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JD Drew..I can`t figure it out. (1 Viewer)
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Don't know, but he is one of the most overpaid players in baseball. But hey, when you are given a payroll that is second only to the Yankees, you can swing and miss on occasion when overpaying would-be stars.
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
His VORP, SNUGH,TUKE and BRAH numbers compare to Mantle. That's why Theo bid against himself for him.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
wilked
Footballguy
You don't think he stayed healthy this year?
Balco
Footballguy
For him? Yes (140 games). His OPS was .796. He was not very good. The worst part about him is how he is going to look in the last couple years of his contract. I don't even want to think about it.
wilked
Footballguy
40 other OFs started more games then him. Given that there are 29 teams, I would say that is pretty good, no? Any player starting 140+ games in a year had a healthy season overall...
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
Good stuff and you are on the mark. Im not going to argue it.Considering the money spent, one of the worst contracts in the history of the team. And you are absolutely correct in that Theo was bidding against himself. Although Dice K may have been involved in part of that deal too and the jury is still out on him. FWIW, I do think Dice K will be better next year.Darth Cheney said:
the moops
Footballguy
Ahh, the old no heart argument.Drew is a fantastic baseball player who had a terrible year. It happens. Why can't it just be left at that?
redman
Footballguy
I watched him play almost every game for two years with the Dodgers. The Shinx shows more passion on a daily basis than he does. I'd bet that Drew leads the league in home runs in games where one team is leading by four runs. His talent is immense but I see no particular drive in him to win. He doesn't even look like he's having fun.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
You can also find there that he had an off the charts 105 OPS + this year, a 104 OPS + with RISP career, and is a .239 hitter in the playoffs with some 135 ABs.I also see Drew was a below average fielder this year in both percentage and range. You're right, Baseball Reference is really good stuff.
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
He is not a fantastic baseball player. You are insane.the moops said:
Capella
Footballguy
Moops taking over Icon's Red Sox MegaHomer of the Year award. Congrats!
the moops
Footballguy
Nothing to do with being a Sox fan.Guy had a terrible year. Does nothing to diminish the fact that he has a lifetime OBP of nearly 400, plays gold-glove defense, and slugs over 500.
A good baseball player is a good baseball player....doesn't matter who he plays for. And sometimes those players have bad years.He is trending downward, no doubt. Not a good sign. But to say he is not a very good player is wrong.Drew s##. I watched him play for the Cardinals for years, and he didn't do anything but get hurt. He had 1 good year with Atlanta, and he is still getting paid off of that. You should read "3 Nights in August" and find out what LaRussa thinks of him.Nothing to do with being a Sox fan.Guy had a terrible year. Does nothing to diminish the fact that he has a lifetime OBP of nearly 400, plays gold-glove defense, and slugs over 500.
the moops
Footballguy
Some of y'all sure do get emotional about this guy. DangDrew s##. I watched him play for the Cardinals for years, and he didn't do anything but get hurt. He had 1 good year with Atlanta, and he is still getting paid off of that. You should read "3 Nights in August" and find out what LaRussa thinks of him.Nothing to do with being a Sox fan.Guy had a terrible year. Does nothing to diminish the fact that he has a lifetime OBP of nearly 400, plays gold-glove defense, and slugs over 500.
shadyridr
Footballguy
When the #### has Drew ever been a good baseball player? One good year?Nothing to do with being a Sox fan.Guy had a terrible year. Does nothing to diminish the fact that he has a lifetime OBP of nearly 400, plays gold-glove defense, and slugs over 500.A good baseball player is a good baseball player....doesn't matter who he plays for. And sometimes those players have bad years.He is trending downward, no doubt. Not a good sign. But to say he is not a very good player is wrong.
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
I've been saying since they signed him. J.D. Drew is a dog; an underachiever and a baby. They overpaid for him. Give me a guy who workers harder with less talent than Drew anyday of the week. Would those defending the Drew signing resign him again for that price? I don't think so.
