Javon Walker (1 Viewer)

[packersfan]

What a disappointment this guy's career has been. He's only had two seasons worthy of a No. 1 pick, he griped his way out of not one but two teams with promising passing games and now he's reportedly out of shape with the Raiders. I can't believe anybody would touch this guy this year.

From ProFootballTalk.com:

WALKER’S CONDITIONING CAUSES CONCERN

Posted by Mike Florio on May 20, 2008, 1:32 a.m.

So how is receiver Javon Walker repaying the Oakland Raiders for taking a leap of faith on him, giving him a big pile of guaranteed money despite concerns regarding lingering knee trouble?

By showing up for offseason workouts out of shape.

Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that there are concerns about Walker’s conditioning. In March, Walker signed a six-year, $55 million contract, with $18 million in guaranteed money.

If it’s true that Walker has decided to let himself go, perhaps he was influenced in part by the team’s misguided effort to spread misinformation about the true value of Walker’s deal, after the Raiders faced some immediate criticism for paying Walker so much money. Typically, NFL teams will stand silent even when a player or his agent are overstating the terms of a contract, in order to ensure that the player remains happy and content. It’s unprecedented (with the exception of Walker’s case) for a team to quibble inaccurately with the terms of a contract that a player has signed.

 

[Banger]

That's what the Raiders get for an incredibly stupid signing.

 

[Silver & Black]

I wonder if this is the same source that reported how out of shape Jamarcus was.

 

[Sabertooth]

Walker is a head case. To have Darrent Williams die in his arms was tragic and he doesn't appear to have the emotional toolkit to deal with that.

 

[Chunky Soup]

Walker is a head case. To have Darrent Williams die in his arms was tragic and he doesn't appear to have the emotional toolkit to deal with that.

I've seen this brought up by a few on this board but never outside of it. Why are you assuming he hasn't dealt with this appropriately?

 

[lord_helmet]

Way too early to write this guy off IMO, he has the goods to succeed. If he's out of shape in october report back.

 

[zamboni]

Way too early to write this guy off IMO, he has the goods to succeed. If he's out of shape in october report back.

I agree, but I'm thinking training camp rather than October to get a sense of where he stands.

 

[Sabertooth]

Way too early to write this guy off IMO, he has the goods to succeed. If he's out of shape in october report back.

He'll probably be injured by then. Look, he's going to be 30 in October. He hasn't shown much outside of the one season back in Green Bay. Look like Tarzan, play like Jane type of player. He's the Uber-Bob Ferguson.

 

[One]

We must be really bored.

 

[lord_helmet]

He shows up in the games, I don't care what people say about him right now. The only concern I have is about the knee holding up.

 

[BoltBacker]

What a disappointment this guy's career has been. He's only had two seasons worthy of a No. 1 pick, he griped his way out of not one but two teams with promising passing games and now he's reportedly out of shape with the Raiders. I can't believe anybody would touch this guy this year.

He did? I thought he simply didn't want to take a pay cut and if DEN didn't want to offer the contract they signed him to he'd rather be an unrestricted FA and let the market decide his value. Looks like a good call on his part. He sounded to me like a guy that wanted to stay in that offense with Marshall and Stokley but didn't want to accept DEN cutting his salary...."My big deal didn't kick in until this year," Walker said. "I went into the season got injured, and couldn't play as many games and couldn't perform at the level I'm capable of, and then at the end of the year, you ask me to take a pay cut, right when it just kicked in?

"It's not like I was into the deal three, four years, and I'm getting ready to hit a base salary. I haven't been a full year into this deal (since) March.

"I'm looking at it as, I feel like I still have my best years to come."

Walker said he hopes to be a part of an explosive receiving corps, playing alongside Brandon Marshall and Brandon Stokley.

"You get an offense where you're spreading the ball between Stokley and Marshall and myself, it's potent," Walker said. "Nobody can stop us. Obviously, we know what we have to work towards when we get to '08, and that's just exciting. I'm just looking forward to just getting back to full speed, because I know what I can do when I'm 100 percent."

 

[Chunky Soup]

Way too early to write this guy off IMO, he has the goods to succeed. If he's out of shape in october report back.

