Javon Walker demands trade (1 Viewer)

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I just called all of my company's clients and complained to them how underpaid I am. I've also emailed these complaints to all the local news stations and papers. The gosip ladies that work at the grocery store are already passing the word on to all their shoppers.

This is the professional way to handle things. Any minute now the president will call me in his office, which should be my office since I'm so damn important around here, and give me the cash I deserve!

Bad move. Your company was clearing salary structure so that next year they could sign you to a tastee bonus and a new and improved salary. Demanding the increase this year when your company is temporarily financially strapped is bad planning.

 

[Kleck.]

I just called all of my company's clients and complained to them how underpaid I am.  I've also emailed these complaints to all the local news stations and papers.  The gosip ladies that work at the grocery store are already passing the word on to all their shoppers.

This is the professional way to handle things.  Any minute now the president will call me in his office, which should be my office since I'm so damn important around here, and give me the cash I deserve!

Bad move. Your company was clearing salary structure so that next year they could sign you to a tastee bonus and a new and improved salary. Demanding the increase this year when your company is temporarily financially strapped is bad planning.

I better call the clients again. Maybe it will work better a second time.

 

[Big Score]

I dunno.

According to Kleck, Sho Nuff & MrPack, the Pack would be re-negotiating Walkers contract right now, but because he went public with wanting a new contract last year, they've decided that now they're not going to re-negotiate, to teach him a lesson.

If that's true, both parties are acting like a couple of spoiled little kindergärtners.

Why don't you think they would be in renegotiations if last years situation never takes place? There would be no hard-feelings or love lost on either side and the team would now have the money to lock him in for a few more years.It's not just last years situation causing this whole thing now. The fact that Walker started it up AGAIN makes this situation much worse and the Packers and Thompson don't want to deal like that. Why is this so hard for some to understand? There are more teams out there than Green Bay that don't like dealing with players in these types of situtaions.

Look, lots and lots and lots of players do what Walker did last year when they're unhappy with their contracts and want them renegotiated. If they don't get what they want they usually come on back in, just like Walker did. It's SOP for the players and their agents. Nothing unusual or unprecedented about it. It's the leverage a player has.Hines Ward did it. Rueben Droughns was threatening a hold out for a little bit with the Browns last year. Rudi Johnson threatened the Bengals with a holdout if his contract wasn't renegotiated and made long term.

The list of players and the league doing business this way, just goes on and on and on.

If the Pack were going to renegotiate Walkers deal this year, they would've done so, regardless of his actions last year. You bring up how he's acting this year and say that's another reason Thompson won't renegotiate Walker's contract. Did you stop and think why Walker is doing this? Do you think Walker just got a wild hair up his butt and out of the blue suddenly began having verbal diarrhea about his animosity for the Pack?

It's because Walker & his agent asked quietly behind the scenes for the contract to be renegotiated and Thompson said no.

But like I said earlier, we can debate this until we're both blue in the face, yet we'll never know the true answer. Just can't be proved one way or the other.

You, Sho Nuff & MrPack want to believe that the only reason Walker hasn't already had his contract renegoitiated this year, is because he publicly pushed for it last year, ya'll go right ahead.

I don't and short of actually proving it (which is impossible), you won't change my mind.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?

 

[Big Score]

I do think Walker needs to be letting Favre know this dragging out of his decision to play or retire, is only hurting the team.

Oh! And he should do it publicly too.

 

[Kleck.]

I dunno.

According to Kleck, Sho Nuff & MrPack, the Pack would be re-negotiating Walkers contract right now, but because he went public with wanting a new contract last year, they've decided that now they're not going to re-negotiate, to teach him a lesson.

If that's true, both parties are acting like a couple of spoiled little kindergärtners.

Why don't you think they would be in renegotiations if last years situation never takes place? There would be no hard-feelings or love lost on either side and the team would now have the money to lock him in for a few more years.It's not just last years situation causing this whole thing now. The fact that Walker started it up AGAIN makes this situation much worse and the Packers and Thompson don't want to deal like that. Why is this so hard for some to understand? There are more teams out there than Green Bay that don't like dealing with players in these types of situtaions.

