Jay Cutler (1 Viewer)

[two_dollars]

Orton has a 1.52 to 1 ratio.Schaub has a 1.51 to 1 ratio.E. Manning has a 1.43 to 1 ratio.Cutler has a 1.29 to 1 ratio.He is DEAD last! This really should not be a mystery.

Strange list in that the NFL's current "gun slinger" poster boy Brett Favre is missing... along with his career TD:INT of 1.52 (and current 2010 TD:INT ratio of 0.63)!Cutler has major issues, I am convinced of that... but other factors must combine to add to the mix... Devin Hester dropped a long TD pass last night that didn't help anybody.

Yeah, apparently Dancing Bear thinks there are only 17 qb's in the nfl.. or he cut it off wherever Cutler was and called him "last." Probably a journalist for MSNBC when he isn't posting here.

 

[two_dollars]

Does Cutler do a lot of things that invite criticism? Absolutely.

But blaming him for all of the Bears problems is just asinine.

And I think it is funny that two years ago, Cutler detractors were saying he couldn't win, and blew his very good numbers in Denver off as meaningless, but now that he is winning and his stats aren't that good, suddenly his mediocre numbers in some games are all that count. It is downright comical.

I agree on your first two sentences... but not on the last.Cutler isn't "winning" anything. He still hasn't shown that he can carry a team down the field and drive them to a win when it counts. In Denver, the defense was blamed for giving up too many points for Cutler to overcome. Now he's in Chicago, and the defense is shutting out teams and you want to give him credit for the wins?

Hahahaha, Miami folded, and Cutler could barely lead them to a TD. Heck, Tyler Thigpen outproduced him, and you want to give Cutler credit for the win? That's laughable.

In as pass happy of an offense as could be, Cutler is Trent Dilfer.

Why not? People want to argue that Orton was better because he had a better win % in Chicago. It seems to be a good measure of a QB according to those arguing against Cutler.. well, it was when he wasn't winning anyway.Cutler has 7 4th quarter comebacks and 11 game winning drives before this season. 3 in 2007, 4 in 2008, 4 in 2009. I think that qualifies as showing he can carry a team. Do I need to list how many he has done in 2010 as well?

As far as the difference between the stat lines of the 2 qbs, is one was asked to win the game and was given 90% of the plays in his hands, and one was asked to get first downs and hand the ball off. As an employer, if I ask one guy to do 30 tasks and he returns with 15 done, another to do 15 tasks and he returns with 10 done, who out produced who?

And yes, i am giving Cutler a lot of credit for that game. The Bears were lights out on 3rd down conversions and moving chains, a lot of that was Cutler.

 

[cvnpoka]

After 10 weeks of playing, we realize the WRs are never going to be a #1 receivers and the O-line is one of the worst in the NFL. As a result? Martz adjusts the play call to more runs.

i think martz could make a few important adjustments further. more 3 step quick outs and slants. knox is very quick and cutler has a cannon so these plays should be fairly low risk. also, that insta pass to olsen they ran last night (peyton does it all the time too) looks very effective.most importantly, it would be nice if martz could design some rollouts for cutler. shanahan had an assortment of such plays with the broncos. it takes advantage of his mobility and ability to throw on the run. in this bears offense it would offset some of cutlers lack of pocket presence and internal clock.

 

[Whoosah]

After 10 weeks of playing, we realize the WRs are never going to be a #1 receivers and the O-line is one of the worst in the NFL. As a result? Martz adjusts the play call to more runs.

i think martz could make a few important adjustments further. more 3 step quick outs and slants. knox is very quick and cutler has a cannon so these plays should be fairly low risk. also, that insta pass to olsen they ran last night (peyton does it all the time too) looks very effective.most importantly, it would be nice if martz could design some rollouts for cutler. shanahan had an assortment of such plays with the broncos. it takes advantage of his mobility and ability to throw on the run. in this bears offense it would offset some of cutlers lack of pocket presence and internal clock.