Doctor Detroit
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2004 in Atlanta was by far his best year. He had a great OPS, hit 31 homers, was 4th in the NL in runs, and played 145 games. All the other years where his numbers were good he played less than 110 games.When the #### has Drew ever been a good baseball player? One good year?Nothing to do with being a Sox fan.Guy had a terrible year. Does nothing to diminish the fact that he has a lifetime OBP of nearly 400, plays gold-glove defense, and slugs over 500.A good baseball player is a good baseball player....doesn't matter who he plays for. And sometimes those players have bad years.He is trending downward, no doubt. Not a good sign. But to say he is not a very good player is wrong.
wilked
Footballguy
Doctor Detroit is correct here...Drew has been a great baseball player hampered by injuries, some of them quite fluky (wrist broken by a pitch...)
He had a bad year, not much doubt to that. I am not sure why people have written off any chance that it could be just that though, a bad year
Just quickly eyebally his stats, he had OPS of:
900, 1000, 830, 900
before 2007
This year he had an OPS of 800, definitely poor (yet still 9th in OBP against all AL outfielders). He obviously has no issues with getting on base, and is one of the best in the league at it. His season was one of reduced power, a clear difference from any other year in his career. Will he regain it? We will see. Drew had soem serious offfield distractions this year, his son has been fighting death all year. I am going to give him another season before I pass final judgement.
He had a bad year, not much doubt to that. I am not sure why people have written off any chance that it could be just that though, a bad year
Just quickly eyebally his stats, he had OPS of:
900, 1000, 830, 900
before 2007
This year he had an OPS of 800, definitely poor (yet still 9th in OBP against all AL outfielders). He obviously has no issues with getting on base, and is one of the best in the league at it. His season was one of reduced power, a clear difference from any other year in his career. Will he regain it? We will see. Drew had soem serious offfield distractions this year, his son has been fighting death all year. I am going to give him another season before I pass final judgement.
Doctor Detroit
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wilked
Footballguy
Ya, I think he is ok now. His son was born about a year and a half ago, and when is son broke his collarbone they found out he had a rare skeletal disease, and had to have surgery. I haven't heard much lately and think he has a good outlookWow that sucks. Is his kid gonna be ok?
DropKick
Footballguy
As has been mentioned, the problems with his son has to affect your game.
Drew stayed healthy, which was a question mark. Someone posted 140 games? Not sure of the number, I know he missed a series or two for his son. Other than that, Francona spelled him on occasion which is something he does to keep the bench players fresh.
Overall, I have no idea why they paid that kind of $ for a guy with his track record. Yes, its a mystery what they saw... maybe he had good numbers at Fenway. He didn't go to left much at all and hardly ever took advantage of the monster. Certainly, they were bidding against themselves. Funny thing is they had reasonable talent at the AAA level; Ellsbury, Brandon Moss and Murphy (who was traded to the Rangers).
Drew stayed healthy, which was a question mark. Someone posted 140 games? Not sure of the number, I know he missed a series or two for his son. Other than that, Francona spelled him on occasion which is something he does to keep the bench players fresh.
Overall, I have no idea why they paid that kind of $ for a guy with his track record. Yes, its a mystery what they saw... maybe he had good numbers at Fenway. He didn't go to left much at all and hardly ever took advantage of the monster. Certainly, they were bidding against themselves. Funny thing is they had reasonable talent at the AAA level; Ellsbury, Brandon Moss and Murphy (who was traded to the Rangers).
the moops
Footballguy
I dont think anyone has argued that the amount of money they spent on him was wise.Good players can be overpaid just as bad ones can.
redman
Footballguy
I wonder which parent he inherited that from.Ya, I think he is ok now. His son was born about a year and a half ago, and when is son broke his collarbone they found out he had a rare skeletal disease, and had to have surgery. I haven't heard much lately and think he has a good outlookWow that sucks. Is his kid gonna be ok?
Mister Martie
Footballguy
Drew is a very good player that had a bad year. The Moops has basically been right on in this thread.
Though I have to admit, making up fake stat acronyms almost had me convinced. That was very clever.
Though I have to admit, making up fake stat acronyms almost had me convinced. That was very clever.
the moops
Footballguy
Drew just earned a lot more fans...
