference between a "real" rb and a "fake" one? LOL.
It really doesn't have anything to do with height. It's all about body composition and muscle mass. You can have two guys that are the same exact height and same exact wieght and thier bodys could look totally different.
 
Traders2001 said:
Norwood has nothing of a every down back ,
got a link on that?
I think what he means is that Norwood is built like a WR (Long and lean) and not like a RB that will be an every down power back like Petrino likes.
That certainly doesn't mean he isn't an every down back. As a matter of fact, that phrase is the most overused phrase at FBGs.Jerious Norwood - 5'11" 204Barry Sanders - 5'8" 203
Barry was built like a RB. A short one, but a RB. Norwood looks like he is in the frame of a WR. Different body type.
3 inches makes that much difference between a "real" rb and a "fake" one? LOL.
Marcus Allen was 6'2", so height is certainly no guarantee. Then again, not everybody is as athletically gifted as Marcus Allen was. But given the importance of leverage and a low center of gravity in being a good RB I think it's fair to say that being tall, after a certain point, becomes an obstacle to overcome. Too short, and you start to lack the strength and inertia to break ta ckles and get extra yards; too big and you start to lose lateral quickness and ability to avoid hits.
 
His overall stats look good tonight, but checking the play-by-play, these plays really stand out as not good to me:

3-1-BUF 1 (9:41) 44-J.Snelling left guard to BUF 1 for no gain (56-K.Ellison; 94-A.Schobel).

4-1-BUF 1 (8:59) 44-J.Snelling right guard to BUF 3 for -2 yards (20-D.Whitner, 51-P.Posluszny).

...

2-10-ATL 37 (12:47) 13-J.Harrington pass short middle to 44-J.Snelling to ATL 40 for 3 yards (27-C.Wire). FUMBLES (27-C.Wire), RECOVERED by BUF-97-J.McCargo at ATL 42. 97-J.McCargo to ATL 37 for 5 yards (74-T.Weiner). Receiver hit upon catch, fumble recovered in air.

...

3-1-BUF 38 (9:49) 44-J.Snelling up the middle to BUF 39 for -1 yards (97-J.McCargo).

 
Marcus Allen was 6'2", so height is certainly no guarantee. Then again, not everybody is as athletically gifted as Marcus Allen was. But given the importance of leverage and a low center of gravity in being a good RB I think it's fair to say that being tall, after a certain point, becomes an obstacle to overcome. Too short, and you start to lack the strength and inertia to break ta ckles and get extra yards; too big and you start to lose lateral quickness and ability to avoid hits.
5'11" isn't 6'2". Actually, without looking up the numbers, my guess is that most of the good RBs are around 5"11". Yes, Norwood could use about 10 more pounds, but come on people....
 
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Marcus Allen was 6'2", so height is certainly no guarantee. Then again, not everybody is as athletically gifted as Marcus Allen was. But given the importance of leverage and a low center of gravity in being a good RB I think it's fair to say that being tall, after a certain point, becomes an obstacle to overcome. Too short, and you start to lack the strength and inertia to break ta ckles and get extra yards; too big and you start to lose lateral quickness and ability to avoid hits.
5'11" isn't 6'2". Actually, without looking up the numbers, my guess is that most of the good RBs are around 5"11". Yes, Norwood could use about 10 more pounds, but come on people....
:thumbdown: There are plenty of good 5' 11" RB's...
 
Marcus Allen was 6'2", so height is certainly no guarantee. Then again, not everybody is as athletically gifted as Marcus Allen was. But given the importance of leverage and a low center of gravity in being a good RB I think it's fair to say that being tall, after a certain point, becomes an obstacle to overcome. Too short, and you start to lack the strength and inertia to break ta ckles and get extra yards; too big and you start to lose lateral quickness and ability to avoid hits.
5'11" isn't 6'2". Actually, without looking up the numbers, my guess is that most of the good RBs are around 5"11". Yes, Norwood could use about 10 more pounds, but come on people....
:thumbdown: There are plenty of good 5' 11" RB's...
What do they weigh?
 
