Javon Walker demands trade (1 Viewer)

[sho nuff]

Javon Walker's decision last year to come back to camp before he was granted a new contract was close to the stupidest thing he ever did. The reason it's close is because his injury was only season ending and not career ending.

In the NFL you have to get the money while you're at the top. If he holds out for 1/2 a season, Green Bay trades him or renogotiates (especially with the way their season went).

Favre would look alot less like a shmuk if he came out and publicly apologized for getting involved in another players personal business. I wonder how Favre would have felt if Walker's injury had ended his career. Knowing that the guy had possibly left millions on the table and he was the one that coerced him into doing this.

Favre's comments had nothing to do with Walker's injury.

 

[fatkid]

If he wants a big deal, the Packers are the best team for him to try and get one from. They have all the ingreadients for him to do well in the near future and get paid. A lot of Cap Room this year and next, a good QB who already trusts him, not great competition at the other WR spots, and an offense that will throw the ball.

No team is going to give him the money he wants off of a knee injury. But if he kept his mouth shut, came back and played well for the first half of the season, the Packers have the cap room to re-up him during the season for the money he wants. This would be similar to what the Eagles did with Westbrook and Akers last year.

He needs to be selfish, just like anyone else in that buisness. I just think for him the selfish solution is to return to the Packers, and play well this year.

 

[gman8343]

Javon Walker, WR GBNews: The Houston Chronicle reports Javon Walker is demanding to be traded out of Green Bay and threatening to retire. He is putting his house on the market and has no plans to wear a Packers uniform again. Analysis: The Packers insist that Walker, who fired agent Drew Rosenhaus and replaced him with Kennard McGuire, won't be traded. This mess hurts Walker's value a bit at this point.

 

[Bri]

SOP to put your house up for sale, doesn't mean people are actually checking it out to buy it or anything. An old trick that used to work but doesn't anymore

 

[pigskinliquors]

If he wants a big deal, the Packers are the best team for him to try and get one from. They have all the ingreadients for him to do well in the near future and get paid. A lot of Cap Room this year and next, a good QB who already trusts him, not great competition at the other WR spots, and an offense that will throw the ball.

No team is going to give him the money he wants off of a knee injury. But if he kept his mouth shut, came back and played well for the first half of the season, the Packers have the cap room to re-up him during the season for the money he wants. This would be similar to what the Eagles did with Westbrook and Akers last year.

He needs to be selfish, just like anyone else in that buisness. I just think for him the selfish solution is to return to the Packers, and play well this year.

Alex Smith?

 

[blkgolf23]

Javon Walker's decision last year to come back to camp before he was granted a new contract was close to the stupidest thing he ever did.  The reason it's close is because his injury was only season ending and not career ending.

In the NFL you have to get the money while you're at the top.  If he holds out for 1/2 a season, Green Bay trades him or renogotiates (especially with the way their season went). 

Favre would look alot less like a shmuk if he came out and publicly apologized for getting involved in another players personal business.  I wonder how Favre would have felt if Walker's injury had ended his career.  Knowing that the guy had possibly left millions on the table and he was the one that coerced him into doing this.

Favre's comments had nothing to do with Walker's injury.

After Favre's comments he had to come back or face being killed in the local press. Rule 1 don't get involved with another player money....

 

[Da Guru]

Walker had 2 years left on his deal. Also he had only 1 good season under his belt. If Walker had another good year he would have got paid with 1 year left on his deal.

A very smart decision by GB not to redo the deal. You can`t cave in to every player who still has 2 years left on a contract. 1 year..yes..2 years..no!

 

[David Dodds]

My guess is he gets traded. Green Bay had every right not to renegotiate last year, but people are crazy to think when you play hard ball like that the player is going to fall in line (especially after a huge year). Walker felt disrespected by the owners and by Favre. His injury just deepens those wounds.

I take him on his word that he won't be in camp. If he plays for the Packers at all, it will be to log the last 6 games with them before he is an unrestricted free agent next year. No way will the Packers franchise someone who does not want to be with the organization. The price would be way to steep.

The Packers have to see this too. Trade him for something this year or get nothing.