Look, lots and lots and lots of players do what Walker did last year when they're unhappy with their contracts and want them renegotiated. If they don't get what they want they usually come on back in, just like Walker did. It's SOP for the players and their agents. Nothing unusual or unprecedented about it. It's the leverage a player has.Hines Ward did it. Rueben Droughns was threatening a hold out for a little bit with the Browns last year. Rudi Johnson threatened the Bengals with a holdout if his contract wasn't renegotiated and made long term.

The list of players and the league doing business this way, just goes on and on and on.

If the Pack were going to renegotiate Walkers deal this year, they would've done so, regardless of his actions last year. You bring up how he's acting this year and say that's another reason Thompson won't renegotiate Walker's contract. Did you stop and think why Walker is doing this? Do you think Walker just got a wild hair up his butt and out of the blue suddenly began having verbal diarrhea about his animosity for the Pack?

It's because Walker & his agent asked quietly behind the scenes for the contract to be renegotiated and Thompson said no.

But like I said earlier, we can debate this until we're both blue in the face, yet we'll never know the true answer. Just can't be proved one way or the other.

You, Sho Nuff & MrPack want to believe that the only reason Walker hasn't already had his contract renegoitiated this year, is because he publicly pushed for it last year, ya'll go right ahead.

I don't and short of actually proving it (which is impossible), you won't change my mind.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?

When did Walker and Rosenhaus do that? How long did they wait before going public with it? That's good info to know, link please. TIA Never once did we say that was the ONLY reason. It was one of them, along with having NO CAP ROOM last year to do it, and then starting it up again and other things. It's easy to angle this however you want when pulling one line of a paragraph and overlooking the rest.

I thought we were having a good conversation yesturday, and never took your disagreements personal. I thought that was mutual, but it seems like you have taken these personally. I appologize for that. it was was not my intentions.

 

[Bizkiteer]

I do think Walker needs to be letting Favre know this dragging out of his decision to play or retire, is only hurting the team.

Oh! And he should do it publicly too.

LMAO!!!

 

[Kleck.]

I do think Walker needs to be letting Favre know this dragging out of his decision to play or retire, is only hurting the team.

Oh! And he should do it publicly too. 

Might as well, can't really hurt anything more right now and it might help push the trade he wants.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I do believe the Packers have screwed this up a bit.

I agree with the way they handled things last year. No way should they have set the precedent of renegotiating with a player with two years left on their contract, especially when doing so was a practical impossibility given their cap structure.

Once Walker came back last year he was beginning to get embraced again by the fans. Upon injury the Packers should have said publicly that they intend to stand by Javon. That they know he is a workout warrior and that they are confident that attitude would translate to rehabilitation as well. They should have publicly stated they will not view him as damaged goods and that they intend to open negotiations with him this coming year when they have cap space available. In short the Packers should have stroked his ego and put the whole initial problem off on Rosenhaus as being too stupid to appreciate team economics. Walker is stupid, he needed reassurance and for the Packers to reiterate that they love him, but hated the foolish cap ignoring antics of his prior representation.

This year they should have expressed willingness to start negotiations. They should have told Javon that his negotiation is foremost in their mind. They should have given him a healthy but realistic bonus and structured him with a reasonable salary, but one that includes makeable goals and escalator clauses somewhat protecting both sides. They should have assured him that he is a big part of the present and a bigger part of the future just so long as he remembered to respect the goals the organization was trying to accomplish.

The problem here is that Walker is an idiot. He has idiots advising him who are looking for their instant payday and who have little interest in maximizing his long term career value. Rather these goof balls, like his father, are concerned with what respect he may not be getting, forgetting that he got the original contract he asked for.

The shame of all this is that this has turned into a lose/lose/ lose situation. Walker is going to leave money on the table because malcontents are suspect to all they negotiate with in the future. Also, potentially putting a career with a limited number of productive years on hold, particularly when stardom and collateral endorsement dollars were in the offing, is insane. The Packers of course lose because they have to deal with a malcontent and with potentially getting less value for Walker, or out of Walker, than they might otherwise have gotten. The NFL loses because yet again the transient dollar first nature of the industry comes to the fore. That makes it tougher to market the league as fans, and future franchise cities for that matter, are reminded that their passion is someone else's business. The economics of the league demand that fans remain passionate, not jaded by constant disappointment and bickering between millionaires and bilionaires.

