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Javon Walker - Will he be traded before or on (1 Viewer)

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With the current impasse, I'm wondering if anyone has any knowledge of when (or if) we could expect a Walker trade. Does he have certain roster bonuses that would have to be paid? Would he show up to camp just to get paid and then dog it? I guess contractually I'm a little curious. How much of a cap hit would the Packers take if they moved him?

BTW, I'm well aware there have been some JW threads but I'm not sure we've talked about the specifics of how a deal would go down and for what reasons.

 
The cap hit will be small if they trade Walker. Not that it matters since they got the 2nd most salary cap in the league and it looks like it is going to be wasted.

Here is what I do but than Thompson seems like a ######. how do you not do one thing to make sure Brett is already back is beyond me. Who cares about tomorrow.. I dont believe in a complete rebuild in the NFL with the salary limitations teams have. YOu need to if you have a bad cap situation but this is not the Packers right now.

but since he is a tool he trades him for a 2nd in the end. Not nearly enough value. I probably play hardball with him. What is he going to do. Essentially miss 2 years. he is still going to have to prove himself before some team gives him the huge dollars he is after. Than I use the transition tag on him come next year. If he sits out than your going to get him cheap anyways, If too much you might be able to work out a deal to not match. I would say the franchise but top 5 money is too much. I think Walker would quickly rethink because in the end it is all about money for him. I know owners come down on Brett all the time because of what he is doing but it is not about money for him now. It is about winning a Super Bowl and Thompson has done nothing to help that team. Even a loser franchise like the Browns has been aggressive. How I wish we had Savage to GM a storied franchise instead. Thompson should be with the Browns.

I play hardball with Walker. Even put a good offer on the table for him. I think trading for a 2nd is a waste of time. That is if they get a 2nd for a guy coming off of injury. Maybe if they had gone out and replaced Walker but trying to do in draft is silly. How many Ferguson and Murphys do we need.

 
but since he is a tool he trades him for a 2nd in the end.
I don't think that there's any way a team gives up a 2nd round pick for a guy coming off of a blown ACL and who wants a big new deal. Maybe the reason he hasn't been traded already is that nobody wants him? If he does get traded I think it would be for a 3rd rounder at best.
 
I don't think he gets traded at all. Thompson has pretty much done what he's said he would do so far as the GM of the Packers.

 
Walker's value if traded is lower than the ill effects of showing the team that you give in to players demands. Thompson already set a precedent when he traded McKenzie for a 2nd instead of letting him rot on the bench for a year - to do it yet again with another star player would just confirm that if you want out of your deal, pout and Teddy will take care of you.

I hope and I expect Walker to either play for the Packers or no NFL team in 2006.

 
Howard Eskin from WIP in Philly has been saying the Eagles are very interested in Javon, and a draft day trade is very possible.

I usually dont put much faith in the WIP guys, but Eskin does seem to be well connected. Im sure there is some validity to this rumor.

 
Walker's value if traded is lower than the ill effects of showing the team that you give in to players demands. Thompson already set a precedent when he traded McKenzie for a 2nd instead of letting him rot on the bench for a year - to do it yet again with another star player would just confirm that if you want out of your deal, pout and Teddy will take care of you.

I hope and I expect Walker to either play for the Packers or no NFL team in 2006.
That was Mike Sherman. Ted was hired just last season to be the GM. McKenzie was traded in 2004. Postive on this.
 
That said, I agree with you Doggler, I don't think Javon suits up for anybody but the Packers this season.

 
NY Giants NEED a WR like Walker..Toomer isn't getting any younger..

maybe if we don't sign Arrington we go for Walker?!?!

 
but since he is a tool he trades him for a 2nd in the end.
I don't think that there's any way a team gives up a 2nd round pick for a guy coming off of a blown ACL and who wants a big new deal. Maybe the reason he hasn't been traded already is that nobody wants him? If he does get traded I think it would be for a 3rd rounder at best.
I think a third rounder is likely too much. ACL + Attitude based on only one productive season? I don't think there is a market that will give the Pack value.The bigger problem is that even if a draft-day trade were offered, who is going to bring him in with the attitude problems he's shown unless a new contract is already negotiated? With no permission to shop himself around, there is no way a draft-day trade will occur for Walker since no team will be able to have contract negotiations completed. The Pack has shown no inclination to give anyone permission to talk to Walker, and why should they?