Not a GM here, but not sure why the Packers would not meet Javon half-way last year. Tell him they won't renegotiate his base pay, but offer a 2-3 million performance bonus if he hit set targets. They then look like good guys for rewarding a great season and no hard feelings happen. Brett favre doesn't need to get involved and this whole thing is settled easily. And as history played out, Javon would have never gotten this money. And if he had, then the Packers treating hm fairly would have gone a long way to securing a long term deal.

I don't see Javon Walker a Packer much longer.

 

[ratpfink]

Not a GM here, but not sure why the Packers would not meet Javon half-way last year. Tell him they won't renegotiate his base pay, but offer a 2-3 million performance bonus if he hit set targets. They then look like good guys for rewarding a great season and no hard feelings happen. Brett favre doesn't need to get involved and this whole thing is settled easily. And as history played out, Javon would have never gotten this money. And if he had, then the Packers treating hm fairly would have gone a long way to securing a long term deal.

I'm not sure the Packers had the available cap space to do this sort of thing. For Javon & Drew to sign off on such a thing, the incentives would definitely have to be "likely to be earned" and count against the current year's cap. It's a very nice idea, but probably wasn't practical for the Pack.

 

[David Dodds]

I think the Packers could have renegotiated the deal to make it no extra money in 2005, a roster bonus in 2006 if he reached the incentives, etc. But that is water under the bridge now.

I think there was a way out of this for the Packers had they wanted to do it. They did not want to. They did not think he was worth sending that message that they would renegotiate with two years left. Nothing wrong with that, but it clearly is part of the equation now.

Like I said - If the Packers don't trade Javon, they should plan on having him for the last 6 games only this season before he becomes a Free agent. That's the power he holds in this situation. And if he shows up in time for week 10, would the Packers actually play him? I doubt it. Personally I think that's enough power that the Packers will trade him. He is essentially worthless to them this year and will be a free agent next year.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Like I said - If the Packers don't trade Javon, they should plan on having him for the last 6 games only this season before he becomes a Free agent. That's the power he holds in this situation. And if he shows up in time for week 10, would the Packers actually play him? I doubt it. Personally I think that's enough power that the Packers will trade him. He is essentially worthless to them this year and will be a free agent next year.

This may be the extent of Walker's leverage, but I don't think it's very much. I agree it is incorrect to say the team holds all the cards, but I think the Packers on balance have the upper hand in that it would be a severe blow to Walker's career to miss two consecutive seasons. If he is healthy, he needs to be on the field in his contract year to ring the bell in FA.

 

[sho nuff]

Javon Walker's decision last year to come back to camp before he was granted a new contract was close to the stupidest thing he ever did. The reason it's close is because his injury was only season ending and not career ending.

In the NFL you have to get the money while you're at the top. If he holds out for 1/2 a season, Green Bay trades him or renogotiates (especially with the way their season went).

Favre would look alot less like a shmuk if he came out and publicly apologized for getting involved in another players personal business. I wonder how Favre would have felt if Walker's injury had ended his career. Knowing that the guy had possibly left millions on the table and he was the one that coerced him into doing this.

Favre's comments had nothing to do with Walker's injury.

After Favre's comments he had to come back or face being killed in the local press. Rule 1 don't get involved with another player money....

Rule #1...dont take your grievances public if you expect others...especially the team captain not to comment about your possible holdout in camp. It was not about his money to Favre...it was about the way he was trying to get it.

 

[Chaz McNulty]

Javon Walker's decision last year to come back to camp before he was granted a new contract was close to the stupidest thing he ever did.  The reason it's close is because his injury was only season ending and not career ending.

In the NFL you have to get the money while you're at the top.  If he holds out for 1/2 a season, Green Bay trades him or renogotiates (especially with the way their season went). 

Favre would look alot less like a shmuk if he came out and publicly apologized for getting involved in another players personal business.  I wonder how Favre would have felt if Walker's injury had ended his career.  Knowing that the guy had possibly left millions on the table and he was the one that coerced him into doing this.

Favre's comments had nothing to do with Walker's injury.

After Favre's comments he had to come back or face being killed in the local press. Rule 1 don't get involved with another player money....

Rule #1...dont take your grievances public if you expect others...especially the team captain not to comment about your possible holdout in camp. It was not about his money to Favre...it was about the way he was trying to get it.