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
If the Red Sox make it to the World Series, Drew earned every dollar of his paycheck for the Red Sox with that one swing in the first. What a devistating blow that was.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Not true..Drew is a average player who had a big hit. nothing more..nothing less.Look at Drew career stats..that is what he is.
the moops
Footballguy
You sure have an inflated view of the average ballplayer
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
JD Drew for his career is a 282 hitter, who averages 17 HRs and 57 RBI per year. To me those are not 14 million a year numbers. Actually what he did in Boston this season is pretty close to his career average. Drew has had only one 100 RBI season out of 10 in the bigs.14 mill numbers are what Maggs Ordonez puts up. 25-30 HRs 100-125 RBIs year in and year out.By no means am I saying Drew is not a good ball player, I am just suprised that he got that kind of money considering that nobody but the RedSox were after him. More power to him.
wilked
Footballguy
Average is a very flawed statistic, try using on base percentage. Drew has an excellent eye and draws a ton of walksYour HR/RBI season averages are also flawed in that you are averaging partial seasons where Drew got hurtDrew is an excellent hitter whose career has been marred by injuries. No, he is not worth the money - anyone can see that, but he still adds a lot to a team.As I said earlier, the main question is if his power will return. If it doesn't, then next year will likely be his last as a regular on the Sox, and he will be moved into a platoon. Then again, if it does return and he returns his slugging numbers to earlier in his career, he will be a mainstay for the next few yearsJD Drew for his career is a 282 hitter, who averages 17 HRs and 57 RBI per year. To me those are not 14 million a year numbers. Actually what he did in Boston this season is pretty close to his career average. Drew has had only one 100 RBI season out of 10 in the bigs.14 mill numbers are what Maggs Ordonez puts up. 25-30 HRs 100-125 RBIs year in and year out.By no means am I saying Drew is not a good ball player, I am just suprised that he got that kind of money considering that nobody but the RedSox were after him. More power to him.
tomarken
Footballguy
JD Drew was obviously brought in for his experience in strings of back-to-back-to-back-to-back HR's, a skill he demonstrated in LA in 2006, and that valuable experience paid dividends for the Sox in April 2007. What other hitter can not only hit a home run, but inspire the hitter before him and the two hitters after him in the order to also hit home runs, with such consistency? Worth every penny.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
What??JD Drew was obviously brought in for his experience in strings of back-to-back-to-back-to-back HR's, a skill he demonstrated in LA in 2006, and that valuable experience paid dividends for the Sox in April 2007. What other hitter can not only hit a home run, but inspire the hitter before him and the two hitters after him in the order to also hit home runs, with such consistency? Worth every penny.
tomarken
Footballguy
September 18, 2006:Da Guru said:What??tomarken said:JD Drew was obviously brought in for his experience in strings of back-to-back-to-back-to-back HR's, a skill he demonstrated in LA in 2006, and that valuable experience paid dividends for the Sox in April 2007. What other hitter can not only hit a home run, but inspire the hitter before him and the two hitters after him in the order to also hit home runs, with such consistency? Worth every penny.
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Bottom of the 9th, Dodgers Batting, Behind 5-9, Jon Adkins facing 4-5-6 Jon Adkins replaces Jack Cust pitching and batting 9th R --- 2 J Kent Home Run (Fly Ball to CF) R --- 4 J Drew Home Run (Fly Ball to RF) Trevor Hoffman replaces Jon Adkins pitching and batting 9th R --- 1 R Martin Home Run (Fly Ball to LF) R --- 1 M Anderson Home Run (Fly Ball to RF) O --- 1 J Lugo Flyball: CF Andre Ethier pinch hits for Takashi Saito batting 9th O --- 7 A Ethier Popfly: SS O --- 1 R Furcal Flyball: RF 4 runs, 4 hits, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Padres 9, Dodgers 9.