 

[Big Score]

I dunno.

According to Kleck, Sho Nuff & MrPack, the Pack would be re-negotiating Walkers contract right now, but because he went public with wanting a new contract last year, they've decided that now they're not going to re-negotiate, to teach him a lesson.

If that's true, both parties are acting like a couple of spoiled little kindergärtners.

Why don't you think they would be in renegotiations if last years situation never takes place? There would be no hard-feelings or love lost on either side and the team would now have the money to lock him in for a few more years.It's not just last years situation causing this whole thing now. The fact that Walker started it up AGAIN makes this situation much worse and the Packers and Thompson don't want to deal like that. Why is this so hard for some to understand? There are more teams out there than Green Bay that don't like dealing with players in these types of situtaions.

Look, lots and lots and lots of players do what Walker did last year when they're unhappy with their contracts and want them renegotiated. If they don't get what they want they usually come on back in, just like Walker did. It's SOP for the players and their agents. Nothing unusual or unprecedented about it. It's the leverage a player has.Hines Ward did it. Rueben Droughns was threatening a hold out for a little bit with the Browns last year. Rudi Johnson threatened the Bengals with a holdout if his contract wasn't renegotiated and made long term.

The list of players and the league doing business this way, just goes on and on and on.

If the Pack were going to renegotiate Walkers deal this year, they would've done so, regardless of his actions last year. You bring up how he's acting this year and say that's another reason Thompson won't renegotiate Walker's contract. Did you stop and think why Walker is doing this? Do you think Walker just got a wild hair up his butt and out of the blue suddenly began having verbal diarrhea about his animosity for the Pack?

It's because Walker & his agent asked quietly behind the scenes for the contract to be renegotiated and Thompson said no.

But like I said earlier, we can debate this until we're both blue in the face, yet we'll never know the true answer. Just can't be proved one way or the other.

You, Sho Nuff & MrPack want to believe that the only reason Walker hasn't already had his contract renegoitiated this year, is because he publicly pushed for it last year, ya'll go right ahead.

I don't and short of actually proving it (which is impossible), you won't change my mind.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?

When did Walker and Rosenhaus do that? How long did they wait before going public with it? That's good info to know, link please. TIA Never once did we say that was the ONLY reason. It was one of them, along with having NO CAP ROOM last year to do it, and then starting it up again and other things. It's easy to angle this however you want when pulling one line of a paragraph and overlooking the rest.

I thought we were having a good conversation yesturday, and never took your disagreements personal. I thought that was mutual, but it seems like you have taken these personally. I appologize for that. it was was not my intentions.

FYI Kleck,Walker fired Rosenhaus last year.

You keep saying the Pack is not renegoitiating Walkers contract now because he asked for it to be renegoitiated last year. When did Thompson and the Pack decide this? How long did they wait before going public with it? That's good info to know, link please. TIA

Please don't tell me the cap stopped the Pack from renegoitiating Walker's contract last year. I can tell that both of us are more football savvy than that. If the Pack really wanted to sign Walker last year to a new or renegoitiated contract, they could've. Plenty of ways to get creative, do it and still be in cap compliance.

To be honest, I thought we were still having a good conversation. My last post was not meant to come across as being antagonistic and I'm sorry if it did. I was really only pointing out that we are debating a situation that is unprovable either way. I don't see me changing your mind and conversely I don't see your points changing mine.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

By the Way, time to start being proactive on Barnett.

 

[sho nuff]

By the Way, time to start being proactive on Barnett.

I figure they will...one of the reasons they are not just going to go out wild spending this cap space on free agents...there are some out there that they need to make sure they lock up on their own team. Barnett is a big one...have not looked in a while to see the status of Clifton and Tauscher's contracts....

 

[Kleck.]