How many other "team captains" have you seen publicly get involved in another players contract talks. Walker was making a life choice for himself and his family. Favre should have minded his own business.

When Ward was having his contract talks last year, how many Steelers stepped up and said that Ward needed to get his butt back in camp?

I like Favre as much as the next guy, but if you can't admit that he made a terrible decision when he got involved in another man's personal business, then you're to much of a homer to discuss this subjectively. I think that what Favre did was really disrespectful to Walker. Especially considering the clout that Favre has in Green Bay.

 

[Z-Dog]

Way I see it, if Favre is going to call Walker out, then it's only natural for Walker to decide that he's not a good fit in Green Bay and try to force a way otu. Especially in a small place like GB, where you know people are harassing Walker in the streets.

 

[gman8343]

Way I see it, if Favre is going to call Walker out, then it's only natural for Walker to decide that he's not a good fit in Green Bay and try to force a way otu. Especially in a small place like GB, where you know people are harassing Walker in the streets.

I think it'd be great if Walker came out and began publicly criticicizing Brett for taking so ####### long to decide whether he's coming back or not. After all, the team NEEDS to know so they can plan accordingly...

 

[Billy1x]

He's is not going to be traded and he's going to play this year for the Packers. He might get a new contract during the year if he plays well.

Retiring would be plain stupid. That would be throwing 15 million in future money down the drain. Sitting out does no good either. He has to play through the contract to get to free agency, period.

 

[TCFF]

He's is not going to be traded and he's going to play this year for the Packers. He might get a new contract during the year if he plays well.

Retiring would be plain stupid. That would be throwing 15 million in future money down the drain. Sitting out does no good either. He has to play through the contract to get to free agency, period.

He has to play the final six games after being a huge distraction, period.

 

[RandyDB]

He's is not going to be traded and he's going to play this year for the Packers. He might get a new contract during the year if he plays well.

Retiring would be plain stupid. That would be throwing 15 million in future money down the drain. Sitting out does no good either. He has to play through the contract to get to free agency, period.

He has to be on the roster the final six games after being a huge distraction, period.

fixed

 

[sho nuff]

How many other "team captains" have you seen publicly get involved in another players contract talks. Walker was making a life choice for himself and his family. Favre should have minded his own business.

When Ward was having his contract talks last year, how many Steelers stepped up and said that Ward needed to get his butt back in camp?

I like Favre as much as the next guy, but if you can't admit that he made a terrible decision when he got involved in another man's personal business, then you're to much of a homer to discuss this subjectively. I think that what Favre did was really disrespectful to Walker. Especially considering the clout that Favre has in Green Bay.

Making a life choice? Yeah...great choice...piss off the QB...the organization...and the fans...not once but twice.Having his star WR in camp is the team's captain and QB's business.

Because other teams did not say anything means nothing...taking your business public...expect to have people comment on it.

I think his only mistake was saying he hoped they did not give in. Thats it. And it has nothing to do with being a homer or not thinking objectively...it is purely how I feel. I applaud that...I applaud what Henderson had to say this year.

I think what Walker is doing is disrespectful to the team and his teammates and any crying he has should be focused on his own decisions...

 

[Big Score]

I think what Walker is doing is disrespectful to the team and his teammates and any crying he has should be focused on his own decisions...

See that's the thing of it right there. Last year he wavered in holding out for abetter contract, incentive based or whatever and made the decision to come back & play without securing a better deal.What happened?

He blew out his knee.

You better believe he's about that decision.

 

[sho nuff]

I think what Walker is doing is disrespectful to the team and his teammates and any crying he has should be focused on his own decisions...

See that's the thing of it right there. Last year he wavered in holding out for abetter contract, incentive based or whatever and made the decision to come back & play without securing a better deal.What happened?

He blew out his knee.

You better believe he's about that decision.

Had he not held out and made it public in the first place...do you think they would not have been working to up his deal? Do you think they would have waited until he was a FA?

 

[Big Score]

I think what Walker is doing is disrespectful to the team and his teammates and any crying he has should be focused on his own decisions...

See that's the thing of it right there. Last year he wavered in holding out for abetter contract, incentive based or whatever and made the decision to come back & play without securing a better deal.What happened?

He blew out his knee.