Well personally I was never a fan of Martz coming here. Going into the season, it was known the O-line was going to be suspect and Martz' system requires the QB to have protection on the line to give him the time to throw the deep balls most of Martz plays have. I mean the fact that Martz system does not allow Cutler to make audibles is a huge deal in my opinion.My point being, Cutler was suppose to be a big play maker with his arm, but due to a bad o-line which translates into a useless system, they have to scale the plays back to more runs and quick slants.

 

[chook]

I agree on your first two sentences... but not on the last.Cutler isn't "winning" anything. He still hasn't shown that he can carry a team down the field and drive them to a win when it counts. In Denver, the defense was blamed for giving up too many points for Cutler to overcome. Now he's in Chicago, and the defense is shutting out teams and you want to give him credit for the wins?Hahahaha, Miami folded, and Cutler could barely lead them to a TD. Heck, Tyler Thigpen outproduced him, and you want to give Cutler credit for the win? That's laughable.In as pass happy of an offense as could be, Cutler is Trent Dilfer.

It sucks that posts from people on the ignore list still come up in replies.Swtiz, the greatest cutler hater of them all, I have to give you credit for your consistency with your spew-laden posting. It never changes. Cutler leads a top 5 offense in Denver but the D can't close out wins = he's a bum. Cutler manages games with a poor supporting cast in Chicago and the D grinds out wins =he's still a bum. Did he kick your dog or something?

 

[switz]

Does Cutler do a lot of things that invite criticism? Absolutely.

But blaming him for all of the Bears problems is just asinine.

And I think it is funny that two years ago, Cutler detractors were saying he couldn't win, and blew his very good numbers in Denver off as meaningless, but now that he is winning and his stats aren't that good, suddenly his mediocre numbers in some games are all that count. It is downright comical.

I agree on your first two sentences... but not on the last.Cutler isn't "winning" anything. He still hasn't shown that he can carry a team down the field and drive them to a win when it counts. In Denver, the defense was blamed for giving up too many points for Cutler to overcome. Now he's in Chicago, and the defense is shutting out teams and you want to give him credit for the wins?

Hahahaha, Miami folded, and Cutler could barely lead them to a TD. Heck, Tyler Thigpen outproduced him, and you want to give Cutler credit for the win? That's laughable.

In as pass happy of an offense as could be, Cutler is Trent Dilfer.

Why not? People want to argue that Orton was better because he had a better win % in Chicago. It seems to be a good measure of a QB according to those arguing against Cutler.. well, it was when he wasn't winning anyway.Cutler has 7 4th quarter comebacks and 11 game winning drives before this season. 3 in 2007, 4 in 2008, 4 in 2009. I think that qualifies as showing he can carry a team. Do I need to list how many he has done in 2010 as well?

As far as the difference between the stat lines of the 2 qbs, is one was asked to win the game and was given 90% of the plays in his hands, and one was asked to get first downs and hand the ball off. As an employer, if I ask one guy to do 30 tasks and he returns with 15 done, another to do 15 tasks and he returns with 10 done, who out produced who?

And yes, i am giving Cutler a lot of credit for that game. The Bears were lights out on 3rd down conversions and moving chains, a lot of that was Cutler.

Yep... Thigpen was asked to win the game. Cutler was asked to hand the ball off and get first downs.Thigpen is a 3rd string QB, and he still outproduced Cutler. The question is, why wasn't Cutler asked to win the game? And isn't your pointing out that he WASN'T asked to win the game, admitting he shouldn't get credit for winning the game?

 

[switz]

I agree on your first two sentences... but not on the last.Cutler isn't "winning" anything. He still hasn't shown that he can carry a team down the field and drive them to a win when it counts. In Denver, the defense was blamed for giving up too many points for Cutler to overcome. Now he's in Chicago, and the defense is shutting out teams and you want to give him credit for the wins?Hahahaha, Miami folded, and Cutler could barely lead them to a TD. Heck, Tyler Thigpen outproduced him, and you want to give Cutler credit for the win? That's laughable.In as pass happy of an offense as could be, Cutler is Trent Dilfer.