He'll probably be injured by then. Look, he's going to be 30 in October. He hasn't shown much outside of the one season back in Green Bay. Look like Tarzan, play like Jane type of player. He's the Uber-Bob Ferguson.

In 2006, after switching teams and just recovering from a knee injury he had 1080/8, good enough for #8 finish. That also includes 4.5 games with a rookie QB. He started off 2007 with two consecutive 100 yard games before getting injured. Between these and the GB season, he has certainly shown he can play.And, so what if Walker is 29;Steve Smith is 29.Reggie Wayne is 29.TJ Housh and Chad Johnson are 30.Yet no one questions their age. The reason? It's not old for a WR.

 

[bcr8f]

This post is clearly designed to lure HK in here.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

He's firmly planted on my Do Not Draft list for the forseeable future, (ie eternity)

 

[Sabertooth]

Way too early to write this guy off IMO, he has the goods to succeed. If he's out of shape in october report back.

He'll probably be injured by then. Look, he's going to be 30 in October. He hasn't shown much outside of the one season back in Green Bay. Look like Tarzan, play like Jane type of player. He's the Uber-Bob Ferguson.

In 2006, after switching teams and just recovering from a knee injury he had 1080/8, good enough for #8 finish. That also includes 4.5 games with a rookie QB. He started off 2007 with two consecutive 100 yard games before getting injured. Between these and the GB season, he has certainly shown he can play.

And, so what if Walker is 29; 252 3815

Steve Smith is 29. 431 5927

Reggie Wayne is 29. 494 6984

TJ Housh and Chad Johnson are 30. 415 4878 and 559 8365

Yet no one questions their age. The reason? It's not old for a WR.

No one questions their age because they've all accomplished a hell of a lot more than Walker. Interesting as well that these players all play for the teams that drafted them. Walker is on his third team in 4 years.

 

[bcr8f]

He's firmly planted on my Do Not Draft list for the forseeable future, (ie eternity)

You're not very smart then. If he's there at 100(9th-10th round) I'm glad you won't draft him.2006 and the first 2 games of 2007(17 catches over 200 yards those 2 games) he was very good. I his injury is healed he will be top 10-20.

 

[Phurfur]

What a disappointment this guy's career has been. He's only had two seasons worthy of a No. 1 pick, he griped his way out of not one but two teams with promising passing games and now he's reportedly out of shape with the Raiders. I can't believe anybody would touch this guy this year. From ProFootballTalk.com:WALKER’S CONDITIONING CAUSES CONCERNPosted by Mike Florio on May 20, 2008, 1:32 a.m. So how is receiver Javon Walker repaying the Oakland Raiders for taking a leap of faith on him, giving him a big pile of guaranteed money despite concerns regarding lingering knee trouble?By showing up for offseason workouts out of shape.Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that there are concerns about Walker’s conditioning. In March, Walker signed a six-year, $55 million contract, with $18 million in guaranteed money.If it’s true that Walker has decided to let himself go, perhaps he was influenced in part by the team’s misguided effort to spread misinformation about the true value of Walker’s deal, after the Raiders faced some immediate criticism for paying Walker so much money. Typically, NFL teams will stand silent even when a player or his agent are overstating the terms of a contract, in order to ensure that the player remains happy and content. It’s unprecedented (with the exception of Walker’s case) for a team to quibble inaccurately with the terms of a contract that a player has signed.

Walker (with the help of his agent) determined money was more important than being a great WR years ago in GB. He got his wish but he could have had both.

 

[TheFanatic]

What a disappointment this guy's career has been. He's only had two seasons worthy of a No. 1 pick, he griped his way out of not one but two teams with promising passing games and now he's reportedly out of shape with the Raiders. I can't believe anybody would touch this guy this year.

From ProFootballTalk.com:

WALKER’S CONDITIONING CAUSES CONCERN

Posted by Mike Florio on May 20, 2008, 1:32 a.m.

So how is receiver Javon Walker repaying the Oakland Raiders for taking a leap of faith on him, giving him a big pile of guaranteed money despite concerns regarding lingering knee trouble?

By showing up for offseason workouts out of shape.

Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that there are concerns about Walker’s conditioning. In March, Walker signed a six-year, $55 million contract, with $18 million in guaranteed money.