You better believe he's about that decision.

Had he not held out and made it public in the first place...do you think they would not have been working to up his deal? Do you think they would have waited until he was a FA?

So your theory is, if he hadn't said he wanted a raise, he would've gotten one?Interesting, but I doubt it.

 

[packersfan]

I think there was a way out of this for the Packers had they wanted to do it. They did not want to. They did not think he was worth sending that message that they would renegotiate with two years left. Nothing wrong with that, but it clearly is part of the equation now.

David, this has been discussed many times. The Packers have a long-standing policy of extending contracts of key players in the final year of their deal. They have done this numerous times. Walker knew that. He's seen it firsthand. Had he complied; he would have gotten his money (just like he got more money initially when he asked for a larger rookie contract, something that simply continues to get overlooked and should not). He tried to buck the system which is his right but the bottom line is he tried to make himself an exception and the Packers refused to comply. They didn't send Walker a message; they simply continued with the business practice they have had in place for several years now. And again I ask, for those crying about Javon not getting more money last year where were your tears for the Packers when he was being overpaid in the first two years of his deal?

Like I said - If the Packers don't trade Javon, they should plan on having him for the last 6 games only this season before he becomes a Free agent. That's the power he holds in this situation. And if he shows up in time for week 10, would the Packers actually play him? I doubt it. Personally I think that's enough power that the Packers will trade him. He is essentially worthless to them this year and will be a free agent next year.

And he can be given a franchise tag which would mean he possibly forfeits three seasons of his career if he does not want to play for the Packers. Is that something he really wants to do? If I'm Thompson and McCarthy I put him on scout team and sit him every Sunday if he comes back for the final six games. F him. Then slap the franchise tag on him the following season to ensure he doesn't leave without the Packers getting due compensation. I think the Packers do hold all of the cards here with Walker and he's placing his career in a very precarious situation.

 

[sho nuff]

So your theory is, if he hadn't said he wanted a raise, he would've gotten one?

Interesting, but I doubt it.

My theory is...based on what the Packers have done before with contracts and negotiating with one year left but not more...that had he not made the deal public and threatened sitting out, that they would have worked with him during the season or shortly thereafter. Even with the injury they would have probably worked with him.This based on what happened before him with Driver, Ferguson....and so on.

 

[Big Score]

So your theory is, if he hadn't said he wanted a raise, he would've gotten one?

Interesting, but I doubt it.

My theory is...based on what the Packers have done before with contracts and negotiating with one year left but not more...

Walker had two years left, right? Not sure how your theory historically applies, under the one year negotiating parameter base.

 

[sho nuff]

So your theory is, if he hadn't said he wanted a raise, he would've gotten one?

Interesting, but I doubt it.

My theory is...based on what the Packers have done before with contracts and negotiating with one year left but not more...

Walker had two years left, right? Not sure how your theory historically applies, under the one year negotiating parameter base.

Had 2 years left...which is why I said during the season it could have been done or shortly thereafter...right there in what I wrote...

 

[P Boy]

Link

Starting to hear a lot more talk about DEN being players in the Walker sweepstakes:

Broncos have assets for dealing

Denver's extra picks could lead to trade for Packers' Walker

By Jeff Legwold, Rocky Mountain News

March 28, 2006

ORLANDO, Fla. - Armed with extra draft picks in the first and fourth rounds of the April draft, the Denver Broncos are searching for potential deals.

Two sources in the league said Monday that Broncos coach Mike Shanahan has made informal inquiries about Green Bay Packers receiver Javon Walker. Those discussions have included former Packers coach Mike Sherman, who is now on the Houston Texans staff.

Shanahan could not be reached for comment.

Walker, who publicly has threatened to retire instead of play for the Packers again, is under contract to Green Bay for the 2006 season, during which he is scheduled to count $1,165,000 against the salary cap.

Packers general manager Ted Thompson said he has "received inquiries" about Walker and would listen to any proposed deals. Thompson has not publicly given Walker permission to seek a trade on his own.

The fifth-year veteran is coming off surgery to repair the anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee. Walker was injured in the Packers' 2005 opener and underwent surgery in mid-September.