 
Word on the street in green bay is that there will be no trade...

and Javon will play because he needs the money. apparently spends too much on the bling..bling

 
but since he is a tool he trades him for a 2nd in the end.
I don't think that there's any way a team gives up a 2nd round pick for a guy coming off of a blown ACL and who wants a big new deal. Maybe the reason he hasn't been traded already is that nobody wants him? If he does get traded I think it would be for a 3rd rounder at best.
I think a third rounder is likely too much. ACL + Attitude based on only one productive season? I don't think there is a market that will give the Pack value.The bigger problem is that even if a draft-day trade were offered, who is going to bring him in with the attitude problems he's shown unless a new contract is already negotiated? With no permission to shop himself around, there is no way a draft-day trade will occur for Walker since no team will be able to have contract negotiations completed. The Pack has shown no inclination to give anyone permission to talk to Walker, and why should they?
What attitude are you talking about? He has not been a negative presence in the locker room or anything else. He even came in and went to play last season. Oh yeah, he also changed his agent it improve chances of GB and them to get a deal done. So, now that they are blowing him off...sources say he said he'll never play for them again. Is he stirring trouble? Matter of fact, I think he should call out B. Favre for not being a team guy and holding the team for ransome by not giving his decision already. He could of commented on Favre's attitude of "what are they going to do? Cut me?" Is he saying anything about Favre, no because he's a better guy than that. Something Favre just couldn't seem to do a year ago when he had selective calling people out (didn't say a word about Bubba Franks being out for contract reasons).Anyway, Walker's situation is similar to C. Portis a few years ago where they are clearly being underpaid for their production. GB should have stepped up and taken care of their players that are or were making them succesful. Especially since they have more cap room and are doing ABSOLUTELY nothing with it. Pretty soon GB will return to their horrible ways and find themselves at the bottom of pile year in and year out liek they used be...unless they start to take care of their own players.

 
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but since he is a tool he trades him for a 2nd in the end.
I don't think that there's any way a team gives up a 2nd round pick for a guy coming off of a blown ACL and who wants a big new deal. Maybe the reason he hasn't been traded already is that nobody wants him? If he does get traded I think it would be for a 3rd rounder at best.
I think a third rounder is likely too much. ACL + Attitude based on only one productive season? I don't think there is a market that will give the Pack value.The bigger problem is that even if a draft-day trade were offered, who is going to bring him in with the attitude problems he's shown unless a new contract is already negotiated? With no permission to shop himself around, there is no way a draft-day trade will occur for Walker since no team will be able to have contract negotiations completed. The Pack has shown no inclination to give anyone permission to talk to Walker, and why should they?
:goodposting: No one will trade for Walker when he is coming off an ACL injury, complaining about his contract, and they can't even talk to him to find out what kind of deal he would want.As a Packer fan I want them to trade him. He is too stupid to reason with. The best team for him to get a new contract from was the Packers. They have plenty of money under the cap, and a need at WR. If he just kept his mouth shut, this could have worked out really well for him.

The only argument for keeping him is that it will prevent other players from doing the same thing, and I am not certain I buy that argument.

 
but since he is a tool he trades him for a 2nd in the end.
I don't think that there's any way a team gives up a 2nd round pick for a guy coming off of a blown ACL and who wants a big new deal. Maybe the reason he hasn't been traded already is that nobody wants him? If he does get traded I think it would be for a 3rd rounder at best.
I think a third rounder is likely too much. ACL + Attitude based on only one productive season? I don't think there is a market that will give the Pack value.The bigger problem is that even if a draft-day trade were offered, who is going to bring him in with the attitude problems he's shown unless a new contract is already negotiated? With no permission to shop himself around, there is no way a draft-day trade will occur for Walker since no team will be able to have contract negotiations completed. The Pack has shown no inclination to give anyone permission to talk to Walker, and why should they?
:goodposting: No one will trade for Walker when he is coming off an ACL injury, complaining about his contract, and they can't even talk to him to find out what kind of deal he would want.As a Packer fan I want them to trade him. He is too stupid to reason with. The best team for him to get a new contract from was the Packers. They have plenty of money under the cap, and a need at WR. If he just kept his mouth shut, this could have worked out really well for him.

The only argument for keeping him is that it will prevent other players from doing the same thing, and I am not certain I buy that argument.
Isn't this a description of Culpepper? So to say it won't happen is crazy. Walker is a Top 10 NFL receiver when healthy. His value is diminished surely, but to say nobody will make a trade for him is a bit of a stretch.
 
but since he is a tool he trades him for a 2nd in the end.
I don't think that there's any way a team gives up a 2nd round pick for a guy coming off of a blown ACL and who wants a big new deal. Maybe the reason he hasn't been traded already is that nobody wants him? If he does get traded I think it would be for a 3rd rounder at best.
I think a third rounder is likely too much. ACL + Attitude based on only one productive season? I don't think there is a market that will give the Pack value.The bigger problem is that even if a draft-day trade were offered, who is going to bring him in with the attitude problems he's shown unless a new contract is already negotiated? With no permission to shop himself around, there is no way a draft-day trade will occur for Walker since no team will be able to have contract negotiations completed. The Pack has shown no inclination to give anyone permission to talk to Walker, and why should they?
:goodposting: No one will trade for Walker when he is coming off an ACL injury, complaining about his contract, and they can't even talk to him to find out what kind of deal he would want.
Javon has more talent in his recovering injured knee than the entire Philly WR corps, why wouldn't take a chance on him? Denver needs a WR badly since R. SMith is older than sin and Lelie is in the final year of his contract (and he's not consistant enough). Those are two examples of teams that could use someone like Javon. Maybe the Green & Yellow glasses should be taken off, might help to look at it objectively then. ;)

 
Howard Eskin from WIP in Philly has been saying the Eagles are very interested in Javon, and a draft day trade is very possible.