You keep saying the Pack is not renegoitiating Walkers contract now because he asked for it to be renegoitiated last year. When did Thompson and the Pack decide this? How long did they wait before going public with it? That's good info to know, link please. TIA

I'm aware of what I have said. I'm also aware that I said him holding out last year is not the only reason, but part of it. This is all assumptions of course, and only one of my opinions as to why Walker did not receive an extention. Since Thompson seldom discusses these matters with the media we may never know the whole truth. But AGAIN, him holding out last year and making a huge deal about is not the only reason why I feel this way.Why do YOU think Walker did not get an extention last year or not one yet this year? That is what I would really like to know. There is no need to continually answer these question with what I say. I already know what I said. I want to know why YOU think Walker's contract wasn't extended last year or yet this year since you disagree with mine and others' reasons.

 

[Big Score]

You keep saying the Pack is not renegoitiating Walkers contract now because he asked for it to be renegoitiated last year. When did Thompson and the Pack decide this? How long did they wait before going public with it? That's good info to know, link please. TIA

I'm aware of what I have said. I'm also aware that I said him holding out last year is not the only reason, but part of it. This is all assumptions of course, and only one of my opinions as to why Walker did not receive an extention. Since Thompson seldom discusses these matters with the media we may never know the whole truth. But AGAIN, him holding out last year and making a huge deal about is not the only reason why I feel this way.Why do YOU think Walker did not get an extention last year or not one yet this year? That is what I would really like to know. There is no need to continually answer these question with what I say. I already know what I said. I want to know why YOU think Walker's contract wasn't extended last year or yet this year since you disagree with mine and others' reasons.

I've got no dog in the hunt regarding Walker's contract last year. As for this year, business decision plain & simple. He blew out his knee & until the Pack see that he's fully recovered from it, they're not going to renegoitiate his contract for more $$$ when they have him this year at $1.5 mil.

That's it, nothing more, nothing less.

EDIT: Well........the above......and Thompson is a turd

 

[Kleck.]

You keep saying the Pack is not renegoitiating Walkers contract now because he asked for it to be renegoitiated last year. When did Thompson and the Pack decide this? How long did they wait before going public with it? That's good info to know, link please. TIA

I'm aware of what I have said. I'm also aware that I said him holding out last year is not the only reason, but part of it. This is all assumptions of course, and only one of my opinions as to why Walker did not receive an extention. Since Thompson seldom discusses these matters with the media we may never know the whole truth. But AGAIN, him holding out last year and making a huge deal about is not the only reason why I feel this way.Why do YOU think Walker did not get an extention last year or not one yet this year? That is what I would really like to know. There is no need to continually answer these question with what I say. I already know what I said. I want to know why YOU think Walker's contract wasn't extended last year or yet this year since you disagree with mine and others' reasons.

I've got no dog in the hunt regarding Walker's contract last year. As for this year, business decision plain & simple. He blew out his knee & until the Pack see that he's fully recovered from it, they're not going to renegoitiate his contract for more $$$ when they have him this year at $1.5 mil.

That's it, nothing more, nothing less.

Thanks. And I won't disagree that could indeed be a reason.

 

[Kleck.]

EDIT: Well........the above......and Thompson is a turd

I've questioned a few of his moves and draft picks, but I'll give him some more time. That doesn't mean I won't agree with this one down the road though.

 

[Big Score]

You keep saying the Pack is not renegotiating Walkers contract now because he asked for it to be renegotiated last year. When did Thompson and the Pack decide this? How long did they wait before going public with it? That's good info to know, link please. TIA

I'm aware of what I have said. I'm also aware that I said him holding out last year is not the only reason, but part of it. This is all assumptions of course, and only one of my opinions as to why Walker did not receive an extension. Since Thompson seldom discusses these matters with the media we may never know the whole truth. But AGAIN, him holding out last year and making a huge deal about is not the only reason why I feel this way.Why do YOU think Walker did not get an extension last year or not one yet this year? That is what I would really like to know. There is no need to continually answer these question with what I say. I already know what I said. I want to know why YOU think Walker's contract wasn't extended last year or yet this year since you disagree with mine and others' reasons.

I've got no dog in the hunt regarding Walker's contract last year. As for this year, business decision plain & simple. He blew out his knee & until the Pack see that he's fully recovered from it, they're not going to renegotiate his contract for more $$$ when they have him this year at $1.5 mil.