It sucks that posts from people on the ignore list still come up in replies.Swtiz, the greatest cutler hater of them all, I have to give you credit for your consistency with your spew-laden posting. It never changes. Cutler leads a top 5 offense in Denver but the D can't close out wins = he's a bum. Cutler manages games with a poor supporting cast in Chicago and the D grinds out wins =he's still a bum. Did he kick your dog or something?

I was merely stating the hypocrisy of blaming the defense when Cutler can't win shootouts, but giving Cutler all the credit when the defense pitches a shut out.

 

[Whoosah]

I agree on your first two sentences... but not on the last.Cutler isn't "winning" anything. He still hasn't shown that he can carry a team down the field and drive them to a win when it counts. In Denver, the defense was blamed for giving up too many points for Cutler to overcome. Now he's in Chicago, and the defense is shutting out teams and you want to give him credit for the wins?Hahahaha, Miami folded, and Cutler could barely lead them to a TD. Heck, Tyler Thigpen outproduced him, and you want to give Cutler credit for the win? That's laughable.In as pass happy of an offense as could be, Cutler is Trent Dilfer.

It sucks that posts from people on the ignore list still come up in replies.Swtiz, the greatest cutler hater of them all, I have to give you credit for your consistency with your spew-laden posting. It never changes. Cutler leads a top 5 offense in Denver but the D can't close out wins = he's a bum. Cutler manages games with a poor supporting cast in Chicago and the D grinds out wins =he's still a bum. Did he kick your dog or something?

I was merely stating the hypocrisy of blaming the defense when Cutler can't win shootouts, but giving Cutler all the credit when the defense pitches a shut out.

I'm a Bears fan and I believe that each game varies on the "credit" of the win. Granted some games can be credited to the defense, but there are games that are won by Cutler.The 2005 Bears, those games were primarily credited towards the sick defense and a good running game and great o-line as well. Don't really think you can give Orton credit to any of those games.Personally, I am just sick of the Bears offense scaling back the offensive scheme that could score multiple TDs to a game managing team, cuz of the horrid o-line.Better O-line = more protection = Cutler time to read the plays = time to throw the deeper ball = more play maker moments.I do not view Cutler as faultless, he has his moments, but the o-line needs to be responsible for this basic offense.

 

[chook]

I agree on your first two sentences... but not on the last.Cutler isn't "winning" anything. He still hasn't shown that he can carry a team down the field and drive them to a win when it counts. In Denver, the defense was blamed for giving up too many points for Cutler to overcome. Now he's in Chicago, and the defense is shutting out teams and you want to give him credit for the wins?Hahahaha, Miami folded, and Cutler could barely lead them to a TD. Heck, Tyler Thigpen outproduced him, and you want to give Cutler credit for the win? That's laughable.In as pass happy of an offense as could be, Cutler is Trent Dilfer.

It sucks that posts from people on the ignore list still come up in replies.Swtiz, the greatest cutler hater of them all, I have to give you credit for your consistency with your spew-laden posting. It never changes. Cutler leads a top 5 offense in Denver but the D can't close out wins = he's a bum. Cutler manages games with a poor supporting cast in Chicago and the D grinds out wins =he's still a bum. Did he kick your dog or something?

I was merely stating the hypocrisy of blaming the defense when Cutler can't win shootouts, but giving Cutler all the credit when the defense pitches a shut out.

Who in their right mind would give cutler all the credit for last nights win? He had a job and did it well, but the D won the game, unlike when the D lost the game for him in those Denver shootouts.It's just funny to sit back and read these guys who always said cutler has great stats but can't win now pay him out for pulling a 'Dilfer' when the situation requires him to do so. He'll never be able to please some of you.

 

[I was in the pool]

An owner outright dropped Cutler in an auction keeper league this past week. Is he worth picking up? If his price was, say, that of the 12th QB for 2011, would it be a good gamble? What rank would you consider him at this point for next year? Would another year in the system - maybe O-line help - improve his chances in 2011?

 

[daveR]

An owner outright dropped Cutler in an auction keeper league this past week. Is he worth picking up? If his price was, say, that of the 12th QB for 2011, would it be a good gamble? What rank would you consider him at this point for next year? Would another year in the system - maybe O-line help - improve his chances in 2011?