His overall stats look good tonight, but checking the play-by-play, these plays really stand out as not good to me:3-1-BUF 1 (9:41) 44-J.Snelling left guard to BUF 1 for no gain (56-K.Ellison; 94-A.Schobel).4-1-BUF 1 (8:59) 44-J.Snelling right guard to BUF 3 for -2 yards (20-D.Whitner, 51-P.Posluszny)....2-10-ATL 37 (12:47) 13-J.Harrington pass short middle to 44-J.Snelling to ATL 40 for 3 yards (27-C.Wire). FUMBLES (27-C.Wire), RECOVERED by BUF-97-J.McCargo at ATL 42. 97-J.McCargo to ATL 37 for 5 yards (74-T.Weiner). Receiver hit upon catch, fumble recovered in air....3-1-BUF 38 (9:49) 44-J.Snelling up the middle to BUF 39 for -1 yards (97-J.McCargo).
Agreed, that's not so good. Keep in mind that with bare bones preseason offenses, it's not much of a mystery to the defense what to defend against, but still . . .
 
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does it make him more of a RB if he is 210 now?

http://www.atlantafalcons.com/News/Article...otes_51107.aspx

Q: Did you gain weight?

Norwood: Yeah, I gained a little weight and I'm up to about 210 pounds. I'm trying to stay there. I don't want to go back down to 205 pounds.

I like this also:

Norwood has spent this offseason working on his strength so that he can become a bigger factor in the Falcons offense.

"Being a running back, I have to work on my legs," he said. "They are not very big, but they are strong. I've worked on getting stronger in my upper body, so I feel pretty good."

 
Like someone else said....its not about height and weight, its about how that muscle weight is distributed. If you were to look at Norwood and didn't know who he was, you would think he is a WR or DB. He just doesn't look like he has the frame to handle a lot of punishment.

 
Like someone else said....its not about height and weight, its about how that muscle weight is distributed. If you were to look at Norwood and didn't know who he was, you would think he is a WR or DB. He just doesn't look like he has the frame to handle a lot of punishment.
Neither did Gayle Sayers 6'0" 198. Granted his career was cut short due to injury, but if Norwwod has 5 or 6 great years I can live with that :)
 
As I pointed out in a previous post (months ago):

In 46 games with the Bulldogs, started 29 times.

Set a school career-record with 3,222 yards on 573 carries (5.6 avg) with 15 touchdowns.

Made 43 catches for 186 yards (4.3 avg) and a pair of scores.

Added 43 yards on four punt returns and 309 yards on 15 kickoff returns (20.6 avg).

His 3,760 all-purpose yards rank third in school history.

On 573 rushing attempts, did an excellent job of protecting the ball, fumbling only four times during his career (none in his final seventeen games).

He didn't start any games as freshman, and only 8 as a sophmore. His JR and SR seasons he did not miss a game, it sounds to me like his durability shouldn't be in question, even with his skinny legs.

 
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Like someone else said....its not about height and weight, its about how that muscle weight is distributed. If you were to look at Norwood and didn't know who he was, you would think he is a WR or DB. He just doesn't look like he has the frame to handle a lot of punishment.
Thank you. That's all I was trying to get him to understand.
 
Like someone else said....its not about height and weight, its about how that muscle weight is distributed. If you were to look at Norwood and didn't know who he was, you would think he is a WR or DB. He just doesn't look like he has the frame to handle a lot of punishment.
Thank you. That's all I was trying to get him to understand.
Like there hasn't been other 5'11" low 200 rbs to be successful? Hell, I'd rather take my chances on one of those than 5'7" 200 guys, or 6'2" 210 guys who run upright. Norwood has looked very good so far in the NFL, and I don't see any reason why he can't look great. Is the glass half empty or half full?
 
Like someone else said....its not about height and weight, its about how that muscle weight is distributed. If you were to look at Norwood and didn't know who he was, you would think he is a WR or DB. He just doesn't look like he has the frame to handle a lot of punishment.
Thank you. That's all I was trying to get him to understand.
Like there hasn't been other 5'11" low 200 rbs to be successful?
Not sure you have read his posts or my earlier post.
 
Like someone else said....its not about height and weight, its about how that muscle weight is distributed. If you were to look at Norwood and didn't know who he was, you would think he is a WR or DB. He just doesn't look like he has the frame to handle a lot of punishment.
Thank you. That's all I was trying to get him to understand.
Like there hasn't been other 5'11" low 200 rbs to be successful?
Not sure you have read his posts or my earlier post.
We're not trying to say that he won't be successful because of his weight. We're just saying that he is built more like a WR than like a RB.
 
Like someone else said....its not about height and weight, its about how that muscle weight is distributed. If you were to look at Norwood and didn't know who he was, you would think he is a WR or DB. He just doesn't look like he has the frame to handle a lot of punishment.
Thank you. That's all I was trying to get him to understand.
Like there hasn't been other 5'11" low 200 rbs to be successful?
Not sure you have read his posts or my earlier post.
We're not trying to say that he won't be successful because of his weight. We're just saying that he is built more like a WR than like a RB.
Ok, ....if that means something. He has looked plenty strong so far. Hell, he's looked better than most young RBs. I'll take that so far over whether he looks like a WR or not.Disclaimer: I only own Norwood in 1 of 6 dynasty leagues, so it's not like I'm full of homerism.