If it’s true that Walker has decided to let himself go, perhaps he was influenced in part by the team’s misguided effort to spread misinformation about the true value of Walker’s deal, after the Raiders faced some immediate criticism for paying Walker so much money. Typically, NFL teams will stand silent even when a player or his agent are overstating the terms of a contract, in order to ensure that the player remains happy and content. It’s unprecedented (with the exception of Walker’s case) for a team to quibble inaccurately with the terms of a contract that a player has signed.

If this is true, i would have to say, welcome to the Raiders Javon. What did you expect? Seems to be a match made in heaven. The Raiders and Walker deserve each other...

This from a Walker owner who has him under contract for one more year. I don't think I will be picking up his option for 2009 unless he really shows me something in the first 5 weeks of the season..

 

[kaso]

Oh wait, Walker is overweight now? Is that because Russell proved he wasn't?

 

[sholditch]

We must be really bored.

 

[Big Score]

Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp likes what he sees of wide receiver Javon Walker, on whom the Raiders have gambled $16 million in guaranteed money on despite playing in 25 of 48 games over the past three years due to injury.Walker is coming off knee surgery but is expected to be ready for the mandatory June minicamp."His progress has been excellent," Knapp said. "What I've found is that guys who have reached a certain status -- and I was with (Walker) back at the Pro Bowl in '04 when he was with Green Bay -- have gone something to prove.They've got a little hunger and a little fire. He wants to show everybody, `Hey, I wasn't done. Here I am again.' "

 

[Jedimaster21]

People are definitely writing him off way too early. He definitely has the skill set to be a #1 WR in the NFL, and his QB has a very strong arm. He also still young enough to grow with Russel and have several productive years. There are definitely questions about his knee and attitude, along with the Raiders organization, but what other WR can you get as late as he is going with that kind of upside?

 

[BoltBacker]

People are definitely writing him off way too early. He definitely has the skill set to be a #1 WR in the NFL, and his QB has a very strong arm. He also still young enough to grow with Russel and have several productive years. There are definitely questions about his knee and attitude, along with the Raiders organization, but what other WR can you get as late as he is going with that kind of upside?

How late is he going?

 

[TheFanatic]

Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp likes what he sees of wide receiver Javon Walker, on whom the Raiders have gambled $16 million in guaranteed money on despite playing in 25 of 48 games over the past three years due to injury.Walker is coming off knee surgery but is expected to be ready for the mandatory June minicamp."His progress has been excellent," Knapp said. "What I've found is that guys who have reached a certain status -- and I was with (Walker) back at the Pro Bowl in '04 when he was with Green Bay -- have gone something to prove.They've got a little hunger and a little fire. He wants to show everybody, `Hey, I wasn't done. Here I am again.' "

Link?

 

[Jedimaster21]

People are definitely writing him off way too early. He definitely has the skill set to be a #1 WR in the NFL, and his QB has a very strong arm. He also still young enough to grow with Russel and have several productive years. There are definitely questions about his knee and attitude, along with the Raiders organization, but what other WR can you get as late as he is going with that kind of upside?

How late is he going?

That is a good question, and I am actually not sure what his current ADP is. However, with what I have read in this thread, plus the current dynasty rankings posted, he represents a pretty good value/upside combo in a dynasty format. To go along with all of my praise, I also want to be clear that I would definitely not draft him looking to put him in my lineup immediately. This isn't a player that you want to count on as a 1 or 2 this season (although if things break right he could be productive), but is more a long term dynasty buy low.

 

[jaybebo]

People are definitely writing him off way too early. He definitely has the skill set to be a #1 WR in the NFL, and his QB has a very strong arm. He also still young enough to grow with Russel and have several productive years. There are definitely questions about his knee and attitude, along with the Raiders organization, but what other WR can you get as late as he is going with that kind of upside?

How late is he going?

In my Z55 dynasty draft on Zealots, he went at 7.04. He was the 28th wide receiver off the board.

 

[Almas_4th_Child]

People are definitely writing him off way too early. He definitely has the skill set to be a #1 WR in the NFL, and his QB has a very strong arm. He also still young enough to grow with Russel and have several productive years. There are definitely questions about his knee and attitude, along with the Raiders organization, but what other WR can you get as late as he is going with that kind of upside?