I usually dont put much faith in the WIP guys, but Eskin does seem to be well connected. Im sure there is some validity to this rumor.
I cant see the eagles giving up any draft pick for javon although he would be welcomed with opened arms. the eagles are a frustrating team to be a fan of. they set a price on a player and never go above what they feel hes worth and will not overpay for anyone even being millions under the cap, go figure
 
Oh yeah, he also changed his agent it improve chances of GB and them to get a deal done. So, now that they are blowing him off...sources say he said he'll never play for them again.
Ummm...he changed his agent...thats about where reality left you. They were notjust blowing him off...and then "sources say". He went to the media...again...and announced that he would not play for Green Bay again.

(didn't say a word about Bubba Franks being out for contract reasons).
Ignorance at its finest. Bubba was not holding out...Bubba was not under contract.
Anyway, Walker's situation is similar to C. Portis a few years ago where they are clearly being underpaid for their production. GB should have stepped up and taken care of their players that are or were making them succesful. Especially since they have more cap room and are doing ABSOLUTELY nothing with it. Pretty soon GB will return to their horrible ways and find themselves at the bottom of pile year in and year out liek they used be...unless they start to take care of their own players.
Green Bay would have taken care of this guy barring two things...the offseason idiocy of he and Rosenhaus...and the injury. Just as they did with Driver and Ferguson before him. Like Portis? Or it could be like Peerless Price...a guy has a great year...cashed in never to be nearly as good as he was the one year. Certainly a possibility. And last year...they did not have the cap room to do anything about his deal anyway. Green Bay has stepped up and taken care of its players historically. (Kampman, KGB, Tauscher, Clifton, Gree, Bubba, Driver, Ferguson......) oh wait...facts...don't let those get in the way of your rant though.

Back to their horrible ways...so is your opinion. and last year was bad...but that is no idication that they will return to the bottom year in and year out...especially with the youth of the team, the high draft choices, and the cap room.

They are taking care of their own players...you said this again...it was dumb the first time...even worse now.

 
Eagles WR rumors (Javon Walker)

4-2-06

Nothing much, but Eskin was saying the Eagles are still trying to get Walker from the Packers. It might not be until closer to the draft though before something is done.

If both teams are still talking, I'm assuming the Eagles might be offering a 4th and the Packers are trying to get a 3rd or a 4th this year and a 5th next.
4-6-06

Eskin's saying at least a 50/50 chance the Eagles get Walker. He also said Javon Walker will definetly be traded by or during the draft. He says there are about 6 teams interested in trading for him.

Get it done Eagles!
 
I see both the Pack & Walker standing strong.

It certainly looks like TT is NOT going to cave into Walker's demands. As plenty of others have pointed out, the McKenzie holdout & subsequent trade, was under a previous regieme. TT is going to set an example to the league with Walker, in that Green Bay does not tolerate player attempts at leveraging their contract situations via holdouts.

On the other hand, Walker is VERY disatissfied with his current situation in Green Bay. I figure him to retire, come back after 10 games, play the last 6 thus qualifying for FA status in 2007.

That's how I see it playing out.

 
Hypothetical question for those who say GB shouldn't trade him.

A player has to report for 6 games or it wouldn't count as a year of his contract being met. Let's say you knew with absolute certainty that if GB doesn't trade or release him this year, that Walker will hold out for 10 games and then report for 6 to become a FA next year. He may or may not be a locker room cancer during those 6 games, that is unknown.

If you knew that is what would happen, would you feel GB should trade him now and get something back for him? Or do you think they should let things play out like that and not get anything for him when he leaves in FA next year?

 
Hypothetical question for those who say GB shouldn't trade him.

A player has to report for 6 games or it wouldn't count as a year of his contract being met. Let's say you knew with absolute certainty that if GB doesn't trade or release him this year, that Walker will hold out for 10 games and then report for 6 to become a FA next year. He may or may not be a locker room cancer during those 6 games, that is unknown.

If you knew that is what would happen, would you feel GB should trade him now and get something back for him? Or do you think they should let things play out like that and not get anything for him when he leaves in FA next year?
He won't be qualify as a UFA next year, just a FA right?Wouldn't they be able to either Tender him at the 1st rd level, or Franchise him?

If Green Bay did that, they would be able to demand a 1st rd pick for him from interested teams wouldn't they?

Considering folks are speculating that Walker would bring a 2nd round pick at best currently, this would actually benefit Green Bay

 
Hypothetical question for those who say GB shouldn't trade him.

A player has to report for 6 games or it wouldn't count as a year of his contract being met. Let's say you knew with absolute certainty that if GB doesn't trade or release him this year, that Walker will hold out for 10 games and then report for 6 to become a FA next year. He may or may not be a locker room cancer during those 6 games, that is unknown.

If you knew that is what would happen, would you feel GB should trade him now and get something back for him? Or do you think they should let things play out like that and not get anything for him when he leaves in FA next year?
He won't be qualify as a UFA next year, just a FA right?Wouldn't they be able to either Tender him at the 1st rd level, or Franchise him?