 
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Traders2001 said:
Norwood has nothing of a every down back ,
got a link on that?
I think what he means is that Norwood is built like a WR (Long and lean) and not like a RB that will be an every down power back like Petrino likes.
That certainly doesn't mean he isn't an every down back. As a matter of fact, that phrase is the most overused phrase at FBGs.Jerious Norwood - 5'11" 204Barry Sanders - 5'8" 203
Barry was built like a RB. A short one, but a RB. Norwood looks like he is in the frame of a WR. Different body type.
3 inches makes that much difference between a "real" rb and a "fake" one? LOL.
Well, yes, actually it does.Brandon Jacobs 6'4"Larry Johnson 6'1"Fred Taylor 6'0"Corey Dillon 6'1"Edge 6'0"Ahman Green 6'0"Shaun Alexander 6'0"do you envision Jacobs having a career anything CLOSE to what these other guys have had?I sure don't. they're all within 3-4 inches of Jacobs' height.
 
I agree Norwood has the frame of a WR or DB and not a RB. Nothing to do with specific height or weight- just how he looks.

Also, 3 inches makes a big difference. Think of the huge difference between someone who is 5-8 200, 5-11 200, and 6-3 200. You have a compact tank like Jones-Drew, an average build like Faulk, and a long lean Ashley Lelie.

 
Anyone else think ATL's rush O will struggle a lot more this yr though without the dog killer in the back field and a banged up dunn?!? Norwood looked good last yr, but D's also had a lot of other players to look at

I know this has gotten into a discussion about his frame, but I dont see him being too valuable this yr with harrington at QB and their mod squad of receivers

 
Anyone else think ATL's rush O will struggle a lot more this yr though without the dog killer in the back field and a banged up dunn?!? Norwood looked good last yr, but D's also had a lot of other players to look atI know this has gotten into a discussion about his frame, but I dont see him being too valuable this yr with harrington at QB and their mod squad of receivers
I think Norwood is a great talent and will be a super third down back in the years to come, the switch from the zone blcoking scheme to a traditional big bodies pushing open holes for the RB's to get thru will favor a a big bruising type back. I would still think for now its Norwoods job to lose and until he does I would re-draft him as a top 30 RB, as a dynasty league player I might consider selling high before the season starts. Problem is Atlanta is playing MN and JAX on the Road the first two games, both should have outstanding run D this year. I think Norwoods value will plummet from there.
 
I think some people are taking this discussion a little too seriously. The statement is that Norwood doesn't look like a RB when he is in the backfield. He doss look thin. The end. You can come up witha million other RBs who were tall and thin and it won't change that he is tall and thin.

The idea that he isn't a "true" RB is pretty much unproven since what does a "true" RB look like? For me a true RB is the one that takes hand offs in the backfield. Norwood showed last year that he can play and he has identified that he needs to put on weight.

As for Snelling all I can say is that I watched the game last night and he looked pretty dang good. What impressed me (and note that even though this was the Bills 1st team "D" I am sure that in the 2nd preseason game some of their guys were sitting out or taking it easy) was that he broke a lot of tackles. He'd pick up 10 yards, but first contact was at the line up scrimmage or 2 yards downfield.

At the goalline the Bills stacked the line and the Falcons never disguised the fact that they were running. You still have to get into the endzone in that situation, but I won't hold it against him.

I don't think Snelling is the Falcon's "true" RB, but I do think that if he continues to be effective he will muddy that RBBC they already have.

 
Traders2001 said:
Norwood has nothing of a every down back ,
got a link on that?
I think what he means is that Norwood is built like a WR (Long and lean) and not like a RB that will be an every down power back like Petrino likes.
That certainly doesn't mean he isn't an every down back. As a matter of fact, that phrase is the most overused phrase at FBGs.Jerious Norwood - 5'11" 204Barry Sanders - 5'8" 203
Barry was built like a RB. A short one, but a RB. Norwood looks like he is in the frame of a WR. Different body type.
3 inches makes that much difference between a "real" rb and a "fake" one? LOL.
Well, yes, actually it does.Brandon Jacobs 6'4"Larry Johnson 6'1"Fred Taylor 6'0"Corey Dillon 6'1"Edge 6'0"Ahman Green 6'0"Shaun Alexander 6'0"do you envision Jacobs having a career anything CLOSE to what these other guys have had?I sure don't. they're all within 3-4 inches of Jacobs' height.
:rant: Horrible example. Jacobs is 30-50 pounds heavier than these other backs. 3" and 30 lbs. heavier is a LOT different than 3" and 1 lb. heavier. Size isn't the only thing here, Norwood does not have Barry's skill.
 