How late is he going?

I got him past pick 100 in a dynasty draft a couple of weeks ago.

 

[-OZ-]

People are definitely writing him off way too early. He definitely has the skill set to be a #1 WR in the NFL, and his QB has a very strong arm. He also still young enough to grow with Russel and have several productive years. There are definitely questions about his knee and attitude, along with the Raiders organization, but what other WR can you get as late as he is going with that kind of upside?

How late is he going?

That is a good question, and I am actually not sure what his current ADP is. However, with what I have read in this thread, plus the current dynasty rankings posted, he represents a pretty good value/upside combo in a dynasty format. To go along with all of my praise, I also want to be clear that I would definitely not draft him looking to put him in my lineup immediately. This isn't a player that you want to count on as a 1 or 2 this season (although if things break right he could be productive), but is more a long term dynasty buy low.

You know, you're probably right. FWIW, I had him in two leagues, in one I wouldn't be able to get a 2nd for him, in the other I just shipped him off for Brady Quinn. Honestly may have sold too low, but I needed a backup QB and I really like Quinn long term.

 

[wraith5]

People are definitely writing him off way too early. He definitely has the skill set to be a #1 WR in the NFL, and his QB has a very strong arm. He also still young enough to grow with Russel and have several productive years. There are definitely questions about his knee and attitude, along with the Raiders organization, but what other WR can you get as late as he is going with that kind of upside?

How late is he going?

In the WSL leagues, he went 4.05, (WR18), 4.12 (WR23) and 5.15 (to me - WR29) In the PDSL leagues, he went 6.03 (WR31), 3.12 (WR16) , 6.08 (WR35) and 6.07 (WR34)In the SSL leagues, he went 5.03 (WR26), 4.10 (WR22), 6.06 (WR33) and 6.10 (to me - WR38)

 

[massraider]

What a disappointment this guy's career has been. He's only had two seasons worthy of a No. 1 pick, he griped his way out of not one but two teams with promising passing games and now he's reportedly out of shape with the Raiders. I can't believe anybody would touch this guy this year.

From ProFootballTalk.com:

WALKER’S CONDITIONING CAUSES CONCERN

Posted by Mike Florio on May 20, 2008, 1:32 a.m.

So how is receiver Javon Walker repaying the Oakland Raiders for taking a leap of faith on him, giving him a big pile of guaranteed money despite concerns regarding lingering knee trouble?

By showing up for offseason workouts out of shape.

Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that there are concerns about Walker’s conditioning. In March, Walker signed a six-year, $55 million contract, with $18 million in guaranteed money.

If it’s true that Walker has decided to let himself go, perhaps he was influenced in part by the team’s misguided effort to spread misinformation about the true value of Walker’s deal, after the Raiders faced some immediate criticism for paying Walker so much money. Typically, NFL teams will stand silent even when a player or his agent are overstating the terms of a contract, in order to ensure that the player remains happy and content. It’s unprecedented (with the exception of Walker’s case) for a team to quibble inaccurately with the terms of a contract that a player has signed.

If this is true, i would have to say, welcome to the Raiders Javon. What did you expect? Seems to be a match made in heaven. The Raiders and Walker deserve each other...

You're better than this.This is the worst kind of speculation from PFT, this is as random as them musing that perhaps Walker is upset that McFadden is stealing some of his thunder, or maybe the Drew Carter signing upset him. It has no basis in fact, and is as credible a statement as you or I saying it.

In case anyone was wondering, this is not inside info. Posted by Jerry MacDonald in his blog, last Thursday:

As for the rest of the receiving crew, Drew Carter outperformed the more expensive Javon Walker, who Kiffin said needs to improve his conditioning.

Hard to believe a WR coming off knee surgery might need to work on his conditioning.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

Although it's not positive 'news', I certainly would be more concerned if we're talking about regular training camp.

 

[sho nuff]

Way too early to write this guy off IMO, he has the goods to succeed. If he's out of shape in october report back.

He'll probably be injured by then. Look, he's going to be 30 in October. He hasn't shown much outside of the one season back in Green Bay. Look like Tarzan, play like Jane type of player. He's the Uber-Bob Ferguson.