That's it, nothing more, nothing less.

Thanks. And I won't disagree that could indeed be a reason.

Why not? We were on a roll

Seriously though, I don't know that Walker, his step Daddy & his agent started this vehement anti Green Bay rhetoric because Thompson said no to his contract being renegotiated this year. I'm only assuming that. But, considering the timing of him coming out spewing this hate & venom for the Pack, it's a pretty logical assumption & makes complete sense.

Sorry that while you were quoting me, I slipped in the EDIT about Thompson being a turd and you missed it first time around. I think that's a valid point too.

 

[BigJim®]

I do believe the Packers have screwed this up a bit.

I agree with the way they handled things last year. No way should they have set the precedent of renegotiating with a player with two years left on their contract, especially when doing so was a practical impossibility given their cap structure.

Once Walker came back last year he was beginning to get embraced again by the fans. Upon injury the Packers should have said publicly that they intend to stand by Javon. That they know he is a workout warrior and that they are confident that attitude would translate to rehabilitation as well. They should have publicly stated they will not view him as damaged goods and that they intend to open negotiations with him this coming year when they have cap space available. In short the Packers should have stroked his ego and put the whole initial problem off on Rosenhaus as being too stupid to appreciate team economics. Walker is stupid, he needed reassurance and for the Packers to reiterate that they love him, but hated the foolish cap ignoring antics of his prior representation.

This year they should have expressed willingness to start negotiations. They should have told Javon that his negotiation is foremost in their mind. They should have given him a healthy but realistic bonus and structured him with a reasonable salary, but one that includes makeable goals and escalator clauses somewhat protecting both sides. They should have assured him that he is a big part of the present and a bigger part of the future just so long as he remembered to respect the goals the organization was trying to accomplish.

The problem here is that Walker is an idiot. He has idiots advising him who are looking for their instant payday and who have little interest in maximizing his long term career value. Rather these goof balls, like his father, are concerned with what respect he may not be getting, forgetting that he got the original contract he asked for.

The shame of all this is that this has turned into a lose/lose/ lose situation. Walker is going to leave money on the table because malcontents are suspect to all they negotiate with in the future. Also, potentially putting a career with a limited number of productive years on hold, particularly when stardom and collateral endorsement dollars were in the offing is insane. The Packers of course lose because they have to deal with a malcontent and with potentially getting less value for Walker, or out of Walker, than they might otherwise have gotten. The NFL loses because yet again the transient dollar first nature of the industry comes to the fore. That makes it tougher to market the league as fans, and future franchise cities for that matter, are reminded that their passion is someone else's business. The economics of the league demand that fans remain passionate, not jaded by constant disappointment and bickering between millionaires and bilionaires.

 

[LTsharks]

I didn't hear his original comments, but from what I could gather from the rest of the show, Howard Eskin on 610 WIP in Philly reported today that the Packers would like to trade Walker before the draft. He also said that the Eagles would be interested (of course, I'm sure a lot of teams would be, depending on price)

Did anyone hear what he actually said?

Is this even news? I didn't think the Packers have said they would want to trade him, so it seemed like a possible development if things have gotten to this point. Anyone know more about that?

Thought this was worth a bump to see if anyone had any thoughts.

 

[Davej626]

How is Walker doing on his rehab? Is, and when, is he expected to play this season? 100% too much to ask by November?

 

[mudshark]

I didn't hear his original comments, but from what I could gather from the rest of the show, Howard Eskin on 610 WIP in Philly reported today that the Packers would like to trade Walker before the draft. He also said that the Eagles would be interested (of course, I'm sure a lot of teams would be, depending on price)

Did anyone hear what he actually said?

Is this even news? I didn't think the Packers have said they would want to trade him, so it seemed like a possible development if things have gotten to this point. Anyone know more about that?

Thought this was worth a bump to see if anyone had any thoughts.

I didn't hear Eskin talk about it (I think I just missed it as I was starting my car) but I heard on the sports update a short mention of the story. Basically said the Packers have said they would trade Walker but not until draft day. They're looking for a 3rd round pick and Walker has said he would like to play for Philly. Eagles are interested but balked at the 3rd round pick.