If Green Bay did that, they would be able to demand a 1st rd pick for him from interested teams wouldn't they?

Considering folks are speculating that Walker would bring a 2nd round pick at best currently, this would actually benefit Green Bay
IIRC, Walker has already played 4 seasons, and you are a RFA if you only have 3 or less seasons. Walker will be 2 years past the limit for being an RFA by then.
 
Moulds was just traded for a 5th rounder. The Packers would be lucky to get a 3rd for Walker. They'll probably get a 4th. They might be able to get a 4th this year and a 4th or 5th next year.

They definetly won't get a 2nd.

 
I see both the Pack & Walker standing strong.

It certainly looks like TT is NOT going to cave into Walker's demands. As plenty of others have pointed out, the McKenzie holdout & subsequent trade, was under a previous regieme. TT is going to set an example to the league with Walker, in that Green Bay does not tolerate player attempts at leveraging their contract situations via holdouts.

On the other hand, Walker is VERY disatissfied with his current situation in Green Bay. I figure him to retire, come back after 10 games, play the last 6 thus qualifying for FA status in 2007.

That's how I see it playing out.
Good posting. And I'll add this:Green Bay franchises him next offseason if he returns to form in those 6 games.

 
Walker will become an unrestricted FA at the end of his current contract.
So the Franchis Tag would be their only real option to ensure compensation if some team wants Walker next year?
 
Eagles WR rumors (Javon Walker)

4-2-06

Nothing much, but Eskin was saying the Eagles are still trying to get Walker from the Packers. It might not be until closer to the draft though before something is done.

If both teams are still talking, I'm assuming the Eagles might be offering a 4th and the Packers are trying to get a 3rd or a 4th this year and a 5th next.
4-6-06

Eskin's saying at least a 50/50 chance the Eagles get Walker. He also said Javon Walker will definetly be traded by or during the draft. He says there are about 6 teams interested in trading for him.

Get it done Eagles!
great info! :goodposting: :thumbup:
 
Eagles WR rumors (Javon Walker)

4-2-06

Nothing much, but Eskin was saying the Eagles are still trying to get Walker from the Packers. It might not be until closer to the draft though before something is done.

If both teams are still talking, I'm assuming the Eagles might be offering a 4th and the Packers are trying to get a 3rd or a 4th this year and a 5th next.
4-6-06

Eskin's saying at least a 50/50 chance the Eagles get Walker. He also said Javon Walker will definetly be traded by or during the draft. He says there are about 6 teams interested in trading for him.

Get it done Eagles!
great info! :goodposting: :thumbup:
I think Packers fans and Eagles fans would like to see a trade. At issue is the compensation. I wouldn't let Walker go for anything less than an 2nd rounder.
 
Walker will become an unrestricted FA at the end of his current contract.
So the Franchis Tag would be their only real option to ensure compensation if some team wants Walker next year?
Yes. That, or trade him now.
With all of the current surrounding cicumstances, between the above two options, which would be in the best interests of the Packers?#1) Trade now?

#2) Franchise & trade next year?

 
Eagles WR rumors (Javon Walker)

4-2-06

Nothing much, but Eskin was saying the Eagles are still trying to get Walker from the Packers. It might not be until closer to the draft though before something is done.

If both teams are still talking, I'm assuming the Eagles might be offering a 4th and the Packers are trying to get a 3rd or a 4th this year and a 5th next.
4-6-06

Eskin's saying at least a 50/50 chance the Eagles get Walker. He also said Javon Walker will definetly be traded by or during the draft. He says there are about 6 teams interested in trading for him.

Get it done Eagles!
great info! :goodposting: :thumbup:
I think Packers fans and Eagles fans would like to see a trade. At issue is the compensation. I wouldn't let Walker go for anything less than an 2nd rounder.
I sort of agree thats what it will take, but I really don't think the Eagles will sacrifice a #2 pick for a guy coming off what was considered a very serious knee injury. I'd like to see the Eagles get him, but I'm not too optimistic of it happening.
 
Walker's value if traded is lower than the ill effects of showing the team that you give in to players demands. Thompson already set a precedent when he traded McKenzie for a 2nd instead of letting him rot on the bench for a year - to do it yet again with another star player would just confirm that if you want out of your deal, pout and Teddy will take care of you.

I hope and I expect Walker to either play for the Packers or no NFL team in 2006.
McKenzie was traded prior to Thompson taking over... MM was traded under Sherman's watch. TT didn't take over as GM Jan 2005; MM was traded in October of 2004.
 
...

With all of the current surrounding cicumstances, between the above two options, which would be in the best interests of the Packers?

#1) Trade now?

#2) Franchise & trade next year?
I'm really not sure. It would depend on how things play out, I suppose. It'll come down to a combination of leverage for the Packers and the other team, and of how good teams will feel Walker is after whatever transpires on the field.I mean, Walker could show up and be a good soldier for the 6 games, put up 100 and 1 TD a game, and teams would want him and pay more. Or he could show up, be a malcontent, and do nothing in the games he's in, and have teams less willing to trade for him than they are now.