In 2006, after switching teams and just recovering from a knee injury he had 1080/8, good enough for #8 finish. That also includes 4.5 games with a rookie QB. He started off 2007 with two consecutive 100 yard games before getting injured. Between these and the GB season, he has certainly shown he can play.And, so what if Walker is 29;Steve Smith is 29.Reggie Wayne is 29.TJ Housh and Chad Johnson are 30.Yet no one questions their age. The reason? It's not old for a WR.

The reason is they have put together more than one stud like year and don't look to be slowing down...they are not having continual problems with a surgically repaired knee...until Chad this year, they were not head cases...they are not supposedly out of shape right now as well...

 

[Flash]

That's what the Raiders get for an incredibly stupid signing.

But wait, half the SP trashed the Packers for not signing him to a huge extension.Can't be true!

 

[sho nuff]

He's firmly planted on my Do Not Draft list for the forseeable future, (ie eternity)

You're not very smart then. If he's there at 100(9th-10th round) I'm glad you won't draft him.2006 and the first 2 games of 2007(17 catches over 200 yards those 2 games) he was very good. I his injury is healed he will be top 10-20.

What would make anyone think his injury is healed up...it has not been completely right since he hurt it in GB.

 

[Big Score]

Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp likes what he sees of wide receiver Javon Walker, on whom the Raiders have gambled $16 million in guaranteed money on despite playing in 25 of 48 games over the past three years due to injury.

Walker is coming off knee surgery but is expected to be ready for the mandatory June minicamp.

"His progress has been excellent," Knapp said. "What I've found is that guys who have reached a certain status -- and I was with (Walker) back at the Pro Bowl in '04 when he was with Green Bay -- have gone something to prove.

They've got a little hunger and a little fire. He wants to show everybody, `Hey, I wasn't done. Here I am again.' "

Link?

www.nfldraftscout.com

 

[maxwelledison]

Any investment but a very late-round flier on this guy is total waste of an asset. And I still wouldn't use that late rounder on him.

 

[Phurfur]

That's what the Raiders get for an incredibly stupid signing.

But wait, half the SP trashed the Packers for not signing him to a huge extension.Can't be true!

I remember that, everyone but a few Packer fans trashed GB for letting him go. I believe the word cheap came up many times.

 

[Todem]

Javon represents some very nice value in dynasty drafts. I was able to nab him in a start up at 7.01 I felt hey in the 7th round I have a chance to land a top 20 WR with upside to be top 10 and put up elite type numbers over the next few years playing with a young studs like McFadden and Russell. He has had some injury problems and apparently from all indications he is 100% ready to roll.

I would not be concerned about conditioning problems in May coming off knee surgery. By September he will be in game shape. He is a great buy low canidate right now.

 

[TheFanatic]

Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp likes what he sees of wide receiver Javon Walker, on whom the Raiders have gambled $16 million in guaranteed money on despite playing in 25 of 48 games over the past three years due to injury.

Walker is coming off knee surgery but is expected to be ready for the mandatory June minicamp.

"His progress has been excellent," Knapp said. "What I've found is that guys who have reached a certain status -- and I was with (Walker) back at the Pro Bowl in '04 when he was with Green Bay -- have gone something to prove.

They've got a little hunger and a little fire. He wants to show everybody, `Hey, I wasn't done. Here I am again.' "

Link?

www.nfldraftscout.com

Thanks. Considering the recent date of this (May 8th) and the erroneous report that Russell was out of weight, I have to say that I'm giving less and less credence to all of this talk of Walker being a bum here. Kiffin could be motivating him to be in the offseason conditioning program more often. Speculation on an out of context remark. Outright wrong. Either way, I think I would need some more credible sources before I start looking at Walker as a POS that signed the offer and then went to White Castle for a month. Still, the part about the Raiders trying to downplay what they paid Walker is comical. According to the CBA it will be public record shortly. They can't get away with that lie....