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Bottom of the 3rd, Red Sox Batting, Behind 0-3, Chase Wright facing 2-3-4 O --- 4 K Youkilis Flyball: RF O --- 2 D Ortiz Flyball: LF R --- 4 M Ramirez Home Run (Fly Ball to LF) R --- 4 J Drew Home Run (Fly Ball to RF) R --- 3 M Lowell Home Run (Fly Ball to LF) R --- 2 J Varitek Home Run (Fly Ball to LF) O --- 4 W Pena Strikeout Swinging 4 runs, 4 hits, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Yankees 3, Red Sox 4.Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
So while Drew is taking a dump in the clubhouse, the two guys behind him hit HRs....September 18, 2006:What??JD Drew was obviously brought in for his experience in strings of back-to-back-to-back-to-back HR's, a skill he demonstrated in LA in 2006, and that valuable experience paid dividends for the Sox in April 2007. What other hitter can not only hit a home run, but inspire the hitter before him and the two hitters after him in the order to also hit home runs, with such consistency? Worth every penny.
April 22, 2007:Code:Bottom of the 9th, Dodgers Batting, Behind 5-9, Jon Adkins facing 4-5-6 Jon Adkins replaces Jack Cust pitching and batting 9th R --- 2 J Kent Home Run (Fly Ball to CF) R --- 4 J Drew Home Run (Fly Ball to RF) Trevor Hoffman replaces Jon Adkins pitching and batting 9th R --- 1 R Martin Home Run (Fly Ball to LF) R --- 1 M Anderson Home Run (Fly Ball to RF) O --- 1 J Lugo Flyball: CF Andre Ethier pinch hits for Takashi Saito batting 9th O --- 7 A Ethier Popfly: SS O --- 1 R Furcal Flyball: RF 4 runs, 4 hits, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Padres 9, Dodgers 9.
Clearly he is a god among men.Code:Bottom of the 3rd, Red Sox Batting, Behind 0-3, Chase Wright facing 2-3-4 O --- 4 K Youkilis Flyball: RF O --- 2 D Ortiz Flyball: LF R --- 4 M Ramirez Home Run (Fly Ball to LF) R --- 4 J Drew Home Run (Fly Ball to RF) R --- 3 M Lowell Home Run (Fly Ball to LF) R --- 2 J Varitek Home Run (Fly Ball to LF) O --- 4 W Pena Strikeout Swinging 4 runs, 4 hits, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Yankees 3, Red Sox 4.
tomarken
Footballguy
It's so much more nuanced than that. Theo Epstein knows what I'm talking about.
the moops
Footballguy
You need to get beyond the BA/HR/RBI stats. Yes, hitting HRs and knocking guys in is a good thing. So isn't getting on base and playing excellent defense.Drew is overpaid. No need to keep up that argument. But he is a very good ballplayer.JD Drew for his career is a 282 hitter, who averages 17 HRs and 57 RBI per year. To me those are not 14 million a year numbers. Actually what he did in Boston this season is pretty close to his career average. Drew has had only one 100 RBI season out of 10 in the bigs.14 mill numbers are what Maggs Ordonez puts up. 25-30 HRs 100-125 RBIs year in and year out.
By no means am I saying Drew is not a good ball player, I am just suprised that he got that kind of money considering that nobody but the RedSox were after him. More power to him.
Oh, Magglio and Drew have nearly identical OPS+ numbers for their career, 129 to 128.
Doctor Detroit
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Oh, Magglio and Drew have nearly identical OPS+ numbers for their career, 129 to 128.
Mags has 1700 more at bats or about 6 full JD Drew seasons. Call me back when Drew gets to 5300 at bats.
wilked
Footballguy
No one is arguing that Drew has not had health issues. The question is if he will have those same issues in the future. I think he will be fine...Oh, Magglio and Drew have nearly identical OPS+ numbers for their career, 129 to 128.
Doctor Detroit
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Wilked>HiDoes it really even matter? Think about this:No one is arguing that Drew has not had health issues. The question is if he will have those same issues in the future. I think he will be fine...Oh, Magglio and Drew have nearly identical OPS+ numbers for their career, 129 to 128.
If you are a Sabermetric fan or not HRs and RBIs are important statistics. This is why people don't like Red Sox fans. JD Drew is not a great player, he's not even close. Also Moops>I said this before, Drew was below average in the field this year. Use your baseball reference dot com link you tried to make a funny with a few days ago.
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