NFL-2011 =

 

[Ghost Rider]

Who in their right mind would give cutler all the credit for last nights win? He had a job and did it well, but the D won the game, unlike when the D lost the game for him in those Denver shootouts.It's just funny to sit back and read these guys who always said cutler has great stats but can't win now pay him out for pulling a 'Dilfer' when the situation requires him to do so. He'll never be able to please some of you.

No one gave him all of the credit for last night's win, and if switz says that anyone did, he is a liar.And I am still waiting for switz to explain how a QB who directed his team to zero points outproduced the other QB.

 

[Weiner Dog]

I am not sure Peyton Manning would look very good behind that Bear o-line.

Other than an ancient Jeff Saturday, Manning is (...and has been) playing behind a CHI-clone OL. Manning does consistently not take deep drops, has amazing pocket awareness and can move in the pocket. The OL sack problem in CHI is not entirely the OL's fault.

 

[switz]

Does Cutler do a lot of things that invite criticism? Absolutely.

But blaming him for all of the Bears problems is just asinine.

And I think it is funny that two years ago, Cutler detractors were saying he couldn't win, and blew his very good numbers in Denver off as meaningless, but now that he is winning and his stats aren't that good, suddenly his mediocre numbers in some games are all that count. It is downright comical.

I agree on your first two sentences... but not on the last.Cutler isn't "winning" anything. He still hasn't shown that he can carry a team down the field and drive them to a win when it counts. In Denver, the defense was blamed for giving up too many points for Cutler to overcome. Now he's in Chicago, and the defense is shutting out teams and you want to give him credit for the wins?

Hahahaha, Miami folded, and Cutler could barely lead them to a TD. Heck, Tyler Thigpen outproduced him, and you want to give Cutler credit for the win? That's laughable.

In as pass happy of an offense as could be, Cutler is Trent Dilfer.

I never said you gave him all the credit. But giving him credit at all is absurd. Just because the CHI defense kept MIA out if the endzone doesn't mean Cutler was the more productive QB. They each threw 0 TDs, 1 int, and Thigpen was responsible for more yards. Thigpen was more productive. Chicago won despite Cutler, not because of Cutler.

Again, anyone trying to give him credit for that win, while blaming the losses entirely on the defense in Denver is a hypocrite. Chicago's defense is the reason Chicago won this week, period. Had Thigpen and Cutler switched teams, the result would have been the same.

 

[djmich]

Does Cutler do a lot of things that invite criticism? Absolutely.

But blaming him for all of the Bears problems is just asinine.

And I think it is funny that two years ago, Cutler detractors were saying he couldn't win, and blew his very good numbers in Denver off as meaningless, but now that he is winning and his stats aren't that good, suddenly his mediocre numbers in some games are all that count. It is downright comical.

I agree on your first two sentences... but not on the last.Cutler isn't "winning" anything. He still hasn't shown that he can carry a team down the field and drive them to a win when it counts. In Denver, the defense was blamed for giving up too many points for Cutler to overcome. Now he's in Chicago, and the defense is shutting out teams and you want to give him credit for the wins?

Hahahaha, Miami folded, and Cutler could barely lead them to a TD. Heck, Tyler Thigpen outproduced him, and you want to give Cutler credit for the win? That's laughable.

In as pass happy of an offense as could be, Cutler is Trent Dilfer.

I never said you gave him all the credit. But giving him credit at all is absurd. Just because the CHI defense kept MIA out if the endzone doesn't mean Cutler was the more productive QB. They each threw 0 TDs, 1 int, and Thigpen was responsible for more yards. Thigpen was more productive. Chicago won despite Cutler, not because of Cutler.

Again, anyone trying to give him credit for that win, while blaming the losses entirely on the defense in Denver is a hypocrite. Chicago's defense is the reason Chicago won this week, period. Had Thigpen and Cutler switched teams, the result would have been the same.