 

[packersfan]

Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp likes what he sees of wide receiver Javon Walker, on whom the Raiders have gambled $16 million in guaranteed money on despite playing in 25 of 48 games over the past three years due to injury.Walker is coming off knee surgery but is expected to be ready for the mandatory June minicamp."His progress has been excellent," Knapp said. "What I've found is that guys who have reached a certain status -- and I was with (Walker) back at the Pro Bowl in '04 when he was with Green Bay -- have gone something to prove.They've got a little hunger and a little fire. He wants to show everybody, `Hey, I wasn't done. Here I am again.' "

And on the flip side, here's something from RotoWorld late last week:Javon Walker was reportedly outplayed by Drew Carter at Oakland's recent OTAs. Coach Lane Kiffin says Walker needs to improve his conditioning.We don't put much stock in summer practice reports for most veterans, but Walker is a different case. He has a ton to prove after looking like a shell of his former self last winter because of his chronic knee problems. We are ranking him as a fantasy reserve until he shows something, and this is a rough start.

 

[Todem]

Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp likes what he sees of wide receiver Javon Walker, on whom the Raiders have gambled $16 million in guaranteed money on despite playing in 25 of 48 games over the past three years due to injury.Walker is coming off knee surgery but is expected to be ready for the mandatory June minicamp."His progress has been excellent," Knapp said. "What I've found is that guys who have reached a certain status -- and I was with (Walker) back at the Pro Bowl in '04 when he was with Green Bay -- have gone something to prove.They've got a little hunger and a little fire. He wants to show everybody, `Hey, I wasn't done. Here I am again.' "

And on the flip side, here's something from RotoWorld late last week:Javon Walker was reportedly outplayed by Drew Carter at Oakland's recent OTAs. Coach Lane Kiffin says Walker needs to improve his conditioning.We don't put much stock in summer practice reports for most veterans, but Walker is a different case. He has a ton to prove after looking like a shell of his former self last winter because of his chronic knee problems. We are ranking him as a fantasy reserve until he shows something, and this is a rough start.

Yawn. Roto world...blech.

 

[packersfan]

Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp likes what he sees of wide receiver Javon Walker, on whom the Raiders have gambled $16 million in guaranteed money on despite playing in 25 of 48 games over the past three years due to injury.

Walker is coming off knee surgery but is expected to be ready for the mandatory June minicamp.

"His progress has been excellent," Knapp said. "What I've found is that guys who have reached a certain status -- and I was with (Walker) back at the Pro Bowl in '04 when he was with Green Bay -- have gone something to prove.

They've got a little hunger and a little fire. He wants to show everybody, `Hey, I wasn't done. Here I am again.' "

And on the flip side, here's something from RotoWorld late last week:Javon Walker was reportedly outplayed by Drew Carter at Oakland's recent OTAs. Coach Lane Kiffin says Walker needs to improve his conditioning.

We don't put much stock in summer practice reports for most veterans, but Walker is a different case. He has a ton to prove after looking like a shell of his former self last winter because of his chronic knee problems. We are ranking him as a fantasy reserve until he shows something, and this is a rough start.

Yawn. Roto world...blech.

I think the bolded part is of more interest than whether or not it comes from RotoWorld or RotoWire or KFFL or whoever.

 

[Phurfur]

Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp likes what he sees of wide receiver Javon Walker, on whom the Raiders have gambled $16 million in guaranteed money on despite playing in 25 of 48 games over the past three years due to injury.Walker is coming off knee surgery but is expected to be ready for the mandatory June minicamp."His progress has been excellent," Knapp said. "What I've found is that guys who have reached a certain status -- and I was with (Walker) back at the Pro Bowl in '04 when he was with Green Bay -- have gone something to prove.They've got a little hunger and a little fire. He wants to show everybody, `Hey, I wasn't done. Here I am again.' "

And on the flip side, here's something from RotoWorld late last week:Javon Walker was reportedly outplayed by Drew Carter at Oakland's recent OTAs. Coach Lane Kiffin says Walker needs to improve his conditioning.We don't put much stock in summer practice reports for most veterans, but Walker is a different case. He has a ton to prove after looking like a shell of his former self last winter because of his chronic knee problems. We are ranking him as a fantasy reserve until he shows something, and this is a rough start.

Yawn. Roto world...blech.

I have found them more reliable than ESPN.

 

[Todem]

Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp likes what he sees of wide receiver Javon Walker, on whom the Raiders have gambled $16 million in guaranteed money on despite playing in 25 of 48 games over the past three years due to injury.