He is unhappy with his contract - he's in the final year of a $6.7 million deal he signed in 2002 - and held out of Green Bay's minicamps last season in search of a new deal. He returned to the team for training camp and was injured against the Detroit Lions.

Walker had 1,382 receiving yards and 14 touchdowns in 2004.

 

[uk3rings]

slap the franchise tag on him the following season to ensure he doesn't leave without the Packers getting due compensation. I think the Packers do hold all of the cards here with Walker and he's placing his career in a very precarious situation.

Thats ok for Walker...he signs the franchise offer and takes top 5 WR money for a year...having played no football for 2 years not bad really for what will be around $10m. What a cap hit rofl!!.Is he then a free agent!!?

Packers hold the aces...don't think so!!. That season he can give 10% effort. Make sure he is fit and well for the following year.

Example TO! Philli had to cut him.

 

[Big Score]

So your theory is, if he hadn't said he wanted a raise, he would've gotten one?

Interesting, but I doubt it.

My theory is...based on what the Packers have done before with contracts and negotiating with one year left but not more...

Walker had two years left, right? Not sure how your theory historically applies, under the one year negotiating parameter base.

Had 2 years left...which is why I said during the season it could have been done or shortly thereafter...right there in what I wrote...

So your theory does not apply to last years request by Walker to have his contract re-negoitiated as he would've had two years left at the time.He buckled from his initial decision to hold out, came back & immediately blew out his knee.

You better believe that in retrospect, he is about that decision.

 

[Kleck.]

slap the franchise tag on him the following season to ensure he doesn't leave without the Packers getting due compensation. I think the Packers do hold all of the cards here with Walker and he's placing his career in a very precarious situation.

Thats ok for Walker...he signs the franchise offer and takes top 5 WR money for a year...having played no football for 2 years not bad really for what will be around $10m. What a cap hit rofl!!.Is he then a free agent!!?

Packers hold the aces...don't think so!!. That season he can give 10% effort. Make sure he is fit and well for the following year.

Example TO! Philli had to cut him.

If Green Bay tags him for the 2007 season and no one takes them up on the offer to compensate Green Bay for Walker, then it becomes 2008. Walker is 30 years-old and basically coming off 2 missed seasons, and in your example a 3rd season in which he showed little to no effort. And his only bargining year would be 2004 and the 2nd half of 2003. Walker would still probably find a good deal out there, but that is a long time to go to prove he can be the WR he was in 2004. The offeres would better if he proves that in 2006 or 2007 vs. 2008.I also don't think the TO situation is a good example if you want to use a player that puts up 10% effort. When TO played last year he gave it his all. Even with all the love lost, TO was having a great 2005 season before he was sat. Regardless of the problems on the sidelines or away from the stadium, when TO is on the field, he is a big time gamer.

 

[Liquid Tension]

You can say what you want about Walkers intelligence but I, for one, think this is the most intelligent decision he has made since he signed with the Packers. It makes absolutely no sense for Walker to play this season with no guaranteed money.

People were ridiculing Dante Culpepper for getting injured and having very little guaranteed money in his contract. But fortunately for Dante he makes most of his plays with arm and not with his legs. If he receives another serious injury and his career is deemed to be over, do you think the Packers will give him a nice compensation package before they cut him?

I don’t blame Walker whatsoever for not wanting to play for a team and a QB who is going to leave you hanging out to dry – in more ways than one.

My

I understand yu rpoint but Walker got his money upfront and now that the guarantee isn't there THIS year he wants to hold out. For a guy to hold out after not playing the previous year is if you ask me. Pay him his $500,000 to play the final 6 games of the year

 

[Kleck.]

I'm not against Walker getting paid. He'll I'd want more money too if I were him. Like I said a year ago, it's just the way he is going about it that is wrong and against the ways Green Bay deals with it's players. Had he kept it quiet and within the organization he would have received his qwan. Example: Al Harris vs. Mike McKenzie.

 

[Big Score]

I'm not against Walker getting paid. He'll I'd want more money too if I were him. Like I said a year ago, it's just the way he is going about it that is wrong and against the ways Green Bay deals with it's players. Had he kept it quiet and within the organization he would have received his qwan. Example: Al Harris vs. Mike McKenzie.

I thought Mike McKenzie got his money...just not from Green Bay.

 

[Kleck.]