Similar factors for the leverage. If things go poorly this year, teams may look at it and say, "The Pack can franchise him, but I doubt they will pay him that much money to come disrupt their franchise again, so I won't bother making him an offer and instead make them remove the tag."

A lot of how it could go next year will hinge on what happens this year.

 
McKenzie was traded prior to Thompson taking over... MM was traded under Sherman's watch. TT didn't take over as GM Jan 2005; MM was traded in October of 2004.
As already pointed out in Post # 7
Thompson already set a precedent when he traded McKenzie for a 2nd instead of letting him rot on the bench for a year - to do it yet again with another star player would just confirm that if you want out of your deal, pout and Teddy will take care of you.
That was Mike Sherman. Ted was hired just last season to be the GM. McKenzie was traded in 2004. Postive on this.
And Post # 19
As plenty of others have pointed out, the McKenzie holdout & subsequent trade, was under a previous regieme.
 
...

With all of the current surrounding cicumstances, between the above two options, which would be in the best interests of the Packers?

#1) Trade now?

#2) Franchise & trade next year?
I'm really not sure. It would depend on how things play out, I suppose. It'll come down to a combination of leverage for the Packers and the other team, and of how good teams will feel Walker is after whatever transpires on the field.I mean, Walker could show up and be a good soldier for the 6 games, put up 100 and 1 TD a game, and teams would want him and pay more. Or he could show up, be a malcontent, and do nothing in the games he's in, and have teams less willing to trade for him than they are now.

Similar factors for the leverage. If things go poorly this year, teams may look at it and say, "The Pack can franchise him, but I doubt they will pay him that much money to come disrupt their franchise again, so I won't bother making him an offer and instead make them remove the tag."

A lot of how it could go next year will hinge on what happens this year.
Guess our pondering this is really a moot point, as TT looks like he's going to hold firm in not letting Walker leave this year.
 
Moulds was just traded for a 5th rounder. The Packers would be lucky to get a 3rd for Walker. They'll probably get a 4th. They might be able to get a 4th this year and a 4th or 5th next year.

They definetly won't get a 2nd.
The obvious difference being, of course, Moulds had a huge cap number and was about to be released if a trade didn't go through.The Bills were in no position to keep Moulds, so they got something for him instead of just cutting him, making his value VERY low.

The Packers are in a much more dominating position. They can hold him for at LEAST 2 years. This year and a franchise tag next year.

Not to mention Walker is 28 and Moulds is what, 33/34?

Then add the fact that WR's in the draft aren't overwhelming in the least and have had quite a bit of bust in the past few years.

Say for example, Javon Walker vs Sinorice Moss/Santonio Holmes/Jason Avant? I think in this draft, if your hardup for a receiver.. you might think hard about a dropping a late 1st or second round pick.

I know this much. If all that is being offered is a 3rd or 4th.. there is no way in the universe that Ted Thompson is going to let him go.

 
Guess our pondering this is really a moot point, as TT looks like he's going to hold firm in not letting Walker leave this year.
Personally, I don't think it would be a good idea to hold onto him now and then franchise him in the hopes of trading him. Both in terms of what they might get for him and in terms of how players are going to view them as a franchise they are considering signing with.I think they'd be better off just giving him the freedom to seek a trade and negotiate with another team. I'd say the team is equally responsible for the situation and it would be better to put an end to it than to drag it on.

 
Guess our pondering this is really a moot point, as TT looks like he's going to hold firm in not letting Walker leave this year.
Personally, I don't think it would be a good idea to hold onto him now and then franchise him in the hopes of trading him. Both in terms of what they might get for him and in terms of how players are going to view them as a franchise they are considering signing with.I think they'd be better off just giving him the freedom to seek a trade and negotiate with another team. I'd say the team is equally responsible for the situation and it would be better to put an end to it than to drag it on.
I agree. It appears to be pigheaded to not even give him the option.
 
I sort of agree thats what it will take, but I really don't think the Eagles will sacrifice a #2 pick for a guy coming off what was considered a very serious knee injury. I'd like to see the Eagles get him, but I'm not too optimistic of it happening.

With todays modern medicine, dont NFL players come back from reconstructive knee surgery at 100% or so?

I know years ago, players would retire when they blew out a knee. Today that just isnt the case.

I would think that Javon's knee recovery would be cause for concern, but not as big a deal it was years ago. I think he's easily worth a #2. I would give up a #1 for him.