Walker is coming off knee surgery but is expected to be ready for the mandatory June minicamp.

"His progress has been excellent," Knapp said. "What I've found is that guys who have reached a certain status -- and I was with (Walker) back at the Pro Bowl in '04 when he was with Green Bay -- have gone something to prove.

They've got a little hunger and a little fire. He wants to show everybody, `Hey, I wasn't done. Here I am again.' "

And on the flip side, here's something from RotoWorld late last week:Javon Walker was reportedly outplayed by Drew Carter at Oakland's recent OTAs. Coach Lane Kiffin says Walker needs to improve his conditioning.

We don't put much stock in summer practice reports for most veterans, but Walker is a different case. He has a ton to prove after looking like a shell of his former self last winter because of his chronic knee problems. We are ranking him as a fantasy reserve until he shows something, and this is a rough start.

Yawn. Roto world...blech.

I think the bolded part is of more interest than whether or not it comes from RotoWorld or RotoWire or KFFL or whoever.

True. Training camp is not even open. Javon will be fine and I think this is being read into way to much.

 

[Todem]

Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp likes what he sees of wide receiver Javon Walker, on whom the Raiders have gambled $16 million in guaranteed money on despite playing in 25 of 48 games over the past three years due to injury.Walker is coming off knee surgery but is expected to be ready for the mandatory June minicamp."His progress has been excellent," Knapp said. "What I've found is that guys who have reached a certain status -- and I was with (Walker) back at the Pro Bowl in '04 when he was with Green Bay -- have gone something to prove.They've got a little hunger and a little fire. He wants to show everybody, `Hey, I wasn't done. Here I am again.' "

And on the flip side, here's something from RotoWorld late last week:Javon Walker was reportedly outplayed by Drew Carter at Oakland's recent OTAs. Coach Lane Kiffin says Walker needs to improve his conditioning.We don't put much stock in summer practice reports for most veterans, but Walker is a different case. He has a ton to prove after looking like a shell of his former self last winter because of his chronic knee problems. We are ranking him as a fantasy reserve until he shows something, and this is a rough start.

Yawn. Roto world...blech.

I have found them more reliable than ESPN.

Hard to find reliable anymore peroid. LOL.

 

[massraider]

Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp likes what he sees of wide receiver Javon Walker, on whom the Raiders have gambled $16 million in guaranteed money on despite playing in 25 of 48 games over the past three years due to injury.

Walker is coming off knee surgery but is expected to be ready for the mandatory June minicamp.

"His progress has been excellent," Knapp said. "What I've found is that guys who have reached a certain status -- and I was with (Walker) back at the Pro Bowl in '04 when he was with Green Bay -- have gone something to prove.

They've got a little hunger and a little fire. He wants to show everybody, `Hey, I wasn't done. Here I am again.' "

And on the flip side, here's something from RotoWorld late last week:Javon Walker was reportedly outplayed by Drew Carter at Oakland's recent OTAs. Coach Lane Kiffin says Walker needs to improve his conditioning.

We don't put much stock in summer practice reports for most veterans, but Walker is a different case. He has a ton to prove after looking like a shell of his former self last winter because of his chronic knee problems. We are ranking him as a fantasy reserve until he shows something, and this is a rough start.

Yawn. Roto world...blech.

I think the bolded part is of more interest than whether or not it comes from RotoWorld or RotoWire or KFFL or whoever.

True. Training camp is not even open. Javon will be fine and I think this is being read into way to much.

There's only one guy here reading too much into it.

 

[Big Score]

Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp likes what he sees of wide receiver Javon Walker, on whom the Raiders have gambled $16 million in guaranteed money on despite playing in 25 of 48 games over the past three years due to injury.

Walker is coming off knee surgery but is expected to be ready for the mandatory June minicamp.

"His progress has been excellent," Knapp said. "What I've found is that guys who have reached a certain status -- and I was with (Walker) back at the Pro Bowl in '04 when he was with Green Bay -- have gone something to prove.

They've got a little hunger and a little fire. He wants to show everybody, `Hey, I wasn't done. Here I am again.' "

And on the flip side, here's something from RotoWorld late last week:Javon Walker was reportedly outplayed by Drew Carter at Oakland's recent OTAs. Coach Lane Kiffin says Walker needs to improve his conditioning.