I'm not against Walker getting paid.  He'll I'd want more money too if I were him.  Like I said a year ago, it's just the way he is going about it that is wrong and against the ways Green Bay deals with it's players.  Had he kept it quiet and within the organization he would have received his qwan.  Example: Al Harris vs. Mike McKenzie.

I thought Mike McKenzie got his money...just not from Green Bay.

And Walker will eventually get his too, but like McKenzie he might have to wait longer to get it.

 

[sho nuff]

So your theory does not apply to last years request by Walker to have his contract re-negoitiated as he would've had two years left at the time.

He buckled from his initial decision to hold out, came back & immediately blew out his knee.

You better believe that in retrospect, he is about that decision.

Crying about the decision to threaten a holdout and make it public? Or about the decision he made as a rookie to sign a lucrative long term deal?

 

[Big Score]

I'm not against Walker getting paid.  He'll I'd want more money too if I were him.  Like I said a year ago, it's just the way he is going about it that is wrong and against the ways Green Bay deals with it's players.  Had he kept it quiet and within the organization he would have received his qwan.  Example: Al Harris vs. Mike McKenzie.

I thought Mike McKenzie got his money...just not from Green Bay.

And Walker will eventually get his too, but like McKenzie he might have to wait longer to get it.

I think it's obvious that Green Bay will not re-negoitiate his contract this year. So if Walker gets traded like McKenzie did, he wouldn't have to wait for his money would he? That's the angle Walker is working.

I'm not saying who is in the right here, Walker or the Pack.

But I do know what Walker is doing & why.

 

[sho nuff]

I'm not against Walker getting paid. He'll I'd want more money too if I were him. Like I said a year ago, it's just the way he is going about it that is wrong and against the ways Green Bay deals with it's players. Had he kept it quiet and within the organization he would have received his qwan. Example: Al Harris vs. Mike McKenzie.

I thought Mike McKenzie got his money...just not from Green Bay.

He got his trade...not so sure he got the money he wanted though...

 

[sho nuff]

I'm not against Walker getting paid. He'll I'd want more money too if I were him. Like I said a year ago, it's just the way he is going about it that is wrong and against the ways Green Bay deals with it's players. Had he kept it quiet and within the organization he would have received his qwan. Example: Al Harris vs. Mike McKenzie.

I thought Mike McKenzie got his money...just not from Green Bay.

And Walker will eventually get his too, but like McKenzie he might have to wait longer to get it.

I think it's obvious that Green Bay will not re-negoitiate his contract this year. So if Walker gets traded like McKenzie did, he wouldn't have to wait for his money would he? That's the angle Walker is working.

I'm not saying who is in the right here, Walker or the Pack.

But I do know what Walker is doing & why.

He would have to wait for the new team to renegotiate any deal...

 

[Big Score]

So your theory does not apply to last years request by Walker to have his contract re-negoitiated as he would've had two years left at the time.

He buckled from his initial decision to hold out, came back & immediately blew out his knee.

You better believe that in retrospect, he is about that decision.

Crying about the decision to threaten a holdout and make it public? Or about the decision he made as a rookie to sign a lucrative long term deal?

Repeat

He buckled from his initial decision to hold out, came back & immediately blew out his knee.

You better believe that in retrospect, he is about that decision.

 

[uk3rings]

slap the franchise tag on him the following season to ensure he doesn't leave without the Packers getting due compensation. I think the Packers do hold all of the cards here with Walker and he's placing his career in a very precarious situation.

Thats ok for Walker...he signs the franchise offer and takes top 5 WR money for a year...having played no football for 2 years not bad really for what will be around $10m. What a cap hit rofl!!.Is he then a free agent!!?

Packers hold the aces...don't think so!!. That season he can give 10% effort. Make sure he is fit and well for the following year.

Example TO! Philli had to cut him.

If Green Bay tags him for the 2007 season and no one takes them up on the offer to compensate Green Bay for Walker, then it becomes 2008. Walker is 30 years-old and basically coming off 2 missed seasons, and in your example a 3rd season in which he showed little to no effort. And his only bargining year would be 2004 and the 2nd half of 2003. Walker would still probably find a good deal out there, but that is a long time to go to prove he can be the WR he was in 2004. The offeres would better if he proves that in 2006 or 2007 vs. 2008.I also don't think the TO situation is a good example if you want to use a player that puts up 10% effort. When TO played last year he gave it his all. Even with all the love lost, TO was having a great 2005 season before he was sat. Regardless of the problems on the sidelines or away from the stadium, when TO is on the field, he is a big time gamer.