 
Ummm...he changed his agent...thats about where reality left you. They were not

just blowing him off...and then "sources say". He went to the media...again...and announced that he would not play for Green Bay again.
Let's see Walker said he had no interest in playing for them again. I believe a family member said that Walker would refuse or retire before playing for them. So, although Walker stated that he rather not, please trade me...HE NEVER WENT TO THE MEDIA AND SAID HE WOULD NOT. Just expressed his desire...something that Golden Boy Brett Favre can't seem to do.
Ignorance at its finest. Bubba was not holding out...Bubba was not under contract.
Oh yeah, that is right...he was tagged and would not sign his tender or come in until he got his BIG LONG TERM CONTRACT. I guess refusing to show up is not considered a hold out when you're tagged. :rolleyes:
Green Bay would have taken care of this guy barring two things...the offseason idiocy of he and Rosenhaus...and the injury.
So, what was the excuse they had last year when he wasn't injured?
And last year...they did not have the cap room to do anything about his deal anyway.
Possibly the reason, but I'm sure they could have assured him that he would be taken care of behind closed doors.
Back to their horrible ways...so is your opinion. and last year was bad...but that is no idication that they will return to the bottom year in and year out...especially with the youth of the team, the high draft choices, and the cap room.
They had cap room this year and did they use any of it to get better? Why do you think Favre will only come back if things look as though they might do better/be competitive? You mention high draft choice, how do you think you got that "high draft choice?" Yeah, by being near the bottom. Do you really think your defense is any better? You offense w/o Favre & Walker is going to be better? Yep, near the bottom again is what it looks like, especially if Favre & Walker are not back. Granted if you get soemthing for Walker and it could pan out and work for you guys.
They are taking care of their own players...you said this again...it was dumb the first time...even worse now.
Ahman Green is being taken care of right now w/ a one year contract, right? M. Mckenzie was taken care of...hey how about Grady Jackson? S. Sharper...he was taken care of too...right out the door when he helped carry the D for yrs.Don't you find it odd how McKenzie, Walker, G. Jackson lately (past year or two) have all made comments that they want to be traded or cut? Since when does an NFL team have starters say this on a year in year out basis? Just seems way to common for the Packers now, so they MUST not be really taking care of their players or at least making them feel worthy. Then again, they are taking care of Favre because they are letting him do wahtever he wants and holding them hostage...what a team guy. :thumbup:

Don't get so emtional because someone points out something negative about your team. If you take off the Green & Yellow glasses, you might be able to see things better. ;) I really don't care one way or the other what the Packers do and have no bias one way or another.

 
Ummm...he changed his agent...thats about where reality left you.  They were not

just blowing him off...and then "sources say".  He went to the media...again...and announced that he would not play for Green Bay again.
Let's see Walker said he had no interest in playing for them again. I believe a family member said that Walker would refuse or retire before playing for them. So, although Walker stated that he rather not, please trade me...HE NEVER WENT TO THE MEDIA AND SAID HE WOULD NOT. Just expressed his desire...something that Golden Boy Brett Favre can't seem to do.
Ignorance at its finest.  Bubba was not holding out...Bubba was not under contract.
Oh yeah, that is right...he was tagged and would not sign his tender or come in until he got his BIG LONG TERM CONTRACT. I guess refusing to show up is not considered a hold out when you're tagged. :rolleyes:
Green Bay would have taken care of this guy barring two things...the offseason idiocy of he and Rosenhaus...and the injury.
So, what was the excuse they had last year when he wasn't injured?
And last year...they did not have the cap room to do anything about his deal anyway.
Possibly the reason, but I'm sure they could have assured him that he would be taken care of behind closed doors.
Back to their horrible ways...so is your opinion.  and last year was bad...but that is no idication that they will return to the bottom year in and year out...especially with the youth of the team, the high draft choices, and the cap room.
They had cap room this year and did they use any of it to get better? Why do you think Favre will only come back if things look as though they might do better/be competitive? You mention high draft choice, how do you think you got that "high draft choice?" Yeah, by being near the bottom. Do you really think your defense is any better? You offense w/o Favre & Walker is going to be better? Yep, near the bottom again is what it looks like, especially if Favre & Walker are not back. Granted if you get soemthing for Walker and it could pan out and work for you guys.
They are taking care of their own players...you said this again...it was dumb the first time...even worse now.
Ahman Green is being taken care of right now w/ a one year contract, right? M. Mckenzie was taken care of...hey how about Grady Jackson? S. Sharper...he was taken care of too...right out the door when he helped carry the D for yrs.Don't you find it odd how McKenzie, Walker, G. Jackson lately (past year or two) have all made comments that they want to be traded or cut? Since when does an NFL team have starters say this on a year in year out basis? Just seems way to common for the Packers now, so they MUST not be really taking care of their players or at least making them feel worthy. Then again, they are taking care of Favre because they are letting him do wahtever he wants and holding them hostage...what a team guy. :thumbup:

Don't get so emtional because someone points out something negative about your team. If you take off the Green & Yellow glasses, you might be able to see things better. ;) I really don't care one way or the other what the Packers do and have no bias one way or another.
Wow...where to begin???Your first sentence seems ok.