We don't put much stock in summer practice reports for most veterans, but Walker is a different case. He has a ton to prove after looking like a shell of his former self last winter because of his chronic knee problems. We are ranking him as a fantasy reserve until he shows something, and this is a rough start.

Yawn. Roto world...blech.

I think the bolded part is of more interest than whether or not it comes from RotoWorld or RotoWire or KFFL or whoever.

Would it interest to you know that Rotoworld got that off some guys blog?And even worse, only repeated a partial of the blog?

Here's the rest of what the blogger said, which Rotoworld edited out.

Todd Watkins is the sleeper, a big, active, former BYU receiver who could make a run if he continues his progress.

http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/2008/05/16/ota-leftovers

 

[ookook]

The Packers fans (like me) here are still peeved at Walker.

Over-rated? Probably. Able to perform well? Sometimes. Chance he hooks up with a young QB and puts up good fantasy numbers? Middling.

I think he starts to look like value somewhere after the 24th WR is off the board.

 

[packersfan]

Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp likes what he sees of wide receiver Javon Walker, on whom the Raiders have gambled $16 million in guaranteed money on despite playing in 25 of 48 games over the past three years due to injury.

Walker is coming off knee surgery but is expected to be ready for the mandatory June minicamp.

"His progress has been excellent," Knapp said. "What I've found is that guys who have reached a certain status -- and I was with (Walker) back at the Pro Bowl in '04 when he was with Green Bay -- have gone something to prove.

They've got a little hunger and a little fire. He wants to show everybody, `Hey, I wasn't done. Here I am again.' "

And on the flip side, here's something from RotoWorld late last week:Javon Walker was reportedly outplayed by Drew Carter at Oakland's recent OTAs. Coach Lane Kiffin says Walker needs to improve his conditioning.

We don't put much stock in summer practice reports for most veterans, but Walker is a different case. He has a ton to prove after looking like a shell of his former self last winter because of his chronic knee problems. We are ranking him as a fantasy reserve until he shows something, and this is a rough start.

Yawn. Roto world...blech.

I think the bolded part is of more interest than whether or not it comes from RotoWorld or RotoWire or KFFL or whoever.

Would it interest to you know that Rotoworld got that off some guys blog?

That's of some interest but that doesn't change the initial report which came from Adam Schefter, who in my opinion is one of the NFL beat writers around.And to be clear, I'm not peeved at Walker as a Packer fan. That ship sailed a long time ago. If anything, I'm peeved at Walker for being a dog last season when he was on my fantasy team.

 

[massraider]

Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp likes what he sees of wide receiver Javon Walker, on whom the Raiders have gambled $16 million in guaranteed money on despite playing in 25 of 48 games over the past three years due to injury.

Walker is coming off knee surgery but is expected to be ready for the mandatory June minicamp.

"His progress has been excellent," Knapp said. "What I've found is that guys who have reached a certain status -- and I was with (Walker) back at the Pro Bowl in '04 when he was with Green Bay -- have gone something to prove.

They've got a little hunger and a little fire. He wants to show everybody, `Hey, I wasn't done. Here I am again.' "

And on the flip side, here's something from RotoWorld late last week:Javon Walker was reportedly outplayed by Drew Carter at Oakland's recent OTAs. Coach Lane Kiffin says Walker needs to improve his conditioning.

We don't put much stock in summer practice reports for most veterans, but Walker is a different case. He has a ton to prove after looking like a shell of his former self last winter because of his chronic knee problems. We are ranking him as a fantasy reserve until he shows something, and this is a rough start.

Yawn. Roto world...blech.

I think the bolded part is of more interest than whether or not it comes from RotoWorld or RotoWire or KFFL or whoever.

Would it interest to you know that Rotoworld got that off some guys blog?

That's of some interest but that doesn't change the initial report which came from Adam Schefter, who in my opinion is one of the NFL beat writers around.And to be clear, I'm not peeved at Walker as a Packer fan. That ship sailed a long time ago. If anything, I'm peeved at Walker for being a dog last season when he was on my fantasy team.

No, it didn't. It came from the blog posted above, last Thursday.