I wasn't really giving the 10% effort as an eample for Owen, we all know what he did in the Superbowl and when he has actually got on the field of play. The 10% remark was more on what Walker has to put in to stay fit and get paid the following year...you think he will have a 1 year contract and put himself on the line AGAIN so not to get paidFact is though, no one will offer anything other than what you can get now....no one will offer two 1sts for walker will they....take what you can now as it will be no different down the line.

 

[Big Score]

I'm not against Walker getting paid.  He'll I'd want more money too if I were him.  Like I said a year ago, it's just the way he is going about it that is wrong and against the ways Green Bay deals with it's players.  Had he kept it quiet and within the organization he would have received his qwan.  Example: Al Harris vs. Mike McKenzie.

I thought Mike McKenzie got his money...just not from Green Bay.

And Walker will eventually get his too, but like McKenzie he might have to wait longer to get it.

I think it's obvious that Green Bay will not re-negoitiate his contract this year. So if Walker gets traded like McKenzie did, he wouldn't have to wait for his money would he? That's the angle Walker is working.

I'm not saying who is in the right here, Walker or the Pack.

But I do know what Walker is doing & why.

He would have to wait for the new team to renegotiate any deal...

Any team trading for Walker, knows exactly why Green Bay is trading him away. His deal would be re-done by his new team.

 

[sho nuff]

So your theory does not apply to last years request by Walker to have his contract re-negoitiated as he would've had two years left at the time.

He buckled from his initial decision to hold out, came back & immediately blew out his knee.

You better believe that in retrospect, he is about that decision.

Crying about the decision to threaten a holdout and make it public? Or about the decision he made as a rookie to sign a lucrative long term deal?

Repeat

He buckled from his initial decision to hold out, came back & immediately blew out his knee.

You better believe that in retrospect, he is about that decision.

is right...but towards you.He threatened a hold out...his bluff was called...he blew out his knee.

Had he held out...his knee would be fine...but he would most likely still be where he is now given Thompson's stance so far on things.

 

[sho nuff]

I'm not against Walker getting paid. He'll I'd want more money too if I were him. Like I said a year ago, it's just the way he is going about it that is wrong and against the ways Green Bay deals with it's players. Had he kept it quiet and within the organization he would have received his qwan. Example: Al Harris vs. Mike McKenzie.

I thought Mike McKenzie got his money...just not from Green Bay.

And Walker will eventually get his too, but like McKenzie he might have to wait longer to get it.

I think it's obvious that Green Bay will not re-negoitiate his contract this year. So if Walker gets traded like McKenzie did, he wouldn't have to wait for his money would he? That's the angle Walker is working.

I'm not saying who is in the right here, Walker or the Pack.

But I do know what Walker is doing & why.

He would have to wait for the new team to renegotiate any deal...

Any team trading for Walker, knows exactly why Green Bay is trading him away. His deal would be re-done by his new team.

Same could be said for McKenzie...however he did not get his new deal right away. And he was not coming off of an injury such as Walker is.

 

[Kleck.]

I'm not against Walker getting paid.  He'll I'd want more money too if I were him.  Like I said a year ago, it's just the way he is going about it that is wrong and against the ways Green Bay deals with it's players.  Had he kept it quiet and within the organization he would have received his qwan.  Example: Al Harris vs. Mike McKenzie.

I thought Mike McKenzie got his money...just not from Green Bay.

And Walker will eventually get his too, but like McKenzie he might have to wait longer to get it.

I think it's obvious that Green Bay will not re-negoitiate his contract this year. So if Walker gets traded like McKenzie did, he wouldn't have to wait for his money would he? That's the angle Walker is working.

I'm not saying who is in the right here, Walker or the Pack.

But I do know what Walker is doing & why.