Bubba was not a holdout and was not signed to a "BIG LONG TERM CONTRACT." He got market value. He thought he was worth more. His cap number is $2,085,000. Not sure what your point was here. :mellow:

Green Bay didn't redo Walker's contract because he had 2 years remaining on it and that's their policy. :)

How do you know there weren't assurances made "behind closed doors." Wouldn't really be "behind closed doors" if we knew about it huh? :confused:

Not even sure what your stance is in the next sentence. The Packers have "taken care of" Kampman, Driver, Favre, both Tackles, KGB, Al Harris... :yawn:

Ahman Green is a high mileage back with an itchy wife beating hand who is coming off a career threatening injury that may or may not allow him to play this season. Grady Jackson is a space cadet who was run out of New Orleans and Oakland. He's also had injury issues and is old. Did he sign with anybody yet? Not sure who the hell S. Sharper is but I am thinking Darren? He is what he is...a blow hard who makes the highlight reels for both the his team and the opposing team. Waaay overrated (and that ain't sour grapes either).

McKenzie had a problem with the previous Coach/GM, and that man is gone. Grady's contract expired after he tried to hold out. Walker is the only one that has issues with the current regime.

 
If I were a team like the Eagles i would trade my first round pick to the Packers for Javon Walker in addition the Packers include their second round pick for this years draft. I think this is a fair trade IMHO. Personally I think Javon is worth a second round pick possibly a first if your a team in dire need of a WR. With all the medical advances I am fairly certain Javon will be back in old form by mid season.

 
Wow...where to begin???

Your first sentence seems ok. 

Bubba was not a holdout and was not signed to a "BIG LONG TERM CONTRACT." He got market value.  He thought he was worth more.  His cap number is $2,085,000.  Not sure what your point was here.  :mellow:
Check your facts packerbacker, it's the largest contract a Packer TE has ever had...TE Franks Eager To Prove His Worth

Bob McGinn, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

After signing the largest tight end contract in team history, Bubba Franks is eager to play like the best. "Before it's all said and done I want to be known as the best tight end in Packer history, hands down," Franks said Wednesday night shortly after signing a seven-year, $28 million contract. "

Uhh, yeah...avg of 4 million a year is not market value. :rolleyes:

Green Bay didn't redo Walker's contract because he had 2 years remaining on it and that's their policy.
So what is the excuse this year then? He only 1 year left...oh yeah it the he coming off injury, right? Yeah, now you might understand why he wanted to do a del a year ago because there is always that chance and IF the organization is going to play that injury card...then why not 2 yrs out then? Hmm..sounds like having your cake and eating it too, huh?
How do you know there weren't assurances made "behind closed doors."  Wouldn't really be "behind closed doors" if we knew about it huh?  :confused:
If it was behind closed doors, the issue would be DEAD and they would have taken care of him right after the season because he would then have only ONE year left. Thus, the FO can still say they don't do deal w/ 2 yrs left and Javon gets the payback he was promised. Probably too hard to understand or carry out in the cold weather...brain freeze! :rolleyes:
Not even sure what your stance is in the next sentence.  The Packers have "taken care of" Kampman, Driver, Favre, both Tackles, KGB, Al Harris... :yawn:
Kampman was signed because many teams were HOT on his tail, if they hadn't he would have been a 1st day of FA signee. Driver and Fergy...ok. Don't list Favre because ALL NFL teams take care of their #1 QB. Hell, rookie QB's who haven't played a down get taken care of... Oh and the Tackles...wasn't the season before when both Guards walked? KGB and A. Harris...I guess so. Sheesh!
Ahman Green is a high mileage back with an itchy wife beating hand who is coming off a career threatening injury that may or may not allow him to play this season.  Grady Jackson is a space cadet who was run out of New Orleans and Oakland.  He's also had injury issues and is old.  Did he sign with anybody yet?  Not sure who the hell S. Sharper is but I am thinking Darren?  He is what he is...a blow hard who makes the highlight reels for both the his team and the opposing team.  Waaay overrated (and that ain't sour grapes either).
My bad I listed Sharper as S, when it was D for Darren. :loco: Funny how he's overrated now...wasn't when he was flying all over the field gettig balls and making tackles. :rolleyes: Grady...he might be older and fat...but he clogged up the middle of your DL because Hunt sure wan't doing the job. Oh wait, they did take care of him..too bad he was a waste of money. Yeah, how easy Ahman is made fun of and ready to be thrown away now...especially after he CARRIED your team for years..yeah he fumbles at times, but no more than Favre throws away games w/ his AWFUL interceptions. Matter of fact Favre makes throws now that rookie's don't even make... :wall:
McKenzie had a problem with the previous Coach/GM, and that man is gone. Grady's contract expired after he tried to hold out. Walker is the only one that has issues with the current regime.
Granted Walker is coming off injury, but he's the most explosive player on GB. They have basically ruined it by not working something out with him. Walker even went as far as to change agents, yes for his good too, but he knew the Packers and Rosenprick weren't goign to get it done. Javon could have handled things better himself, but surely Favre stepped out of line by opening his mouth and saying all the team stuff. That is proven by how he didn't call out Bubba for not being there, but even more so now that he is holding the team up. I have never seen a team bend over backwards as much has the Packers have for one guy. I wouldn't be surprised if secretly inside the FO people wish Favre would just retire. Prime example of the tail waggin the dog! :thumbup:
 
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So what is the excuse this year then? He only 1 year left...oh yeah it the he coming off injury, right? Yeah, now you might understand why he wanted to do a del a year ago because there is always that chance and IF the organization is going to play that injury card...then why not 2 yrs out then? Hmm..sounds like having your cake and eating it too, huh?