Like someone else said....its not about height and weight, its about how that muscle weight is distributed. If you were to look at Norwood and didn't know who he was, you would think he is a WR or DB. He just doesn't look like he has the frame to handle a lot of punishment.
Neither did Gayle Sayers 6'0" 198. Granted his career was cut short due to injury, but if Norwwod has 5 or 6 great years I can live with that :thumbup:
So is Norwood as elusive as Sanders or Sayers? Not trying to be a smart###, I really haven't seen him play yet?
 
Like someone else said....its not about height and weight, its about how that muscle weight is distributed. If you were to look at Norwood and didn't know who he was, you would think he is a WR or DB. He just doesn't look like he has the frame to handle a lot of punishment.
Neither did Gayle Sayers 6'0" 198. Granted his career was cut short due to injury, but if Norwwod has 5 or 6 great years I can live with that :unsure:
So is Norwood as elusive as Sanders or Sayers? Not trying to be a smart###, I really haven't seen him play yet?
He is pretty elusive and fast. He aint no Sanders or Sayers, I dont think he will have an explosive career but should stick around for a while, still thinking he will be a classic change of pace/third down back by next season.
 
I am one who also thinks Norwood looks skinny lined up back there, but I also think the same thing when Bush is back there too. Hmmmm. Don't know what that means just yet, but that is my impression.

As for the Snelling guy I wouldn't be too concerned if I was a different RB, namely Dunn/Norwood, losing too many carries to him. He looked like a straight ahead runner and if there is a hole he will run until someone tackles him, but if he needs to make a guy miss it isn't going to happen. To me he looked a step to slow, I think someone said he was a FB and that is how he played.....cover the ball with two hands, run down hill and fall over when someone piles on.

 
Traders2001 said:
The guy is already 5 for 40 tonight against the first team degense last game he went 10 - 48 .

I mean its not like they have any sure thing at RB , Norwood has nothing of a every down back ,
:yes: :shrug:
 
Like someone else said....its not about height and weight, its about how that muscle weight is distributed. If you were to look at Norwood and didn't know who he was, you would think he is a WR or DB. He just doesn't look like he has the frame to handle a lot of punishment.
Neither did Gayle Sayers 6'0" 198. Granted his career was cut short due to injury, but if Norwwod has 5 or 6 great years I can live with that :)
So is Norwood as elusive as Sanders or Sayers? Not trying to be a smart###, I really haven't seen him play yet?
He is pretty elusive and fast. He aint no Sanders or Sayers, I dont think he will have an explosive career but should stick around for a while, still thinking he will be a classic change of pace/third down back by next season.
huh? Have you ever seen him play? Dude, this kid is a stud, not a backup.
 
Like someone else said....its not about height and weight, its about how that muscle weight is distributed. If you were to look at Norwood and didn't know who he was, you would think he is a WR or DB. He just doesn't look like he has the frame to handle a lot of punishment.
Neither did Gayle Sayers 6'0" 198. Granted his career was cut short due to injury, but if Norwwod has 5 or 6 great years I can live with that :coffee:
Bad example. Sayers was playing against DT's who weighed less than 250 lbs.
 
Like someone else said....its not about height and weight, its about how that muscle weight is distributed. If you were to look at Norwood and didn't know who he was, you would think he is a WR or DB. He just doesn't look like he has the frame to handle a lot of punishment.
Neither did Gayle Sayers 6'0" 198. Granted his career was cut short due to injury, but if Norwwod has 5 or 6 great years I can live with that :shrug:
So is Norwood as elusive as Sanders or Sayers? Not trying to be a smart###, I really haven't seen him play yet?
He is pretty elusive and fast. He aint no Sanders or Sayers, I dont think he will have an explosive career but should stick around for a while, still thinking he will be a classic change of pace/third down back by next season.
huh? Have you ever seen him play? Dude, this kid is a stud, not a backup.
Yep I have seen him play, and he did great in a ZONE blocking scheme. Tatum Bell type back, who I think will also struggle to Run behind a Classis line in Detroit. There are plenty of quick stringy players in the NFL, great in spurts and in the right scheme can be remarkable. Petrino will not run the zone blocking scheme. I state again a big bruising tailback in the Jamal Lewis mode will be a much better fit. Out on a screen pass, an end around or line him up wide and Norwood will contribute. I dont think he is an every down back in Atlanta's Offensive attack. I tink his ceiling will be "Kevin Faulk".
 