He was 8 for 14 in converting 3rd down passes, and on one of those missed conversions he ran for 8 yards to put them in range for a converted field goal. He was 6 for 8 in the first half when the game was closest.He kept the team moving the ball, which put pressure on Miami defense and offense. To say he deserves no credit, and assume that Chicago's defense would have held Miami pointless all night if Chicago was not moving the ball is absurd.

 

[chook]

Does Cutler do a lot of things that invite criticism? Absolutely.

But blaming him for all of the Bears problems is just asinine.

And I think it is funny that two years ago, Cutler detractors were saying he couldn't win, and blew his very good numbers in Denver off as meaningless, but now that he is winning and his stats aren't that good, suddenly his mediocre numbers in some games are all that count. It is downright comical.

I agree on your first two sentences... but not on the last.Cutler isn't "winning" anything. He still hasn't shown that he can carry a team down the field and drive them to a win when it counts. In Denver, the defense was blamed for giving up too many points for Cutler to overcome. Now he's in Chicago, and the defense is shutting out teams and you want to give him credit for the wins?

Hahahaha, Miami folded, and Cutler could barely lead them to a TD. Heck, Tyler Thigpen outproduced him, and you want to give Cutler credit for the win? That's laughable.

In as pass happy of an offense as could be, Cutler is Trent Dilfer.

I never said you gave him all the credit. But giving him credit at all is absurd. Just because the CHI defense kept MIA out if the endzone doesn't mean Cutler was the more productive QB. They each threw 0 TDs, 1 int, and Thigpen was responsible for more yards. Thigpen was more productive. Chicago won despite Cutler, not because of Cutler.

Again, anyone trying to give him credit for that win, while blaming the losses entirely on the defense in Denver is a hypocrite. Chicago's defense is the reason Chicago won this week, period. Had Thigpen and Cutler switched teams, the result would have been the same.

He was 8 for 14 in converting 3rd down passes, and on one of those missed conversions he ran for 8 yards to put them in range for a converted field goal. He was 6 for 8 in the first half when the game was closest.He kept the team moving the ball, which put pressure on Miami defense and offense. To say he deserves no credit, and assume that Chicago's defense would have held Miami pointless all night if Chicago was not moving the ball is absurd.

Switz is just a troll on a fishing trip. Trying to reason with him is absurd!

 

[switz]

He was 8 for 14 in converting 3rd down passes, and on one of those missed conversions he ran for 8 yards to put them in range for a converted field goal. He was 6 for 8 in the first half when the game was closest.He kept the team moving the ball, which put pressure on Miami defense and offense. To say he deserves no credit, and assume that Chicago's defense would have held Miami pointless all night if Chicago was not moving the ball is absurd.

Miami folded pretty early in the game. There was no pressure on Miami's defense LOL. Do you honestly think ANY other QB in the league couldn't have done that?I don't think Cutler sucks, like some do. I just think he's extremely overrated by his supporters on thus board. And that someone would take the game Thursday night to say Cutler was good is just ridiculous.

 

[candymanvandyfan]

You need to take a longer view if you want to evaluate Cutler on something more than just the last game, one in which he played well enough for the Bears, but probably not well enough for too many fantasy teams out there.

Here's a longer view:

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This is the list of everybody who has thrown for 14750 yards age 27 or younger sorted by yards per game started. Of course, Jay still has some season to go, J'Marcus Webb permitting.

He could get to 16000 career passing yards and 100 career passing touchdowns by year end. If he plays very well these last 6 games, the Bears could find themselves in the playoffs. We'll see.

 

[TitusIII]

Cutler is learning his third offense in three years, he deserves a break for this season ESPECIALLY given what offense he is learning, and yes it takes at least a year to learn a new offense. I'm giving him a pass till 2011, as he deserves it. If he doesn't put up pro-bowl numbers next season(I think he will), then be worried, but him struggling in year 1 of MikeMartz is no surprise, at least it shouldn't be to any of you that follow the game closely...

For crying out loud, his STARTING WR's still don't run the correct routes/line up in the right places at times, although this has improved since week 1. It's going to take some time for things to gel in Chicago, assuming they keep Martz for a few years, more than 10 games..come on now...