:rolleyes:

Dude it's April 7th and Javon came a month ago and declared he'd never play for the Pack again. He doesn't seem like he even gave the Packers the opportunity to rework his contract for this year. If it's the start of training camp and their's no word of renegociating then Javon has a beef...I don't think he has much of a beef in March, months before the season starts.
 
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Hopefully the GB brass isn't a bunch of morons trying to make a point. Trade Walker while you can get some value for him, or lose him for nothing.

 
So what is the excuse this year then? He only 1 year left...oh yeah it the he coming off injury, right? Yeah, now you might understand why he wanted to do a del a year ago because there is always that chance and IF the organization is going to play that injury card...then why not 2 yrs out then? Hmm..sounds like having your cake and eating it too, huh?

:rolleyes:

Dude it's April 7th and Javon came a month ago and declared he'd never play for the Pack again. He doesn't seem like he even gave the Packers the opportunity to rework his contract for this year. If it's the start of training camp and their's no word of renegociating then Javon has a beef...I don't think he has much of a beef in March, months before the season starts.
Uh..seems pretty clear the packers arent giving Walker a new deal...which is what set off Walker and his family and renewed this again this year...

http://www.madison.com/archives/read.php?r...1:547196:SPORTS

Gm Ted Thompson Says The Team Has No Intention Of Trading Javon Walker.

Wisconsin State Journal :: SPORTS :: D1

Saturday, March 11, 2006

JASON WILDE jwilde@madison.com 608-252-6176

GREEN BAY

He could have gone with the old reliable no comment. But he didn't.

Instead, Green Bay Packers general manager Ted Thompson made it very clear Friday the club will not accommodate recalcitrant wide receiver Javon Walker, who has demanded a trade for the second time in as many offseasons.

Although Thompson would not speak with reporters about the issue Friday, he did release a statement saying he will not negotiate with Walker, who told ESPN.com Thursday night he wants his career with the Packers to be over.

"During his time as a Green Bay Packer, Javon Walker has been well thought of by everyone here. I like Javon, certainly as a person and as a player," said Thompson, who earlier this week denied agent Kennard McGuire's request for permission to seek a trade for Walker. "That said, Javon is under contract, which he signed as a 2002 first-round draft choice ... and we expect him to honor it."
 
http://www.madison.com/archives/read.php?r...1:547196:SPORTS

Gm Ted Thompson Says The Team Has No Intention Of Trading Javon Walker.

Wisconsin State Journal :: SPORTS :: D1

Saturday, March 11, 2006

JASON WILDE jwilde@madison.com 608-252-6176

GREEN BAY

He could have gone with the old reliable no comment. But he didn't.

Instead, Green Bay Packers general manager Ted Thompson made it very clear Friday the club will not accommodate recalcitrant wide receiver Javon Walker, who has demanded a trade for the second time in as many offseasons.

Although Thompson would not speak with reporters about the issue Friday, he did release a statement saying he will not negotiate with Walker, who told ESPN.com Thursday night he wants his career with the Packers to be over.

"During his time as a Green Bay Packer, Javon Walker has been well thought of by everyone here. I like Javon, certainly as a person and as a player," said Thompson, who earlier this week denied agent Kennard McGuire's request for permission to seek a trade for Walker. "That said, Javon is under contract, which he signed as a 2002 first-round draft choice ... and we expect him to honor it."
I don't believe it. I think he gets traded. If Favre says he is playing this year, maybe they'll be more committed to keeping Walker because Favre doesn't want to play unless he thinks the team is trying to win now.If Favre retires, I think Walker is definetly gone. He's probably gone anyway.

 
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I would not trade him , i would leave him at home where he belongs .

He will hang out with TO by week 5 both on unemployment.

 
If I were a team like the Eagles i would trade my first round pick to the Packers for Javon Walker in addition the Packers include their second round pick for this years draft. I think this is a fair trade IMHO. Personally I think Javon is worth a second round pick possibly a first if your a team in dire need of a WR. With all the medical advances I am fairly certain Javon will be back in old form by mid season.
I don't think there's any shot anyone gives a 1st for him since there are a few ???? about his health now. I can see someone giving a late 2nd or early 3rd though (and maybe a pick next year).
 
Going back to questions. What happens if the Packers do franchise him next year. If he does not sign the tender than another year missed. If he waits till last 6 games again, than the Packers did not pay too much and still have the right to trade him. If his behaviour is determential to the team can they suspend him and does he count towards the cap ????

In the end, money talks and Thompson unlike last year where they where up against it, has the money to play with Javon instead of giving into his demands. Dont forget that if this is Bretts last year, that they will have even more come next year. Walker is taking a big chance with his stand IMO. Needs those millions to pay all those that come out and say what he is thinking :)

 

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