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Like someone else said....its not about height and weight, its about how that muscle weight is distributed. If you were to look at Norwood and didn't know who he was, you would think he is a WR or DB. He just doesn't look like he has the frame to handle a lot of punishment.
Neither did Gayle Sayers 6'0" 198. Granted his career was cut short due to injury, but if Norwwod has 5 or 6 great years I can live with that :)
Bad example. Sayers was playing against DT's who weighed less than 250 lbs.
:goodposting:
 
Addai is 5'11" 214 and they are predicting a double the workload for him. That's 10 freaking pounds difference between him and Norwood, both being 5'11".

 
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not to beat a dead horse, but all reports have said Jerious put on LBS. i think hes up to 212.

I like Jerious a lot. I think his lean frame should be considered an asset not a weakness. It allows him to hit the whole hard, but also allows for him to get outside in a hurry and rip one off. I think he is gooing to fill up the stat line in a hurry this year, especially if Petrino commits to his tailbacks catching a lot of balls out of the backfield.

 
His overall stats look good tonight, but checking the play-by-play, these plays really stand out as not good to me:

3-1-BUF 1 (9:41) 44-J.Snelling left guard to BUF 1 for no gain (56-K.Ellison; 94-A.Schobel).

4-1-BUF 1 (8:59) 44-J.Snelling right guard to BUF 3 for -2 yards (20-D.Whitner, 51-P.Posluszny).

...

2-10-ATL 37 (12:47) 13-J.Harrington pass short middle to 44-J.Snelling to ATL 40 for 3 yards (27-C.Wire). FUMBLES (27-C.Wire), RECOVERED by BUF-97-J.McCargo at ATL 42. 97-J.McCargo to ATL 37 for 5 yards (74-T.Weiner). Receiver hit upon catch, fumble recovered in air.

...

3-1-BUF 38 (9:49) 44-J.Snelling up the middle to BUF 39 for -1 yards (97-J.McCargo).
He didn't have chance on the 3-1 and 4-1, Buffalo had alot of penetration. As for the fumble, Wire popped him really good. All in all, I think he had a good game.
 
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thehornet said:
not to beat a dead horse, but all reports have said Jerious put on LBS. i think hes up to 212.
....well there you go folks. Let's see what else we can find negative about Norwood :thumbup:
 
Like someone else said....its not about height and weight, its about how that muscle weight is distributed. If you were to look at Norwood and didn't know who he was, you would think he is a WR or DB. He just doesn't look like he has the frame to handle a lot of punishment.
Neither did Gayle Sayers 6'0" 198. Granted his career was cut short due to injury, but if Norwwod has 5 or 6 great years I can live with that :thumbup:
So is Norwood as elusive as Sanders or Sayers? Not trying to be a smart###, I really haven't seen him play yet?
He is pretty elusive and fast. He aint no Sanders or Sayers, I dont think he will have an explosive career but should stick around for a while, still thinking he will be a classic change of pace/third down back by next season.
huh? Have you ever seen him play? Dude, this kid is a stud, not a backup.
Yep I have seen him play, and he did great in a ZONE blocking scheme. Tatum Bell type back, who I think will also struggle to Run behind a Classis line in Detroit. There are plenty of quick stringy players in the NFL, great in spurts and in the right scheme can be remarkable. Petrino will not run the zone blocking scheme. I state again a big bruising tailback in the Jamal Lewis mode will be a much better fit. Out on a screen pass, an end around or line him up wide and Norwood will contribute. I dont think he is an every down back in Atlanta's Offensive attack. I tink his ceiling will be "Kevin Faulk".
:moneybag:
 
You can all relax now. I drafted Norwood and jacobs in the 2nd round of my dynasty league in consecutive years. Now that they are starting, I see rushing records out of both of them. Glad we have that settled.

 
thehornet said:
not to beat a dead horse, but all reports have said Jerious put on LBS. i think hes up to 212.
....well there you go folks. Let's see what else we can find negative about Norwood :popcorn:
ok, I'll add the he's bow-legged, and runs like he just got off a horse after riding from Deadwood SD to Skagway, Alaska.he plays in an offense that will have Joey friggin Harrington at QB.. :own3d:
 

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