Walker started this last year so he has already waited a year. Because of cap issues he would not have gotten paid last year regardless if he kept it quiet though. The injury also adds to the whole situation, but I honestly believe with the money Green Bay has now an extension would have been done this spring if it was kept within the organization. By keeping it within the organization there is a good chance Favre would have taken his side too. McKenzie did a similar thing started his complaints and hold out threats a year before he was actually traded. Even if the time scale is the same, the players could have saved face with the team and possibly gotten more support from them iunstead of be bashed.

 

[Big Score]

So your theory does not apply to last years request by Walker to have his contract re-negoitiated as he would've had two years left at the time.

He buckled from his initial decision to hold out, came back & immediately blew out his knee.

You better believe that in retrospect, he is about that decision.

Crying about the decision to threaten a holdout and make it public? Or about the decision he made as a rookie to sign a lucrative long term deal?

Repeat

He buckled from his initial decision to hold out, came back & immediately blew out his knee.

You better believe that in retrospect, he is about that decision.

is right...but towards you.He threatened a hold out...his bluff was called...he blew out his knee.

Had he held out...his knee would be fine...but he would most likely still be where he is now given Thompson's stance so far on things.

That statement just plain ridiculous. If his knee were fine he would NOT be where he is now.

He would be a MUCH more desireable WR with a LOT less questions surrounding his knee.

 

[Kleck.]

I'm not against Walker getting paid.  He'll I'd want more money too if I were him.  Like I said a year ago, it's just the way he is going about it that is wrong and against the ways Green Bay deals with it's players.  Had he kept it quiet and within the organization he would have received his qwan.  Example: Al Harris vs. Mike McKenzie.

I thought Mike McKenzie got his money...just not from Green Bay.

He got his trade...not so sure he got the money he wanted though...

IIRC, he did not get as much as initially thought and the Saints got a good deal. 3 year extension with about $7 mil guaranteed? Making his total contract a 5 year $20 mil deal?

 

[Big Score]

I'm not against Walker getting paid.  He'll I'd want more money too if I were him.  Like I said a year ago, it's just the way he is going about it that is wrong and against the ways Green Bay deals with it's players.  Had he kept it quiet and within the organization he would have received his qwan.  Example: Al Harris vs. Mike McKenzie.

I thought Mike McKenzie got his money...just not from Green Bay.

He got his trade...not so sure he got the money he wanted though...

IIRC, he did not get as much as initially thought and the Saints got a good deal. 3 year extension with about $7 mil garaunteed?

Wasn't that more than what Green Bay was offering?

 

[MrPack]

I think what Walker is doing is disrespectful to the team and his teammates and any crying he has should be focused on his own decisions...

See that's the thing of it right there. Last year he wavered in holding out for abetter contract, incentive based or whatever and made the decision to come back & play without securing a better deal.What happened?

He blew out his knee.

You better believe he's about that decision.

Had he not held out and made it public in the first place...do you think they would not have been working to up his deal? Do you think they would have waited until he was a FA?

So your theory is, if he hadn't said he wanted a raise, he would've gotten one?Interesting, but I doubt it.

Your giving everyone a lesson in how to miss a point here, oh man.Reread the bolded part, and you have the very crux of this discussion. If he would have acted like a star, acted like Brett or Ahman, or Driver, the packers would have surely, quietly negotiated a big raise and extension for him. Regardless of him getting hurt last year.

How do some people here make it through life?

 

[MrPack]

So your theory is, if he hadn't said he wanted a raise, he would've gotten one?

Interesting, but I doubt it.

My theory is...based on what the Packers have done before with contracts and negotiating with one year left but not more...

Walker had two years left, right? Not sure how your theory historically applies, under the one year negotiating parameter base.

 

[MrPack]

So your theory is, if he hadn't said he wanted a raise, he would've gotten one?

Interesting, but I doubt it.

My theory is...based on what the Packers have done before with contracts and negotiating with one year left but not more...

Walker had two years left, right? Not sure how your theory historically applies, under the one year negotiating parameter base.

Had 2 years left...which is why I said during the season it could have been done or shortly thereafter...right there in what I wrote...

So your theory does not apply to last years request by Walker to have his contract re-negoitiated as he would've had two years left at the time.He buckled from his initial decision to hold out, came back & immediately blew out his knee.

You better believe that in retrospect, he is about that decision.